Ace Ventura 3 with Sonic Writers for Amazon in development

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-22-2021, 01:44 PM

https://collider.com/ace-venture-3-s...gehog-writers/

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"We’re pretty excited about our franchise developments with 'Exorcist' and the 'Ace Ventura' franchise - its noticeable from the 3 million fans chatting on the official Facebook page for Ace Ventura that audiences are clamouring for a third installment… During COVID, audiences have been in love and are thrilled to have beloved characters brought back with new stories. Ace Ventura will see a new day at Amazon as a major motion picture/theatrical with the Sonic the Hedgehog writers.

*sdp* · 03-22-2021, 02:05 PM

We already have an Ace Ventura Trilogy with the prequel, this will be the fourth. I wonder if this will be better received than the sequel to dumb and dumber, which featured pretty much the same humor from the "classic" but wasn't loved. Also in the PC era many jokes will be too sanitized, they wanted to cancel the original movie not too long ago for being transphobic.

*Autbot_Benz* · 03-22-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

We already have an Ace Ventura Trilogy with the prequel, this will be the fourth. I wonder if this will be better received than the sequel to dumb and dumber, which featured pretty much the same humor from the "classic" but wasn't loved. Also in the PC era many jokes will be too sanitized, they wanted to cancel the original movie not too long ago for being transphobic.

nobody counts that stupid Ace Jr movie as Canon. None of the carrey-less sequels are canon in certain fans eyes. This one will be the true Ace Ventura 3 if Carrey returns to play him

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 02:16 PM

The first Ace Ventura is one of the few straight-up comedy movies I sincerely enjoyed and still find funny. As well as one of the few Jim Carrey movies I can actually tolerate. "Man on the Moon" remains his best work, but Ace 1 is tolerable. I still think it holds up.

The second Ace Ventura made me want to puke.

And no, nobody counts that stupid straight-to-video one. S'wrong wit'chu?

I don't know. Can't see this going well, but We'll See.

~~Vegita-San~~ · 03-22-2021, 02:20 PM

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they wanted to cancel the original movie not too long ago for being transphobic.

despite the fact that if one of the alphabet people had met someone who wasn't a trans, and got fooled, they might have the exact same natural reaction

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*sdp* · 03-22-2021, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

nobody counts that stupid Ace Jr movie as Canon. None of the carrey-less sequels are canon in certain fans eyes. This one will be the true Ace Ventura 3 if Carrey returns to play him

Sorry it's canon, you can't decanize the movies you don't like, it's a comedy about a person who thinks he can talk to animals I'm not sure why the prequel wouldn't be valid. They're comedies not a sci-fi opera

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 02:40 PM

- It is not a prequel, it's about his stupid kid with stupid "Character Played By Courtney Cox Who Is Now NOT Courtney Cox For Budget Reasons." Do your research.

- The Home Alone movies all come in a box set, too. That's called "marketing". If you ask any sane person if Home Alone 4 is actually in-canon with Home Alone 1 and 2, they'd shoot you in the face for asking such a ridiculous question.

- Same with the Terminator movies. They come in a box set and NONE of those movies are even canon within their own universe. But they sell them in a package because it's just easier that way.

- Superman Returns is sold in box sets with all four Chris Reeve Superman movies, even though Superman Returns is only canon with Superman 1 and Superman II (specifically, the Donner Cut of Superman II).

- My point is that just because movies are sold in the same box for "completionists" does not mean they are "canon".

- It is not canon because it is a Very Bad Movie. And that should be Good Enough.

*ZariusTwo* · 03-22-2021, 02:56 PM

Also Robocop. Every attempt at a continuation tries to retcon 2 and 3, including the one they're trying to develop right now.

*sdp* · 03-22-2021, 03:01 PM

a bad movie doesn't mean its not canon unless retconned, remakes are a different beast. Superman Returns is only a loose sequel to the reeve's movies. Terminator's time travel timelines means pretty much anything is canon in that franchise in its own timeline.

#stillcanon #deadbeatdad #aceventura4 #thenewnew

*Andrew NDB* · 03-22-2021, 03:02 PM

What continuations try to retcon 2 and 3? The TV show worked fine with 2 and 3, as did Prime Directives (though I don't think Prime Directives works with the TV show, or vice versa). And it's not clear what -- if anything -- Robocop Returns will try to retcon.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Superman Returns is only a loose sequel to the reeve's movies.

The CGI Ghost of Marlon Brando disagrees with you.

*frank_one* · 03-22-2021, 03:35 PM

Everything is in canon until a new chapter of a franchise comes out and retcons it, that's the basic rule.

~~Sumac~~ · 03-22-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What continuations try to retcon 2 and 3? The TV show worked fine with 2 and 3, as did Prime Directives (though I don't think Prime Directives works with the TV show, or vice versa). And it's not clear what -- if anything -- Robocop Returns will try to retcon.

Prime Directives is in the murky area where it doesn't specifically contradict R2 and R3 (though there are some inconsistences), but doesn't really acknowledge anything that had happened in them.

So its not like Sarah Connor Chronicles, which explicitly states that T3 is non-canon.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 09:00 PM

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Everything is in canon until a new chapter of a franchise comes out and retcons it, that's the basic rule.

If you're gonna sit here and tell me with a straight face that "The Never-Ending Story III" is canon with I and II, we're gonna be throwin' hands.

I love you, but such insolence simply cannot stand.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-22-2021, 09:49 PM

Dumb & Dumberer definitely stood until Dumb & Dumber To retconned it (one of their pairs of parents was made into an Asian family in the latter). Though it's fairly OK.

Son of the Mask is still canon until a Mask 3 tells us it's not. Same story with the Ace Ventura Kid Detective.

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So its not like Sarah Connor Chronicles, which explicitly states that T3 is non-canon.

Just by virtue of Sarah not being dead from cancer, right? Though I think I remember by the end of season 2 (the final season) she DID end up having cancer. So many they were planning to loop around with... something.

*sdp* · 03-22-2021, 10:12 PM

Sequel canon get especially hilarious when you add direct to video movies, you enter a rabbit hole. The DTV Addams Family Reunion tries to be in continuity being a sequel to the previous two live action movies w ith a few light references but it just doesn't fit well at all. The same company made the new addams family live action show just a year or two later and the dtv feels more in line with that continuity but even then it really doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Leo656

The CGI Ghost of Marlon Brando disagrees with you.

Superman Returns clearly takes place in more modern times than the original movies movies. It was marketed as a "loose sequel" to those two films but clearly it can't be the same canon it wouldn't make sense, just events very similar to those two films happened in this continuity as well. If we had gotten sequels to Superman Returns I'm sure it would've retconned the original two movies eventually.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Dumb & Dumberer definitely stood until Dumb & Dumber To retconned it (one of their parents was made into an Asian family in the latter). Though it's fairly OK.

Son of the Mask is still canon until a Mask 3 tells us it's not. Same story with the Ace Ventura Kid Detective.

Both movies have Ben Stein playing the same character and basically the only callback to the original. Son of the Mask is like a cartoon reboot of the original. Weird movie that would likely have benefitted from not being linked to the original.

*frank_one* · 03-22-2021, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

If you're gonna sit here and tell me with a straight face that "The Never-Ending Story III" is canon with I and II, we're gonna be throwin' hands.

I love you, but such insolence simply cannot stand.

The one with Jack Black? Good point. From what I understand the issue is they decided to not follow the original book unlike the first two movies. A bit ironic considering the whole series revolves around a guy reading THAT book.

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Son of the Mask is still canon until a Mask 3 tells us it's not

And that would be great if it actually happened! Another Mask movie is probably the only Carrey's movie sequel I would be interested in. With Cameron Diaz, of course, if she's not too busy producing wine.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-22-2021, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Superman Returns clearly takes place in more modern times than the original movies movies. It was marketed as a "loose sequel" to those two films but clearly it can't be the same canon it wouldn't make sense, just events very similar to those two films happened in this continuity as well. If we had gotten sequels to Superman Returns I'm sure it would've retconned the original two movies eventually.

That's how these kind of sequels work. Sequels in a sliding scale "present day." TMNT (2007) is the same thing. No, just because it's been 20 years since the last movie that doesn't mean 20 years have passed in the story. No, this doesn't also mean it's set in 1990.

~~Leo656~~ · 03-22-2021, 11:49 PM

Jaws 4 also invalidates some of the events of Jaws 3D, too. But they sell those movies together in box sets. Just sayin'. Jaws 4 overrides Jaws 3D in being a sequel to Jaws and Jaws 2. Even though 3D is the better movie and most people just prefer to pretend Jaws 4 never even happened.

I'm also not inclined to accept that "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" is canon with the other Universal films, just because they come in a case together.

These things are more complicated than some people realize.

*Andrew NDB* · 03-23-2021, 12:03 AM

Yeah. It's a combination of sequels invalidating previous sequels... but sometimes also creating pathways of "Choose Your Own Adventure."

Examples:

Halloween (and what a horrible, horrible movie series rendered unnecessarily toxic by weird continuity)

a) You can watch H1, H2, H4, H5, and H6.

b) You can watch H1, H2, H20, and H8

c) You can watch H1 and H30 (and the upcoming two sequels as well)

d) You can watch the H1 and H2 remakes.

TMNT

a) You can watch TMNT 1, TMNT 2, TMNT 3, and TMNT 2007.

b) You can watch TMNT 1, TMNT 2, TMNT 3, and NT:TNM.

c) You can watch TMNT 2014 and TMNT: OotS. And then burn them in a fire.

Terminator

a) You can watch T1, T2, T3, T4

b) You can watch T1, T2, T5

c) You can watch T1, T2, T6

d) (if you squint and apply fan theories) You can watch T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6... but you won't be happy and it won't be coherent. But it's time travel and intersecting loops so...

Highlander

a) You can watch H1 and H2

b) You can watch H1 and H3

c) You can watch H1 (as long as you pretend they're not the last Immortals and no Prize is won), H4, and the TV series, and H5

d) You can watch H1, H3 (as long as both in H1 and H3 you pretend they're not the last Immortals and no Prize is won), H4, the TV series, and H5.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

I'm not even sure. I've only seen the TC1 and TC2 remakes from the 2000s. But I know there's been a slew of sequels that ignore a bunch of old sequels and pretend to be "the one true sequel" to the original movie, including the one coming up.

Maybe somebody more versed in the Texas Chainsaw movies can chime in.

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sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	We already have an Ace Ventura Trilogy with the prequel, this will be the fourth. I wonder if this will be better received than the sequel to dumb and dumber, which featured pretty much the same humor from the "classic" but wasn't loved. Also in the PC era many jokes will be too sanitized, they wanted to cancel the original movie not too long ago for being transphobic. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

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ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,494	Also Robocop. Every attempt at a continuation tries to retcon 2 and 3, including the one they're trying to develop right now. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

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sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	a bad movie doesn't mean its not canon unless retconned, remakes are a different beast. Superman Returns is only a loose sequel to the reeve's movies. Terminator's time travel timelines means pretty much anything is canon in that franchise in its own timeline. #stillcanon #deadbeatdad #aceventura4 #thenewnew __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

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Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	What continuations try to retcon 2 and 3? The TV show worked fine with 2 and 3, as did Prime Directives (though I don't think Prime Directives works with the TV show, or vice versa). And it's not clear what -- if anything -- Robocop Returns will try to retcon. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-23-2021, 12:03 AM	#20
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	Yeah. It's a combination of sequels invalidating previous sequels... but sometimes also creating pathways of "Choose Your Own Adventure." Examples: Halloween (and what a horrible, horrible movie series rendered unnecessarily toxic by weird continuity) a) You can watch H1, H2, H4, H5, and H6. b) You can watch H1, H2, H20, and H8 c) You can watch H1 and H30 (and the upcoming two sequels as well) d) You can watch the H1 and H2 remakes. TMNT a) You can watch TMNT 1, TMNT 2, TMNT 3, and TMNT 2007. b) You can watch TMNT 1, TMNT 2, TMNT 3, and NT:TNM. c) You can watch TMNT 2014 and TMNT: OotS. And then burn them in a fire. Terminator a) You can watch T1, T2, T3, T4 b) You can watch T1, T2, T5 c) You can watch T1, T2, T6 d) (if you squint and apply fan theories) You can watch T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6... but you won't be happy and it won't be coherent. But it's time travel and intersecting loops so... Highlander a) You can watch H1 and H2 b) You can watch H1 and H3 c) You can watch H1 (as long as you pretend they're not the last Immortals and no Prize is won), H4, and the TV series, and H5 d) You can watch H1, H3 (as long as both in H1 and H3 you pretend they're not the last Immortals and no Prize is won), H4, the TV series, and H5. Texas Chainsaw Massacre I'm not even sure. I've only seen the TC1 and TC2 remakes from the 2000s. But I know there's been a slew of sequels that ignore a bunch of old sequels and pretend to be "the one true sequel" to the original movie, including the one coming up. Maybe somebody more versed in the Texas Chainsaw movies can chime in. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

03-22-2021, 02:16 PM	#4
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	The first Ace Ventura is one of the few straight-up comedy movies I sincerely enjoyed and still find funny. As well as one of the few Jim Carrey movies I can actually tolerate. "Man on the Moon" remains his best work, but Ace 1 is tolerable. I still think it holds up. The second Ace Ventura made me want to puke. And no, nobody counts that stupid straight-to-video one. S'wrong wit'chu? I don't know. Can't see this going well, but We'll See.

03-22-2021, 02:40 PM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	- It is not a prequel, it's about his stupid kid with stupid "Character Played By Courtney Cox Who Is Now NOT Courtney Cox For Budget Reasons." Do your research. - The Home Alone movies all come in a box set, too. That's called "marketing". If you ask any sane person if Home Alone 4 is actually in-canon with Home Alone 1 and 2, they'd shoot you in the face for asking such a ridiculous question. - Same with the Terminator movies. They come in a box set and NONE of those movies are even canon within their own universe. But they sell them in a package because it's just easier that way. - Superman Returns is sold in box sets with all four Chris Reeve Superman movies, even though Superman Returns is only canon with Superman 1 and Superman II (specifically, the Donner Cut of Superman II). - My point is that just because movies are sold in the same box for "completionists" does not mean they are "canon". - It is not canon because it is a Very Bad Movie. And that should be Good Enough.

03-22-2021, 03:35 PM	#12
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 2,253	Everything is in canon until a new chapter of a franchise comes out and retcons it, that's the basic rule.

03-22-2021, 11:49 PM	#19
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Jaws 4 also invalidates some of the events of Jaws 3D, too. But they sell those movies together in box sets. Just sayin'. Jaws 4 overrides Jaws 3D in being a sequel to Jaws and Jaws 2. Even though 3D is the better movie and most people just prefer to pretend Jaws 4 never even happened. I'm also not inclined to accept that "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein" is canon with the other Universal films, just because they come in a case together. These things are more complicated than some people realize.