Godzilla vs. Kong - Page 7

*Allio* · 04-05-2021, 10:14 PM

Isn’t in the movies that the believe theory is that all the monsters came from Hollow Earth (as mentioned in Skull Island), I mean Kong’s species does come from Hollow Earth and since he and his parents are above ground it is more than likely he (and his kind) have evolved to a point that they could get through that gravity-inversions, hell even the Skull Crawlers had to evolve from that point to get through the inversion in Skull Island.

My only complaint is that “why not use the passage on Skull Island?” though I guess the storm that ran through the island destroy the entrance.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-05-2021, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Allio

Isn’t in the movies that the believe theory is that all the monsters came from Hollow Earth (as mentioned in Skull Island), I mean Kong’s species does come from Hollow Earth and since he and his parents are above ground it is more than likely he (and his kind) have evolved to a point that they could get through that gravity-inversions, hell even the Skull Crawlers had to evolve from that point to get through the inversion in Skull Island.

I don't see what any of this has to do with horribly written characters and ghastly scripting.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 10:23 PM

I mean, sure, but Kong is still just a giant gorilla. That's what sort of stretches my suspension of disbelief a little bit.

I can believe more that Godzilla and other species could manage it, maybe, whether that be from their "armored" skin or "nuclear" insides or whatever other nonsense.

Like, I can sort of accept the premise itself on faith, even though in Real Life "Hollow Earth" is absolute junk science. I'm like "Whatever, within the context of this fictional universe, it's plausible. No problem." Kind of like how despite being rather Agnostic, I can absolutely accept God existing as an absolute fact within the context of a movie or story or whatever. "It's real Over There", that's fine.

But I guess the movie just made traversing in and out of the Hollow Earth a little bit TOO easy for Kong and too difficult for "normies", is the thing. Like, I'd imagine at the very least that his eyeballs and internal organs would have gone through some sort of ordeal during the trip. Maybe he could've puked, bled from the ears, I don't know. SOMEthing to show that it was rough on him. As it stands, the movie made it look like fighting Godzilla underwater was MUCH harder on Kong than going in and out of the Hollow Earth with all its gravity inversion shenanigans, and that's one HELL of an inconsistency. Like, he totally shrugged off the gravity inversion, and THEN he nearly drowns in regular seawater. Like... what?

*Allio* · 04-05-2021, 10:26 PM

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I don't see what any of this has to do with horribly written characters and ghastly scripting.

We weren’t talking about the characters or the scripting? He asked a question on “how” and I answered.

There is definitely issues with the whole Gravity inversion. Personally I would have gone that and borrowed from king of the monsters and say something like the radiation being so great that no normal ship can get through (unless built by some rich asshole who didn’t want to fund the cure for cancer) maybe have Kong have a strong resistance to radiation, hence how his species been at war with Godzilla, why he is able to just hold an active radiation scale filled with radioactive energy of his enemy with ease and why the “radiation” blast to the back didn’t have as much damage as it should have.

Though there is also the question at the ending how all those humans got to Hollow Earth at the end of the film despite the gravity inversion... I guess they used the path to Hong Kong (but I do like the idea that they just robbed Aphex’s ****.

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I think the mistake here is the repeated assumption that most people are going to watch Pacific Rim (as a gateway drug), then go on and enjoy a bunch of Toho-style kaiju movies. They probably wouldn't. And again, at the first sign of the new Monsterverse here going Toho-esque (KOTM)... audiences rejected it. It lost money.

Yeah, I see it like game of thrones. The normies will flock to that, but will never pick up a DND book.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 10:39 PM

I knew what you meant.

I think the confusion was because my question was on the last page and your reply showed up on this page and didn't have a quote. It happens.

And yeah, that would have been something more of an explanation, definitely.

Like, I can accept the Hollow Earth premise and actually found it intriguing. But I don't think they did enough with it AND also I thought that there were inconsistencies with the logic and things that weren't fleshed out enough.

Like, if the trip had been rougher on Kong after all that "No normal thing can get through!" build-up, it would have been more satisfying. Maybe some more drama, "How do we know Kong can even survive the trip?" or whatever. Maybe tease somehow that he didn't actually survive, like maybe he's passed out and non-responsive at first, maybe he was bleeding out the eyeballs, SOMEthing. Something just to illustrate that even for Kong, jumping in and out of this massive and dangerous Gravity Tunnel was more than a hop over a fence.

Again, he made it through THAT just fine but he almost drowned from fighting Godzilla underwater for a couple of minutes. That... doesn't feel right at all. Like the one thing was Too Easy and then the other thing was Too Hard. Both parts needed some work to make Kong's "power level" feel more consistent.

*Allio* · 04-05-2021, 10:43 PM

I mean even I could kick a shark’s ass on land

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I knew what you meant.

I think the confusion was because my question was on the last page and your reply showed up on this page and didn't have a quote. It happens.

Yeah, saw after the fact that there was two posts in between.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-05-2021, 10:50 PM

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I mean even I could kick a shark’s ass on land

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 10:54 PM

Sheeeeeiiiit, I'll box a shark underwater right now... long as I'm drunk on Jack, first.

I'm also accepting bookings for kickboxing a kangaroo, playing darts with an octopus, and I once shot a game of HORSE with a Maine lobster of unusual size.

I lost, but in my defense I'm white, and therefore no good at basketball. That kangaroo is totally f*cked, though.

*Powder* · 04-05-2021, 10:58 PM

I went to bed & came back to two pages worth.

I stand by my comments. I'm not saying anyone is a fake fan, or that any particular version of Godzilla is the "truest", just that, ya know, maybe some of you need to temper your expectations given that you are unfamiliar with what is typical for this series.

Pacific Rim is one of the worst movies I've ever seen, at least within the genre. If that's your measure of what a "good" kaiju film is, then you've got some weird bias clouding your judgement. That sh*t had terrible acting, incomprehensible BS at every turn, obnoxious disposable characters, forced melodrama, all the stuff you take issue with this series for, but way, way worse.

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Frankly Toho did "realistic" godzilla far better than anyone with Shin Godzilla unlike 2014 which was just boring. It's good they went the cheese route for the monsterverse since they had already lost the realistic approach with a boring film.

Kong Skull Island is pretty good, haven't caught KOTM or GvK yet but as long as they don't take themselves too seriously it'll be fine. the route Kong took seemed better for this universe.

But apparently the movie is doing well? Will they continue the monsterverse?

Bingo. America doesn't "get" Godzilla, IMO, so it's better they lean into what's easier for them to do, blockbuster spectacle. They could never emulate the mood, feelings, poignance of '54, Shin, etc. Better they go the Destroy All Monsters route, as they have. 2014 was a complete & total snooze, outside of a few select scenes. Skull Island was definitely the best of the Monsterverse, but I guess there's things with Kong you can do that don't quite fit into the framework of Godzilla's character as much, without entirely changing who/what he is & represents. #keepmonsterversegoing or something similar has been trending, & Legendary actually acknowledged it on social media, so who knows. If nothing else, discussions are being had, for sure.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 11:02 PM

There isn't a single polite thing I can say in reply to that assessment.

I'd rather we stay friends, so... I'mma just say nothing.

But Lord, it isn't easy.

With any luck, TigerClaw will drop another two cents in and I'll just eviscerate him and feel good about it.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-05-2021, 11:04 PM

For some reason I can't embed this particular video... but the Redlettermedia guys did their review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4BFKZLRUU

*Roseangelo* · 04-05-2021, 11:10 PM

I found this summed up my issues pretty well:

Overall, I was kind of disappointed there was so much emphasis on Kong. Would have liked more Godzilla story.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 11:12 PM

There definitely was so much Kong that I sincerely felt that "Kong vs. Godzilla" would have been a more apt title. Let's be real, it's a Kong movie and Godzilla is a Guest Star/Antagonist. It's not a movie about Godzilla.

I didn't have a "problem" with it, per se. But given whose name is first on the marquee, I was quite shocked how much of the movie is Kong-centric.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-05-2021, 11:18 PM

It's kind of fair in that we got 2 movies about Godzilla and only 1 movie about Kong. So in this one we get sooooort of 1 more movie about Kong, then the vs. match.

Except it's not very good.

*Roseangelo* · 04-05-2021, 11:30 PM

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Except it's not very good.

And also Godzilla (the monster) is better.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 11:32 PM

I mean, at least the right "guy" went over.

Giant Dinosaur with Laser Breath vs. Giant Monkey With NO Lasers Whatsoever. This is absolutely one of those Batman v. Superman "If I wanted it, you'd be dead already!" kinda things, let's just be real about it.

My wife was gonna pitch a fit if Kong went over. That was like the movie's one saving grace, for her.

*Allio* · 04-05-2021, 11:48 PM

I did kind of like that. Let Kong lose the title fight but win the 3 act team up. Thought that was fair.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-05-2021, 11:54 PM

Ahhh, but could EITHER of them have managed to stop the unstoppable power of MechaGodzilla if those Goofy Kids didn't have the foresight to pour whiskey all over the console? Or would MechaG have been picking his ass with the bones of Kong AND Godzilla were it not for The Power Of Supreme Plot Contrivance?!

Yeah... people are right... this movie's a Classic and Pacific Rim's a piece of sh*t. No contest. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I must have missed the part in PR where they closed the wormhole to the Kaiju Dimension by ripping stuff straight out of a goddamn Bugs Bunny cartoon.

I don't know if the folks here drink too much OR not enough. Seems like it could go either way, sometimes.

Not aimed at you, Allio. Just venting.

*Allio* · 04-06-2021, 12:09 AM

Nah man, it’s funny when you vent.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-06-2021, 12:12 AM

You should see my wife when she decides to go off.

She spends more time in FB Jail than most people spend on FB.

She occasionally reads over my shoulder, and when she saw our esteemed friend and colleague's Hot Take on "Pacific Rim" a few posts up, she said she almost went blind. She insisted that I mention this.

04-05-2021, 10:14 PM	#121
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Isn’t in the movies that the believe theory is that all the monsters came from Hollow Earth (as mentioned in Skull Island), I mean Kong’s species does come from Hollow Earth and since he and his parents are above ground it is more than likely he (and his kind) have evolved to a point that they could get through that gravity-inversions, hell even the Skull Crawlers had to evolve from that point to get through the inversion in Skull Island. My only complaint is that “why not use the passage on Skull Island?” though I guess the storm that ran through the island destroy the entrance. __________________

04-05-2021, 11:04 PM	#131
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,561	For some reason I can't embed this particular video... but the Redlettermedia guys did their review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y4BFKZLRUU __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-05-2021, 11:10 PM	#132
Roseangelo Emperor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 9,120	I found this summed up my issues pretty well: Overall, I was kind of disappointed there was so much emphasis on Kong. Would have liked more Godzilla story. __________________ www.ninjapizza.net www.colorsbyrosemary.com

04-05-2021, 11:18 PM	#134
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,561	It's kind of fair in that we got 2 movies about Godzilla and only 1 movie about Kong. So in this one we get sooooort of 1 more movie about Kong, then the vs. match. Except it's not very good. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

04-05-2021, 11:48 PM	#137
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	I did kind of like that. Let Kong lose the title fight but win the 3 act team up. Thought that was fair. __________________

04-05-2021, 10:23 PM	#123
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I mean, sure, but Kong is still just a giant gorilla. That's what sort of stretches my suspension of disbelief a little bit. I can believe more that Godzilla and other species could manage it, maybe, whether that be from their "armored" skin or "nuclear" insides or whatever other nonsense. Like, I can sort of accept the premise itself on faith, even though in Real Life "Hollow Earth" is absolute junk science. I'm like "Whatever, within the context of this fictional universe, it's plausible. No problem." Kind of like how despite being rather Agnostic, I can absolutely accept God existing as an absolute fact within the context of a movie or story or whatever. "It's real Over There", that's fine. But I guess the movie just made traversing in and out of the Hollow Earth a little bit TOO easy for Kong and too difficult for "normies", is the thing. Like, I'd imagine at the very least that his eyeballs and internal organs would have gone through some sort of ordeal during the trip. Maybe he could've puked, bled from the ears, I don't know. SOMEthing to show that it was rough on him. As it stands, the movie made it look like fighting Godzilla underwater was MUCH harder on Kong than going in and out of the Hollow Earth with all its gravity inversion shenanigans, and that's one HELL of an inconsistency. Like, he totally shrugged off the gravity inversion, and THEN he nearly drowns in regular seawater. Like... what?

04-05-2021, 10:39 PM	#125
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I knew what you meant. I think the confusion was because my question was on the last page and your reply showed up on this page and didn't have a quote. It happens. And yeah, that would have been something more of an explanation, definitely. Like, I can accept the Hollow Earth premise and actually found it intriguing. But I don't think they did enough with it AND also I thought that there were inconsistencies with the logic and things that weren't fleshed out enough. Like, if the trip had been rougher on Kong after all that "No normal thing can get through!" build-up, it would have been more satisfying. Maybe some more drama, "How do we know Kong can even survive the trip?" or whatever. Maybe tease somehow that he didn't actually survive, like maybe he's passed out and non-responsive at first, maybe he was bleeding out the eyeballs, SOMEthing. Something just to illustrate that even for Kong, jumping in and out of this massive and dangerous Gravity Tunnel was more than a hop over a fence. Again, he made it through THAT just fine but he almost drowned from fighting Godzilla underwater for a couple of minutes. That... doesn't feel right at all. Like the one thing was Too Easy and then the other thing was Too Hard. Both parts needed some work to make Kong's "power level" feel more consistent.

04-05-2021, 10:54 PM	#128
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Sheeeeeiiiit, I'll box a shark underwater right now... long as I'm drunk on Jack, first. I'm also accepting bookings for kickboxing a kangaroo, playing darts with an octopus, and I once shot a game of HORSE with a Maine lobster of unusual size. I lost, but in my defense I'm white, and therefore no good at basketball. That kangaroo is totally f*cked, though.

04-05-2021, 11:02 PM	#130
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	There isn't a single polite thing I can say in reply to that assessment. I'd rather we stay friends, so... I'mma just say nothing. But Lord, it isn't easy. With any luck, TigerClaw will drop another two cents in and I'll just eviscerate him and feel good about it.

04-05-2021, 11:12 PM	#133
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	There definitely was so much Kong that I sincerely felt that "Kong vs. Godzilla" would have been a more apt title. Let's be real, it's a Kong movie and Godzilla is a Guest Star/Antagonist. It's not a movie about Godzilla. I didn't have a "problem" with it, per se. But given whose name is first on the marquee, I was quite shocked how much of the movie is Kong-centric.

04-05-2021, 11:32 PM	#136
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I mean, at least the right "guy" went over. Giant Dinosaur with Laser Breath vs. Giant Monkey With NO Lasers Whatsoever. This is absolutely one of those Batman v. Superman "If I wanted it, you'd be dead already!" kinda things, let's just be real about it. My wife was gonna pitch a fit if Kong went over. That was like the movie's one saving grace, for her.

04-05-2021, 11:54 PM	#138
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Ahhh, but could EITHER of them have managed to stop the unstoppable power of MechaGodzilla if those Goofy Kids didn't have the foresight to pour whiskey all over the console? Or would MechaG have been picking his ass with the bones of Kong AND Godzilla were it not for The Power Of Supreme Plot Contrivance?! Yeah... people are right... this movie's a Classic and Pacific Rim's a piece of sht. No contest. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. I must have missed the part in PR where they closed the wormhole to the Kaiju Dimension by ripping stuff straight out of a goddamn Bugs Bunny cartoon.* I don't know if the folks here drink too much OR not enough. Seems like it could go either way, sometimes. Not aimed at you, Allio. Just venting.

04-06-2021, 12:09 AM	#139
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Nah man, it’s funny when you vent. __________________

04-06-2021, 12:12 AM	#140
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	You should see my wife when she decides to go off. She spends more time in FB Jail than most people spend on FB. She occasionally reads over my shoulder, and when she saw our esteemed friend and colleague's Hot Take on "Pacific Rim" a few posts up, she said she almost went blind. She insisted that I mention this.