DC/WB Confirm ''The Flash: Flashpoint'' Movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I agree with that: DCCU was derailed from the start and now it is not even worthy to be called a shadow of MCU, but shards of a shadow.

That is pretty accurate. "Shards of a shadow," yeah. A dissipating shadow.

[AquaParade]

I really think the healthiest move, right now, is to just move forward with a sequel to every success they've had in the last few years. Build those separate worlds, which are proven bets, and let them come together in some type of "crisis-event" later on. With all this multiverse stuff, you can sort of "have your cake and eat it too."

I'm just thinking from a business perspective in this instance. The Batman 2, Joker 2, Man of Steel 2 (without Snyder, because I think that's what general audiences want).

Then hope Black Adam, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, Batgirl, and WW3 can maintain themselves.

As they go, they can find ways to build off the momentum and take advantage of the multiverse -
Black Adam vs Superman, Justice League Unlimited...What else? I'm sure there are some clever ideas on this forum.
And it'd even be cool to see Snyder come back, and bring anyone from the multiverse, who is game, into a "Crisis" film.

Just my two cents, if I were Zaslav, taking over.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I really think the healthiest move, right now, is to just move forward with a sequel to every success they've had in the last few years. Build those separate worlds, which are proven bets, and let them come together in some type of "crisis-event" later on. With all this multiverse stuff, you can sort of "have your cake and eat it too."

I'm just thinking from a business perspective in this instance. The Batman 2, Joker 2, Man of Steel 2 (without Snyder, because I think that's what general audiences want).

Then hope Black Adam, Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, Batgirl, and WW3 can maintain themselves.

Would audiences want to see WW3 after WW1984? Or watch anything connected to the DCEU like MoS2?

What they should do is use The Batman as a springboard for a new reboot of their DC movies, and just do loosely connected movies for a good, long while. Maybe revamp stuff like Black Adam and Shazam 2 that didn't have a huge connection to the DCEU (it's tougher with Shazam due to the newspaper clippings and Superman "cameo", unfortunately).

What they will do is continue the DCEU limbo, with half-assed "world building", and fanservice to attempt to lure fans in. Knowing the gullibility of fanboys, I bet it will work. At least enough to make some profit for a while.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Or watch anything connected to the DCEU like MoS2?

Yes Fans have been begging pleading and demanding DC/Warners to do Man of Steel 2 with Cavill back as superman. But in true DC/Warner's fashion they ignore what the fans want

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

What they should do is use The Batman as a springboard for a new reboot of their DC movies

The problem is that The Batman isn't a good springboard for anything but more of The Batman. With only villains like Hush, Penguin, Hugo Strange probably.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly had zero interest in this movie. Even with Keaton, the most I'd do is watch clips of his scenes a week or so after the movie came out on YouTube.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The problem is that The Batman isn't a good springboard for anything but more of The Batman. With only villains like Hush, Penguin, Hugo Strange probably.

I agree with this.

Reeves has also said he's not interested in that, which is another roadblock. Doesn't make it impossible, but it's certainly not ideal.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

I agree with this.

Reeves has also said he's not interested in that, which is another roadblock. Doesn't make it impossible, but it's certainly not ideal.

Yeah, and trying to force Matt Reeves to start bringing in a The Batman universe Wonder Woman and Superman and so on... it's not going to be a Wonder Woman and Superman anyone are going to be excited about seeing, largely because Matt Reeves won't be excited about doing that.

Really, the most "clean" route to go is bringing back Cavill and doing a soft reboot just called "Superman." MoS happened but isn't really referenced because it doesn't matter in this story. Nice. Simple. Done. Eh. Maybe recast Lois?

Batman? Again, we can leave Reeves doing sequels to The Batman over there in the corner for as long as he wants but meanwhile there needs to be a Batman for the "bigger" DCEU. If that doesn't mean bringing back Affleck if he even would anyway, then that means recasting him and soft-rebooting things. Sure, the events of "Justice League" and BvS happened... but maybe Bruce was a little younger there than originally portrayed in it and also didn't murder anybody. And so on. Less like an MCU sequel and more like a pre-Casino Royale Bond sequel, if that makes sense.

[Sumac]

Its funny, how basically everything forces WB to go Marvel route, by making standalone movies first and crossovers later.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Yes Fans have been begging pleading and demanding DC/Warners to do Man of Steel 2 with Cavill back as superman. But in true DC/Warner's fashion they ignore what the fans want

Well, DC/WB do ignore what fans want, but Cavill's basically made it clear he's done with the DCEU. Same with Affleck. Neither of them seem interested in coming back, and I can't blame them.

And for the people denouncing The Batman as a potential start to a new universe, well, okaaaaay. Lots of guys say that, and that they want to just keep the DCEU. Sure, go for it. Have fun with more of the same crap.

Originally Posted by Sumac

Its funny, how basically everything forces WB to go Marvel route, by making standalone movies first and crossovers later.

They could have been more creative, it's just that their 'talent' along with their executives are short sighted, and greedy, so they are going to go through the Marvel route...and rush through it. To 'catch up'. Again, more of the same crap.

[AquaParade]

I don’t understand why one would use The Batman as a spring board for the DCEU.

It’s not like it grossed a billion. It’s very well received, but not the type of movie that shouts “springboard” for an entire DC universe.

1. It’s hyper-realistic. You can veer from that, but then what’s the point of using it as a starting point? Characters like Superman are going to drastically alter the dna of the world Reeve’s is creating. There is a way to make it work, but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

2. The creator of this potential new starting point, doesn’t like the idea. So what do you do? Take the recipe away from the cook, without having the secret ingredients? “Thanks for this universe, Matt, we will take it from here.”
Didn’t work so well for the Snyder to Whedon transition, that’s for sure.
And there goes the Batman sequel bc you pissed off the director whom was told he wouldn’t have to incorporate his universe into the shared multiverse.

I’m not seeing any reason outside of “Hey, that was a good movie. Build off that.” But maybe I can be convinced.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Well, DC/WB do ignore what fans want, but Cavill's basically made it clear he's done with the DCEU.

What? No, he hasn't. And how can he be "done" with Superman when nobody has even offered him any Superman?

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What? No, he hasn't. And how can he be "done" with Superman when nobody has even offered him any Superman?

There was a Vanity Fair interview from around 2018 or so where he basically implied he was done with Superman. I mean, maybe it's because WB isn't making any offers as you said. But the guy seems like he's moved on with his career.

I doubt they'll ever bring him back. Certain leaks (/rumors) for Flashpoint also state that the movie will...have new faces for the future of the DCEU if it proceeds.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

There was a Vanity Fair interview from around 2018 or so where he basically implied he was done with Superman. I mean, maybe it's because WB isn't making any offers

No maybe, that's what it is. He's repeatedly indicated he's down to come back and "hasn't thrown away his suit yet" or whatever it was a little bit back.

[superstaff]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No maybe, that's what it is. He's repeatedly indicated he's down to come back and "hasn't thrown away his suit yet" or whatever it was a little bit back.

Well, even if that's true, that doesn't mean they'll let him.

I really don't think they'll ever do a Man of Steel 2. At best, they'll do the black Superman reboot concept they've been not-so-subtly hinting at for the last few years.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by superstaff

Well, even if that's true, that doesn't mean they'll let him.

Right. But things like "I'm walking away" or "I'm quitting the part" are meaningless for two reasons in cases like these. #1) You can't walk away from a part that isn't being offered to you any longer. There has to be something there for you to be able to say you're walking away from. #2) That isn't even what's being said at all.

I really don't think they'll ever do a Man of Steel 2.

I hope not. It makes way more sense for them to do a Superman 1 instead.

At best, they'll do the black Superman reboot concept they've been not-so-subtly hinting at for the last few years.

Unless Discovery has something to say about it like now (and it sounds like they might), that's exactly their plan and that's what's happening. They're introducing Supergirl in the Flash, basically retroactively killing Kal-El as a baby and making her the survivor, and then she's our Superman until that Tanaracist Coates racist guy puts out his black Superman movie (not to be confused with the Michael B. Jordan black Superman project), where that Superman shows up.

[AquaParade]

Almost anything can happen at WBD/DC right now.

Discovery just bought WB from AT&T and there is a new head honcho. So while we can still look at the evidence we have in front of us, we also have to realize there is a new man in charge, making sweeping changes, so there is a lot up in the air right now.

Regarding Cavill, I'm pretty sure he is just holding out for more money. He hasn't been very clear with his intentions, but my read is that it's just negotiating/waiting for the right Superman script to come along. Whether he gets that is another question.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Regarding Cavill, I'm pretty sure he is just holding out for more money. He hasn't been very clear with his intentions, but my read is that it's just negotiating/waiting for the right Superman script to come along.

That might have been the case with the Shazam cameo (as in they lowballed him), but there has been 0 evidence that anyone has written any MoS 2 scripts for Cavill. Ever. No one ever even started to.

[Autbot_Benz]

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They just showed us some more footage from #TheFlash movie!!

It looks like it was worth the wait! #MichaelKeaton in the old #Batman suit and giving one of his iconic lines from 1989’s Batman.

So much here and Barry says everyone was drawn to each other “like magnets”.

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Michael Shannon will return as Zod in ‘THE FLASH’.

From Cinemacon

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

From Cinemacon

Zod is in The Flash? He's probably the version of Zod that became Superman instead of Kal-El