Is there a "toxicity" in this fandom?

[Vegeta]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The 2012 cartoon was incredibly popular with original fans and was on this forum when it was airing.

Sure but i'd argue it didn't have a whole lot of longevity. 3rd season killed me and I was pretty invested.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

Sure but i'd argue it didn't have a whole lot of longevity. 3rd season killed me and I was pretty invested.

Much the same for me...... Season 3 is where I started to lose interest. I hung in there for the next two seasons, but they weren't "required immediate viewing" for me like the first few were.

And I had some admiration for how they tried to reinvent things - which they did well enough. But as clever as stuff like turning Tokka into a Godzilla monster was, it was ultimately only halfway there - good enough to watch and go "heh" but not really "timeless".

I dunno - I liked the show but it had diminishing returns. I often wonder if I could make it through the entire show again beginning to end. I always felt that it's weakest point was having more "monsters" than "mutants" - a fine line to walk on to be sure though.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vegeta

Sure but i'd argue it didn't have a whole lot of longevity. 3rd season killed me and I was pretty invested.

Season 3 got pretty good as it went on, and Season 4 and 5 are among my favorites. Only problem is Mike/Casey get a bit flanderized as the show goes on, but the character interactions and story progressed nicely.

[Andrew NDB]

Season 3 is pretty much where my daughter tuned out. I was still showing her episodes but there was less and less excitement.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

a bit flanderized

[CyberCubed]

I say a bit, because they still have good moments in the final episodes/seasons. But they both do generally get dumber as the show goes on.

It's like Homer Simpson syndrome. In the beginning you know they're kinda dumb but not THAT dumb, but then as the show goes on them being stupid just becomes most of their character.

[neatoman]

I admittedly noticed the problems in season 2 but I might be unusually attentive.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

I agree completely. It's funny though because in every fandom you've got that "new project cheerleader" for anything new that comes out - that level of "toxic positivity". We had some of that here with that one or two guys who were completely personally challenged by the general apathy/disdain for "Rise". The level that they dug-in on arguing that people should like that show bordered on hysteria. It's the same thing with the handful of people here still buying the IDW book and variants every month and bugging up when you point out the realities of that situation.

I was one of those of those fans about a decade later, than Bay Turtles had happened, 2k12, Rise and other stuff, like new Terminators, The Predator and some more stuff and I've become an opposite of it.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I've always found the loonier/more rabid the fan, the thinner the skin. Generally speaking. And boy it's been a bizarre fandom. If you don't like it now, go back 23 years when it was all angry old ladies banning everybody in between patting each other on the back about who wrote the best fanfic where a Mary Sue has sex or a baby with Raphael. I'll take now, even if the state of the "franchise" itself is considerably worse off than ever.

Ouch, gladly I've never encountered this part of the fandom.
I am not squeamish person, but that would made me eurgh.

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Oh, that’s a big relief. I’m not the only one who thinks that the 2007 film is overrated.

I like it for amazing animation and Turtle interactions and voice acting.
Story is...bad. Is not that its conceptually bad, just needlessly overwritten and involves generic "end of the world" thing. Remove whole Winters stuff or tone it down and movie would have been so much more solid.

Originally Posted by IMJ

Much the same for me...... Season 3 is where I started to lose interest. I hung in there for the next two seasons, but they weren't "required immediate viewing" for me like the first few were.

Same here - dropped it after season 3 parodies, which took half of a season, I think?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Same here - dropped it after season 3 parodies, which took half of a season, I think?

Are you refering to the Northampton eps? Those were only the first 8 episodes, and only 4 of them were horror movie homages. The rest had the usual Turtles training to recover after their fight with Shredder.

In general I like how the Nick show kept building up characters. The Mutanimals are formed with Slash, Leatherhead and the others, the Kraang are finally defeated in the Season 3 finale, the Triceratons are introduced, Bishop and the EPF, the Utroms (fleshing out the Kraang backstory and making it make sense), Karai's plot actually goes somewhere and she betrays Shredder, Nick's version of Bebop and Rocksteady are actually hilarious and updated well, and there were a lot of fun eps. The Turtles in Space arc in Season 4 also covers a lot of good point, and the eps on Earth in the second half of the season and Season 5 wrap the show up nicely.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you refering to the Northampton eps? Those were only the first 8 episodes, and only 4 of them were horror movie homages. The rest had the usual Turtles training to recover after their fight with Shredder.

In general I like how the Nick show kept building up characters. The Mutanimals are formed with Slash, Leatherhead and the others, the Kraang are finally defeated in the Season 3 finale, the Triceratons are introduced, Bishop and the EPF, the Utroms (fleshing out the Kraang backstory and making it make sense), Karai's plot actually goes somewhere and she betrays Shredder, Nick's version of Bebop and Rocksteady are actually hilarious and updated well, and there were a lot of fun eps. The Turtles in Space arc in Season 4 also covers a lot of good point, and the eps on Earth in the second half of the season and Season 5 wrap the show up nicely.

I agree with all of this. Well, except the last part. Season 5 wraps up the show perfectly, but then there's 16 more episodes. The Big Blowout doesn't work as well as a finale, and the Mad Max future is a terrible ending. Good thing it's not canon, right? (please, no, it's a joke, I don't want to argue about that point anymore)

But overall, the 2012 show is my favorite of the shows and one of my favorite versions in general.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you refering to the Northampton eps? Those were only the first 8 episodes, and only 4 of them were horror movie homages. The rest had the usual Turtles training to recover after their fight with Shredder.

I feel like there were more parodies, than just 4, and in general Northampton arc felt a boring and lackluster to me unlike 2k3.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I feel like there were more parodies, than just 4, and in general Northampton arc felt a boring and lackluster to me unlike 2k3.

The problem is, I don't mind a horror parody here or there, maybe 1 or 2 per season, but back to back was just stupid. Might as well have renamed the show TMNT Horror Edition.

Similar to an entire season in space. Make it a 3-part arc or something, but an entire season?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Similar to an entire season in space. Make it a 3-part arc or something, but an entire season?

Turtles in Space arc was 13 episodes, so half a season. I didn't mind it, since aside from the few Dimension X eps, the Turtles had never gone into space for the entire Nick cartoon at that point. And there were different things happening in every episode, from Lord Dregg, Armaggon, Mona Lisa/Sal Commander, the Triceratons, Wyrm, etc. We had 3 sets of recurring villains + Fugitoid being around so it was nice.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Turtles in Space arc was 13 episodes, so half a season. I didn't mind it, since aside from the few Dimension X eps, the Turtles had never gone into space for the entire Nick cartoon at that point. And there were different things happening in every episode, from Lord Dregg, Armaggon, Mona Lisa/Sal Commander, the Triceratons, Wyrm, etc. We had 3 sets of recurring villains + Fugitoid being around so it was nice.

Yeah, and besides, the 2003 Space Arc was 8 episodes long, then there was another invasion arc that was 6 episodes long the very next season.

EDIT: And now that I think about it, that 6 episode invasion arc comes immediately after the Battle Royale arc, so that's 10 episodes of nonstop plot right there.

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Yeah, and besides, the 2003 Space Arc was 8 episodes long, then there was another invasion arc that was 6 episodes long the very next season.

Five. Five episodes in space, then three episodes explaining how the Utroms ended up on earth. Arguably one whole story consisting of eight episodes, but only five in space. If We're going to argue about one unbroken story, you could make the argument that it all lasted ten episodes, but they still only spent five episodes in space.

[Zog The Magnificent]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Five. Five episodes in space, then three episodes explaining how the Utroms ended up on earth. Arguably one whole story consisting of eight episodes, but only five in space. If We're going to argue about one unbroken story, you could make the argument that it all lasted ten episodes, but they still only spent five episodes in space.

They may have different titles, but it's all one arc. There's no break, and the plot directly continues on from the space stuff, and still has to do with all the space subject matter, namely the Utroms. It's all the Space arc.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The problem is, I don't mind a horror parody here or there, maybe 1 or 2 per season, but back to back was just stupid. Might as well have renamed the show TMNT Horror Edition.

Precisely. This is what bummed me about the show. Besides, I found parodies to be lackluster themselves.
Like, FW TMNT also did some parodies, but at least they were not back to back and were not taking place of a central plot for who knows how much of the season (since FW didn't had much of an ongoing plot, but still, point stands).

[CyberCubed]

A lot of Fred Wolf parodies went over our heads as children because we were too young to realize what movies they were parodying.

I had no idea Baxter being turned into a fly for example was based on the movie, "The Fly" which just came out in the 80's before the show started. How ironic Baxter's iconic fly mutation is just a horror movie parody?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know if Baxter becoming a fly fulfills the requirements to be a parody of The Fly, and I probably even saw that movie first as a kid. Inspired by, obviously. Though Cronenberg's Fly is a remake. So it wasn't like a hot new thing.

[neatoman]

It's a scientist fusing to a fly on a molecular level, how much more obvious does it have to be? The 2012 cartoon even copies the bit where he attempts cure himself by fusing to another human.