Donald Trump Hush money trial

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

So I guess ol' Don is finally cooked. Even with appeals, there's no way he can get all 34 counts appealed.

He can, but we're looking at long, long past the election before this is all settled up. We're talking exhausting courts at the state level which have already shown us which way they'll lean before going to the federal level (a lot of this hinges on a federal crime that was never actually brought forward to begin with), where the whole thing can be thrown out.

I'm of several minds about this. One, well... it wouldn't be much of a show trial if there wasn't going to be a conviction, would it? There was always going to be a conviction. Two, someone other than Trump on the republican ticket would be a good thing and a more swallowable pill to independents or people on the fence so if this leads to that, great (but I don't think it will lead to that). Three, a lot of talking heads on the right are saying this is a great thing, that this vindicates Trump in a lot of people's head and proves that the left has weaponized the government to go after Trump. Which they have, blatantly, but I don't have one iota of faith that the "average person" -- whether on the left or in the middle -- has that as a takeaway. Maybe some, but this sounds a lot like the hopeful, "Pffft, Roe V Wade being struck down won't hurt the vote this election cycle at all!" and we saw how that went.

[IMJ]

Looks like our next President will be a felon....
omfg

It's like when you have that $#!( boss and they hate you so they throw anything at the wall they can until something sticks to get you fired with malice.

[Mayhem]

I did have a chuckle about some of the less obvious consequences to all this. A convicted criminal cannot serve in the military, so he'd be able to dodge that again, but more practically, some countries don't allow convicted felons in - not ideal for a President. Also, they cannot vote, so at the very least, that's one less vote for himself!

[Mayhem]

This is a case where, if they can do this to me, they can do this to anyone

Yes, anyone accused of trying to falsify why they paid off a hooker.

These are bad people. These are, in many cases, I believe, sick people.

So basically not wanting anyone non white to move to the US at all.

“It all comes out of the White House. Crooked Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of our country. He’s the worst president in the history of our country, the most incompetent, he’s the dumbest president we’ve ever had. He’s the dumbest president, most incompetent president, and he’s the most dishonest president we’ve ever had,” Trump said.

Only one of you has been convicted of anything (yet), though...

“We’re going to be appealing this scam. We’re going to be appealing it on many different things,” Trump said. Referring to judge Juan Merchan, Trump said, “He wouldn’t allow us to have witnesses, he wouldn’t allow us to talk, he wouldn’t allow us to do anything. The judge was a tyrant.”

He let you take the stand that you backed out from... not sure you're going to be able to appeal all 34 though. And total BS about no witnesses, as usual.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I did have a chuckle about some of the less obvious consequences to all this. A convicted criminal cannot serve in the military, so he'd be able to dodge that again,

As in, if this doesn't get overturned and he goes back in time to when he was under 25? They don't draft over 25 and you can't even enlist in anything if you're over 35.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Well it's certainly not us far more likely to be Russia and/or China...

While I wouldn't believe that the British government itself is pulling the strings, a group of people hiding within all of the mentioned nations (Britain, Russia, China) is certainly involved in shaping their respective government policies.

[Mayhem]

*snort* sadly true of so many right now…

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

As in, if this doesn't get overturned and he goes back in time to when he was under 25? They don't draft over 25 and you can't even enlist in anything if you're over 35.

Satire, dear lord, satire, given he dodged serving when he was young enough…

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Satire, dear lord, satire, given he dodged serving when he was young enough…

That's a pretty bone-headed use of satire, if so. That's like taking a woman in her 20s who, say, famously adopted away her kids very early, then when she's like 75 and well past menopause you make the "satire," "HAH! Imagine when she has kids now! HAHAHAHAH!"

That's not the way this works. That's not even the way humor in general works.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

*snort* sadly true of so many right now…

https://i.imgur.com/otIBd0q.jpeg

The image is actually very true. Many Trump supporters don't realise that Trump was never going to arrest Hillary, their "lock her up" chants fell on deaf ears.

Republicians and Democrats are closer than what some might think. They'll attend the same parties, serve the same interests and commit the same crimes, but people will still be fooled when they put on a show election.

[Bahamut810]

Unless we decide to throw out our constitution he will be acquitted on all charges on (probably) the next appeal. He has a 6th amendment right to an impartial Jury which is impossible for him to have at this point in our society.

As it stands he got hit with 34 counts of falsifying records because he was being blackmailed. The Judge instructed the Jury of 3 potential legal violations that would make changing those records illegal and instructed the jury that if they thought any of those fit they should vote guilty.

Does that matter? No...all juries are going to come in an find him either innocent or guilty due to how they feel about him.

[Mayhem]

Judges direct juries all the time, there was nothing unusual about the case here in that regards. And I speak as someone who has done jury duty twice.

What is important is that it may sway enough people not to vote for a CONvict in November enough to keep Tangoman out of office.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's not the way this works. That's not even the way humor in general works.

It does here, and we do have different humour, mostly satirical, ironic (the correct definition not the Alanis Morrisette type), and black/dry/gallows, if only to remind everyone that Sleepy Don was a draft dodger. Then he has the audacity to go after people who have actually served. F*** him on that one. It’s funny because it is so ludicrous in its assertion. But as I said, that would get laughs here.

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I suspect a handbasket may be involved.

And on that note, I’ll admit I did actually chuckle at this.

[Coola Yagami]

It would be impossible to get an impartial jury unless it's composed of backwater folks with limited access to media since forever. Everyone is strongly for or against the guy and it's difficult to be impartial and make a choice without being accused of being strongly for or against the guy.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It would be impossible to get an impartial jury unless it's composed of backwater folks with limited access to media since forever. Everyone is strongly for or against the guy and it's difficult to be impartial and make a choice without being accused of being strongly for or against the guy.

They started with over a hundred potential jurors and whittled a lot of them down for varying reasons including that which you state, so the final 12 who started were likely to be as best a pool as could be hoped for.

[Barkworm]

To me, the only takeaway from all this is that Trump's famous quote "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters" from 8 years ago is now as true as ever.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It would be impossible to get an impartial jury unless it's composed of backwater folks with limited access to media since forever. Everyone is strongly for or against the guy and it's difficult to be impartial and make a choice without being accused of being strongly for or against the guy.

True, and yet they forced this "trial" in a place where it is like 5% republican (they all left because the state is broken). So how do we possibly reconcile "a jury of his peers" in such a situation?

[Barkworm]

I deleted the last round of Trump bashing which derailed the thread too much.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I deleted the last round of Trump bashing which derailed the thread too much.

I'm surprised the topic wasn't trimmed down to 5 pages lol. Isn't that what every Trump-related topic eventually turns into?

[Mayhem]

I guess he will have to borrow someone else's weapon...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ony-conviction

[Bahamut810]

Thats BS...it was a non-violent crime. New York has fked up priorities.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

*snort* sadly true of so many right now…

https://i.imgur.com/otIBd0q.jpeg


Satire, dear lord, satire, given he dodged serving when he was young enough…

Hilary Clinton committed crimes against the country and has a myriad of mysterious deaths surrounding her family. Donald Trump had a "cover the wall in $#!( until something sticks" assault by Democrats and what they hit him on was a stretch "crime" based on an agreement he had with a porn star.

Your hypocrisy point is in disregard of the truth, which is pretty common in liberal logic.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I'm surprised the topic wasn't trimmed down to 5 pages lol. Isn't that what every Trump-related topic eventually turns into?

Here. Know your audience, bro. I've said it before - groups homogenize with occasional tourists.