TMNT Battle Nexus coming in November!

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

So you don't consider it accurate?

Not at all. I’ve ranted about it before, but basically none of it makes any sense. Kraang Prime’s name was Kraang before he was mutated. So clearly he was conceptualized as FW Krang’s dimensional counterpart, not his “cousin”. Although I guess you could argue it’s the English equivalent of Sean vs. Shawn. But there’s still a bunch of other parallels.

It also ignores all of the FW lore around the rock soldiers and the Neutrinos. Speaking of which, if there’s only one Dimension X… why is there 87 and 2012 versions of Traag, Granitor, and the Neutrinos?

A couple fans have laid out some very thoughtful mental gymnastics to make it work, but I don’t buy it.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Not at all. I’ve ranted about it before, but basically none of it makes any sense. Kraang Prime’s name was Kraang before he was mutated. So clearly he was conceptualized as FW Krang’s dimensional counterpart, not his “cousin”. Although I guess you could argue it’s the English equivalent of Sean vs. Shawn. But there’s still a bunch of other parallels.

It also ignores all of the FW lore around the rock soldiers and the Neutrinos. Speaking of which, if there’s only one Dimension X… why is there 87 and 2012 versions of Traag, Granitor, and the Neutrinos?

A couple fans have laid out some very thoughtful mental gymnastics to make it work, but I don’t buy it.

Okay but is it official that all versions of Renet are same person?

[neatoman]

Yeah, I really don't know why anyone even bothers attempting to fit the 2012/FW crossovers into FW continuity proper. The FW show itself might have a poor sense of continuity but I'm pretty damn sure none of it is as bad as trying to claim all Dimension X aspects were completely different.

I really do maintain that the best way of looking at it is to assume we are not seeing the FW characters in the crossover, but just reflections of them.

[nidza_maj2000]

Here is what Sophie Campbell said about Ninjara "She's from another dimension where there are no humans or mutants, she lives in a swamp, her soul is trapped in her tail, and she is magically forced to obey an evil sorcerer. The covers that have been released so far are a little misleading, in fact she is not a Nexus fighter, but a bodyguard for the tournament organizer."

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Yeah, I really don't know why anyone even bothers attempting to fit the 2012/FW crossovers into FW continuity proper. The FW show itself might have a poor sense of continuity but I'm pretty damn sure none of it is as bad as trying to claim all Dimension X aspects were completely different.

I really do maintain that the best way of looking at it is to assume we are not seeing the FW characters in the crossover, but just reflections of them.

Yes, even Turtlepedia says they are same versions from TMNT 1987 universe

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Okay but is it official that all versions of Renet are same person?

Either Tom, Bobby or Kevin said so like 10 years ago. I’ll play ball and accept that IDW Renet is the same character as Mirage Renet, but I don’t think it’s fair for them to assert that about any other version.

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Here is what Sophie Campbell said about Ninjara "She's from another dimension where there are no humans or mutants, she lives in a swamp, her soul is trapped in her tail, and she is magically forced to obey an evil sorcerer. The covers that have been released so far are a little misleading, in fact she is not a Nexus fighter, but a bodyguard for the tournament organizer."

Sounds weird.

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Yes, even Turtlepedia says they are same versions from TMNT 1987 universe

The wiki is just edited by fans like you and me. They’re not necessarily the arbiter of what’s canon and what isn’t.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Either Tom, Bobby or Kevin said so like 10 years ago. I’ll play ball and accept that IDW Renet is the same character as Mirage Renet, but I don’t think it’s fair for them to assert that about any other version.



Sounds weird.



The wiki is just edited by fans like you and me. They’re not necessarily the arbiter of what’s canon and what isn’t.

Why do you think it sounds weird?

[nidza_maj2000]

The wiki is just edited by fans like you and me. They’re not necessarily the arbiter of what’s canon and what isn’t.[/QUOTE]

They even listed TMNT 1990 movie characters as same versions from TMNT 2007 movie, that might not be accurate , do you also think so?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Why do you think it sounds weird?

Seems like a fairly bizzare concept, plus a pretty far departure from Archie Ninjara. Definitely gonna check it out though.

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

The wiki is just edited by fans like you and me. They’re not necessarily the arbiter of what’s canon and what isn’t.

They even listed TMNT 1990 movie characters as same versions from TMNT 2007 movie, that might not be accurate , do you also think so?

I personally consider the 90’s trilogy to be a different continuity from 2007. But some people disagree.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Seems like a fairly bizzare concept, plus a pretty far departure from Archie Ninjara. Definitely gonna check it out though.



They even listed TMNT 1990 movie characters as same versions from TMNT 2007 movie, that might not be accurate , do you also think so?

Yes and director of movie said it is same continuity but there is just so many differences

[nidza_maj2000]

So I hope this tweet means there will be more characters that are not annouced, here: https://x.com/andykhouri/status/1948813769825812649

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

The wiki is just edited by fans like you and me. They’re not necessarily the arbiter of what’s canon and what isn’t.

Yeah, I know. It can get pretty weird, I suspect that particular example might be due to wishful thinking rather than serious examination.

I know the Transformers Wiki has the concept of "continuity family", which is implemented under the premise that the Transformers series has so many different continuities and diverging/converging continuities that making a new page for every single version of a character wouldn't make sense and would render the wiki unreadable. And in some ways that makes sense, the anime Headmasters and the fourth season of the original Transformer cartoon are clearly contradictory yet both are continuations of the first three seasons, so it doesn't necessarily make sense to make different wiki pages of the characters even if they would technically be two different iterations of said characters. Thus "continuity family", and I guess it also made sense when they put the original cartoon and the Marvel Comic as they sorta started with the same plot... Kinda... But then they also list the Dreamwave, IDW, various manga and Skybound continuities in that same "continuity family". As a result the wiki page for a character like "G1" Optimus Prime turns into a laughable mess of alternate reality versions that vary from being basically the same as another version of the character described on the same page, to having virtually nothing in common with any other version aside from a handful of details.

Honestly, I think the TFwiki editors have the right idea to acknowledge divergent continuities but really need to rethink their priorities in how to structure the pages and maybe hack these "continuity families up a bit".

[Allio]

Originally Posted by nidza_maj2000

Yes and director of movie said it is same continuity but there is just so many differences

Been a long while since I sat down to watch the films, but outside of April taking up martial arts and Spliter mobility. Was there really any contradictions in the film. I mean I guess you could count Karai’s inclusion since it would have been off screen. But I feel like her and the other foot were just the remains of what remained of the foot. Hell, with the whole Shredder manipulating the children and trying to play “father” to said children you still have the father-daughter for that universe.

Hell, the ending of TMNT where they were implying the soon resurrection of the Shredder easily connects to the Last Ronin film if they plan to make it a legacy sequel to the live action

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it's "The Long Awaited Return of Ninjara!!" in a multiversal adventure where... it's not the existing Ninjara from the Archie universe, but a new one. With a radically different look, backstory and mission statement.

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, it's "The Long Awaited Return of Ninjara!!" in a multiversal adventure where... it's not the existing Ninjara from the Archie universe, but a new one. With a radically different look, backstory and mission statement.

We will see how it will be like

[nidza_maj2000]

Originally Posted by Allio

Been a long while since I sat down to watch the films, but outside of April taking up martial arts and Spliter mobility. Was there really any contradictions in the film. I mean I guess you could count Karai’s inclusion since it would have been off screen. But I feel like her and the other foot were just the remains of what remained of the foot. Hell, with the whole Shredder manipulating the children and trying to play “father” to said children you still have the father-daughter for that universe.

Hell, the ending of TMNT where they were implying the soon resurrection of the Shredder easily connects to the Last Ronin film if they plan to make it a legacy sequel to the live action

Characters also look really different than in 90s movies

[CyberCubed]

I still need to know if this is canon to IDW or another random crossover comic like He-man, Batman, Power Rangers, Naruto, Street Fighter, etc. My interest will wane if it's not canon and just another random book.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I still need to know if this is canon to IDW or another random crossover comic like He-man, Batman, Power Rangers, Naruto, Street Fighter, etc. My interest will wane if it's not canon and just another random book.

Jesus Christmas. Read the IGN article. It’s canon.

[Daytona]

Very curious to see how they utilize Mirage Shredder but not expecting much.

[Daytona]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

No, it's crap. And a bit demeaning to Mirage at large. It's as if to say, "Mirage was black and white, but the NEW Turtle universes have evolved beyond those dinosaurs!"

I don’t think it’s derogatory. Just heavy handed.