The Conflict between the West and Middle East

[Daytona]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Trump is so scary that he got into a ceasefire with zero of the American military objectives fulfilled. Just to be clear:

1. Islamic Regime is still intact.
2. Nuclear enrichment is still on a table.
3. Iran still controls the Strait of Hormuz, and will be charging tolls .

Are you okay with those terms? How exactly do these terms leave Trump better off than before the war?

Bc we have decimated their army and equipment and have gotten them to bend their knee to a ceasefire in which we will now negotiate to make the world a safer place.

I suppose dem strategy will be to claim we will get nothing that we are asking for. And then when we don’t get every single thing we asked for, but get the most important stuff, they will again show that they don’t understand negotiation.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Hey, I deal with children a lot, I have seen this kind of "strategy" many times. If this is considered "negotiation", it says a lot about the times we live in.

It really doesn’t though. Negotiation has always been about asking more than what you want. I feel bad for anyone who ever tried to sell something without understanding this.

[FrederikWolferson]

Originally Posted by Daytona

Bc we have decimated their army and equipment and have gotten them to bend their knee to a ceasefire in which we will now negotiate to make the world a safer place.

I suppose dem strategy will be to claim we will get nothing that we are asking for. And then when we don’t get every single thing we asked for, but get the most important stuff, they will again show that they don’t understand negotiation.




It really doesn’t though. Negotiation has always been about asking more than what you want. I feel bad for anyone who ever tried to sell something without understanding this.

Who's we,dude?

[Daytona]

Originally Posted by FrederikWolferson

Who's we,dude?

The US primarily.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Daytona

The US primarily.

Don't worry, now he'll swing around and talk about Israel, or something, since you took his "bait."

[FrederikWolferson]

Originally Posted by Daytona

The US primarily.

And how are YOU benefiting from this?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Oh riiiight! The guy from Germany HAS GOT to drive a VW! What else?


But yeah, we've got one.

too easy!

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

"Did you hear that, guys? Trump just said something outrageous!" <---- don't be the person still saying this in 2026.

Stop it. Don't be that dumb. And in this particular case he is almost undoubtedly beta testing different levels of hyperbole to see what -- if anything -- will get a deal done. If none of it works I'd expect a war machine response that is probably more than the IRGC expects but less than anyone is fearing.

Yeah, I mean come on.

We all came to know and love Trump from his whacky Twitter persona a long long time ago. I know he’s crafted this image of himself that it’s still him on there saying whatever he wants, but at this point it’s almost certainly a team of White House staffers carefully crafting these, as they know THE BASE still loves it and the libs and they media will dissect every letter.

Social media is just another PR tool. Sure Trump’s “truths” and the IRGC’s AI Lego videos are great fun, but that’s not how they’re actually communicating. We don’t hear about anything until after the fact, and even then we’ll never know the full details of what’s actually being said between the various parties.

[Daytona]

Originally Posted by FrederikWolferson

And how are YOU benefiting from this?

Terrorist regimes are bad. Personally I just like to see Dems imploding again though. The more people who realize that party has gone completely overboard the better.

[Andrew NDB]

The correct answer is "We benefit by our threat level of getting nuked by Iran for the crime of being their 'Big Satan' being returned to being 0."

But then you'll probably get a bunch of "How would we KNOW they would have built a nuke until they do?" type blowback. You won't get anywhere once that starts, really, so its really best to just let them expose their own stupidity at that point.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I hope Iran never nukes America like how North Korea has.

Originally Posted by Daytona

I suppose dem strategy will be to claim we will get nothing that we are asking for. And then when we don’t get every single thing we asked for, but get the most important stuff, they will again show that they don’t understand negotiation.

If the most important stuff doesn't include opposition to Nuclear Enrichment, Control over the Strait, and a lack of Regime change, then I'm all for it.

I'm no Liberal, I can see when Trump has done something right. The ceasefire was the right move, especially as its heavily favourable to Iran with their 10 point plan.

[ToTheNines]

Israel killing civilians again. This time in Lebanon: https://apnews.com/article/israel-le...4a157c966ec6ea

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The ceasefire is essentially broken. Iran has closed the Strait again (that should not be possible because all the Trump supporters say Iran is too weak to fight now).

How did that threat from Trump work out? We're back to square one.

[Mayhem]

Needless to say the right is spinning it that Iran attacked first, but we all know Israel did, claiming Lebanon was not part of the deal. But Pakistan and Iran are claiming it was.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Israel killing civilians again. This time in Lebanon: https://apnews.com/article/israel-le...4a157c966ec6ea

It was a "commercial and residiential zone," it looks like. Silly terrorists. Next time they better be sure and put their Hezbollah guys in an appropriately marked "terrorist zone."

[ToTheNines]

Shalom, Andrew

[FrederikWolferson]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It was a "commercial and residiential zone," it looks like. Silly terrorists. Next time they better be sure and put their Hezbollah guys in an appropriately marked "terrorist zone."

This was typed by somebody in an IDF uniform.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

All U.S. Ships, Aircraft, and Military Personnel, with additional Ammunition, Weaponry, and anything else that is appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantially degraded Enemy, will remain in place in, and around, Iran, until such time as the REAL AGREEMENT reached is fully complied with. If for any reason it is not, which is highly unlikely, then the “Shootin’ Starts,” bigger, and better, and stronger than anyone has ever seen before. It was agreed, a long time ago, and despite all of the fake rhetoric to the contrary - NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS and, the Strait of Hormuz WILL BE OPEN & SAFE. In the meantime our great Military is Loading Up and Resting, looking forward, actually, to its next Conquest. AMERICA IS BACK!

Here we go again. This dog is all bark and no bite.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It was a "commercial and residiential zone," it looks like. Silly terrorists. Next time they better be sure and put their Hezbollah guys in an appropriately marked "terrorist zone."

In the other thread you ask people "not to be dumb". Then, you post something like this? If you like to spin it that way, aren't the civilians at fault for even being near the terrorists? Would you write something this shameful if you had lost someone close to you, just because they happened to be somewhere close to some criminals?

[ToTheNines]

Andrew every time a terrorist state murders civilians:

[ToTheNines]

Real talk though… Lebanon has disavowed and condemned
Hezbollah. Be honest, how would you feel if the Mexican government bombed an apartment complex full of US citizens in order to kill a handful of Cartel members?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Real talk though… Lebanon has disavowed and condemned
Hezbollah. Be honest, how would you feel if the Mexican government bombed an apartment complex full of US citizens in order to kill a handful of Cartel members?

Or to flip it and be more accurate to the situation, if it was after months/years of the Mexican government allowing cartels in parts of northern Mexico to send missiles to various parts of the southernmost United States and there is actionable intel about where the people doing that are staying on a given day in Mexico? And, oh, the Mexican governement disavows the cartel yet, are clearly not doing anything about it?

But yeah, "I bet the intel is wrong/a lie/Israeli [fill-in-the-blank]/Tucker/Candace said, etc.."

You can always tell which side is which because one side, all they have is narratives. No facts. Just narratives. More and more narratives, about everything. "ICE is jumping out of vans and breaking into people's houses and putting citizens into gulags!" or "There's a war on black people by the police!" "School to prison pipeline!" "Not all citizens are able to get ID!" and so on, when none of that is happening. It is a fantasy. But the narratives continue.