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[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Agreed on number 3 but the rest? Did anyone honestly think this guy could end wars? No post-election analysis I've read mentions his diplomatic finesse (lol) as a deciding factor for voters. And he was very likely one of the Epstein pedos himself so...
Anti-migration and DRILL BABY were what it was all about.

I mean, he's boys with Putin and historically he has been able to deescalate certain bad situations. He could have cut off Israel if he wanted to and did reach some flimsy cease-fire. Albeit too little, too late.

I kind of thought there might be something to the Epstein files prosecutions since many of those implicated were/are his political enemies. But yeah... I think there was a lot of kayfabe going on there seeing as he looks just as guilty as the rest of them. That pivot has been so embarrassing.

But at the same time, it makes me wonder why the hell Biden's DOJ or FBI didn't do a damn thing with that information. Guess we'll never know.

[Andrew NDB]

It's kind of like the lear jet crash the other day. It crashes and the same people (the usual suspects) all light up with, "FALSE FLAG! There's no wreckage! There's never any wreckage!" Very predictably.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's kind of like the lear jet crash the other day. It crashes and the same people (the usual suspects) all light up with, "FALSE FLAG! There's no wreckage! There's never any wreckage!" Very predictably.

Yeah, that was pretty annoying. I'm obviously a bit of a tinfoil hat guy myself, but some of these people can't even let a damn plane crash without making it something it's not. Like, somehow you're all of a sudden an aerodynamics expert and an aircraft engineer. Gimme a break.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's kind of like the lear jet crash the other day. It crashes and the same people (the usual suspects) all light up with, "FALSE FLAG! There's no wreckage! There's never any wreckage!" Very predictably.

Those people are the right's analog to basically any irrational hater from the left. It's a true spectrum, however imbalanced.

On another note this congressional rebalancing is hardly the "we got HIM!" victory that frothing at the mouth liberals would have you believe. Again - they'll do anything to dramatize an action on Trump's part or the depth of loss they can put on him.

But at the end of the day if we look at reality this has occurred many times across Presidential history after an extreme period of power-distribution. As for Trump? The maniacs can say whatever they want but the biggest mistake he has made while in office is practically this entire Iranian thing. The guy survived direct assassination attempts, but this Iranian "campaign" is his ongoing downfall across a variety of metrics.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

The guy survived direct assassination attempts.

lmao you mean the staged attempt where his ear magically regrew cartilage?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by IMJ

But at the end of the day if we look at reality this has occurred many times across Presidential history after an extreme period

This is a good point. The House has flipped in 5 of the last 6 midterm elections. This isn’t surprising at all.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

lmao you mean the staged attempt where his ear magically regrew cartilage?

No. I mean the real assassination attempt from the typical delusional leftist who invents stories about reality to justify his hate or correct the story to suit his POV.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd be lying if it wasn't disheartening in a big way, but this IS what happens every time in midterms like this. This in particular was about Iran in large part for the left, independents and the "horseshoe right" (who want to use this as a punishment against Trump for betraying "America First" in their view and then just not voting at all), but it was also about "F*** Israel!" and a lot of people wanting more attention to the cost of living while Trump is venerating daily about things like the reflecting pool and changing the names of monuments and lakes. I understand the latter part.

I do wonder, though, if we've already hit the saturation point where there's finally more life-angry people demanding free stuff than there are hard-working people to create the free stuff for them. Because things start to fall apart pretty fast after that and there isn't really any going back then. I hope not, though. I hope this is just a typical revenge cycle.

[Barkworm]

This is what happens in the midterms, true. What makes it exceptional is the scale: estimated House losses of roughly 38–55 seats put it among the biggest wave elections, and the Democrats’ gain of at least seven Senate seats is among the worst Senate defeats for a president’s party in nearly a century. The results in Texas, South Carolina and Kansas are not the usual midterm flip at all.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

This is all fake. The republician party won BIG TIME.

Think about it, Trump is always about common sense just like the normal anti-woke thinkers.

The frothing feeler left has no common sense. Therefore the common sense party won in reality.

The silent majority got cheated again.

[Barkworm]

One of the more encouraging things about this election is that (so far) there hasn‘t been any of the embarassing VOTER FRAUD whining.

[ZariusTwo]

Jeffries saying he won't support abolishing ICE or Medicare

Keep sipping that snake oil the dems sold you lefties, nothing will change.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

but it was also about "F*** Israel!" and a lot of people wanting more attention to the cost of living while Trump is venerating daily about things like the reflecting pool and changing the names of monuments and lakes. I understand the latter part.

Yeah, seriously. Trump’s messaging has been pretty awful these past two years. On top of your examples, there’s the ball room and the juvenile social media content. It just all comes across as unserious.

Originally Posted by Barkworm

One of the more encouraging things about this election is that (so far) there hasn‘t been any of the embarassing VOTER FRAUD whining.

Yeah that has been almost unbelievable. Weird.

[IMJ]

Nah the voter fraud thing is already catching steam. I've seen some maps of Texas and how the vote their was inexplicable and a few "voting infiltration" videos showing that you can show up with your head covered like a Muslim and then "vouch" for up to 8 people to vote along with you.

The other thing is Illinois - I literally see NO ONE on social media pleased with f'n Pritzker getting a third term - NO ONE. Yet he won. But that doesn't mean "voter fraud" as much as the "Chicago phenomena".

On that note, I'm going there tonight to the South Loop for an event. Wish me luck.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by IMJ

Nah the voter fraud thing is already catching steam. I've seen some maps of Texas and how the vote their was inexplicable and a few "voting infiltration" videos showing that you can show up with your head covered like a Muslim and then "vouch" for up to 8 people to vote along with you.

The other thing is Illinois - I literally see NO ONE on social media pleased with f'n Pritzker getting a third term - NO ONE. Yet he won. But that doesn't mean "voter fraud" as much as the "Chicago phenomena".

On that note, I'm going there tonight to the South Loop for an event. Wish me luck.

Another thing is, it's also possible the voters aren't people that are stuck 24/7 on social media. Just because several people make 'I voted' their entire personality for a few days doesn't mean everyone will.

I vote and never make a big to-do about it.

As for Texas, that was very surprising, but even I know a few friends living there that can't stand the red regime.

Also I see a lot of idiots on Twitter crying over the fake 5000 dollars they were never going to get. The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

[Barkworm]

I don't know about idiots on social media, I was talking about idiot politicians. But even Trump himself has been uncharacteristically restrained.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Also I see a lot of idiots on Twitter crying over the fake 5000 dollars they were never going to get. The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

I didn't like Trump doing that either but pretty much all leftist politicians here are doing IS bribing voters. With more and more "Free Stuff." And it has been working.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The orange doofus essentially bribing his voters should never have been allowed.

Oh, you mean a potential true dividend from growth? As opposed to... say the hoodrat-era of "Obama Money"?

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I vote and never make a big to-do about it

Yeah me too.

to your other point, yeah - it's that phenomena I've mentioned elsewhere here too:

Someone goes on social media and claims there's "outrage" over xyz. But there's no balance to that message from the millions are not actually "outraged" by nonsense "xyz"....
Someone goes on social media with their "vote" speech but it's nothing compared to millions who do it and stay silent.

At the end of the day, trump-hate-delusion aside, the turn here was that Trump went to Iran and that was the big misstep. The spillover from that is not only a misallocation of global resources but also enhanced the inflation-issue that is completely opposite of the positive market-run that is, ironically, actually still happening but we can't feel it because of inflation-weight.

Iran is a culturally-dog$#( country but that's their problem. If we couldn't "go in, get them and get out" like we did in Venezuela then you don't go in. You don't get drawn into conflicts that betray the Powell Doctrine - which is to go in with overwhelming force, and if you can't do that, then you wait or don't go in at all.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I think Trump was pretty sure that that first big strike was supposed to basically decapitate Iran. When it didn't, everything after that felt like floundering around.

At the very least, Trump did succeed in "unmasking" Iran. Since I was a kid they were like the boogeyman, like if we ever pissed them off the world better WATCH OUT! But as it turns out, even if you bomb the crap out of them repeatedly apparently they have nothing, really. They can just annoy ships in the Hormuz Strait once in a while, that's it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump didn't "unmask" s*it. The only one who believed in the big world-destroying Iranian boogeyman were paranoid right-wingers who live in a different reality.

The only one who got unmasked was Trump, the guy who somehow claims to have defeated Iran repeatedly, yet Iran still stands and controls the region.

You're not winning that war, sorry (assuming you even believe the war is even happening). Your favourite guy will go down as a loser in the history books because of it.