question about batman animated series dvd - Page 2

*Dr. Doom* · 12-20-2006, 01:34 PM

No, I think that was season 4.

And yeah, Trouble In Tokyo was luke warm at best (especially for what was supposed to be a movie), though it did make me laugh at several points.

*DrSpengler* · 12-20-2006, 01:49 PM

It would've been alright if it hadn't been the "grand finale" since it wasn't final in any way at all.

The plot was thin-enough that it probably could have just been a normal half hour episode and nothing would have been lost in the translation.

As it stands, it's just "ZOMG Japan is kewl because that's where anime comes frum!!1!!"

Oh, and hooray, Starfire kissed Robin.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 12-22-2006, 11:47 PM

So wait .. from what i am reading from you guys, teen titans and The Batman have finished for good?

and I can't believe that from you said that episode of the batman was good, i can't believe I was lucky to see a great one. In fact it was great.. Seeing the guy who worked on the show was from Gargoyles I was shocked..

Gargoyles rules.

*DrSpengler* · 12-23-2006, 12:05 AM

Teen Titans is kaput, though the Teen Titans Go comic is still moving along. I don't read it, though, so I don't know if it's tying up any of the loose ends from the TV series (the Go comic is canon with the cartoon).

The Batman is still on the air and has yet to be cancelled.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-23-2006, 05:45 AM

Unfrotunatly, the "Go" comic does'nt really continue the series in a really good way, they HAVE introduced Wonder Girl, but the comic is ten times more childish than the cartoon, so don't expect anything darker. It really pales in contrast to some of the interesting things Bongo comics have done with Futurama, which had this really good arc bringing back Farnsworth's original Planet Express crew.

Spawn Guy · 12-23-2006, 07:36 AM

The Batman is an okay show. It picked its self up after the first season, and what I've seen of season four makes up for everything wrong with season three. Even Batgirl surprisingly enough, but that is still the worst outfit ever designed. I really think people should stop comparing it to BTAS though; it can't reach those kinds of heights given how and when its made. Its just fun, not particularly thought provoking.

Teen Titans made up for everything wrong with its design by having an overall plot for the seasons to follow. Although it did try to follow JLU a little too closely and wound up giving itself more unresolved stuff by the end, which is a pity because the previous arcs always wrapped everything up and moved on. The Terra thing...it's worse than Batman shooting Black Manta really. Why do it if you can't build on it? I get that the point of the episode was letting go but do the questions have to be that big? As for Red X's identity, I don't actually mind. You know enough about the comics, he's either the Ravenger trying to get Daddy's attention or Jason Todd playing Red Hood. He's the anti Robin; everything bad about Robin without actually being Robin. Not a lot more explanation needed. And given how much depth the show goes into about the identity of the villains it's really not that much of a loss if the mask doesn't come off. One less charecter for Scott Menville to do anyway, I just can't stand the sound of his voice

But yeah, like everyone says, buy the BTAS stuff.

That is what we were talking about right?

~~LogicDonny~~ · 12-23-2006, 02:29 PM

Yep that what I was askign about. However talking about the other cartoons is ok as well. It will give me idea. I will defiently be buying beyond and justice league. I still want to get mask of the phatasm.. Excellent batman cartoon movie.

~~AquaParade~~ · 12-23-2006, 04:32 PM

I can vouch for BTAS season 1, which i picked up about a year ago. Real good stuff. How do the rest of the season sets compare to that one?

Jon · 12-23-2006, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Underoath740

I can vouch for BTAS season 1, which i picked up about a year ago. Real good stuff. How do the rest of the season sets compare to that one?

Pretty much on-par. Though Volume 4 (the Kids WB run) does have a change in animation style, but still has some great episodes.

Spawn Guy · 12-23-2006, 04:59 PM

The story quality in the last season...I wouldn't say it goes down, but the older seasons are a lot deeper. Its not bad, it actually resembles some of the better plots from The Batman.

*DrSpengler* · 12-23-2006, 08:08 PM

Animation-wise, volume 4 is MUCH more consistent than 1-3. All the episodes for the New Batman Adventures were done by TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha), while Batman TAS was done by a combination of TMS and various Chinese and Korean studios of lesser quality. Ther esult was violently fluctuating animation quality, with TMS always at the lead.

Well, all of TNBA was done by TMS, and as a matter of fact, TMS had gotten SO good at animating the show, that Timm and Dini gave them free reign to storyboard and direct the animation. They basically just handed the scripts over to Japan and let them do their thing, something that rarely EVER happens with American animation using a Japanese studio. The result is really very good.

The stories aren't as dark as TAS and the character models are a bit more stylized and "sillier", but the series has some of the strongest episodes of the entire show. I mean "Legends of the Dark Knight" was a work of genius, "Mad Love" is one of the strongest and darkest character pieces in the series and "Over the Edge" is one of the most violent episodes of any American cartoon I've ever seen (given the time period, anyhow).

TNBA also introduced a few comedy relief episodes to the series, something TAS rarely had. "Joker's Millions" is hilarious and "Beware the Creeper" wins solely for Jeff Bennet's performance as the title character.

TNBA, while the animation style was a bit less dark than TAS, the overall direction for most of the characters was down a darker path. Dick Grayson turned into Angsty McEmo as Nightwing, with "Old Wounds" covering that pretty well. Batman-himself almost completely shed his happy Bruce Wayne facade, being dark and brooding in both identities. He even crosses the "do not kill" line in the episode "Cold Comfort", where he willingly tries to kill Mr. Freeze.

I really liked TNBA, even if it was different. Some great animation and many of the best episodes of the series. If you have volumes 1-3 then you would be doing yourself a disservice to skip this one.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-23-2006, 08:25 PM

If you want the award for "disturbing s*it", I could also recommend the episode of NBA where Clayface produces a "scout" from his body that takes the form of an eight year old girl who falls in love with Robin

*DrSpengler* · 12-23-2006, 08:32 PM

That was gross. Sad ending, too.

I'm also quite fond of "No Fear". At first I didn't think it was fair that they recast the voice of the Scarecrow, but when I discovered they recast him with Jeffrey Combs I was all for it. A version of the Scarecrow that was actually SCARY! Holy crap! A shame Combs only played the character in that one episode and the video game.

There were a few character developments in TNBA I wasn't very fond of. I really liked the happy ending they gave Mr. Freeze in "Sub-Zero". I mean, did he really deserve to have his life get THAT MUCH worse in "Cold Comfort"? And then "Meltdown" happened in Batman Beyond and CRAP! Mr. Freeze is Paul Dini's whipping boy.

The aforementioned episode "Growing Pains", with the return of Clayface was really good...but I kinda felt that it took away the sympathetic nature of Clayface's character and turned him into just another psychotic thug.

The underuse of the Riddler was a crime, too.

That's about the extent of my complaints.

~~LogicDonny~~ · 12-23-2006, 10:50 PM

Well I will still buy it despite the not so good of vol 4..

Now since you discuss alot about vol 4 let's talk about the movies..

besides mask of teh phantasm, are all the other ones good?

*DrSpengler* · 12-23-2006, 11:23 PM

My reviews for:

Mask of the Phantasm

Sub-Zero

Return of the Joker

As for Mystery of the Batwoman: it sucks, provides no closure, has underwhelming animation, BAD music and several different voice actors for established characters. The only Batman animated movie I truly dislike.

*Spitfire* · 12-24-2006, 03:31 AM

I just got the Batman Beyond DVD box sets. There's a 3rd one coming out to I guess. Anyways I like it so far. I haven't seen these in years.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-24-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

As for Mystery of the Batwoman: it sucks, provides no closure, has underwhelming animation, BAD music and several different voice actors for established characters. The only Batman animated movie I truly dislike.

...And the hilarious note is that there's a five minute jazz based musical short on the MOTB DVD that's far superior to the movie

By the way Speng, Mr. Freeze's treatment is'nt just confined to him, in one of the last issues of Dark Knight Adventures it's implied Nora Fries spent her entire life searching for his head...(this was set after "Cold Comfort")

*DrSpengler* · 12-24-2006, 12:58 PM

I really ought to read the Adventures comics. So much good stuff apparently happened in there (like Joe Chill or Zod in Superman Adventures).

12-20-2006, 01:34 PM	#21
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	No, I think that was season 4. And yeah, Trouble In Tokyo was luke warm at best (especially for what was supposed to be a movie), though it did make me laugh at several points. __________________ I love you, Pickle.

12-23-2006, 05:45 AM	#25
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,494	Unfrotunatly, the "Go" comic does'nt really continue the series in a really good way, they HAVE introduced Wonder Girl, but the comic is ten times more childish than the cartoon, so don't expect anything darker. It really pales in contrast to some of the interesting things Bongo comics have done with Futurama, which had this really good arc bringing back Farnsworth's original Planet Express crew. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-23-2006, 07:36 AM	#26
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	The Batman is an okay show. It picked its self up after the first season, and what I've seen of season four makes up for everything wrong with season three. Even Batgirl surprisingly enough, but that is still the worst outfit ever designed. I really think people should stop comparing it to BTAS though; it can't reach those kinds of heights given how and when its made. Its just fun, not particularly thought provoking. Teen Titans made up for everything wrong with its design by having an overall plot for the seasons to follow. Although it did try to follow JLU a little too closely and wound up giving itself more unresolved stuff by the end, which is a pity because the previous arcs always wrapped everything up and moved on. The Terra thing...it's worse than Batman shooting Black Manta really. Why do it if you can't build on it? I get that the point of the episode was letting go but do the questions have to be that big? As for Red X's identity, I don't actually mind. You know enough about the comics, he's either the Ravenger trying to get Daddy's attention or Jason Todd playing Red Hood. He's the anti Robin; everything bad about Robin without actually being Robin. Not a lot more explanation needed. And given how much depth the show goes into about the identity of the villains it's really not that much of a loss if the mask doesn't come off. One less charecter for Scott Menville to do anyway, I just can't stand the sound of his voice But yeah, like everyone says, buy the BTAS stuff. That is what we were talking about right? __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

12-23-2006, 04:59 PM	#30
Spawn Guy Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth 616 Posts: 1,481	The story quality in the last season...I wouldn't say it goes down, but the older seasons are a lot deeper. Its not bad, it actually resembles some of the better plots from The Batman. __________________ *THE TECHNODROME'S LITTLE YELLOW BOX LOVER* madpiratebunny (19:26:51): oh goodness, I've got an idea SpawnGuyThing (19:26:57): Do tell madpiratebunny (19:27:02): nononono madpiratebunny (19:27:05): no telling SpawnGuyThing (19:27:10): ... SpawnGuyThing (19:27:27): But I'm the imaginery friend you always wanted SpawnGuyThing (19:27:36): Your supposed to tell me everything

12-23-2006, 08:25 PM	#32
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,494	If you want the award for "disturbing sit", I could also recommend the episode of NBA where Clayface produces a "scout" from his body that takes the form of an eight year old girl who falls in love with Robin* __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

12-20-2006, 01:49 PM	#22
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	It would've been alright if it hadn't been the "grand finale" since it wasn't final in any way at all. The plot was thin-enough that it probably could have just been a normal half hour episode and nothing would have been lost in the translation. As it stands, it's just "ZOMG Japan is kewl because that's where anime comes frum!!1!!" Oh, and hooray, Starfire kissed Robin.

12-22-2006, 11:47 PM	#23
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	So wait .. from what i am reading from you guys, teen titans and The Batman have finished for good? and I can't believe that from you said that episode of the batman was good, i can't believe I was lucky to see a great one. In fact it was great.. Seeing the guy who worked on the show was from Gargoyles I was shocked.. Gargoyles rules.

12-23-2006, 12:05 AM	#24
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Teen Titans is kaput, though the Teen Titans Go comic is still moving along. I don't read it, though, so I don't know if it's tying up any of the loose ends from the TV series (the Go comic is canon with the cartoon). The Batman is still on the air and has yet to be cancelled.

12-23-2006, 02:29 PM	#27
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	Yep that what I was askign about. However talking about the other cartoons is ok as well. It will give me idea. I will defiently be buying beyond and justice league. I still want to get mask of the phatasm.. Excellent batman cartoon movie.

12-23-2006, 04:32 PM	#28
~~AquaParade~~ Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 8,450	I can vouch for BTAS season 1, which i picked up about a year ago. Real good stuff. How do the rest of the season sets compare to that one?

12-23-2006, 08:08 PM	#31
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Animation-wise, volume 4 is MUCH more consistent than 1-3. All the episodes for the New Batman Adventures were done by TMS (Tokyo Movie Shinsha), while Batman TAS was done by a combination of TMS and various Chinese and Korean studios of lesser quality. Ther esult was violently fluctuating animation quality, with TMS always at the lead. Well, all of TNBA was done by TMS, and as a matter of fact, TMS had gotten SO good at animating the show, that Timm and Dini gave them free reign to storyboard and direct the animation. They basically just handed the scripts over to Japan and let them do their thing, something that rarely EVER happens with American animation using a Japanese studio. The result is really very good. The stories aren't as dark as TAS and the character models are a bit more stylized and "sillier", but the series has some of the strongest episodes of the entire show. I mean "Legends of the Dark Knight" was a work of genius, "Mad Love" is one of the strongest and darkest character pieces in the series and "Over the Edge" is one of the most violent episodes of any American cartoon I've ever seen (given the time period, anyhow). TNBA also introduced a few comedy relief episodes to the series, something TAS rarely had. "Joker's Millions" is hilarious and "Beware the Creeper" wins solely for Jeff Bennet's performance as the title character. TNBA, while the animation style was a bit less dark than TAS, the overall direction for most of the characters was down a darker path. Dick Grayson turned into Angsty McEmo as Nightwing, with "Old Wounds" covering that pretty well. Batman-himself almost completely shed his happy Bruce Wayne facade, being dark and brooding in both identities. He even crosses the "do not kill" line in the episode "Cold Comfort", where he willingly tries to kill Mr. Freeze. I really liked TNBA, even if it was different. Some great animation and many of the best episodes of the series. If you have volumes 1-3 then you would be doing yourself a disservice to skip this one.

12-23-2006, 08:32 PM	#33
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	That was gross. Sad ending, too. I'm also quite fond of "No Fear". At first I didn't think it was fair that they recast the voice of the Scarecrow, but when I discovered they recast him with Jeffrey Combs I was all for it. A version of the Scarecrow that was actually SCARY! Holy crap! A shame Combs only played the character in that one episode and the video game. There were a few character developments in TNBA I wasn't very fond of. I really liked the happy ending they gave Mr. Freeze in "Sub-Zero". I mean, did he really deserve to have his life get THAT MUCH worse in "Cold Comfort"? And then "Meltdown" happened in Batman Beyond and CRAP! Mr. Freeze is Paul Dini's whipping boy. The aforementioned episode "Growing Pains", with the return of Clayface was really good...but I kinda felt that it took away the sympathetic nature of Clayface's character and turned him into just another psychotic thug. The underuse of the Riddler was a crime, too. That's about the extent of my complaints.

12-23-2006, 10:50 PM	#34
~~LogicDonny~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,643	Well I will still buy it despite the not so good of vol 4.. Now since you discuss alot about vol 4 let's talk about the movies.. besides mask of teh phantasm, are all the other ones good?

12-23-2006, 11:23 PM	#35
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	My reviews for: Mask of the Phantasm Sub-Zero Return of the Joker As for Mystery of the Batwoman: it sucks, provides no closure, has underwhelming animation, BAD music and several different voice actors for established characters. The only Batman animated movie I truly dislike.

12-24-2006, 03:31 AM	#36
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I just got the Batman Beyond DVD box sets. There's a 3rd one coming out to I guess. Anyways I like it so far. I haven't seen these in years. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

12-24-2006, 12:58 PM	#38
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I really ought to read the Adventures comics. So much good stuff apparently happened in there (like Joe Chill or Zod in Superman Adventures).