TMNT (2007) Original Motion Picture Soundtrack

[iris]

Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

So Marco's not doing the score, that's disapointing, and the reason being because it sounded too dark, oh for god's sake!
I don't like where they're going with this.

I don't know. I'm all for "dark and brooding," but it has to fit the movie... and it has to fit the turtles. I think they're a little more rock n roll than gothic fugue.

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by NIN Dark Knight

There's a new magazine out called 'Rocket' which features Ghost Rider on the cover but has a 4 page spread about TMNT. The interview is with Kevin Munroe and it's pretty enlightening, although most of it is stuff we've heard already. However...

On the last page they are asked about the soundtrack. Munroe replies that 'Panic at the Disco' is featured, then later he mentions 'Green Day', to what's happening now and hip-hop. I'm sorry I don't recall exactly what was said but if anyone can find the magazine it's there. I saw it at Borders earlier.

One thing that really bothered me was in that same reply he mentioned that they had to tone down Marco Beltrami's scrore (Hellboy and T3) because it was 'too dark' for fight scenes and they had to 'lighten it up'. I'm not sure how Klaus' name got linked with the score but Munroe clearly states Beltrami. I just don't want to hear Green Day over a fight scene or that "band" Panic at the Disco...

The score was too dark?

Unless there were clear refrences to satan in it I don't see what made it so bad. They said they were going for a darker feel to the movie, yet the felt they needed to lighten the score?

It better fit, can't we get some samples here?

[Raph'N'Roll]

The idea of Raph and Leo kicking the crap out of each other to some heavy metal crap sounds terrible.

Does anyone know who's score it is with the new trailer?
If it is Klaus, well it sounds great, but if it is still Marco I think they've made a big mistake taking it from his hands.

[sdp]

Music can be very dark no need to mention 'satan' or anything, its like an insult to music (sorry if i over reacted but i love music).

Shame that the score was changed hopefully the new soundtrack is still somewhat dark, i'll try to be positive by thinking that maybe a really dark soundtrack wouldn't be the best for TMNT even if its a gritier movie.

Metal on fightscenes is usually good, i mean i enjoy an epic score for fight scenes as well but 'loud' music also goes well in fight scenes.

Hopefully the soundtrack is good.

I guess that is the reason the videogame was not able to have music from the movie since they changed it. I read they had to make their own 'turtle' music.

[CJStyles]

As long as there are guitar riffs in fight scenes its all good lol

[Raph'N'Roll]

I love guitar music, but if I want to hear that I'll go to a gig.
Big orchestral scores give movies bigger scope and really make a film, they're so much more dramatic and exciting, they create atmosphere, keep chart music for movies like The last Kiss or It's A Boy Girl Thing.

I'm so disapointed that they changed Marco's score, I'm not looking forward to the movie as much now, they seem to be moving away from the atmosphere created by the teaser by too far a margin and it's bloody frustrating.
I was delighted when I heard he was doing it, he seems like a really well respected composer, who's done tracks for some big franchise movies as well as other good action/sci-fi flicks.
But it's not to be

[ThemanthatwouldbeRaphael]

Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

I love guitar music, but if I want to hear that I'll go to a gig.
Big orchestral scores give movies bigger scope and really make a film, they're so much more dramatic and exciting, they create atmosphere, keep chart music for movies like The last Kiss or It's A Boy Girl Thing.

I'm so disapointed that they changed Marco's score, I'm not looking forward to the movie as much now, they seem to be moving away from the atmosphere created by the teaser by too far a margin and it's bloody frustrating.
I was delighted when I heard he was doing it, he seems like a really well respected composer, who's done tracks for some big franchise movies as well as other good action/sci-fi flicks.
But it's not to be

I hope the dude doesn't just reuse the Pirates score with a ninja mix to it.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

The idea of Raph and Leo kicking the crap out of each other to some heavy metal crap sounds terrible.

Metal crap? I don't know what metal you listen to but it's one of the most talent based genres out there. Sadly bands like Lamb Of God and Slipsuck ruin that imagine by being the most mainstream. So everyone's out look on metal is bad. While bands like Arch Enemy or Children Of Bodom are over looked, both of which contain some extremely talented musicians. Or played off because people would rather hear some guy cry over the microphone like he's doing a ballad instead of growling or screaming vocals.

Metal and clean vocals DO NOT and NEVER WILL go together. I don't get why people just won't understand that.

[Raph'N'Roll]

This is kinda off subject, but I'm not saying all metal artists are crap, while their lyrics and guitar hooks might be good, the way they scream and shout down the mike is not singing and I really hate the whole aggressive attitude/evil image these types of bands love to project.

[Spitfire]

Metal is about anger, that's the point. You can't get anger across by singing like your auditioning for American Idol.

And while some bands do project the image of worshiping Satan the good bands I'm speaking of do not and hardly promote that dark devil worshiper look.

Also anger and depression can go hand in hand, bands like Dark Tranquility use deep growling vocals and have some really good lyrics.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

This is kinda off subject, but I'm not saying all metal artists are crap, while their lyrics and guitar hooks might be good, the way they scream and shout down the mike is not singing and I really hate the whole aggressive attitude/evil image these types of bands love to project.

Exactly why I hate Metal.

[Spitfire]

I guess I'm a talent based person, Rock is not half as talented as metal. And American metal is just above rock but still not as talented as European metal.

Classical stuff is usually boring because I've heard it all a million times over. Orchestral pieces are good for movies but they don't hold over well for something to sit down and listen to.

I have however become fond of the soundtracks for a few video games, Devil May Cry, Silent Hill, and Resident Evil. I actually bought the soundtrack for DMC and DMC 2. Oddly enough I find techno to be the most talentless brand of music next to rap but it still stimulates me.

But when it comes to guitars and drums I was screaming solos and impressive drum beats. Rock bands cannot deliver that in the least. And while the singer might be a good singer the band itself sucks. Most bands don't have solos in every song but that's what I love. I love to hear guys shred on guitar and you just don't get that in American music because for some reason us Americans just aren't as good of musicians as Europeans. It's always been that way in my opinion. There's exceptions to everything but all the good stuff that influences our rock and metal is European.

Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Rainbow, Dio, Scorpions, UFO, M.S.G., The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Who, and Yngwie Malmsteen. By far the best examples of what Europe has to offer.

[syk_skillz]

PLEASE NO METAL!!!
I can stand rock (Something like hero from the first Spider-Man movie would be ok with me)
I was raised on hiphop and rap (Not the mainstream crap of today) and can tell you if Metal is a main genre on the soundtrack I will stay way clear from purchasing the CD and it will ruin many parts for me and many that dislike the genre also throughout the movie. Metal is mostly a genre that you love or hate and I feel it will cut into sales for the CD and get on peoples nerve whom don't like it. I feel they should stick to a mix of Rock/HipHop with a very memorable ending-credits song like on all 3 of the other movies.

[Spitfire]

Kind alike how rap and rock music gets on my nerves and people like me won't buy the CD and would ruin parts of the movie for myself.

Funny how that works both ways?

I'm not saying Metal should be the soundtrack hell I just want orchestral music myself but if I had to pick I'd prefer a Batman Beyond-ish soundtrack to some hip hop beats.

[mikey2007]

i listen to every kind of music, but as far as metal is concerned, i love it just as much, but when the whole song is just a guy screaming so much that u can't understand a word he says, that's just not entertaining and i like them for the instrument playin and beats. screaming can be fine, but in moderation, it needs to be mixed with normal singing, for example Killswitch Engage or Mushroomhead, lol i know i'll prolly get more people complaining about them, but like i said, i listen to everything because i love music period, so sue me

[Venom Symbiote]

Ok, I don't want to come off sounding like a bastard here, but pretty-much everything Spitfire's just said about metal is wrong.

Clean vocals don't go hand-in-hand with metal? Are you kidding? Iron Maiden, anyone? Blind Guardian? Just about any power-metal band? Hell, the guy singing in Falconer is a professional opera performer.

Growling is the thing that's out of place in heavy metal, that only came later. With Hetfield and Mustaine and stuff, thrash. Traditional metal? Aside from maybe Ozzy and Lemmy, metal was always reasonably high-pitched and melodic in terms of vocalization.

Just pointing that out. Vocals like Trivium and System Of A Down are a new-ish phenomenon, not really representative of heavy metal music as a whole. Bruce Dickinson's singing is the type of thing you should be looking at when describing this type of music. That style.

Oh, and for the record, Ronnie James Dio is a New Yorker. Not European.

Also, heavy metal is rock music. Just as punk or new-wave or indie or ska are essentially rock music. Sub-genres.

Now, as much of a metal fan as I am, it's simply not right for the Turtles anyway. Non-lyrical orchestral score with maybe one or two goofy gimmick songs thrown in (a la the '90s flicks) is the way to go here.

[syk_skillz]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Kind alike how rap and rock music gets on my nerves and people like me won't buy the CD and would ruin parts of the movie for myself.

Funny how that works both ways?

I'm not saying Metal should be the soundtrack hell I just want orchestral music myself but if I had to pick I'd prefer a Batman Beyond-ish soundtrack to some hip hop beats.

I understand that. Thing is rock is accepted by more people and would make for better sales. Also I didn't say rap, I said Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop and Rap are 2 different things. Metal is a sub-genre of Rock as Rap is a sub-genre of Hip-Hop.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Venom Symbiote

Ok, I don't want to come off sounding like a bastard here, but pretty-much everything Spitfire's just said about metal is wrong.

Clean vocals don't go hand-in-hand with metal? Are you kidding? Iron Maiden, anyone? Blind Guardian? Just about any power-metal band? Hell, the guy singing in Falconer is a professional opera performer.

Growling is the thing that's out of place in heavy metal, that only came later. With Hetfield and Mustaine and stuff, thrash. Traditional metal? Aside from maybe Ozzy and Lemmy, metal was always reasonably high-pitched and melodic in terms of vocalization.

Just pointing that out. Vocals like Trivium and System Of A Down are a new-ish phenomenon, not really representative of heavy metal music as a whole. Bruce Dickinson's singing is the type of thing you should be looking at when describing this type of music. That style.

Oh, and for the record, Ronnie James Dio is a New Yorker. Not European.

Also, heavy metal is rock music. Just as punk or new-wave or indie or ska are essentially rock music. Sub-genres.

I wasn't refereing to the older styles of metal. Obviously they go fine with that being as how that was how it was back then. NOW OF DAYS IN THE PRESENT, riffs are alot harsher and metal is alot stronger. People tune down lower and high pitch vocals do not sound good at all with with people playing in drop D.

Metal is a harsher version of rock, other then them using the same instruments their nothing alike.

James hardly growls, he yells. Same with Mustaine. You have no concept of what growling vocals are obviously.

Yeah Dio is from New York but he performed in many European bands and is currently bringing Sabbath back together as Heaven And Hell and doing a tour.

You can talk about 80's metal all you want newer metal maybe influenced by it but it's alot harsher and with harsher riffs comes in with harsher vocals. Have Bruce sing for Arch Enemy, or Dimmu Borgir and see how that sounds. When you have clean vocals in metal it ends up sounding like Into Eternity or *shivers* new Soilwork. It sounds terrible. Yeah it worked int he 80's and early 90's but it doesn't fly anymore.

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by RAPH 'N' ROLL

I'm so disapointed that they changed Marco's score, I'm not looking forward to the movie as much now, they seem to be moving away from the atmosphere created by the teaser by too far a margin and it's bloody frustrating.
I was delighted when I heard he was doing it, he seems like a really well respected composer, who's done tracks for some big franchise movies as well as other good action/sci-fi flicks.
But it's not to be

Actually, I have always found Marco's scores to be quite dull. His emotionless score to T3 falls flat next to Brad Feidel's score on T2. The score on Hellboy was his best. Scream, other than Sydney's theme, pretty much became the template for most of his scores, and was even stuffed into Halloween H20.

If you ask me. John Ottman or Steve Jablonsky. Jablonsky, of course, composed for The Island(check out the My Name is Lincoln track), The Texas Chainsaw Remake(which I thought his score was the only positive thing about the film) and is working on the upcoming Transformers score. Ottman updated John Williams' Superman score for Superman Returns, and worked on Fantastic Four, X2, the good music from Halloween H20, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and the guy can double bill as an editor as well.

I also kinda wish they could throw in a little bit of DuPrez's score from the first TMNT film. Not really the main theme, but the subtle themes, like the one that plays when Raph is looking out of the sewer lid at April at the beginning. It has this kinda subtle eastern sound to it.

As far as Bladelt goes..I ain't too sure on the guy. The score for Pirates of the Caribbean is an amazing score, but I can never determine how much of it is his and how much of it is Hans Zimmer. Bladelt is credited for the first score, but Zimmer apparently worked on it as well, and takes the credit for the second film's score, which, other than a few themes, is mainly a rehash of the first film's score. Badelt aslo score Ultraviolet, but for the life of me, I cant remember that score, and that movie was so horrid, that I dont even want to remember it.

[Masked Ninja]

I frequent a site that streams soundtracks, and another score by Badelt (The Time Machine) comes up a lot, and it sounds pretty good. From what I hear, he's kinda like a student of Hans Zimmer, so we might get the same kind of style from him. Which would be OK by me.

I could agree with you on Jablonsky - The Island wasn't a terribly good movie, but I liked the score. I think Bedelt can pull it off, but there are so many other score composers whose takes on TMNT I can wonder about. I like being a movie score geek