this time i really made a big discovery!hoohoo!

[syd]

Originally Posted by Rooish

Syd, I think I see why Spitfire666xXxXx interpreted your thread as Don having sexual feelings for Leo. At the very start you said you were going to prove that Don has "a thing with" Leo. Sometimes saying that someone has "a thing" for another person means that they have a crush on him. Saying that someone has a thing with someone else means that they are dating or fooling around or whatever. I was confused too; I kept waiting for you to give evidence of sexual tension between the two. Doesn't mean that anyone's obsessed with sex or that Spitty is a "chick killer" or whatever (although seriously, dude -- her roommate, too? Ouch. )

Now Syd, what I think you were seeing in that episode was evidence that Raph was trying to lead his brothers while Leo was gone, which is why he was so protective of Don and Mike (not that they usually can't look after themselves ). Probably for no real reason, Leo was distracted by his fighting with the mutants and he got separated from his brothers. Maybe there was a little distance between Leo and the other three when Leo got back, but it quickly dissipated.

I agree with LeonardoMystic's and Sage Ninja's interpretation of Don's and Leo's relationship. I don't think Don would ever want to lead; he is the perfect Number Two and would not be able to deal with Raph's and Mike's disobedience. I think he also tries to help Leo maintain his confidence as leader; when he sees flaws in Leo's strategies, I suspect that he pulls Leo aside to tell him, so that Raph and Mike don't hear.

Because Don is nice, and he knows Leo is a bit insecure about his ability to lead, Don probably keeps quiet when he thinks Leo has made a strategic error, and then Don tries to correct it subtly, so no one notices. This isn't a rivalry, it is Don's attempt to keep Leo feeling secure, even though Don might disagree with Leo more often than he expresses. (That's my theory, anyway.)

I wish they did show Leo's and Don's relationship more in 2k3, because I really like it.

now this is more like a debate!i like the way y talk Rooish,u not only point out where my mistake is but also present the whole details of it,why it is not correct,its origin,etc.and u put things into peace and clear unlike someone just buzz in yelling"ur writing is incomperhensible!"then buzz out or just crazily claim its lock on account that it was I who OT in the first place.
i like u Rooish,u brought the light.and although our diverge is there,i just like u.especially ur ava.
now i appology for my ignorance of the meaning of that focus sentence in the very beginning of my theory.but it wasn't put down throughout my essay,and at the end of it there was my point too,was that not enough to assist the understanding of that vague line?nothing bad,i just think that at the lest of the lest one shoulda go through the beginning and the end of other's thread before he brings his opinion forward.he who never takes what u say seriously does not show u respect at all.like someone just"oh lock this thread lock this thread pleaze!it's never on topic!"meanwhile all he could add in his reply to this thread was "where are u from?"this type of person really kills me.

Originally Posted by Wanda

Uh, English isn't my mothertongue and I'm not sure I understand what's this thread about. But I would like to try to bring a new point of view to this spesific part of the matter.

I do some writing myself, including manuscripts for puppet animations. I understand it the way that the line "(--) Raph took out (--)" was written in the story just to tell the audience where Don had gotten that ooze he was investigating. If I remember right, they actually didn't show us Don collecting any samples. So it seems to me a mere way not to confuse the observant viewers.

And I'm the kind of scriptwriter who just loves to write a bunch of little meaningless things in my movies...it's so Hollywood to me that every little thing is so significant to the major plot or something...like when someone drops a pen it's just that s/he could notice a bomb hidden under a table and stuff like that.

yes,u r right at some point,that line does play a role of clarifing the facts to viewers,in general speaking,or seperate view.that's why i brought up the previous events and lines all together before exposing this part and coming to an conclusion.
and i agree with u that some apparently looking meaningless things sometimes trun out to be astouishingly significant to the major idea of the visonaries of plot.

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Ugh. Why is this still going?

First of all, if Don did have a thing for Leo...wouldn't that be incestuous?

Second of all, this has gone way off topic, if there even was a clear cut topic in the first place.

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

syd's point from what I can glean from all of this (putting aside the incest/gay aspect): Is there a some what of a rivalary between Leo and Don?

And I think most have of us are of agreement that there isn't one because Don is to nice and also confident enough in his own sphere of influence (science/engineering) to tread on Leo's territory, and vise verca.



this portion I think syd brings up valid question. Is the mild mannered science guy the only side of to his personality? I think as fans have a tendacy to over simplify and stero-type our turtles by their most promominent defining characterists. I've noticed that Don is easily the nicest and most approuchable turtle in the bunch that lets every one be, but there has been, on occassion, where Don has used his intelliengce and obvious smarts in a mildly condensending sort of way toward the other turtles. In fact there are times where he can be pretty snarky. So he isn't just the nice guy that never sublely puts other down. However, it is rare and it's ushally only subtley done.

u r right,i meant that donnie had animosity against leo.and u got a objective view.and hey,that's my theory,happy to take challenges.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by syd

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?

Was there really a need to insult him?

[Masked Ninja]

An interesting thought is brought up here about a less-manifest, more assertive side to Donatello's personality...

...but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of taking-offense-at-nothing and random insults, which are combining to make my head hurt.

[syd]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

Was there really a need to insult him?

no i didn't.why would u take that a insult?

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by syd

no i didn't.why would u take that a insult?

It's the way you're wording things man. Everyones taking what you say the wrong way.

[syd]

Originally Posted by Putrescent

It's the way you're wording things man. Everyones taking what you say the wrong way.

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Isn't this about the 2003 series? Such treads should be moved to http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by syd

oh like i really care about ur colorful sexual life.
why did u tell us ur rabbit-like habit?for it's interesting to kno that i just asked u how many that word u have said.and u told me that u r rabbits.
u really got a good sense of humor.dude.

Not that you'll understand this but it's a phrase. I couldn't begin to count was what I was getting at. And really who counts how many times they've made whoppie? I know I don't.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by syd

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?

Yeah, so um I didn't get any of that.

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by syd

hello,im from japan,why?0xo

So why is your IP Address from China then?

[Ra]

Originally Posted by Masked Ninja

An interesting thought is brought up here about a less-manifest, more assertive side to Donatello's personality...

...but unfortunately there seems to be a lot of taking-offense-at-nothing and random insults, which are combining to make my head hurt.

I second that emotion. I think we aren't really achieving anything from this... *sighs* Just...just stop fighting, okay? No matter how you look at it, things are starting to turn into a full-blown fight.

Okay, after reading through the first post, all I can say is this - Donnie is not holding any contempt against Leo. He may feel a little envious, as most brothers do in their young age, but the two of them usually get along great together.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

Originally Posted by TheCure

That's how I roll.

Dude. Why are you posting pictures of my girlfriend?

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

So why is your IP Address from China then?

He's probably using a wild card, or IP masker. Common practice for people who heavily pirate or get banned alot.

[syd]

i got fed up,if someone like paly fool,do it.i think there still are some good people here would like to be on topic.and i appreciate them.

then... dude Spit,im sorry i confused u by asking u that question,but now u get ur damn reply killed me too.well kinda...even up.0.o
and i like using proxies.get used to it.

and whatever whose girlfriend that atrocious rubber is,i really feel sorry for him.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by syd

could u just give a little bit more details about it i beg u,for so far u EVERYONE takes my wording wrong i myself can't get one clue and all.
like that guy,Sewer Bull,i have to mention him,though i hate to mention someone ignore my thread.u kno,that guy frauded some craps as a quotation from my thread,i hate someone fraud me as hell,especially that kinda clumsy fraud.and his fraud is the clumsiest one iv ever seen.even more rediculous thing is that when i asked him about that crap he did to me,he gave a "what the hell?" i wonder what sort of psycho he is.then a while he suddenly emerged and asperse that iv insulted people,and he never said normally like"it's overdone to insult him"or something like that he just kept asking me a damn question illogical enough to kill me every time he replied here.and he can not stop pretending to be so innocent and rolling his big eyeballs in the meantime.what's wrong with him?is he boring?

Oh well. That mischievous "FRAUD" you're talking about was just a brief summary of the bullcrap you put in your inept Opening Post. Sorry if you didn't catch that, but all I understood from that lengthy incoherent babble was just Donatello having hots for Leonardo - and I think I wasn't the only one.

I have that feeling you have already been on this board, but got banned a long time ago. And now you returned, confusing everyone with your crazy topics and "just accidentally" insulting everyone around with a bad choice of words.

[gobo]

I saw that coming... We aren't trying to be disrespectful by goofing around. We just don't care to look like fools while trying to interpret you.

Back on topic, I agree with Sage and Roo.

[syd]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

Oh well. That mischievous "FRAUD" you're talking about was just a brief summary of the bullcrap you put in your inept Opening Post. Sorry if you didn't catch that, but all I understood from that lengthy incoherent babble was just Donatello having hots for Leonardo - and I think I wasn't the only one.

I have that feeling you have already been on this board, but got banned a long time ago. And now you returned, confusing everyone with your crazy topics and "just accidentally" insulting everyone around with a bad choice of words.

that's funny,someone just see all u thread sexually relevant.and they find difficulty to sum up what u thread normally and naturally,they just wanna screw u and waht u thread all the time.and usually this type of person feature that they are hot on maligning u,over and over again,when they are in their stupid mood to reply u,in the meantime,they never admit any mean of themselves they have done to u,or right fraud to be his damn innocent.they even enjoy delutions like calling u insulting everyone to pretend never insulting u,which is the most ironic part of all here.

Originally Posted by gobo

I saw that coming... We aren't trying to be disrespectful by goofing around. We just don't care to look like fools while trying to interpret you.

Back on topic, I agree with Sage and Roo.

thank u for going back on topic for a second,but i don't feel like i get at the former part,im a little sore in my gorgeous head now.

[Rooish]

Syd, thanks for the compliments. I try to see a person's point and respond to it, and I don't think it's necessary to be aggressive while pointing out someone's mistakes. But I gotta say, what did you mean by this sentence?

Originally Posted by syd

keep blowing something about incest,gay...u really think that makes u sexual?

So ... are you calling him gay? And are you using that as an insult? Because that is definitely not cool. And that other part ... I don't even understand. Do you think he's bragging about his sexuality? Because all he did was make the same comprehension mistake that a lot of us did when we read your first post ... we thought you meant that Don had a crush on Leo. Or whatever. Now, I do think people should have tried to read the rest of your post in order to understand it. But maybe your grammar made it too difficult.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by syd

i got fed up,if someone like paly fool,do it.i think there still are some good people here would like to be on topic.and i appreciate them.

then... dude Spit,im sorry i confused u by asking u that question,but now u get ur damn reply killed me too.well kinda...even up.0.o
and i like using proxies.get used to it.

and whatever whose girlfriend that atrocious rubber is,i really feel sorry for him.

My girlfriend is a him, wowie.

Yes you should feel sorry for them because how I act on here totally reflects my personality in the domain outside of the internet.

Your a strange one kid I'll give you that.

[MoreCowbell5263]

Yeah syd, I really hope you're not calling someone gay and using it as an insult. If it's one thing I hate, it's intolerance, especially when people use politically incorrect and offensive words just to call someone or something stupid. "Gay" and "retarded" used as insults bother me more than anything in the world. It's offensive, immature, and appalling (sp?).

Anyway, yeah, like some people have already said, when you say something like "this guy has a thing for this guy" or "a thing with this guy" it makes it sound like the first guy has a crush on the second one.

I would love to see Leo and Don's relationship explored more as well, but then again, seeing more Don period would make me feel good. I think each turtle has such an interesting relationship with all his brothers individually, so it's always cool to see when the turtles pair up. It seems like Leo and Raph's relationship gets the most attention. I'm not saying it's not an interesting aspect of the turtles, but there are other interesting relationships.

I like how someone, I think it was Roo but I'm not sure, stated that Don is perfectly happy being "Number 2" and supporting Leo. I would like to see Don's leadership abilities tested more often, but I think that's a good analysis of how he feels regarding leadership.