TMNT: their look in season 7

[CyberCubed]

In all seriousness, the only universes where Shredder isn't the main villain are the comics.

The new show has made it very obvious that Shredder, or the various forms of Shredder, are still the main enemy of the Turtles. Despite the fact that it may not necessarily be the same Shredder they fight against, (heck, Karai wore the Shredder armor for awhile), he's considered the main villain.

In the movies, if Shredder comes back for TMNT 5 like its hinted, then Shredder was in three out of 5 theatrical movies.

In the old toon, he was the main villain for Seasons 1-8 and got a last hurrah in Season 10.

Its really only the Mirage and Archie (kinda) comics where he wasn't the main villain, although as said the Forever War brings Shredder back again, so go figure.

[Hero]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

That was done by Adrian Barrios (character artist since day one), that's his little stamp on the left. I guess Tokka found his blog.

I looked there too, the entry with that picture linked to: http://the-5th-turtle.blogspot.com/2...neak-peek.html is saying this is the final version.

===HERO

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

In all seriousness, the only universes where Shredder isn't the main villain are the comics.

The new show has made it very obvious that Shredder, or the various forms of Shredder, are still the main enemy of the Turtles. Despite the fact that it may not necessarily be the same Shredder they fight against, (heck, Karai wore the Shredder armor for awhile), he's considered the main villain.

Which was why I was thrilled that he was mentioned in passing in the new film. While I love Shredder, he doesn't have to be the focus of the entire series, and he shouldn't be the villain to uphold the franchise. Batman fought Riddler and Penguin too, not just the Joker (dispite the fact he's the most popular of the bunch).

But if that Shredder Utrom guy whos name I'm not even going to bother to try actually does show up, and is not just an action figure design (like Murphy was sort of hinting at), there's no doubt Shredder in some shape of form will appear, albeit briefly.

[AquaParade]

I come back on the boards after a week to see those amazing concepts, and realize that they're only concepts. What a shame, the one on the right looks amazing.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by thebrownranger

It'll be just too weird to see them fight an alien bug.*sigh*.

Define "weird" in a show about mutated Turtles, talking rats, a mutilated-per-week scientist thriving on robot bodies and degenerate clone bodies, time travel, living viruses, and alternate dimension Ninjas?

Nevermind the fact that Ch'rell is arguably the longest-running Shredder on the current series, and that includes his cameo in FF. Why should Shredder have to be human? He's not even human in the comics, he's a shark/octopus/mystic hybrid right now, and before that he was cloned from worms. Not even the "definitive" one can stick to normalcy.

Do any of you remotley read TMNT at all, or do you prefer to make up it's history?

[VaughnMichael]

It's nice when other people say the things i'm thinking, so I dont have to say them...

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Do any of you remotley read TMNT at all, or do you prefer to make up it's history?

I think they prefer to read the descriptions of the comics and claim the comic adaptation episodes are accurate.

[BubblyShell22]

Even though that concept art isn't the final design, it does look good.

As for Shredder being the main bad guy, there were other villains the Turtles dealt with in the 2K3 series. The Ultimate Ninja, Drako, Lord Hebi, the Purple Dragons, Bishop, Stockman, and Savanti Romero. Yeah, Shredder seems like the main bad guy, but he wasn't present in season 4, except for Karai donning his armor and taking his place.

[Krangstein]

I don't want Ch'rell again, unless he's in the form of Shredder or Saki again

[Cure]

My main concern is not the looks but honestly Mikey, and I don't know why. Like, in the beginning of season 3, he was the man. He had good ideas, his fighting was top notch, but then it went down hill. He became the same brat that he's always been. I hope they make him better this time around, while keeping his goofiness intact.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by TheCure

My main concern is not the looks but honestly Mikey, and I don't know why. Like, in the beginning of season 3, he was the man. He had good ideas, his fighting was top notch, but then it went down hill. He became the same brat that he's always been. I hope they make him better this time around, while keeping his goofiness intact.

It's sad, but I doubt they will do that.
I'd like to see him be how he was in the Image comics tmnt series.
It'd be great to see him start writting, and trying to get published.

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by TheCure

My main concern is not the looks but honestly Mikey, and I don't know why. Like, in the beginning of season 3, he was the man. He had good ideas, his fighting was top notch, but then it went down hill. He became the same brat that he's always been. I hope they make him better this time around, while keeping his goofiness intact.

I agree completely. In season three he was starting to mature and become more capable and reliable, and in season four I was seeing the beginnings of his character really coming around and coming less silly and obnoxious, and becoming a more serious character over-all that was on par with his brothers (in his own way). Then when the show became more kiddy they went and took all that maturity he had gained in seasons three and four and made him even worse than he was in the start of the series. Heck not only did they make him childish but they made him more stupid than I've ever seen Mikey portrayed. I mean don't get me wrong Mikey in the 2k3 series was never a full time intellectual, but he was never out right stupid eighther, there was always some sublety to Mikey's character that never made you sure if he was actually dumb or not and it was done in just such a way that his times brilliance where not so out of left field and was "in character" for Mikey but also shocking enough that you would be kind of "whoa" Mikey came up with that? But now he is just bumbling moron who says things that are so stupidly out of context it hurts me. He still occassinally has "smart" moments but they are very far and in between now, and there is no sublty to him any more.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah... I didn't like how overly-exxagerated annoying Mikey was in FF. Like that tantrum thing he was throwing when he REALLLY wanted to help Don and Cody fix the time machine or whatever it was, and them making a comment about how his annoyingness had no limits or something....

But then again, FF was overly simplified and over-exxagerated with the characters. Everything Raph said was some kind of snide remark or insult, and everything Mikey said was overly childish and stupid. And they get rid of Sh'Okanbo in a one-part episode? C'mon!!

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah... I didn't like how overly-exxagerated annoying Mikey was in FF. Like that tantrum thing he was throwing when he REALLLY wanted to help Don and Cody fix the time machine or whatever it was, and them making a comment about how his annoyingness had no limits or something....

But then again, FF was overly simplified and over-exxagerated with the characters. Everything Raph said was some kind of snide remark or insult, and everything Mikey said was overly childish and stupid. And they get rid of Sh'Okanbo in a one-part episode? C'mon!!

I swear, Mikey is my tip top turtle. And it pained me to see how he acted in FF. He was dumb, he was childish... his nerdy lust for comics and fun was turned into being a 10 year old.... and as much as I liked the Turtle titans one, I felt he acted more like Darkwing Duck... if Darkwing was really immature. I hope they bring back his complexity, and don't resort to over caracaturizing his personality again.

[Revan]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that mike will never be written as a serious character in a television series. you want a serious mike? he only exists in a book, not on a television screen

[Drtooth]

Me, I'm not looking for serious Mike, I'm looking for a Mike that isn't an oversimplified bafoon. Which goes back to the main thing I had against FF. The characters were caractured, and the subtlety of their characters were blurred until they appeared cartoony in their own right. Mikey, Splinter, and Raph were horribly affected by it. Mikey became a child, Splinter became an old fogey who liked soap operas a little too much, and Raph became Oscar the Grouch. I hope we get their real personalities back this time.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that mike will never be written as a serious character in a television series. you want a serious mike? he only exists in a book, not on a television screen

I agree, and I dodn't see where everyones getting that it was just Fast Forward, If you ask me he's been pretty annoying and imature for most of the series run.

[Sage Ninja]

But then you don't really like Mikey However I do agree with you Putrescent about Mikey. He has always been immature and annoying even in the hard core days of the 2k3 series, but that was because the writers decided that funny and young=hyper active and, obnoxious. It's just that in addition to that Mikey had a sublty to him that made him more than his apprent flaws. He was a bit more dynamic. Like in the Grudge Match episode where his cocky attitude drove his family to abandon him when he was challenged for his right to be battle nexus champ. He was cocky and abrasive but he also showed a bit of vulnerablity and hurt during the episode as well as self doubt and then how noble and humble he can be. And all the while he was still his goofy and one liner cracking self, but it showed a more dynamic side to his character. And in season three and four it finnally seemed like he was growing a bit. When the show became more toned down it seemed like they striped away his nuances and just made him a cookie cutter idiotic spoiled brat just to make his character more flashy. This isn't a rant about Fast Foward just how Mikey has deevolved since the show began and his fans feel a little cheated.

[VaughnMichael]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

But then you don't really like Mikey However I do agree with you Putrescent about Mikey. He has always been immature and annoying even in the hard core days of the 2k3 series, but that was because the writers decided that funny and young=hyper active and, obnoxious. It's just that in addition to that Mikey had a sublty to him that made him more than his apprent flaws. He was a bit more dynamic. Like in the Grudge Match episode where his cocky attitude drove his family to abandon him when he was challenged for his right to be battle nexus champ. He was cocky and abrasive but he also showed a bit of vulnerablity and hurt during the episode as well as self doubt and then how noble and humble he can be. And all the while he was still his goofy and one liner cracking self, but it showed a more dynamic side to his character. And in season three and four it finnally seemed like he was growing a bit. When the show became more toned down it seemed like they striped away his nuances and just made him a cookie cutter idiotic spoiled brat just to make his character more flashy. This isn't a rant about Fast Foward just how Mikey has deevolved since the show began and his fans feel a little cheated.

You're right on that one I don't hate him but he's my least favorite turtle, always has been.
I just really don't see all that much of a differnce in 2k3 & FF Mikey they all became very relaxed after just saving the world living in a rich penthouse in the future where they could do anything they please.
So if I had that infront of me I'd probably be acting the same way.
But still even with that especially at the end they where teaching him lessons.
Allot of Fast Forward to me felt like the Mikey show which perhaps is why kids liked it so much, I don't know.
I'm a Donatello & Raphael fan so I guess that could explain why I've never been much of a Mikey fan I do like him in the Image comics and some times in Mirage. But Grudgematch was my favorite new series episode about Michaelangelo.
I also really liked Clash of the turtle titans because we saw how jelious he can be and it really taught him a lesson about being that way.

[Sage Ninja]

yeah but what has been pointed out before is it is not so much that the where giving Mikey some focus, it that they where giving him the wrong kind of focus. Alot of attention was put on Mikey's really bad habits and personality flaws and, yes I know that this was also done in 2k3, but it seemed they had a better way of balancing it out with some good or more admirable qualites. Now it just seems like all his bad qualites get glorified and exploited so that it becomes the aspect that makes up who he is.