Healthcare reform

[Leo656]

Nobody's perfect... He did do a lotta good things, though, Nancy and her "spritual advisors" notwithstanding. Plus he had a hot daughter.

I'm not a huge fan of Palin's, just think she's pretty hot for a politician with a buncha kids. But to be fair, I'm pretty certain anybody who was as inexperienced with prepared speeches and reading from a teleprompter as she apparently was would have come off sounding "confused". Not saying she's not a little "touched", not saying she really needed to be THAT high up on the totem pole, just that it can't be easy to be thrust into the global spotlight that quickly.

The whole deal with her was pretty transparent. Republicans looked at how the media was drooling over Obama from Day One, despite him pretty much being an empty suit propped up by said news media with no real accomplishments to speak of that made him, y'know, qualified, and they knew they needed to try something desperate. So they made a big fuss about his racist reverend that hates America so much, and nobody really cared about that. So then they made a bunch of noise about all his friends and supporters that were involved with the Weather Underground back in the day. Y'know, those domestic terrorists that spent the 60s and 70s trying to blow up gov't buildings, kill politicians, hid out for 15-20 years and now all teach college courses while constantly saying they "didn't do enough" to "bring down the man"? And again, nobody really paid attention. So they tried making a stink about his ACORN buddies and all their illegal shenanigans, not the least of which being how they got caught registering dead people to vote in last year's election, and again, nobody really said much.

So the Republicans, being desperate, took a long look at the Democrat opposition, one being a minority and one being a woman, and they figured out (finally) that it's all just a big popularity contest where credentials really don't matter and everyone's personal skeletons are forgiven as long as they pander to their base and wave a big enough flag. So then they said "Well hell, WE should get a token novelty candidate, too!"

And that's where they scrounged palin up from. Can't really blame 'em for it, either, it's just probably good that she didn't get to go all the way. I'd love to hear HER opinions about health care reform: "Well gosh darnit, y'know, where I'm from, if we get sick, we just skin up a few more moose carcasses for furs and guzzle some maple syrup. You betcha!"

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I remember when it was revealed that Nancy Reagan used an astrologer. A lot of people were saying, "I hope they keep the astrologer!" (Unfortunately they didn't.)

Yes, Leo just made a better case about Obama than I could have. Yes, Boris Yeltsin was certainly popular outside of Russia, but within Russia...well, to make a long story short, Obama is our Boris Yeltsin.

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Obama is our Boris Yeltsin.

No offense, but speak for yourself not the entire country.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by GK

No offense, but speak for yourself not the entire country.

Same way I feel, minus the no offense.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by TheCure

Same way I feel, minus the no offense.

I don't speak for the entire country, only the more intelligent members of it.

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I don't speak for the entire country, only the more intelligent members of it.

Well you just killed any validity of your own arguments by turning around and throwing these childish insults out there.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by GK

Well you just killed any validity of your own arguments by turning around and throwing these childish insults out there.

I'm just talking to a certain person here in the only language he can understand.

[Cure]

Hahaha, dude. You're like the king of over generalizations. Just stop.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I don't speak for the entire country, only the more intelligent members of it.

Just because you passed a 7th grade Social Studies class and remembered the name Boris Yeltsin, that doesn't make you smart. Nor should a person like you speak on behalf of the intelligent members of the country.

That would be like Reed Richards letting Corky, from Life Goes On, debate intellectually on his behalf.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Type-97 Chi-ha

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!

I hate politics. It gives us labels so we might weigh everybody's worth. We start saying things out of spite. He's a conservative, she's a liberal. He's gay, he's a social terrorist. She's black, she must be bitter about everything.


I'm a human being. I want peace and quiet. Ockham's Razor, man. . .Ockham's Razor.

Is it so bad that we have a little charity for those in tight spots?

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I don't speak for the entire country, only the more intelligent members of it.

Just throw in a couple more of these and we'll have you warned in no time.

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by voltron

i hate politics. It gives us labels so we might weigh everybody's worth. We start saying things out of spite. He's a conservative, she's a liberal. He's gay, he's a social terrorist. She's black, she must be bitter about everything.


I'm a human being. I want peace and quiet. Ockham's razor, man. . .ockham's razor.

Is it so bad that we have a little charity for those in tight spots?

COMMIE PIG!!

Get him!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

This may come as a tremendous shock to you, but you non-Americans love to think you know us so well when you are actually totally clueless about us.

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I don't speak for the entire country, only the more intelligent members of it.

I love the way that if you piss off a conservative enough, their viewpoints essentially boil down to a superiority complex. Its like the stubborn mule gag on Family Guy. No matter how many times I tell you Kevin Bacon was in Footloose, you'll tell me I'm wrong. I can't possibly be right, because you are naturally smarter than me.

Don't speak for "us". Speak for yourself. Anybody who agrees with the psycho-religiously driven policies of one Sarah Palin would see her as a sister in arms (which is part of the problem), fighting the fight for "morals" and "values". Anyone from the outside who is lucky enough to not have their political viewpoints tainted by faith (never combine the two), be it a fellow American like me (like it or not) or a neutral party such as a European can clearly see her as the whack job she is.

And by the way, I never saw a video of Obama standing in a Church to receive a blessing from a guest witch doctor. Palin? Well....

*Cue Reverend Wright speech about Obama hates America*

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

I love the way that if you piss off a conservative enough, their viewpoints essentially boil down to a superiority complex. Its like the stubborn mule gag on Family Guy. No matter how many times I tell you Kevin Bacon was in Footloose, you'll tell me I'm wrong. I can't possibly be right, because you are naturally smarter than me.

Don't speak for "us". Speak for yourself. Anybody who agrees with the psycho-religiously driven policies of one Sarah Palin would see her as a sister in arms (which is part of the problem), fighting the fight for "morals" and "values". Anyone from the outside who is lucky enough to not have their political viewpoints tainted by faith (never combine the two), be it a fellow American like me (like it or not) or a neutral party such as a European can clearly see her as the whack job she is.

And by the way, I never saw a video of Obama standing in a Church to receive a blessing from a guest witch doctor. Palin? Well....

*Cue Reverend Wright speech about Obama hates America*

I find it ironic that you attack Sarah Palin for faith when I get the impression that Obama supporters are obviously motivated by blind faith in him. When he campaigned, did he have a program for us? All I remember are a bunch of slogans such as "Yes we can!" and "Change we can believe in." In other words, take faith in Obama and he will magically get things right for you.

As far as "superiority complex", have you looked in the mirror lately? You obviously insult anyone who dares disagree with you. Speak for yourselves. You don't speak for the nation either. There were plenty of us who have seen, and still do see, that Obama isn't the messiah you evidently think he is.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Brodie

Just because you passed a 7th grade Social Studies class and remembered the name Boris Yeltsin, that doesn't make you smart. Nor should a person like you speak on behalf of the intelligent members of the country.

That would be like Reed Richards letting Corky, from Life Goes On, debate intellectually on his behalf.

You must secretly agree with that comment when you make a childish remark like that.

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I find it ironic that you attack Sarah Palin for faith when I get the impression that Obama supporters are obviously motivated by blind faith in him. When he campaigned, did he have a program for us? All I remember are a bunch of slogans such as "Yes we can!" and "Change we can believe in." In other words, take faith in Obama and he will magically get things right for you.

That was the interesting thing about Obama. He didn't go into all the poitical trench-fighting during the election. He made general promises like "I'll see to it that you lot will get healthy" and he did occasionally back it up with more detailed plans. But he essentially said the same things as every politician on the world said. Lower taxes, better education, less crime... blahblahblah... you know the drill. In the USA, you can add "One nation under God" and "Get our boys home" but essentially it's the same everywhere and on every side.

However, what Obama did, and he did that masterfully, he presented it better. He presented it in a fresh and way more natural way than many of his predecessors. He won the popular vote by far, because McCain didn't expect that he had to be popular to win - technically, a politician doesn't have to be popular, but it does help immensely when trying to get elected.

Obama was also the first one who relied heavily on the internet. Newsletters, Facebook et cetera, Obama's campaign had it all, while McCain's campaign relied on signs in front yards and the occasional public appearance. And this new and revolutionary way of Obama rallying, that was a huge factor as well. And on the internet, you must - at all cost - avoid the tl;dr factor and be brief. A couple of good slogans, a nice and daring smile, a neat symbol and you've got yourself a winner.

Basically, Obama's shtick was to get people to believe in him. And he succeeded masterfully.

During the next campaign, I expect way more general things like Obama's campaign, where people don't go into longwinded and excrutiatingly boring speeches about the intricate details of their plan as POTUS, but more a "Who's awesome? We're awesome!"-approach.

That's all nice and dandy, but the real election-killer for the McCainies came when the VP's were presented. While Joe Biden was basically a cardboard cutout of a man in a suit, it was quite possibly the VP-thing that cost McCain the job. Palin was - apart from quite probably being insane, not because of religion, though - little more than a novelty candidate. Her "Maverick"-blahblah was quite novel in its approach too, but she scared quite some people, both domestically and internationally. Personal feelings and beliefs aside, she probably cost McCain the election.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

You must secretly agree with that comment when you make a childish remark like that.

No, see.....you misunderstood. I'll break it down for you:

I was calling you retarded.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Brodie

No, see.....you misunderstood. I'll break it down for you:

I was calling you retarded.

I understood you completely. Calling someone retarded is childish, because it shows that you cannot come up with any intelligent arguments. Puerile insults only serve to make the insulter look ridiculous, not the target. Like saying, "You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny!" If you say that, you're the one who looks like an idiot.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Sorry, Anarky, but you are wrong on several counts. For one thing, it was Howard Dean (who later became head of the Democratic National Committee)
who was first to use the Internet extensively. He was in fact the early frontrunner in the 2000 primary, and expected to win, but he wasn't able to follow up on his early success and fizzled out early. The Internet can only do so much.

As far as Obama is concerned, he was far more lucky than masterful. For one thing, the news media was on his side. For another, he only got into the Senate because his Republican opponent was destroyed in a scandal. For still another, his major opponent was Hillary Clinton, and besides any negative baggage she carried, there was reluctance to keep repeating the same political families in office. For yet another, the recession hit during the election, which hurt because we had a Republican President at the time. And yes, McCain didn't inspire great enthusiasm either. But I never got the idea that Obama was suited for the Presidency.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

You obviously insult anyone who dares disagree with you. Speak for yourselves. You don't speak for the nation either.

Yo, you called anyone who disagrees with you UNINTELLIGENT, homie. You're being irrational.