Nickelodeon: "they want to focus on the '80s toon Turtles"

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

I can't find a single born-and-raised-in-Japan Japanese person today who is in their 20s or 30s who knows that "Jap" is a racial slur. I doubt they know about "rodent" either. In fact, I'd probably have to translate the word "rodent" for them to understand. My Japanese teacher actually used the word "Jap" as shorthand in sentences on the board and only us white people were looking around like, "Uhhhh..." about it. After we brought it up to her, she was like, "Oh! That's weird. Anyway..." and went on with life, still using "Jap" as short for "Japanese" when writing sentences on the board.

Although I've never heard of this rodent thing myself, being a Japanese-American, I can confirm that the word "Jap" is a very derogatory word, and not one that I or anyone in my family could easily dismiss the way your Japanese teacher did. However, since you did say "born-and-raised-in-Japan", I'm assuming your Japanese teacher was actually native Japanese. The term you described usually doesn't really strike a chord with anyone outside of the U.S. (especially a homogeneous society like Japan), since this, the U.S., is the country where that racial slur originated from.

So, ya, I just want to chime in that this word is indeed pretty offensive (at least to me and other Japanese-Americans that I know). I've been called it many times (though not as often as "gook") and am not too keen on the word. The rat thing, though, I can honestly say I've never heard of. I'm not debunking this rat thing, I'm just saying that I'm completely unfamiliar with it.

[Leonardo Mystic]

I have to say I'm worried about this direction.

I am another who cannot stand the OT anymore. I have a best friend, a few years older than me, who can't either except for its nostalgia factor. We both used to enjoy it as kids, but now that we're 26 and 29 respectively, it doesn't have the same appeal to us as it once did when were 6 years old or 9 years old.

We're not "bending to the flock" as you put, Zarius. We've grown up and our tastes have simply changed. It's a natural thing to happen, every day in fact, from even food to clothes, if you want to get technical.

There was no real plot to the series and the fighting was lame. The Turtles themselves were like clones of each other they acted so alike and two dimensional personalities. The villians were whiny and unthreatening. Shredder had to be gay for as girly as he acted most of the time. The Foot Soldiers were nothing more than mindless robots... Need I say more? It's something I ate up as a little girl like no tomorrow, but now it's something I can't see without groaning and beating my head on the nearest wall. Once in a while maybe I'll laugh, especially with the Turtles Forever clip I saw earlier this week, but mostly it's just head-beating.

I love the 2k3 series, first four seasons, for it's seriousness appeal and it's actual threatening, mostly human, villians. The real bad-ass fights from the Turtles that me, a girl, would get giddy over. There was plenty of humor in there, it wasn't hard to look for, but it wasn't so over-the-top slapstick you wanted to put your head in a bear trap.

People can diss me all they like for this, but I'm not looking for a fight. I'm only stating my opinion and some of us I think around here do tend to forget that. It's okay to have differing thoughts, that's what makes us all unique to have different things to like, but do we honestly have to rip a new one into each other because of it when we don't agree? I don't think so. You can have a good debate without having to feud like wild animals. It's a little thing called 'respect'.

[Kendamu]

That's exactly why I'm repeatedly emphasizing "Season 1, Season 1, Season effing 1!!!" when I talk about how I have hopes for Nick's new stuff not being utter crap. If someone can't see intelligent humor, real threats, actual fighting, and a plotline to Season 1 then we need to sit down and watch it together so it can be explained to you.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Indeed. Rocksteady and Bebop actually gave the Turtles a run for their money during the first season. While the first season was still a far cry from the comics, it still seemed to have a much higher level of seriousness and danger that the rest of the series (save for the polar-opposite Red Sky episodes) lacked. It's only starting from the second season that the "pizza in the face" attack became the norm.

[gobo]

The whole reason I got into Turtles is because classic Season 1 reminded me of Thundercats. Season 2? Not so much. Season three? Forget it. So, I agree that this would be a good thing if modeled solely after Season 1... but it would only be a matter of time before elements of the lamer eps sneak their way in.

[Kendamu]

That is a big one for me: if Bebop and Rocksteady are in it, make them a threat. Make me go "uh-oh" when they show up like they did in Season 1 or when the Turtles had to fight Hun early on in 2k3. They can be as dumb as a box of rocks for all I care as long as they're super strong and have a decent armory to throw at the Turtles.

Heck, if I were Nick and using the OT as my source of inspiration, I'd use Bebop and Rocksteady as a measuring stick to say, "These two gave you this much trouble. Well, the Stone Warriors we're gonna bring over number in the thousands and each one is at least twice as strong as those two mutants," and use it as part of an overall plotline for a season.

If my worst fears come true, though, and this ends up being all comedy and no real action, I'd like to hope the comedy was at least half as funny as the TMNT Manga.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

If my worst fears come true, though, and this ends up being all comedy and no real action, I'd like to hope the comedy was at least half as funny as the TMNT Manga.

Doubt it, they're trying to reel in more boys and compete with cartoon network/whatever else.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

The Turtles themselves were like clones of each other they acted so alike and two dimensional personalities.

Please tell me you're joking. All of the characters in the original cartoon had very distinct personalities, which was one of its greatest strengths.

The original cartoon had great chemistry. The Turtles functioned well together, April and the Channel 6 news crew were hilarious, and Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady also had great interactions.

All 3 major "groups" of the show had great character interaction and chemistry, and it was fun to them mix it all up with each other.

Yes, there are some aspects of the old toon that I wish were handled better, but the show is still damn entertaining and I'm almost as old as you are.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

The Turtles themselves were like clones of each other they acted so alike and two dimensional personalities.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Please tell me you're joking. All of the characters in the original cartoon had very distinct personalities, which was one of its greatest strengths.

The original cartoon had great chemistry. The Turtles functioned well together, April and the Channel 6 news crew were hilarious, and Shredder/Krang/Bebop/Rocksteady also had great interactions.

All 3 major "groups" of the show had great character interaction and chemistry, and it was fun to them mix it all up with each other.

Yes, there are some aspects of the old toon that I wish were handled better, but the show is still damn entertaining and I'm almost as old as you are.

As I stressed in a whole paragraph of my post, to which I can assume you did not even read, it's my opinion. It doesn't matter how old you are to me or how old I am to you, I don't find the series entertaining at all. It's how it comes off to me because I am different from you. Now respect that opinion as I am respecting yours and not asking you "Are you joking????"

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

That's exactly why I'm repeatedly emphasizing "Season 1, Season 1, Season effing 1!!!" when I talk about how I have hopes for Nick's new stuff not being utter crap. If someone can't see intelligent humor, real threats, actual fighting, and a plotline to Season 1 then we need to sit down and watch it together so it can be explained to you.

I will apologize that I do not remember Season 1. All I remember is the goofiness and slapstick of later seasons. That's what sticks out most in my mind.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

I will apologize that I do not remember Season 1. All I remember is the goofiness and slapstick of later seasons. That's what sticks out most in my mind.

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[Ninjinister]

Love all the pointless arguing going around here. Keep it up, folks.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

As I stressed in a whole paragraph of my post, to which I can assume you did not even read, it's my opinion. It doesn't matter how old you are to me or how old I am to you, I don't find the series entertaining at all.

Someting must be wrong with you then, seeing as you can enjoy something that ISNT at all that much of a radical departure from the original series.

Whenever or not you find the series entertaining is irrelevant, the reasons for your opinion are what he's refering to, and he'd be right, to say the Turtles were all "the same" and two-dimensional is inane logic that flies in the face of the actual series.

It's how it comes off to me because I am different from you. Now respect that opinion as I am respecting yours and not asking you "Are you joking????"

This is the internet, where people have the right to vent thier opinion that an opposing opinion is worthless.

I will apologize that I do not remember Season 1. All I remember is the goofiness and slapstick of later seasons. That's what sticks out most in my mind.

Again, if you have NO problem forgibing the slapstick and goofiness in the modern series, you can get past that and enjoy the original series.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I'd be honoured ma'am, but I'm not looking for one night stands...especially no-chance stands.


Keep telling yourself that.



The plot wasnt "poor". The comedy was slick and the episodes all had a CLEAR beggining, middle, end, and a morally sound resolution. The modern series? ANGST, ANGST, OH MY GODZ, ANNNNNGGZTZ....for a good few seasons there was less beggining, middle, and end and just "beggining, middle, beggining, middle, end, middle, beggining"..and the morality high-ground wasnt quite apt either.

Half if not most of it topped the modern series easily...That HAD a direction, true, but gradually minimised it . There was no difference by the end of it's run, yet I bet you ate it up. Once more, you can cut the hypocrisy with a knife.

You can rattle off the same old cliches the other half-wits can muster doll, but ultimately, I've heard it all before, and it's never convinced me. I'm a better fan for understanding the original series HAD a plot, strict character development, sparingly or otherwise (and does it really matter if they have a straight-forward arc? Batman: TAS had no direction to speak of, so the hypocrisy once more rears it's predictable head) and appreciating it's pros, for they far outweighed the cons. It remains the most memorable version of the TMNT and THAT is what eats you up the most.

I'll laugh HARD when you "realize" how poor the modern series really was...I don't consider it poor myself, but I can sure as f*ck emphasise it's cons to shatter any delusional fanboys high-horses if they happen to mount them. Both series are as good as the other.

Enjoy the diversity and stop boring me to death

It amazes me how some of these idiots post on a forum called THE TECHNODROME and expect thier blind haterade of the original series to somehow NOT be met with opposistion.

Since you're putting a whole lot of words in my mouth and obviously didn't read/comprehend what I wrote, I won't even take the time to answer half of this ****, but I do have to say:

I'm a man

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

As I stressed in a whole paragraph of my post, to which I can assume you did not even read, it's my opinion.

You do know that opinions, when based on nothing, can be entirely wrong, right? I'm of the opinion that the sky is green and the ocean is made of Jell-O, but does that mean I'm not wrong because it's an opinion? No.

You're simply wrong. Calling the characters from the OT "clones" of each other is just you showing ignorance, and ignoring facts. Just because you call it an opinion doesn't make it right.

[Dragon Turtle]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

By who's definition? Yours? Who are you again?

If I told you, I would have to kill you.

I've already covered this. The only reason they stop enjoying something they otherwise loved is because society poisons them. Tastes don't change, people just bend to the flock.

As someone who used to love the OT but perfers the 2k3 Toon, you explained to me how society has poisoned me, I would like to know.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

It's how it comes off to me because I am different from you. Now respect that opinion as I am respecting yours and not asking you "Are you joking????"

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

This is the internet, where people have the right to vent thier opinion that an opposing opinion is worthless.

Right, because the internet automatically entitles you to forget the manners you've been taught and the respect to your fellow human being. It really is easier to type out these derogatory and rude comments when the person you're "talking" to is faceless and the chances of ever meeting this person is slim to none, but I bet you could not so much when the person is standing right in front of you.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

Love all the pointless arguing going around here. Keep it up, folks.

I'm having a blast in here myself.

We're not "bending to the flock" as you put, Zarius. We've grown up

My GOD, do you LISTEN to yourself?

"Grown up"? Here you are posting on a forum about four sewer-dwelling fictious amphibian ninjas, you have, for your avatar and sig, screencaps from A FRICKIN' CARTOON, ignorantly thrashing another FRICKIN' CARTOON, just to "big up" the FRICKIN' CARTOON you are biased the most towards, so much that you PRETEND that there's no difference.

It's a natural thing to happen, every day in fact, from even food to clothes, if you want to get technical.

It's not "natural". It's a CHOICE you make. You CHOOSE which clothes to wear, you CHOOSE what type of food you eat, you CHOOSE who you want to have a relationship with

You CHOSE to suddenly think being an "adult" (and you have no idea what that term means, let's just make that clear), meant you shouldnt be obligated to watch a fun, quirky animated series and instead chose to watch a...fun, quirky animated series that you enjoy...now...

...Hmm...logic's missing something here...what is it?

Pal, you havent grown up. Do NOT kid yourself on this.

Foot Soldiers were robots? Who cares? It's not like any of them had a character in the modern series either. What's the difference? None. With the former, they could get away with decapitation and splicing where it mattered (oh look, something similar happened in season one of the modern series...NO DIFFERENCE AGAIN! WOW!)

Shredder being campy? Again, big deal, it was a blend of irony, Avery was a superb V.A, his lines were gold, and he could handle his own if there were some serious elements.

No plot? The comics never had one either, the plot at best would stop and start at Kevin and Peter's leisure. And the modern series HAD a plot, and closed it far too soon...season two I beleive (Secret Origins), leaving the rest of the season to UTTERLY LIMP.

Villains were unthreatning? First of all, it wasnt thier job to be threatning, they were there to crack a joke and present a practical problem to be solved with teamwork, the usual morality play-of-the-week, with humour.

Take a look at your own laundry list, especially in a series that had to have some weight. Hun being a wallflower, Baxter being defeated fifty five thousand times and losing every inch of his body, Garbageman being...well...garbage. Cyber-Shredder? Darius? The Dark Turtles?

Need I go on? The modern series didnt have a leg to stand on by the end because it made everyone a joke far too early.

Tastes don't change, this is evident by what you are watching, how you react to it, and the willfull pretense that the modern series was above and beyond it's more succesful predecessor when there largely on the same level...at best, it just got a little further than Red Sky before it tripped up and bowed to the master by embaracing it's goofyness.

[CyberCubed]

They simply mean that calling the original toon Turtles "clones of each other" is flat out wrong.

Everyone who watched the original series knows the Turtles all have distinct and memorable personalities. I am actually astounded one could say they were "clones of each other."

The hell?

[Archon_Turtle]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

Love all the pointless arguing going around here. Keep it up, folks.

It's the fanbase. It's what they do.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

As I stressed in a whole paragraph of my post, to which I can assume you did not even read, it's my opinion.

Originally Posted by Peanut

You do know that opinions, when based on nothing, can be entirely wrong, right? I'm of the opinion that the sky is green and the ocean is made of Jell-O, but does that mean I'm not wrong because it's an opinion? No.

You're simply wrong. Calling the characters from the OT "clones" of each other is just you showing ignorance, and ignoring facts. Just because you call it an opinion doesn't make it right.

I am not talking who is right or wrong. That is not a right or wrong issue. Do you even remember what opinion means? Do you want me to quote the dictionary definition for you?

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Opinion –noun

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

A personal view, based on insufficient grounds to produce complete certainty. Meaning, it's not a right or wrong matter.