Seein Red

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

My girlfriend is a paleontologist, and we've had a conversation or two about the biological nature of the Turtles. She...wanted me to make a list of all the instances where the Turtles sweat in order to figure out whether or not they were ecto or endothermic. Or, possibly poly-thermic....who knows.

But their sweating isn't the only thing that makes no sense from a reptile standpoint. They also have teeth, opposable thumbs, and the wrong number of digits on their hands and feet.

Also, only because I've seen someone else mention it, turtles do not have a shared ancestor with dinosaurs. They two lines co-existed. I wish I could find the link, but there's actually a prehistoric turtle that they found in Australia that was given the Genus species name "ninja turtle". Alas.

I don't think sewers get that cold, otherwise the pipes in them would freeze, and that'd be bad. They're well below the frost line, so they might be protected. That being said, I don't think the turtles are cold-blooded because...well, reptiles tend to go into a type of torpor if their core body temperature is allowed to go down too far.

...which is totally all on topic. I swear...

This post is awesome. I didn't know turtles at one point co-existed with dinosaurs, though it makes perfect sense.

I guess you can't add cold hard scientific fact to the turtles, it just doesn't work.

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

My girlfriend is a paleontologist, and we've had a conversation or two about the biological nature of the Turtles. She...wanted me to make a list of all the instances where the Turtles sweat in order to figure out whether or not they were ecto or endothermic. Or, possibly poly-thermic....who knows.

But their sweating isn't the only thing that makes no sense from a reptile standpoint. They also have teeth, opposable thumbs, and the wrong number of digits on their hands and feet.

Also, only because I've seen someone else mention it, turtles do not have a shared ancestor with dinosaurs. They two lines co-existed. I wish I could find the link, but there's actually a prehistoric turtle that they found in Australia that was given the Genus species name "ninja turtle". Alas.

I don't think sewers get that cold, otherwise the pipes in them would freeze, and that'd be bad. They're well below the frost line, so they might be protected. That being said, I don't think the turtles are cold-blooded because...well, reptiles tend to go into a type of torpor if their core body temperature is allowed to go down too far.

...which is totally all on topic. I swear...

Reading this post made me realize I seriously need a life. Lmao.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by samhain88

Reading this post made me realize I seriously need a life. Lmao.

Trust me when I say few people do pillow talk quite the same way as me and my girl.

[Katie]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

GLAD they just never wanted to show Raph sunning himself on a rock.

Had to fix something for you really quick.....I had a vision of millions of fangirls squirming over thoughts of Raph sunbathing. gross.


Anywho..... Why do they HAVE to have all red bandanas to achive a "gritty feel"? For that matter why do they have to be gritty at all? Once we got into dinosaurs from space in the comics, to me at least, the realism (gritty or not) went bye bye. (ok, ok, at the point that there were talking turtles and a rat it went bye bye...but you know)

Also, on the endo, ecto, polythermic discussion....I don't see how they would change from normal turtles unles we were doing the DNA mash up.

.....but since that's old toon, I'm pretty sure the "gritty realism" crowd wouldn't want that, ergo, bandanas are again pointless to the uniform discussion.

I'm thinking, if I was a ninja, i sure as hell wouldn't want ANYTHING flapping around that an enemy could get ahold of during a fight....or could get caught on something while I was sneaking around.

But then again we are talking about characters created by two stoned guys who had no clue about real turtles or ninjas. they just thought their character looked cool. why not have fun colors and fun stories?








Kinda feels like a new civil war. I'm with colored bandanas!!

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by Katie

But then again we are talking about characters created by two stoned guys who had no clue about real turtles or ninjas.

Were they ? If they were all this would make a hell of alot more sense.

[Candy Kappa]

just a quick question off topic, it's not a huge deal to make a own thread bout it, but reading plastroncafe, and the mentioning of the wrong digits on their hands and feet.

In how to draw tmnt vol1 nr. 1 by Solson pub. it stands in the legs and feet section that shows and tells that the turtles heels act as the third 'thumb-like' toe with grabbing power.
Similar to Nightcrawler in X-men

Is this still canon, or is it forgotten

[JWarner]

Okay... I've only read most of this thread, THEN skipped to the end but I'll chime in anyways, forgive me.

Red is the original color; and the only people that know it are the people who read the book or pay attention to such things... not many.
The turtles are universally recognized by their separate colors.
The new movie will in no way appeal to the fans of the comic series only.

To address the statement that you'll tell the difference via voice and other such things? Remember the trailer for the first movie when Mike says "I love being a turtle!" It was Raph's voice. Folks say Hollywood thinks the audience is stupid. I disagree. Hollywood is stupid, the director, actors, and crew would not be able to tell the difference without the different colors...

Being a purest, I would agree with the argument for red bandanas. But I can live with the multi-colors... Just do the film in Black and White.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by JWarner

Just do the film in Black and White.

Now there's a neat idea. That'd be fun to watch. Maybe even with dashes of color like Sin City.

[JWarner]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Now there's a neat idea. That'd be fun to watch. Maybe even with dashes of color like Sin City.

You got it.

[Koi]

I just found the Sin City/The Spirit style... a tad cheesy. I would not want to see another movie in that style, especially TMNT. I don't think I could handle all the colors gone in the movie. As a female I like my pretty colors and would be ten times more upset if they where gone then some bandanna color change.

[Revan]

Originally Posted by JWarner

To address the statement that you'll tell the difference via voice and other such things? Remember the trailer for the first movie when Mike says "I love being a turtle!" It was Raph's voice.
Folks say Hollywood thinks the audience is stupid. I disagree. Hollywood is stupid, the director, actors, and crew would not be able to tell the difference without the different colors...

It actually wasn't Josh's voice. But it was totally random and you are so right about hollywood dumbing things down. I don't see the problem with watching an intelligent movie that makes you think about what is going on.

[The Stryker]

There's a difference between a movie making you think and not knowing which character is which at a glance.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by samhain88

Were they ? If they were all this would make a hell of alot more sense.

I wasn't there, but given the era/timeframe, the relative goofiness inherent in the idea itself, and the fact that most "artistic" people (whether it be writers, visual artists, musicians, etc.) tend to "heighten" their creativity with chemicals and other substances, I would bet money that Kev and Pete were doing massive bong rips when they created the TMNT. I'm pretty sure "staying up late watching bad tv" or whatever they say inspired the turtles' creation is code for the unspoken "plus we were really baked."

Not saying definitely but... it's a little naive to think otherwise, in my opinion.

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I wasn't there, but given the era/timeframe, the relative goofiness inherent in the idea itself, and the fact that most "artistic" people (whether it be writers, visual artists, musicians, etc.) tend to "heighten" their creativity with chemicals and other substances, I would bet money that Kev and Pete were doing massive bong rips when they created the TMNT. I'm pretty sure "staying up late watching bad tv" or whatever they say inspired the turtles' creation is code for the unspoken "plus we were really baked."

Not saying definitely but... it's a little naive to think otherwise, in my opinion.

Lmao yeah I agree.

[Powder]

Like you said- that was code for being stoned. I've had to word things differently to tell stoner stories in the past & thats one of the top excuses. Bad tv, hyped on 'junk food & sugar', so tired we were delirious, & so on...

I mean look at pictures of them from back in the day... c'mon.

[plastroncafe]

You've got to give them credit though, it's not every day that a stoner idea is so successful. Usually they just end up looking like jibberish the morning after.

[Samhain]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

You've got to give them credit though, it's not every day that a stoner idea is so successful. Usually they just end up looking like jibberish the morning after.

I believe the Tmnt was just so ridiculously close to being one of those ''crazy ideas''. But it wasnt. LOL.

[Leo656]

Thank god for that, I say. They could've just gone to White Castle and forgotten the whole thing like the rest of us do when we're up til 3am watching Speed Racer cartoons.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm pretty sure "staying up late watching bad tv" or whatever they say inspired the turtles' creation is code for the unspoken "plus we were really baked."

Hahaha. I've thought this for years, and I'm glad someone else finally pointed it out.

There's no reason to work "staying up late watching bad tv" into the story everytime otherwise. I'd be willing to place a fair bet on the fact that they were chemically altered in some way.

I wasn't there, but given the era/timeframe, the relative goofiness inherent in the idea itself, and the fact that most "artistic" people (whether it be writers, visual artists, musicians, etc.) tend to "heighten" their creativity

This is categorically false though. For every artist who uses drugs in their creative process, there are more who don't. Not that they don't use them otherwise, but they're not always inducive to creative output.

I know, personally, I can't write for sh*t when I'm under the influence. And believe me, I've tried.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

This is categorically false though. For every artist who uses drugs in their creative process, there are more who don't. Not that they don't use them otherwise, but they're not always inducive to creative output.

I know, personally, I can't write for sh*t when I'm under the influence. And believe me, I've tried.

While I don't doubt your experiences, I do your assumption that there are more artists who don't, than who do. Mostly because no one has any real way of knowing what most artists do to inspire their creative process. There's no data to cite, and therefore no "false" statements.

Me personally? It's the company I'm with, rather than what I'm doing at the time, that inspires me the most. Usually though? That company involves the use of if not alcohol, than a significant amount of sugar and/or caffeine.

So you're guess is as good as mine as to what's actually going on there.

And I know one professional writer who is stone cold straight edge, but gets her inspiration from the routine of sitting down to write early in the morning with a yerba matte.