Seein Red

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

While I don't doubt your experiences, I do your assumption that there are more artists who don't, than who do. Mostly because no one has any real way of knowing what most artists do to inspire their creative process. There's no data to cite, and therefore no "false" statements.

Me personally? It's the company I'm with, rather than what I'm doing at the time, that inspires me the most. Usually though? That company involves the use of if not alcohol, than a significant amount of sugar and/or caffeine.

I guess most of my experience is with other writers, since I'm going through an English program. I don't know anyone that gets f*cked up before writing. Mostly because, well, you're f*cked up and it's hard to be poetic or terse in that state.

It's probably (I'm just guessing) more prevalent among visual artists and musicians. Although I have a friend at a very experimental music school, and not only does he staunchly avoid all forms of drugs, lots of other students there do too.

[Krutch]

Yeah, when I write I cant be the least bit intoxicated. I get too distracted.

Alot of my artist friends say they get baked before they draw, but when I'm with them I always see them get baked and never get any work done. They're just too lazy.

[Mutated Turtle]

turtles should have red masks in the new movie

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Cipher

I guess most of my experience is with other writers, since I'm going through an English program. I don't know anyone that gets f*cked up before writing.

Originally Posted by Krutch

Yeah, when I write I cant be the least bit intoxicated. I get too distracted.

I know a lot of guys in the industry and you two -- at least as far as comics go, I can't speak for novelists and the like -- are far closer to being the exceptions than the rule.

For myself, sipping on a martini is quite conducive to getting the creative juices flowing.

[Venom]

That's how all the awesome crazy ass **** happens in comics!

"Duuude, what if Norman Osborn ****ing ruled the Marvel Universe?!"

[Spitfire]

We refer to that as an "art crutch" at my school. The students that do work intoxicated obviously did so. They're work is usually the worst of the lot and funny enough they always take pride in the fact they have to be drunk/high to be creative. Writing something when you're stoned might sound like a good idea because your mind is "free" and "open", as people would put it, but you'll probably look back on it and go "Wtf". It's entirely possible to write bizarre and fun things when you're not stoned or intoxicated.

People do what they will but I'd find it hard to believe that some of the greatest writers sit around smoking joints while coming up with their best works. Drinking I can see more so but only to loosen up, being completely smashed isn't going to accomplish anything either.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Writing something when you're stoned might sound like a good idea

A horrible idea, as far as I'm concerned. The few times I've ever smoked weed, all I did was feel stupid and want to sleep. Writing would be about the last thing on Earth I'd want to do at that point, though I do "get" that weed seems to affect different people radically differently.

People do what they will but I'd find it hard to believe that some of the greatest writers sit around smoking joints while coming up with their best works.

It helps them focus, I would imagine. Though not so much with weed (a downer) as I would imagine with coke or meth or the like.

Drinking I can see more so but only to loosen up, being completely smashed isn't going to accomplish anything either.

You do realize there's different sorts of intoxication, though? I mean, if I drink a few beers I feel boistrous and happy and all that, but it's a rather "stupid drunk." Sipping on some wine, or martinis, or the like is the polar opposite... can actually heighten the creative process and make it darn fun. Of course, like with anything, there eventually comes a plateau at which Gandalf is waiting for you with his wand yelling "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!" If you decide to ignore Gandalf and keep on drinking past this point, it's probably best to turn off the computer and come back to whatever you're working on the next day.

Then there's drinks like tequila or mezcal. Perhaps something about agave, but I drink these and I become extremely irritable and argumentative.

So yeah. There's not just "drunk" and "high." There's all sorts of different levels and conditions therein.

[Spitfire]

Oh yeah and I agree. Like I said being buzzed I understand I just don't get people who like to be completely plastered or stoned out of their minds when writing. I've seen the kind of work it yields and I'm not very impressed.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Like I said being buzzed I understand I just don't get people who like to be completely plastered or stoned out of their minds when writing.

Completely plastered or doped up, yeah, that's a little bit weird. Though then there's guys like Alan Moore who drink by the truckload nightly (and god knows what else), and yet still manage to turn in some of the most brilliant work you could ever hope to read.

[Spitfire]

Very true. Alan Moore is English though, they drink alcohol like it's water over there.

[Sidian]

i know im gonna get flamed by the comic purists but i hate the idea of all red bandannas. hate it. granted i think they probably could have used another color other than PURPLE but im way past the point of caring about that.

dont get me wrong..im smart enough to tell the difference. i just prefer to see the different colored masks...it just seems to separate them further as characters to me. especially when i see who each color is assigned to...it seems to fit for the most part...i could explain why but its kinda weird so ill just leave it at that lol.

[bridgegrn]

random thought: the turtles are generally assumed to be red eared sliders right? maybe have a scene with the turtles without their masks, and all four of them could have the red, mask like markings on their faces. that way all 4 of them would look like they have red masks without losing the colored masks.

[Charlotte_Sometimes]

I really don't see the point of all red masks. I mean, sure, it's more accurate to the Mirage comics, but honestly, the multi-colored masks was an improvement in a number of ways.

I suppose I'm not "fangirly" enough, and I'm sure I'll be called out as blasphemous for suggesting that color coded masks was a better idea than Eastman & Laird's idea of a monotone color... but oh well.

[ooglafina]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Sometimes

I really don't see the point of all red masks. I mean, sure, it's more accurate to the Mirage comics, but honestly, the multi-colored masks was an improvement in a number of ways.

I suppose I'm not "fangirly" enough, and I'm sure I'll be called out as blasphemous for suggesting that color coded masks was a better idea than Eastman & Laird's idea of a monotone color... but oh well.

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Oh yeah and I agree. Like I said being buzzed I understand I just don't get people who like to be completely plastered or stoned out of their minds when writing. I've seen the kind of work it yields and I'm not very impressed.

Okay, I don't really care about the idea of the red bandannas either. I don't think it will ever happen again either because the color coded bandannas are too ingrained in the minds of the public.

Now I want to resurrect the dead discussion from May, since I wasn't around then. I'm a creative writing major and I can honestly say that I've never ever been remotely high or drunk in any capacity. I know there's a history of alcoholism in my family and so I want to stay away from the whole thing.

Plus, I feel like it would really damage they way I process abstract and subconscious thought. The idea that you can only be drunk to be creative makes me think that they can't reach that abstract Zen part of the brain that you need to tap into. I want to know that I can reach into that part of myself whenever I need to and that I don't need a substance to help.

That's just the way I work though. I know that there are lots of writers and musicians and whatever that have done great things under the influence and maybe that works for them.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Sometimes

I suppose I'm not "fangirly" enough, and I'm sure I'll be called out as blasphemous for suggesting that color coded masks was a better idea than Eastman & Laird's idea of a monotone color... but oh well.

Certainly not blasphemous, just depends on your favorite Turtles interpretation is.

I don't have a particular favorite, but I like the idea of them looking like they're from the same clan.

[Charlotte_Sometimes]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Certainly not blasphemous, just depends on your favorite Turtles interpretation is.

I don't have a particular favorite, but I like the idea of them looking like they're from the same clan.

I don't think there's any confusion of them not being from the same clan. Their attire is pretty identical.

No one has really questioned Ryu and Ken (from Street Fighter) being from seperate clans, even though one wears a white gi, and the other wears a red gi.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Sometimes

I don't think there's any confusion of them not being from the same clan. Their attire is pretty identical.

Ha, yeah... plus the whole "mutant turtle" thing lol.

I dunno, it just depends on the medium for me really. What I want most out of this movie is something new (to TMNT films), so I guess that's actually my main reasoning.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Sometimes

No one has really questioned Ryu and Ken (from Street Fighter) being from seperate clans, even though one wears a white gi, and the other wears a red gi.

Huh? I wasn't aware there was anyone out there that actually believes that Ryu and Ken are ninja, let alone from any ninja clans.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Charlotte_Sometimes

honestly, the multi-colored masks was an improvement in a number of ways.

Absolutely not. In no ways.

[Koi]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Absolutely not. In no ways.

It kind of was, especially in the direction they were taking the show. Helps kids recognized the turtles, it was bright and colorful gave life to them, brought more personality to the characters.