Turtles Forever - Talkback Discussion Thread - Page 45

*gobo* · 10-03-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tone-master21

I was watching this on DVD yesterday and noticed a couple of things in the OT lair. They are both when Don starts throwing things out of his desk, first is a NES controller and the other is a TMNT toy.

Holy cowabunga! That's an awesome find!! ^_^

*Xav* · 10-27-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by leonardorebirth

The ending of Shredder. I don't know if anybody brought this up already but, why didn't the Turtles just kill source Shredder on the rooftop, therefore eliminating the new Shredder? The same rule should have applied to Shredder, Utrom or not. I think this was a major flaw and would have been a better ending then having the giant Shredder lazered to death. Plus, I thought it was hilarious when the new and old toon Turtles threw Mirage Shredder off the roof with cans and trash, but wouldn't that fall have killed him, therefore (going back to my first statement) ending the Shredder in all universes?

But wouldn't that only have eliminated the real Oroku Saki? I mean Ch'rell would still exist he just wouldn't have the Shredder identity to steal.

BlueLightning · 10-29-2010, 10:02 AM

I think the point was to eliminate the Original Turtles, that was the source of the idea. Without them, no Turtle iteration would exist. That cannot be said for Original Shredder, he was linked to the Turtles, not otherwise in a "idea" point of view.

*gobo* · 10-29-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueLightning

I think the point was to eliminate the Original Turtles, that was the source of the idea. Without them, no Turtle iteration would exist. That cannot be said for Original Shredder, he was linked to the Turtles, not otherwise in a "idea" point of view.

Precisely. Cuz Kev & Pete were still like, "Hey, remember that throw-away villain we had in the first issue? Let's put him in every episode of the cartoon!", thus leading to the continued existence of The Shredder.

Utromshredderhater · 11-01-2010, 05:05 PM

I really don't like the way they dumbed down every body from the OT just to make the NT look better and to make it seem like the best Shredder is a simpering space slug

Gyt Kaliba · 11-02-2010, 10:48 AM

Awesome find tone-master! I never noticed that. The NES controller is especially awesome.

Aska_Badoura · 11-06-2010, 09:21 PM

Goodness.

I've been out of the loop for a year and a half... I've only just heard of this thing. I watched it. WOW.

I was a bit disappointed that they didn't get the cast from the original 'toon back... most of them are still in the voice acting business, and prolifically, even. I'm wondering if there was some legal reason, contracts or something. Still, the voices were all right, and it seems to me that they improved as the movie progressed... which makes me wonder what order the scenes were recorded in (did they get better at approaching the original voice quality, or did they deviate further, as they went? Or did they even worry about that? The things I wonder about...)

Yes, some of the silliness from the classic 'toon was exaggerated (they were almost always lighthearted, but they didn't laugh at everything), but for the most part I felt like it was out of fondness for the old show, rather than spite for it. The things I loved about the old show (I find the brand of humor less entertaining than I did as an 11-to-14-year-old, but it was definitely fun, and I still appreciate that) were there, the fourth-walling, the cracks, the... crack. Mutant bananas really didn't surprise me.

I remember that sniffer machine. It was just as much a cop-out here as it was originally.

But, that was always the point, it was supposed to be. It was an interesting decision to re-use that, though - makes a striking contrast in that its usage resulted in a lot more devastation than it ever did or would have in the original series. The universe is nicer to the classic 'toon Turtles, because they have a lighter premise, and they aren't allowed to get too beat up.

Of course this is overlooking the last few seasons when they tried to make them look and act 'tougher' - but I don't think that's what people remember the most, when they look back on the series, or what the younger fans see watching it for the first time on DVD. On the flip side, the Back to the Sewer designs are probably not what people will remember most about 2K3, and it would have been nice to see their world in its original form. At least they compromised slightly and used the white-eyed eyemasks.

There was good attention to detail - the original series had painted backgrounds, while the new is all digital flood-fill/gradients, and they were faithful to that. The classic 'toon Turtles were delightfully on model throughout (probably moreso than they were in their own show, at times *cough*

). On that subject, I'm impressed at the amount of legalese I think they'd have to have gone through to get this thing done. I recall the official site not being able to show pics of the old show, because Murakami-Wolf-Swenson/Fred Wolf Films wouldn't allow it. Someone had to talk somebody into sharing those model sheets and layouts. Also, there may be one or more joint copyrights involved, with showing all those pics from the different universes.

Story-wise... poor Hun.

I'm wondering if he was restored to his former self when the 2k3 universe was reinstated, or if he's stuck like that. Probably stuck. His gang still seems to be following him, though, so he's not completely alone or anything. I might pity him more, otherwise. still, wow.

When the Technodrome was being refitted, Karai was talking about how Dimension X tech is ridiculous, and they were replacing it with Utrom tech... the soldier was ripping out one high-tech looking monitor and replacing it with another, I was sarcastically thinking "Oh yeah, I can really see the difference here... Utrom technology is so much more sophisticated. You replaced a square with an oval". Anyone else think this?

Karai... I have written pages and pages on Karai's position, and how she relates to the Turtles and to the Shredder. I'm not sure I'm allowed to write more.

I was already confused by Back to the Sewer, where Khan was leading the Foot, and Karai was nowhere in sight (until the wedding, and that was sorely lacking in her input on the situation)... and here, she's claiming the Technodrome portal for the Foot. Um... you lost me somewhere. I can understand some kind of Foot split, but you know, some explanations would be nice, here?

That, and I thought she'd given up on Ch'rell. So, all that madness she went through in season 4, taking on his name, wanting to kill them to avenge him... and she was keeping tabs on him on his asteroid?! And not trying to rescue him, for that matter, as far as we know. My head hurts. And surely she'd know that he would cause harm to innocents if she let him carry out his plans, and we know she doesn't like that. She did it anyway. Even more surely, she'd know that he'd want to flatten her friends, and she really doesn't like that. She did that anyway, too. I don't even know why he didn't turn on her as soon as he woke up, seeing as the last time they'd interacted, she'd defied him, and I think he partially blamed her for being banished in the first place. I guess because she was useful to him at the time... though he immediately knew who to blame at the end, when his plans went awry a second time. And she thinks he'll be back, and my head hurts more, trying to figure out what weirdness everyone would have to go through for him to do that.

Anyway, please forgive the extremely late babbling, I had to dump all that out somewhere. There's probably a million more things I can say, but I'll stop there for now.

Needless to say, I enjoyed this immensely.

*gobo* · 11-07-2010, 06:58 AM

Aska! *Tigger-tackle* Welcome back! ^_^

Utromshredderhater · 11-07-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Aska_Badoura