What's Up With The Pizza Boxes?

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by DonnyTMNT

Why can't people just let Bebop and Rocksteady die? They were terrible characters. Give me Baxter, give me Rat King, give me Leatherhead...but Bebop and Rocksteady? Can somebody who likes these guys give me an answer as to why they get so much fan credit? I appreciate my OT roots, but these guys written as they were in the 80s/90s would really make me uneasy and take the show in a negative direction, at least in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Jester

I for one kinda liked the "bumbling cretan" aspect of Bebop and Rocksteady...for the OT. If they bring them back, they need an upgrade.
Heck, I tried to intergrate them into the 4Kids series via Fan-fic....man that was bad....
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=8430

Dang, for a minute I thought that DonnyTMNT was getting schizophrenic and contradicting himself. Then, it hit me that the second poster was Jester. All these Nick promo art avatars are really blending together on me!

But, yeah, I'd like to see Bebop & Rocksteady in any capacity, whether it be lovable, bumbling idiots, or fearsome goons.

[PizzaPower]

i agree bring them back!

[Jester]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

All these Nick promo art avatars are really blending together on me!

I'm debating trying to figure out some other avatar.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by JoeGro

And let me be clear on this because I'm not trying to be the "meanie" of the group I just know what I like and what I don't like. I've also been a huge fan of a lot of Nickelodeons animated programs over the years, it just doesn't look like the new TMNT is going to be one I add to that list. But hey, only time will tell. I'm usually an extremely nice guy, but TMNT is my passion and I'm very stern in my opinions and thoughts that pertain to it is all.

Originally Posted by Sergio517

Completely agree with you there. I'm the same.

That goes for me as well.

Originally Posted by Powder

My apologies, I didn't realize you saw the first episode that hasn't even been made yet and therefore have the god-given right to judge it.

I have every right to judge. They put out the images and teaser clips for the public to see, so I can say whatever the **** I want about it. And I don't like what I see.

Originally Posted by Archon_Turtle

I can't believe how many of you are already jumping ship over a few images and vague accounts of an episode that hasn't been made yet.

Unbelievable. I hate this fandom.

Sorry, but I'm not one to follow others off a cliff. I'm not of the 'hive mind'. Ninja Turtles is the greatest passion in my life and sue me if I want to see nothing but the best. This crap Nick is putting out is not by a long shot the best.

Believe it or not, the first hints and images released of a show are often the most crucial. It is the "make it or break it" point for me. If it looks good, and something that appeals to me, I'm willing to give it a shot. Just like FF and BTTS. The first art generated enough interest for me that I was curious to watch it. This, however, generates nothing but the urge to flush it down the toilet and ironically rot in the sewers.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Just like FF and BTTS. The first art generated enough interest for me that I was curious to watch it.

And were you disapointed dispite the promo art?
I'm going to reserve judgement until I see more than preliminary CG test footage. It's already been stated that little is set in stone, heck they haven't even got Mikey and Raph's voice actors nailed down...this is very much a work in progress.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

That goes for me as well.



I have every right to judge. They put out the images and teaser clips for the public to see, so I can say whatever the **** I want about it. And I don't like what I see.



Sorry, but I'm not one to follow others off a cliff. I'm not of the 'hive mind'. Ninja Turtles is the greatest passion in my life and sue me if I want to see nothing but the best. This crap Nick is putting out is not by a long shot the best.

Believe it or not, the first hints and images released of a show are often the most crucial. It is the "make it or break it" point for me. If it looks good, and something that appeals to me, I'm willing to give it a shot. Just like FF and BTTS. The first art generated enough interest for me that I was curious to watch it. This, however, generates nothing but the urge to flush it down the toilet and ironically rot in the sewers.

You're basically defending judging a book by its cover, which everyone's mother (except yours and a few others' apparently) has taught them is wrong.

Close-mindedness: 0 Open-mindedness: 1

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Cure

You're basically defending judging a book by its cover, which everyone's mother (except yours and a few others' apparently) has taught them is wrong.

Close-mindedness: 0 Open-mindedness: 1

This x 100000.

A real turtle fan will reserve judgment for the moment they finish the first episode at least.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Powder

A fan will reserve judgment for the moment they finish the first episode at least.

Agreed. I can understand being underwhelmed by what we see now, but really we won't know weither it's worth our time or not until the first episode airs, and even then it may take a couple to see how the story progresses.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

Just like FF and BTTS. The first art generated enough interest for me that I was curious to watch it.

Originally Posted by Jester

And were you disapointed dispite the promo art?

I watched all the episodes of both FF and BTTS and I can safely say that, yes, I was disappointed in them. There were a few good points throughout, but overall I just did not like either. I was never very happy with the angularness of the Turtles or the fact April was turned into a Bratz doll.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

I watched all the episodes of both FF and BTTS and I can safely say that, yes, I was disappointed in them. There were a few good points throughout, but overall I just did not like either. I was never very happy with the angularness of the Turtles or the fact April was turned into a Bratz doll.

So maybe the opposite could be true...the promo stuff could be off putting but the series itself could be enjoyable.

Just food for thought.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by Jester

So maybe the opposite could be true...the promo stuff could be off putting but the series itself could be enjoyable.

Just food for thought.

I'd rather thought for food.

Om nom nom.

Man I must be wasted or something.

[Machias Banshee]

That actually happened to me in regards to the 2K3 show. Look at some of the preview art we got for the guys. The linework was thick and chunky, the guys all had these dark circles around the eyes, very angular - Mike looked like a psychopathic Gene Simmons with the whole tongue thing.. I did not like it. And yet, the 2K3 Series is probably my favorite one..

You simply cannot trust the 'preview art', because some of it's going to be older or some offshoot of an idea that doesn't get used, or the style of the at itself will change. More's gonna come... Nothing is set in stone.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Jester

I for one kinda liked the "bumbling cretan" aspect of Bebop and Rocksteady...for the OT. If they bring them back, they need an upgrade.
Heck, I tried to intergrate them into the 4Kids series via Fan-fic....man that was bad....
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=8430

Oh, they can be idiots. I don;t mind that. Let me put it this way.

Back in the old TMNT Coin-Op, Rocksteady and Bebop were pretty tough guys to fight on their own. When you and your buddies got to Rocksteady, you put your game faces on and took him out. When you got to Bebop, you really stepped it up to make sure you used teamwork or just ganged up on him and mashed buttons.

When you got out of the sewers and had to fight both of them, though, you and the other players got a collective "oh crap... get ready, guys...!" feeling in your gut and you knew you were in for a rough ride that you might not make it through. Sure, they were dumb and you could get them to charge into each other for a laugh, but beyond that they were a serious force out to drain you of your quarters and stop you from that goal that was so close you could smell it: saving April!

If Bebop and Rocksteady appear in the new TMNT, that feeling is what I'd like to see and feel. Yes, they're dumb, but they make up for it with their raw power and superior weapons. You don't mess around when these guys get pumped for a fight because you have to really buckle down and make sure you come out alive.

[JoeGro]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

That goes for me as well.



I have every right to judge. They put out the images and teaser clips for the public to see, so I can say whatever the **** I want about it. And I don't like what I see.



Sorry, but I'm not one to follow others off a cliff. I'm not of the 'hive mind'. Ninja Turtles is the greatest passion in my life and sue me if I want to see nothing but the best. This crap Nick is putting out is not by a long shot the best.

Believe it or not, the first hints and images released of a show are often the most crucial. It is the "make it or break it" point for me. If it looks good, and something that appeals to me, I'm willing to give it a shot. Just like FF and BTTS. The first art generated enough interest for me that I was curious to watch it. This, however, generates nothing but the urge to flush it down the toilet and ironically rot in the sewers.

I hated the pilot animatic and was the only one to really hate it apparently... or give a multitude of negative feedback on it and I've really caught nothing but flack for that. It's not TMNT if you ask me, it's a goofball interpretation of what the TMNT have been in their glory days. It is claimed that the main source of the look comes from Vol. 1 of the Mirage Comics....I don't see it other than a few little things here and there, it's completely different from any incarnation thus far. I've stated and I'll state it again that I understand the need for updates and some changes here in there, but it broke my heart, I was expecting to be a little disappointed but it ended up effecting my emotions to the point where I wanted to cry, throw up, and punch something all at once. Theres a lot I could use to prove my point, however we're not allowed to talk about that stuff so I'm stuck looking like a jackhole. If the promo images bother you, the pilot episode would crush you that's all I will say. I have nothing but respect for the hardworking and talented folks at Nick but I'm done with my negativity for now, what I've said has been said, apparently my opinion has no validity amongst most fans, and yes I realize I expressed a few opinions towards fans that ticked a few of them off which I apologized for and will apologize again for because I was very upset, but I will not apologize for my expressed opinions on the pilot because I was speaking the truth (for me anyway). I wanted to like it so bad, but it was just one thing after another that tore me apart. Okay I'm done now I promise. Nickelodeon is awesome, the new TMNT show (thus far anyway) is not (imo).

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by Powder

A real turtle fan will reserve judgment for the moment they finish the first episode at least.

So I'm not a real fan, am I? And none of these others who agree with me and have been just as vocal against this aren't either? It's a good thing I don't believe in such ********.

It DOES NOT make me less of a fan if I actually formulate an opinion that *gasp and horror* goes against the grain. I don't have to accept all and every goddamn version of the Turtles to be a real fan of them. I have invested thousands of dollars in merchandise, DVDs and going to conventions, and millions of hours of my time finding that merchandise, watching those DVDs, taking those trips to NYC and the like, talking about them, and reading or writing fanfiction. I have also met quite a few nice people through them like going to conventions and have become friends.

So if I weren't a "real" fan, I wouldn't be wasting my time and my energy posting here. The whole "arguement" is bull.

[xZAOx]

Anytime that any post on any forum dedicated to fans of anything breaks out the "true fan" argument, it's best to just walk away and change the subject. Nothing good can come about it.

So....what's the deal with airline food!?!

[gobo]

Originally Posted by xZAOx

So....what's the deal with airline food!?!

I dunno. They gave me one a those mini cheese wheels, and it tasted like wax.

[Kendamu]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

It DOES NOT make me less of a fan if I can't follow the sheeple around here and actually formulate an opinion that *gasp and horror* goes against the grain.

Sheeple?

Just because you're not part of the majority doesn't make everyone else sheeple. For years this place has been almost nothing but overwhelming negativity from frequent posters to the point that I avoided coming here for months at a time because I found it annoying. I was part of the minority that actually did something other than complain when it came to TMNT.

I never considered any of those people sheeple for their negativity, though. If anything, the fact that people actually have something positive to say for once proves that fandom isn't full of lemmings and are capable of really judging something based on their real feelings.

Case in point: Sonic the Hedgehog fandom. It's cool to hate everything even if it has redeeming qualities.

TMNT fandom is not Sonic fandom.

I don't care that you rain on everyone's parade. I don't care that it causes controversy and you argue it out. Like and hate whatever you want. However, we are not some sort of hive mind civilization and I don't appreciate being accused of such crap.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

So I'm not a real fan, am I? And none of these others who agree with me and have been just as vocal against this aren't either? It's a good thing I don't believe in such ********.

It DOES NOT make me less of a fan if I actually formulate an opinion that *gasp and horror* goes against the grain. I don't have to accept all and every goddamn version of the Turtles to be a real fan of them. I have invested thousands of dollars in merchandise, DVDs and going to conventions, and millions of hours of my time finding that merchandise, watching those DVDs, taking those trips to NYC and the like, talking about them, and reading or writing fanfiction. I have also met quite a few nice people through them like going to conventions and have become friends.

You're right, you don't have to accept ALL versions to be a real fan. Many dislike TNM, obviously. BUT to outwardly reject something before it's even out is ridiculously stupid. Whoopie, someone agrees with you. They're being ignorant. There are plenty of racists who agree with eachother, I guess that justifies their beliefs. Everything is speculation right now. No piece of art looks like another (except for cosmetic additions like wraps & a third toe). You can dislike the new appearance (despite the fact that they're not too different from any other iteration) but to throw the towel in on the whole shibang... c'mon now.

[Machias Banshee]

That's IT... you're all getting a LECTURE!



Jeezus... don't start the whole 'real fan' garbage! We're all fans, we all have opinions. This is supposed to be a huge FUN thing... not a argument. One fan is no different from the other... we're not a bunch of five-year-olds, I hope.

Yes, there will be things that fans don't like. Not everyone will be happy. Joe will like stuff I don't, I'll like stuff that Joe won't. And that's totally fine. That's the great thing about this fandom There's something for EVERYone. There are SO many facets...

There's too many people turning this into a battle of wills and cheap shots. It's gotta end. It used to be that we had Peter and 4Kids people checking out the forums. Now we've got Nickelodeon and Viacom watching us. They are looking for serious feedback, not just a bunch of "You're dumb!" "No you're dumb!" stupidity. They seriously are concerned about the opinions of the older fans. WHY do you think they invited ten of us out to California in the first place? It wasn't just to eat pizza and tour the building. They want to make sure they're doing this right. They're looking at EVERYthing.

I love all of you guys, but this nonsense of "Oh, it's crap forever" or "Oh, you're crap for saying it's crap!" "Lemmings!" "Sheeple!"... we go through this Every SINGLE TIME something NEW comes up.

Can we PLEASE not turn into the bastion of negativity that we are getting known for? PLEASE? Expressing opinions is fine, negative or positive. But we are All 'adults' here... everyone's in their 20s, give or take. I Know we can be more civil than this...



Machias