Is "Turtles Forever" canon in the comics?

[twopinacoladas]

Perhaps a side timeline or alternate universe, if it was canon the pages of issue #1 would have magically changed to the ending of Turtles Forever

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I was also thinking that -- talking about Fred Wolf now -- there'd be only one Dimension X. Dimension X is Dimension X, not Y or Z or W. So that'd be a point of unity between, say, the Fred Wolf cartoon and the Archie stuff -- one Dimension X with one Krang.

Interesting point...but Archie's Krang is actually revealed to be a planet destroying monster, where as Fred Wolf's Krang is a nagging blob of brains. If they were the "same Krang" then FW did a lousy job of making Krang as legitimately evil as Archie did.

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by Jester

Interesting point...but Archie's Krang is actually revealed to be a planet destroying monster, where as Fred Wolf's Krang is a nagging blob of brains. If they were the "same Krang" then FW did a lousy job of making Krang as legitimately evil as Archie did.

Krang was a Warlord in Dimension X until stripped of his body and banished-- is that not the case for Krang's action figure, cartoon, and Archie incarnations?

Has Warlord Krang ever been depicted? Have we seen what Krang looked like before being reduced to a tentacled brain?

[Jester]

No...but the Warlord Krang aspect was played out a bit more in Archie. Despite being a cute little blob, we learn through other characters how much of a monster Krang 1.0 was.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Originally Posted by wilddiverse

Has Warlord Krang ever been depicted? Have we seen what Krang looked like before being reduced to a tentacled brain?

Yes we have. In the episode in which Krang clones himself, the clones evolve and grow bodies (which are reptilian in nature), and so it is made clear that Krang is a member of a race that goes through metamorphosis-- aparently, Krang's body wasn't chopped off or anything like that. He must have been given some sort of chemical treatment that deactivated the gene, causing him to "devolve." Maybe that's why Krang started developing the Mutagen in the FIRST place? Anyone see a similarity to the Utroms here?

There is also some toy concept art by Ryan Brown if I'm not mistaken, depicting Krang's Dimension X warlord body.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by ***CJJ***

apparently, Krang's body wasn't chopped off or anything like that. He must have been given some sort of chemical treatment that deactivated the gene, causing him to "devolve." Maybe that's why Krang started developing the Mutagen in the FIRST place? Anyone see a similarity to the Utroms here?

Good insight!

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by Jester

No...but the Warlord Krang aspect was played out a bit more in Archie. Despite being a cute little blob, we learn through other characters how much of a monster Krang 1.0 was.

ooh! Detailes please! A more serious War Lord Krang sounds so unKrang like.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

ooh! Detailes please! A more serious War Lord Krang sounds so unKrang like.

He was more like Ch'rell, a feared destroyer of worlds with no conscience whatsoever.

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by Jester

No...but the Warlord Krang aspect was played out a bit more in Archie. Despite being a cute little blob, we learn through other characters how much of a monster Krang 1.0 was.

Krang was responsible for the destruction of Wingnut and Screwloose's homeworld and their respective species.

Originally Posted by ***CJJ***

In the episode in which Krang clones himself, the clones evolve and grow bodies (which are reptilian in nature), and so it is made clear that Krang is a member of a race that goes through metamorphosis-- apparently, Krang's body wasn't chopped off or anything like that. He must have been given some sort of chemical treatment that deactivated the gene, causing him to "devolve." Maybe that's why Krang started developing the Mutagen in the FIRST place? Anyone see a similarity to the Utroms here?

What episode is this in? *does his own research* Invasion of the Krangazoids. This tidbit fascinates me tonight.

Originally Posted by ***CJJ***

There is also some toy concept art by Ryan Brown if I'm not mistaken, depicting Krang's Dimension X warlord body.

found here: http://lavignebrownart.blogspot.com/...y-of-work.html

[Ninjinister]

I'm of the school of thought that both the Battle Nexus and Super Turtles in 2K3 are one and the same as the ones seen in Mirage. Same as Cudley being the same being in both Adventures and Mirage, instead of an Adventures Cudley and a Mirage Cudley.


I also believe that the Turtles Forever Mirage Turtles are actually what we see here in the bottom-left of this image:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Bot-DCP%29.png

I hope whatever Turtles stuff we see come out of the woodwork (cartoon, comics, etc.) over the next year make at least some sort of vague references to a multiverse and/or Battle Nexus. I'd hate to see all of that awesome setup go to waste.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

I also believe that the Turtles Forever Mirage Turtles are actually what we see here in the bottom-left of this image:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Bot-DCP%29.png

You know, that's a good rationalization. I looked at that image in the comic and kind of went, "Uh... why are we seeing imagery of the Turtles in TMNT Vol.1 #1? That's the SAME universe/dimension as the comic I'm reading! Isn't that redundant?" If it's of yet another dimension that's Mirage-esque, and that's the dimension we saw in Turtles Forever.

On the one hand, it doesn't make sense because we were told that "Turtles Prime" dimension is the source of all the other dimensions... so that would mean that the Mirage Comics dimension is actually a dimension other than that? *scratches head* On the other hand, it makes sense because the actual Mirage dimension wouldn't be black and white and duotoned... there was plenty of colorized comics within it -- it isn't, like, inherently black and white.

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

On the one hand, it doesn't make sense because we were told that "Turtles Prime" dimension is the source of all the other dimensions... so that would mean that the Mirage Comics dimension is actually a dimension other than that? *scratches head* On the other hand, it makes sense because the actual Mirage dimension wouldn't be black and white and duotoned... there was plenty of colorized comics within it -- it isn't, like, inherently black and white.

"Turtles Prime" could be the initial standalone creation: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1, the spark that ignited all other permutations. It was released essentially as a one-shot, it was Kevin and Peter taking a shot, and because it made a big bang-- a second issue crawled out of the primordial ooze and then came universal expansion. In the beginning was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Kinda like trying to explain how the Technodrome was modified by Ch'Rell then returned to the Fred Wolf universe where it returned to normal.

That way lies madness.

My theory on that is Turtles Forever takes place after the Red Sky seasons. Might sound a little whacky, but it explains the Technodrome issues, and "Once Upon a Time Machine" shows us that the future of that timeline doesn't remain in the Batman TAS ripoff mode, with it's red sky and "dark" tone. It eventually reverts back to the colorful, goofy, classic OT way of existence.

Originally Posted by The Ninjinister

I also believe that the Turtles Forever Mirage Turtles are actually what we see here in the bottom-left of this image:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Bot-DCP%29.png

Good thinking, I like that.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

On the other hand, it makes sense because the actual Mirage dimension wouldn't be black and white and duotoned... there was plenty of colorized comics within it -- it isn't, like, inherently black and white.

Yeah, but just because the viewer sees black and white doesn't mean that's what the characters see.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by wilddiverse

"Turtles Prime" could be the initial standalone creation: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1, the spark that ignited all other permutations. It was released essentially as a one-shot, it was Kevin and Peter taking a shot, and because it made a big bang-- a second issue crawled out of the primordial ooze and then came universal expansion. In the beginning was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1.

That would make sense, kind of. Time would presumably move relatively fluidly in all of the dimensions... if your explanation is true, that'd explain why the 4Kids and Fred Wolf TMNT didn't pop out in TMNT Vol. 4 #30.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by wilddiverse

"Turtles Prime" could be the initial standalone creation: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1, the spark that ignited all other permutations. It was released essentially as a one-shot, it was Kevin and Peter taking a shot, and because it made a big bang-- a second issue crawled out of the primordial ooze and then came universal expansion. In the beginning was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1.

Hmm... interesting theory. So apparently "Turtles Prime" is limited to that particular issue and all other incarnations in the multi-verse derive in some sense from that reality? Doc, that's heavy!

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Hmm... interesting theory. So apparently "Turtles Prime" is limited to that particular issue and all other incarnations in the multi-verse derive in some sense from that reality? Doc, that's heavy!

I drank a whole pot of infini-tea earlier.

[sdp]

I feel it IS the same universe, but what can I say I like and I'm not afraid "to go there". But hey if you're going to ignore it then I choose to ignore that the 2k3 turtles actually met the Fred Wolf Turtles since they acted way goofier and unlike the FW cartoon. So I think the 2k3 turtles actually met turtles from a universe similar to the FW cartoon but one that is a lot sillier.

Andrew about the Battle Nexus, in the show it is constantly mentioned (pretty much every BN episode) that it gathers the best warriors from the MultiVerse. However the only thing that would suggest/kinda contradicts it is that basically almost every contestant in the Battle Nexus are characters from the 2k3 universe. So that would imply that all the other universes in the multiverse have weaklings. Not to mention the Damyo seems very connected to the 2k3 universe for the BN to actually be a multiverse. Not to mention it also means that the 2k3 universe would be the first turtles/Splinter/Shredder who actually compete in the BN were from that universe.

If we're going by that I should also mention that Renet and Lord Simultaneous also mention the Multiverse in the 2k3 cartoon. So their dialog implies that there is only one Renet/Lord Simultaneous in the multiverse. The thing with the Battle Nexus/Renet is this was all before Turtles Forever and it seems they had a different meaning for multiverse and mostly throwaway lines once that movie came out it brings out a bunch of questions about the multiverse that weren't there before.

About Dimension X its actually referred to as both a Galaxy and a Dimension in the show, I made a thread about this topic years ago here.. In the Archie comics however Dimension X IS a Galaxy. I had a theory that maybe the Krang from Archie is the same Krang from the Fred Wolf cartoon, the way I saw it Dimension X is a galaxy in Dimension X and the Krang from the FW show is from the Dimension X. But thats another topic.



Being a fan of alternate universes I made a thread about the different TMNT timelines years ago (way before Turtles Forever made it official), if anyone is interested the thread is right here. I haven't updated it but my views on some things have changed drastically.

[AcidBurn30]

to that one guy who said making a cartoon into a comic never happens, that a bunch of lie right there. They do that all the time. with the 80's cartoons they made them into comics just like 2k3 cartoons is base on the classic comics. So i would hope they made the turtles forever into a comic book. i really do.

[wilddiverse]

Originally Posted by sdp

In the Archie comics however Dimension X IS a Galaxy. I had a theory that maybe the Krang from Archie is the same Krang from the Fred Wolf cartoon, the way I saw it Dimension X is a galaxy in Dimension X and the Krang from the FW show is from the Dimension X. But thats another topic.

So having a Galaxy Dimension X located in the Dimension Dimension X
would allow Archie Krang and Fred Wolf Krang to be one and the same
because Fred Wolf Krang is from the Dimension Dimension X?

Have you been drinking infiniti-tea too?

Your theory as written has the legs of Krang, but I would honestly like to hear a theory of how those Krangs could be the same being if you do start that thread.

[Chris]

I'm not sure if it's a "yes" or "no".

I think it happened, but I don't think they remember it. Well, maybe old Leo could but that would be another story.

At the end of Turtles Forever they said that Turtles Prime was repairing itself, and I took this to mean the timeline as well as the damage caused by the Utrom Shredder. So the events of Turtles Forever happened, but when the Technodrome left and everyone went back to their own universes, the timeline repaired itself to the actual events of TMNT Vol. 1 #1