The sexual orientation of the TMNT - Page 4

Stingray69 · 09-24-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Stryker, that Rock expression made me crack up.

And, Stingray, that's my point. However, they aren't in a romantic relationship with April anyway, and she's willing to stick with them. But would other human women put up with that when they can have a relationship with a regular human man? No, I don't think so. I think there would be too many factors that would make it impossible for them to do so.

Woman stay with gang member, drug dealers and killers where there in constant danger. They also stay in relationships with abusive partners. I think they could find a woman to stay with them. Yea it would be hard and a strain on the relationship but I feel there's women out there that would take the risk. What woman wouldn't want to be with a hero, and for that matter look at any hero who has a family or a girlfriend/boyfriend there in constant danger.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-25-2011, 09:10 AM

Heroes, yes, but the Turtles are NINJAS. They weren't originally trained to be heroes. They were trained to take down Shredder on Splinter's orders to avenge Yoshi's death. Plus, they're mutants for Pete's sake. Can you think of any woman who'd want to date a mutant who has so many enemies that could take her out and kill her? I don't think so. Look, I know you have a delusion in your mind that the Turtles could find someone, and that's fine if you want to have that. But I'm of the opinion that such relationships aren't possible.

Stingray69 · 09-25-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Heroes, yes, but the Turtles are NINJAS. They weren't originally trained to be heroes. They were trained to take down Shredder on Splinter's orders to avenge Yoshi's death. Plus, they're mutants for Pete's sake. Can you think of any woman who'd want to date a mutant who has so many enemies that could take her out and kill her? I don't think so. Look, I know you have a delusion in your mind that the Turtles could find someone, and that's fine if you want to have that. But I'm of the opinion that such relationships aren't possible.

Hahaha O man ok lets just say where both delusional then and to each his own.

*Katie* · 09-25-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Plus, they're mutants for Pete's sake. Can you think of any woman who'd want to date a mutant who has so many enemies that could take her out and kill her? I don't think so. Look, I know you have a delusion in your mind that the Turtles could find someone, and that's fine if you want to have that. But I'm of the opinion that such relationships aren't possible.

I agree with you however...

Half the fangirls on this messageboard would be thrilled if a real live ninja turtle came and started that special relationship with them. The rest of us have real life relationships and don't need to fantasize about fictional characters.

Just look at the OP's comments. She basically states that Raphael is the kind of guy in her mind who doesn't care about looks. You could substitute Raphael with any other name. Internet fangirl dream. The turtles are particularly attractive for this because they're misunderstood....ugly....have to hide...isolated. THEY UNDERSTAND ME!!! They won't judge me the way awful real life guys do.

Whenever I see the Marysue turtle love commments I can guarantee the commenting person has had trouble in real life with guys....or has never had a relationship...and feels like these fictional characters would somehow provide a different outcome.

It is sad as hell.

*shuriken* · 09-25-2011, 01:08 PM

^^Tis a sad thing indeed
Honestly never thought about this much. I figured that they all at one point have had some sort of romantic relationship or at the very least romantic feelings with someone. We know Mikey and Leo have gotten laid at some point albeit Leo being the future.
Donnie seems like he would be the most likely to be celibate. This dude has mad scientists in a cellar and then kills them for being unredeemably evil. I don't know anyone who would want a relationship with that involved.
But if there was a Turtle that was gay it'd probably be Raph. He likes working out obsessively and at one point probabaly had a man cush on Casey. But he did have a long term relationship with Ninjara in the Archie books so whatever.
At the end of the day it all comes down to pure speculation and me not really caring so yeah.

turtles_kolektor · 09-25-2011, 01:29 PM

OH MY DEAR F****** GOD.
Dudes are You serious?
This thread is really about turtles having sex with humans etc?

World is falling apart....

If the turtles could have sex with humans then what about let's say Usagi or Bebop? Bebop could be a gay-friend to Vernon and Usagi should be a partner of Irma, he could train here to become a Lady-Ninja...lol

Strange thread...

*BubblyShell22* · 09-25-2011, 04:46 PM

Yes, I agree, Katie. I totally agree. It's just so funny how these people speculate what the Turtles are sexuality wise without realizing that they're freakin' fictional characters. Oy vey.

*Luzmagica* · 09-26-2011, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yes, I agree, Katie. I totally agree. It's just so funny how these people speculate what the Turtles are sexuality wise without realizing that they're freakin' fictional characters. Oy vey.

I agree too..., not just fictional characters, they are also well-defined personality archetypes which of course may be attractive to anyone ...

...."-To deny our impulses is to deny just what makes us human"...Matrix dixit.

......maybe turtles can deny all their instincts .... who knows...!

LotusBlossom · 09-26-2011, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

in the cases of Vernon Fenwick and Don Turttelli I think you are confusing "metrosexual" with gay. Bexter is clearly just a nerd who never got past the first stage of human interaction most likely due to his intelligence.

Trust me that no one who goes to my school could possibly confuse one for the other. There are simply far too many examples of each ... and the distinctions are readily apparent and abundantly clear.

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

It's just so funny how these people speculate what the Turtles are sexuality wise without realizing that they're freakin' fictional characters.

That's the difference between a reader and a writer (well, one of them, anyway). A writer would never, ever think that way. A writer sees her/his creations as fully functional (albeit "fictional") beings, despite naturally knowing that many/most of those traits will never be acknowledged onscreen. And this is true even if, admittedly, no one would ever confuse some "hired hack" (no offense to the OT scribes) with, say, Joyce Carol Oates.

Oh, and also, not a huge deal but .... to whoever it was who referred to me as "he": wouldn't it be rather odd for a guy to choose the username "LotusBlossom"?

Hey! Wait! ... Just exactly what kind of forum is this?!

*Katie* · 09-26-2011, 07:18 AM

That's bullsh*t. Reader or writer most people understand fiction (not full functional reality) vs. Fully functioning reality. I used to write a lot. I even have a few fanfictions here if you feel froggy enough to go search the archives. (They aren't that good so.....warning). None of them involve sex or turtles falling in love with girls.

I never thought the characters were real...fully functional. I never fantasized about what they would do. And I certianly never wondered about their sexuality. To me that is seriously creepy. Like standing in a mall wondering about the sex habits of the people that pass by....or wondering about the sex habits of co-workers. Or wondering about the sex habits of people who post here. Or hell, even wondering about your friends' sex lives. It's disturbing. If you are that curious or hung up about sex....you need to find someone to help you with that.

I assure you it won't be a fictional character. And I'll bet a hundy that once you do have a relationship with a real person.....turtle fantasy boyfriends will go away.

LotusBlossom · 09-26-2011, 07:38 AM

Wow ... some people are so defensive...

1) Simply spewing out a few "fan fictions" hardly qualifies someone as a "writer". I was referring to serious, legitimate people (professionals, students, etc).

2) Being quasi-curious about all aspects of fictional figures' "lives" is not nearly the same as fantasizing about those characters having sex. I mean, after all, that's what "fan fictions" are for.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-26-2011, 08:33 AM

Uh, I have to take offense at your first comment, LB. I have written many fan fictions myself, and while I may not be a professional writer, I am still a writer. It doesn't matter if you write fan fic, poetry, or orginal works. A writer is a writer no matter what.

I agree that being curious can help people understand things better, but when it comes to the Turtles' sexual orientation, that's a whole other ball game. It's just something that's very creepy.

Yes, I'm exploring the idea of a romance with one of the Turtles myself, but I'm putting in the complexity of how such a romance could work. I'm not going to make my OC fall in love with Leo right away, and I'm definitely not going to have them sleep with each other right away either. I'm portraying it in as realistic a fashion as I feel that such a romance could be. I want to be different from so many fan fic writers who have their own idea of the Turtles and their love lives. Hopefully, I can achieve that and let people see that it can be complicated for them to have a romantic life.

LotusBlossom · 09-26-2011, 09:21 AM

That's cool, BubblyShell22.

I presume all fan fictions are not created equal (and range wildly in content/quality).

However ... "Katie" basically stated that anyone who even dared give the slightest thought (at all) to the Turtles' romantic proclivities is automatically a "furry" (or in this case a "scaly"). Which is an egregious insult not only to other forum members, but also to simple common sense.

Besides, personally speaking, I only really referenced HUMAN characters. One of whom is a blatant gay stereotype (Vernon), and another of whom is essentially Waylon J. Smithers.

Oh, well! On the plus side, at least I got to use words like "proclivities" and "egregious" on a Ninja Turtles forum!

**Jester** · 09-26-2011, 04:56 PM

Ok...someone has too...

Cryomancer · 09-26-2011, 05:32 PM

*Donnie* · 09-27-2011, 12:14 AM

The fact that this thread has accumulated to 5 pages is testament that "sexual orientation" is a hot topic in our society, and you know why that is? Obviously, because it's dealing with sex. No matter how many of you deny it, deplore it, or criticize it - the fact is that even if you disagree with thinking that the Turtles could have have sex or not, you're still feeding into the idea of it altogether.

I realize my post did the same thing, but I'm really not up-in-arms about this whole thing. Just don't read the crap. Whatever the motives of those who created it, that's their skeleton to deal with. There's these kind of things with every single fandom that doesn't dive into sexual territory. Those of you who are into any other fandom should know that. For example, I'm a huge Lord of the Rings fan. Countless Legolas/Aragorn love pictures pop up on eBay if you search those characters. It bugs the hell out of me, but I just ignore it. Let's take another fandom, like Pokemon. Don't even get me started about the cartoon images we see involving Ash & co. People are driven by sex, it is the fundamental driving force of humanity, the most basic need after hunger. Sad but true.

I think what it boils down to is greatly surmised by Robert California of one of my favorite shows, The Office: "There is no such thing as a product. Don't ever think there is. There is only sex. You realize that what I'm telling you is a universal truth?"

I love every second of that show.

**Jester** · 09-27-2011, 08:25 AM

The big difference between the franchises you mentioned and Turtles though is that at least Ash and Misty or Legolas and Aragorn are similar species. With the Turtles you have mutant reptiles and human females, which makes it a bit more creepy.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-27-2011, 08:53 AM

And don't forget about the Mpreg. You see a lot of that, too. Oh, and the various Turtle babies as well. The way I see it, is that even if the Turtles could have sexual intercourse with a female, they couldn't reproduce. So, if they wanted kids, they'd have to adopt in order to have any. And, honestly, I can't see them wanting to put the stresses of their own lives on children. They'd want to keep their kids protected from that if they had any. Once again, another complexity about the Turtles' lives that people just don't speculate on.

**Jester** · 09-27-2011, 09:19 AM

Donatello's a smart lad, maybe he could clone some kids...

Then again, I kinda see adoption as a minor, unintentional story bit in the Mirage universe, so...

*plastroncafe* · 09-27-2011, 11:40 AM

If I could remove any one thing from Fandom as a whole, it's the need of nerds and geeks to demonize things they don't like. If the only way to make yourself feel better about the things you like is to make other people feel small, you have a problem. A serious problem.

It's okay to be squicked out by sex. It's not okay to label people who aren't as "creepy." It's okay to not be sexually receptive to anyone other than your partner, but it's not okay to label people who don't as "creepy."

Honestly? Methinks the geeks doth protest too much.
But then...I've seen all these arguments levied towards me for just being non-straight. So clearly I'm just biased.

As for the topic at hand, this is how I've handled it at the round-robin I've played at for the last 7 years.
Animals, by default, don't normally have the capacity for the same kind of love as humans have. They're not devoid of love, but it's...like the difference between an analog signal with rabbit-eared antenna and high-speed HD digital cable. So I only really had the turtles experience that level of eros after they'd been transformed into humans.

(My goal was to explore every single bad turtle fanfic convention in the most outlandish way possible. I've been pretty successful thus far.)

09-25-2011, 09:10 AM	#62
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Heroes, yes, but the Turtles are NINJAS. They weren't originally trained to be heroes. They were trained to take down Shredder on Splinter's orders to avenge Yoshi's death. Plus, they're mutants for Pete's sake. Can you think of any woman who'd want to date a mutant who has so many enemies that could take her out and kill her? I don't think so. Look, I know you have a delusion in your mind that the Turtles could find someone, and that's fine if you want to have that. But I'm of the opinion that such relationships aren't possible. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-25-2011, 01:08 PM	#65
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	^^Tis a sad thing indeed Honestly never thought about this much. I figured that they all at one point have had some sort of romantic relationship or at the very least romantic feelings with someone. We know Mikey and Leo have gotten laid at some point albeit Leo being the future. Donnie seems like he would be the most likely to be celibate. This dude has mad scientists in a cellar and then kills them for being unredeemably evil. I don't know anyone who would want a relationship with that involved. But if there was a Turtle that was gay it'd probably be Raph. He likes working out obsessively and at one point probabaly had a man cush on Casey. But he did have a long term relationship with Ninjara in the Archie books so whatever. At the end of the day it all comes down to pure speculation and me not really caring so yeah. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

09-25-2011, 01:29 PM	#66
turtles_kolektor Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Poland Posts: 1,478	OH MY DEAR F**** GOD. Dudes are You serious? This thread is really about turtles having sex with humans etc? World is falling apart.... If the turtles could have sex with humans then what about let's say Usagi or Bebop? Bebop could be a gay-friend to Vernon and Usagi should be a partner of Irma, he could train here to become a Lady-Ninja...lol Strange thread... __________________ FB: Polish Figure Collectors WWW:** Turtles_Kolektor TMNT Site

09-25-2011, 04:46 PM	#67
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes, I agree, Katie. I totally agree. It's just so funny how these people speculate what the Turtles are sexuality wise without realizing that they're freakin' fictional characters. Oy vey. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-26-2011, 07:18 AM	#70
Katie Just...way too serious. Join Date: May 2005 Location: purgatory Posts: 3,519	That's bullsh*t. Reader or writer most people understand fiction (not full functional reality) vs. Fully functioning reality. I used to write a lot. I even have a few fanfictions here if you feel froggy enough to go search the archives. (They aren't that good so.....warning). None of them involve sex or turtles falling in love with girls. I never thought the characters were real...fully functional. I never fantasized about what they would do. And I certianly never wondered about their sexuality. To me that is seriously creepy. Like standing in a mall wondering about the sex habits of the people that pass by....or wondering about the sex habits of co-workers. Or wondering about the sex habits of people who post here. Or hell, even wondering about your friends' sex lives. It's disturbing. If you are that curious or hung up about sex....you need to find someone to help you with that. I assure you it won't be a fictional character. And I'll bet a hundy that once you do have a relationship with a real person.....turtle fantasy boyfriends will go away. __________________ THE WORLD IS JUST AWESOME

09-26-2011, 07:38 AM	#71
LotusBlossom Thug Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: In the Bedroom of the House of Sand and Fog. Posts: 70	Wow ... some people are so defensive... 1) Simply spewing out a few "fan fictions" hardly qualifies someone as a "writer". I was referring to serious, legitimate people (professionals, students, etc). 2) Being quasi-curious about all aspects of fictional figures' "lives" is not nearly the same as fantasizing about those characters having sex. I mean, after all, that's what "fan fictions" are for. __________________ *"Online gaming hundreds of times the speed of your normal internet provider! So easy to use! And the surgery to implant the chip at the base of your spine is virtually painless!"*

09-26-2011, 08:33 AM	#72
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Uh, I have to take offense at your first comment, LB. I have written many fan fictions myself, and while I may not be a professional writer, I am still a writer. It doesn't matter if you write fan fic, poetry, or orginal works. A writer is a writer no matter what. I agree that being curious can help people understand things better, but when it comes to the Turtles' sexual orientation, that's a whole other ball game. It's just something that's very creepy. Yes, I'm exploring the idea of a romance with one of the Turtles myself, but I'm putting in the complexity of how such a romance could work. I'm not going to make my OC fall in love with Leo right away, and I'm definitely not going to have them sleep with each other right away either. I'm portraying it in as realistic a fashion as I feel that such a romance could be. I want to be different from so many fan fic writers who have their own idea of the Turtles and their love lives. Hopefully, I can achieve that and let people see that it can be complicated for them to have a romantic life. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-26-2011, 09:21 AM	#73
LotusBlossom Thug Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: In the Bedroom of the House of Sand and Fog. Posts: 70	That's cool, BubblyShell22. I presume all fan fictions are not created equal (and range wildly in content/quality). However ... "Katie" basically stated that anyone who even dared give the slightest thought (at all) to the Turtles' romantic proclivities is automatically a "furry" (or in this case a "scaly"). Which is an egregious insult not only to other forum members, but also to simple common sense. Besides, personally speaking, I only really referenced HUMAN characters. One of whom is a blatant gay stereotype (Vernon), and another of whom is essentially Waylon J. Smithers. Oh, well! On the plus side, at least I got to use words like "proclivities" and "egregious" on a Ninja Turtles forum! __________________ *"Online gaming hundreds of times the speed of your normal internet provider! So easy to use! And the surgery to implant the chip at the base of your spine is virtually painless!"*

09-26-2011, 04:56 PM	#74
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Ok...someone has too... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-26-2011, 05:32 PM	#75
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	__________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

09-27-2011, 12:14 AM	#76
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	The fact that this thread has accumulated to 5 pages is testament that "sexual orientation" is a hot topic in our society, and you know why that is? Obviously, because it's dealing with sex. No matter how many of you deny it, deplore it, or criticize it - the fact is that even if you disagree with thinking that the Turtles could have have sex or not, you're still feeding into the idea of it altogether. I realize my post did the same thing, but I'm really not up-in-arms about this whole thing. Just don't read the crap. Whatever the motives of those who created it, that's their skeleton to deal with. There's these kind of things with every single fandom that doesn't dive into sexual territory. Those of you who are into any other fandom should know that. For example, I'm a huge Lord of the Rings fan. Countless Legolas/Aragorn love pictures pop up on eBay if you search those characters. It bugs the hell out of me, but I just ignore it. Let's take another fandom, like Pokemon. Don't even get me started about the cartoon images we see involving Ash & co. People are driven by sex, it is the fundamental driving force of humanity, the most basic need after hunger. Sad but true. I think what it boils down to is greatly surmised by Robert California of one of my favorite shows, The Office: "There is no such thing as a product. Don't ever think there is. There is only sex. You realize that what I'm telling you is a universal truth?" I love every second of that show.

09-27-2011, 08:25 AM	#77
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	The big difference between the franchises you mentioned and Turtles though is that at least Ash and Misty or Legolas and Aragorn are similar species. With the Turtles you have mutant reptiles and human females, which makes it a bit more creepy. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

09-27-2011, 08:53 AM	#78
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	And don't forget about the Mpreg. You see a lot of that, too. Oh, and the various Turtle babies as well. The way I see it, is that even if the Turtles could have sexual intercourse with a female, they couldn't reproduce. So, if they wanted kids, they'd have to adopt in order to have any. And, honestly, I can't see them wanting to put the stresses of their own lives on children. They'd want to keep their kids protected from that if they had any. Once again, another complexity about the Turtles' lives that people just don't speculate on. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-27-2011, 09:19 AM	#79
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Donatello's a smart lad, maybe he could clone some kids... Then again, I kinda see adoption as a minor, unintentional story bit in the Mirage universe, so... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656