Are we really this bad? - Page 2

*Powder* · 10-14-2011, 02:53 PM

I think in regards to certain levels of being a fan, what he presents is a slightly exaggerated truth.

*Spitfire* · 10-14-2011, 03:36 PM

The fact this person had the free time to make 5 videos about this, and I use the term video loosely, speaks a lot to the kind of person they are. Which is a dildo with too much free time. "I'm a fan but I'm above hardcore fans" is a hilarious coping mechanism. This is probably the same guy who came on here a few years back asking for Leatherhead on April porn.

*gobo* · 10-14-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

This is probably the same guy who came on here a few years back asking for Leatherhead on April porn.

How did I ever miss something like that?

**Jester** · 10-14-2011, 04:48 PM

How could I not have kept missing it....

Logan · 10-14-2011, 06:21 PM

To answer the question of this topic; no. Everything that has a fan base will have people with a stick up their butt (I can think of a few on here, if I may be frank). Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Alien, Blade Runner... the list goes on. But these people are a very small minority and really aren't worth anyone's time. Don't feed the trolls, as the saying goes.

*Samhain* · 10-14-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

To answer the question of this topic; no. Everything that has a fan base will have people with a stick up their butt (I can think of a few on here, if I may be frank). Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Alien, Blade Runner... the list goes on. But these people are a very small minority and really aren't worth anyone's time. Don't feed the trolls, as the saying goes.

THIS.

Every fandom has it. But it shouldn't ruin the good name of an entire fandom just because you don't like what some people like to do with it. I have made many friendships on this forum and I don't let some of the buttards on here ruin anything for me. Keep strong and carry on.

*ToTheNines* · 10-14-2011, 07:08 PM

This guy's a prick. Yeah, there's turtle-cest odd balls out there, but they're definitely not so common that their existence warrants a "rant video".

*Powder* · 10-14-2011, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This guy's a prick. Yeah, there's turtle-cest odd balls out there, but they're definitely not so common that their existence warrants a "rant video".

Well, they are in the community of creation. Sites for fan art (deviantart, for example) is riddled with it. I'm sure the same could be said for writers.

**Machias Banshee** · 10-14-2011, 07:36 PM

Deviantart is chuck full of the stuff. You either have some sort of cest/smut works, or you have some weird kind of anime chibi turtles getting dressed up as food or women. Yet It's also very heavy in the Transformers fandom as well.

I think it's just one of those 'standards' of fandoms. Ultra violent/super smutty/incest/overly cutesy/fangirl-boy insertions...

Tuxedo Moroboshi · 10-14-2011, 07:39 PM

Honestly? I think this guy made some very good points. Granted, he sort of generalized the fandom a bit, but I'm more than certain that most of who he's talking about are people he's come across on YouTube (and YouTube is full of pricks).

The starting rant about yaoi fanfiction from female fans and whatnot may turn you off to what he has to say, but if you listen to the whole thing, you'll realize he makes a lot of good points. Does his video describe ALL of us? Certainly not. I think he made some very good points, but his only fault is how he generalized the entire fandom, when really, he's only describing a portion of it which he's been unfortunate enough to constantly encounter.

*Slap-Happy* · 10-14-2011, 07:40 PM

I can't stand half of the turtles stuff I see on DA.

We either have really cool peices of art, or turtlecest, Mary sue, etc.

I find all of the "Mary Sue" characters to be extremely dumb. Whenever I see one I almost let out an audible "Ughh...". It just baffles me. Why would ANYONE want to be in a relationship with a f*cking turtle?

*gobo* · 10-14-2011, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

insertions...

Watch your mouth!

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Originally Posted by The Chicken Whisperer

I find all of the "Mary Sue" characters to be extremely dumb. Whenever I see one I almost let out an audible "Ughh...". It just baffles me. Why would ANYONE want to be in a relationship with a f*cking turtle?

You using an alternate definition of "Mary-Sue" than what I'm familliar with? O_o Sure does seem like it.

Dirty Blond · 10-14-2011, 08:18 PM

At the end of one of his TMNT comparison videos, he displayed a fan-made racked-out April O'Neil. Cleavage for days.

I'm sure he had a good reason for doing so.

*Slap-Happy* · 10-14-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo

You using an alternate definition of "Mary-Sue" than what I'm familliar with? O_o Sure does seem like it.

From Wikipedia:

"A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfillment fantasy for the author or reader."

*Redeemer* · 10-14-2011, 10:04 PM

Glad I stay away from deviant art

Its really unfortunate are fandom doesnt get the respect it deserves...

*DrSpengler* · 10-14-2011, 10:08 PM

Honestly, I think the guy had some good points and many I sympathize with... but his mistake was generalizing an entire fanbase by those stereotypes.

His observations definately apply to a good number of individuals in this fandom, whom I find just as loathsome as he does, but it's a fallacy to think we all behave that way.

*plastroncafe* · 10-15-2011, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Machias Banshee

Deviantart is chuck full of the stuff. You either have some sort of cest/smut works, or you have some weird kind of anime chibi turtles getting dressed up as food or women. Yet It's also very heavy in the Transformers fandom as well.

I think it's just one of those 'standards' of fandoms. Ultra violent/super smutty/incest/overly cutesy/fangirl-boy insertions...

It shouldn't come as a complete surprise that stuff is prevalent there. I mean, it is called Deviant Art afterall.

I'm sure he does make some valid points. Even broken clocks are right twice a day. However, if he's interested in making friends and positively influencing people this guy needs to get out of his mom's basement, shave his neckbeard, and learn how to talk like a grown up.

(He's not the only one who can sling broad-based negative stereotypes.)

**Jester** · 10-15-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Honestly, I think the guy had some good points and many I sympathize with... but his mistake was generalizing an entire fanbase by those stereotypes.

His observations definitely apply to a good number of individuals in this fandom, whom I find just as loathsome as he does, but it's a fallacy to think we all behave that way.

I agree with the Doc and my fellow professional clown. The good points seem buried under the rampant generalization of the TMNT fanbase as a whole. I mean, he is certainly not the only fan who finds Turtle-sest fan "works" distasteful. Don't we have former members who were banned for such crap, FGS.

Mandi-chan · 10-15-2011, 10:21 AM

I think the guy who did this video made a few good/valid points, I used to be guilty of a couple of things he ranted about: having once written an awful fanfic featuring an unintentional Mary-Sue, and also being a bit of a hot-head in my defense of loving the new toon and disliking the old one...

The thing is, I grew out of it and am honestly embarrassed by my ugly fangirlisms from a few years ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's gone through that.

Honestly though, the stuff he complains about in this video is something that I don't really see around here anymore (although, to be fair I've been more of a lurker here over the last couple of years than an active member...but you'd think, as a lurker, that the negative qualities of a fandom would be more noticable).

*Cowabunga Carl* · 10-15-2011, 11:39 AM

I too read more then I post. From time to time people have disagreements but most of the time it comes down to agreeing to disagree. I haven't seen much of the things he described here on the Tdorm.

10-14-2011, 03:36 PM	#22
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	The fact this person had the free time to make 5 videos about this, and I use the term video loosely, speaks a lot to the kind of person they are. Which is a dildo with too much free time. "I'm a fan but I'm above hardcore fans" is a hilarious coping mechanism. This is probably the same guy who came on here a few years back asking for Leatherhead on April porn. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

10-14-2011, 04:48 PM	#24
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	How could I not have kept missing it.... __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-14-2011, 06:21 PM	#25
Logan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 483	To answer the question of this topic; no. Everything that has a fan base will have people with a stick up their butt (I can think of a few on here, if I may be frank). Star Wars, Star Trek, Batman, Alien, Blade Runner... the list goes on. But these people are a very small minority and really aren't worth anyone's time. Don't feed the trolls, as the saying goes. __________________ We're a team; and as a team let's go kick some ass! -Leonardo Logan the Layman Critic, a youtube channel for movie reviews and animation appreciation. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjn...xrKPml1WlYh6Mw

10-14-2011, 07:39 PM	#30
Tuxedo Moroboshi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Battle Nexus Posts: 1,127	Honestly? I think this guy made some very good points. Granted, he sort of generalized the fandom a bit, but I'm more than certain that most of who he's talking about are people he's come across on YouTube (and YouTube is full of pricks). The starting rant about yaoi fanfiction from female fans and whatnot may turn you off to what he has to say, but if you listen to the whole thing, you'll realize he makes a lot of good points. Does his video describe ALL of us? Certainly not. I think he made some very good points, but his only fault is how he generalized the entire fandom, when really, he's only describing a portion of it which he's been unfortunate enough to constantly encounter. __________________ Hey, be sure to check out my art!

10-14-2011, 10:04 PM	#35
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	Glad I stay away from deviant art Its really unfortunate are fandom doesnt get the respect it deserves... __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

10-14-2011, 02:53 PM	#21
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	I think in regards to certain levels of being a fan, what he presents is a slightly exaggerated truth.

10-14-2011, 07:08 PM	#27
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,366	This guy's a prick. Yeah, there's turtle-cest odd balls out there, but they're definitely not so common that their existence warrants a "rant video".

10-14-2011, 07:36 PM	#29
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Deviantart is chuck full of the stuff. You either have some sort of cest/smut works, or you have some weird kind of anime chibi turtles getting dressed up as food or women. Yet It's also very heavy in the Transformers fandom as well. I think it's just one of those 'standards' of fandoms. Ultra violent/super smutty/incest/overly cutesy/fangirl-boy insertions...

10-14-2011, 07:40 PM	#31
Slap-Happy Bad Boy Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,911	I can't stand half of the turtles stuff I see on DA. We either have really cool peices of art, or turtlecest, Mary sue, etc. I find all of the "Mary Sue" characters to be extremely dumb. Whenever I see one I almost let out an audible "Ughh...". It just baffles me. Why would ANYONE want to be in a relationship with a f*cking turtle?

10-14-2011, 08:18 PM	#33
Dirty Blond Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 827	At the end of one of his TMNT comparison videos, he displayed a fan-made racked-out April O'Neil. Cleavage for days. I'm sure he had a good reason for doing so.

10-14-2011, 10:08 PM	#36
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	Honestly, I think the guy had some good points and many I sympathize with... but his mistake was generalizing an entire fanbase by those stereotypes. His observations definately apply to a good number of individuals in this fandom, whom I find just as loathsome as he does, but it's a fallacy to think we all behave that way.

10-15-2011, 10:21 AM	#39
Mandi-chan Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 932	I think the guy who did this video made a few good/valid points, I used to be guilty of a couple of things he ranted about: having once written an awful fanfic featuring an unintentional Mary-Sue, and also being a bit of a hot-head in my defense of loving the new toon and disliking the old one... The thing is, I grew out of it and am honestly embarrassed by my ugly fangirlisms from a few years ago. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's gone through that. Honestly though, the stuff he complains about in this video is something that I don't really see around here anymore (although, to be fair I've been more of a lurker here over the last couple of years than an active member...but you'd think, as a lurker, that the negative qualities of a fandom would be more noticable).

10-15-2011, 11:39 AM	#40
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	I too read more then I post. From time to time people have disagreements but most of the time it comes down to agreeing to disagree. I haven't seen much of the things he described here on the Tdorm.