Alopex or Ninjara

Hermano Dyvas · 12-12-2011, 10:11 AM

Now, I don't mean to criticise with this thread. But I just can't shake this feeling. Alopex might as well have been Ninjara.

I mean, imagine reading the raphael one-shot with Ninjara, to me it wouldn't make any difference if Alopex was Ninjara, the only difference I can think of is that Raph's monologue about the fox moving in with them would be a bigger throwback to archie though I guess that sort of was the case with Alopex too, at least to me.

I don't mean to say Alopex is a bad character and I'm sure she has potential to be interesting but she is just so similar to Ninjara she doesn't feel very original. The biggest differences I can think of is that Ninjara wasn't a mutant and Alopex most probably is.

I wonder if the writers actually thought of using Ninjara when writing this issue... Maybe I should ask.

I heard some people say Ninjara is a silly name, I think it's ok, but even so that could be easily fixed by using her real name "Umeko".

How do you guys feel about all this? Would it have made a difference to you if they actually used Ninjara instead?

*CyberCubed* · 12-12-2011, 10:20 AM

Ninjara had 50 issues or so of screentime so naturally I like her more than a character with one appearance.

azrael · 12-12-2011, 10:24 AM

I have only seen 1 issue featuring Ninjara and that was the XxX comic... I like them equally

AcidBurn30 · 12-12-2011, 10:53 AM

i like her, but i do see what your saying...but she was being use by Bebop and Rockstady to get rapahel and know where the turtles/splinter lair.

CrazySquirrel · 12-12-2011, 11:11 AM

Man I hope around issue 30 Ninjara shows up and kicks her ass.

That would be too good.

Hermano Dyvas · 12-12-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Ninjara had 50 issues or so of screentime so naturally I like her more than a character with one appearance.

I don't mean to ask which character is better, obviously most will answer that question with a similar answer like yours.

I just wondered if anyone else thought Alopex might just have well been Ninjara here and if it would have felt different to you.

*Cowabunga Carl* · 12-12-2011, 12:26 PM

See to me if it was Ninjara I would have preconceived ideas of where the character would go. Having it be a brand new character I feel they can do whatever they want with her and not have to pigeonhole her into set idea.

Hermano Dyvas · 12-12-2011, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Hob

See to me if it was Ninjara I would have preconceived ideas of where the character would go. Having it be a brand new character I feel they can do whatever they want with her and not have to pigeonhole her into set idea.

I must admit you make a very good point, I hadn't looked at it that way yet...

*ToTheNines* · 12-12-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

I just wondered if anyone else thought Alopex might just have well been Ninjara here and if it would have felt different to you.

No. Like Andrew said in another thread, Ninjara is a stupid name. Plus this new character is a mutant for obvious reasons, whereas Ninjara was from a race of fox-people.

Hermano Dyvas · 12-12-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

No. Like Andrew said in another thread, Ninjara is a stupid name. Plus this new character is a mutant for obvious reasons, whereas Ninjara was from a race of fox-people.

I actually mentioned these things in my opening post.

You can fix the issues with the name Ninjara by changing it to her real name "Umeko". Problem solved.

And yes, I agreed Ninjara was from a race of fox-people unlike Alopex but Splinter and Leatherhead were originally animals and look at their Archie origins, both started out as humans....

But I don't want or mean to bash on Alopex' character, and she serves the purpose Old Hob mentioned at least. But yeah,... keeps feeling like a white ninjara to me

. It could change once we learn more about her.

*Powder* · 12-12-2011, 04:31 PM

While I have nothing against either character, I'm not a big fan of 'em. Curious to see what happens with Alopex, though.

jaymq · 12-13-2011, 04:47 AM

Ninjara wasn't a mutant with wall-crawling claws

I agree with Old Hob though. Making a new characters let's them do what they want without feeling cornered.

Whatever the case though, I'm more concerned with the fact the comic only focuses on Raph so far. Ehhh~

Hermano Dyvas · 12-13-2011, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by moosandra

Whatever the case though, I'm more concerned with the fact the comic only focuses on Raph so far. Ehhh~

I'm going to post off-topic here but I think we are past this point now, it was necesarry to focus more on Raph the last few issues because of the story and you can't bring out a Raphael one-shot without him being the lead of course.

Though I must say the last 2 issues the other turtles got some decent development as well, especially Donnie was interesting with his cold logical way of thinking, dropping the search for Raph because he's probably dead, letting Raph kill Old Hob because it makes sense not to let him get up again.

Cool stuff.

*Coola Yagami* · 12-13-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

I'm going to post off-topic here but I think we are past this point now, it was necesarry to focus more on Raph the last few issues because of the story and you can't bring out a Raphael one-shot without him being the lead of course.

Though I must say the last 2 issues the other turtles got some decent development as well, especially Donnie was interesting with his cold logical way of thinking, dropping the search for Raph because he's probably dead, letting Raph kill Old Hob because it makes sense not to let him get up again.

Cool stuff.

interesting scenario had it been Don meeting up with Old Hob, alone, one on one... Don would have killed him, or let him die. What would Splinter or his brothers said/done?

jaymq · 12-14-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermano Dyvas

I'm going to post off-topic here but I think we are past this point now, it was necesarry to focus more on Raph the last few issues because of the story and you can't bring out a Raphael one-shot without him being the lead of course.

Though I must say the last 2 issues the other turtles got some decent development as well, especially Donnie was interesting with his cold logical way of thinking, dropping the search for Raph because he's probably dead, letting Raph kill Old Hob because it makes sense not to let him get up again.

Cool stuff.

Heh, yea. A Raph issue is gonna focus on Raph obviously. Didn't mean to insinuate otherwise. Just feels like that focus more on Raph than any other char at the moment.. and Raph's my favorite. I just wanna see the others personalities explored more so I can get a good feel of them. The turtle's personalities can make or break it for me. Forgot about the tiff with Don though, I'll have to go reread already it seems -- if I can find where I put them.

Zage · 12-22-2011, 11:57 AM

I like Alopex, she's a cool, new character. Ninjara is awesome, too, but, they're 2 different characters, just cause they're both ninjetic foxes, doesn't necessarrily mean Alopex is a rip off of Ninjara. That'd be like saying all for TMNT's are a rip off of eachother, cause they're all teens & ninjas, or that Slash & Tokka are rip offs of them, or eachother.

Hermano Dyvas · 12-22-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zage

I like Alopex, she's a cool, new character. Ninjara is awesome, too, but, they're 2 different characters, just cause they're both ninjetic foxes, doesn't necessarrily mean Alopex is a rip off of Ninjara. That'd be like saying all for TMNT's are a rip off of eachother, cause they're all teens & ninjas, or that Slash & Tokka are rip offs of them, or eachother.

Not really. There are distinct differences between all those characters, between Ninjara and Alopex I don't see these as much yet, besides the origin. That's not to say there can't be more distinct differences between them in the future.

Right now I can read Raphael #1 imagining Ninjara instead of Alopex and it would not be weird.

I can't read Archie Slash stories imagining Tokka instead because that would feel weird.

Metropoliskid41 · 12-22-2011, 12:31 PM

I agree that going with a new character eliminates the constraints of where everyone thinks the character (Ninjara) should be or what they should do. This way they can take it a whole different characterization route and not make anyone too mad.

I also remember reading something about IDW not having the rights to Ninjara since she was an Archie creation. Can anyone verify that or was that someone grasping at straws?

Hermano Dyvas · 12-22-2011, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Metropoliskid41

I agree that going with a new character eliminates the constraints of where everyone thinks the character (Ninjara) should be or what they should do. This way they can take it a whole different characterization route and not make anyone too mad.

I also remember reading something about IDW not having the rights to Ninjara since she was an Archie creation. Can anyone verify that or was that someone grasping at straws?

From what I heard Murphy sold Ninjara to Mirage so I think IDW could use her should they choose to.

12-12-2011, 10:24 AM	#3
azrael Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: loganville, ga Posts: 1,362	I have only seen 1 issue featuring Ninjara and that was the XxX comic... I like them equally __________________ Creator of The Death Poppets

12-13-2011, 04:47 AM	#12
jaymq Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 435	Ninjara wasn't a mutant with wall-crawling claws I agree with Old Hob though. Making a new characters let's them do what they want without feeling cornered. Whatever the case though, I'm more concerned with the fact the comic only focuses on Raph so far. Ehhh~ __________________ Nom

12-22-2011, 11:57 AM	#16
Zage Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 255	I like Alopex, she's a cool, new character. Ninjara is awesome, too, but, they're 2 different characters, just cause they're both ninjetic foxes, doesn't necessarrily mean Alopex is a rip off of Ninjara. That'd be like saying all for TMNT's are a rip off of eachother, cause they're all teens & ninjas, or that Slash & Tokka are rip offs of them, or eachother. __________________ My top 10 "never been made" figures that I wanna see are: Dreadmon Ninjara Jagwar Roadkill Rodney Lt. Granitor generic Stone Warrior/ Rock Soldier {preferably a 2-pack, one orangy brown, the other bluish grey} Kid Terra Bookwurm /w/ Innardo Tora Shogun Do you ever wonder, if Baxter, as the fly, ever had the urge to eat poop?

12-22-2011, 12:31 PM	#18
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	I agree that going with a new character eliminates the constraints of where everyone thinks the character (Ninjara) should be or what they should do. This way they can take it a whole different characterization route and not make anyone too mad. I also remember reading something about IDW not having the rights to Ninjara since she was an Archie creation. Can anyone verify that or was that someone grasping at straws? __________________ -------------------

12-12-2011, 10:11 AM	#1
Hermano Dyvas Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Europe Posts: 355	Alopex or Ninjara Now, I don't mean to criticise with this thread. But I just can't shake this feeling. Alopex might as well have been Ninjara. I mean, imagine reading the raphael one-shot with Ninjara, to me it wouldn't make any difference if Alopex was Ninjara, the only difference I can think of is that Raph's monologue about the fox moving in with them would be a bigger throwback to archie though I guess that sort of was the case with Alopex too, at least to me. I don't mean to say Alopex is a bad character and I'm sure she has potential to be interesting but she is just so similar to Ninjara she doesn't feel very original. The biggest differences I can think of is that Ninjara wasn't a mutant and Alopex most probably is. I wonder if the writers actually thought of using Ninjara when writing this issue... Maybe I should ask. I heard some people say Ninjara is a silly name, I think it's ok, but even so that could be easily fixed by using her real name "Umeko". How do you guys feel about all this? Would it have made a difference to you if they actually used Ninjara instead?

12-12-2011, 10:20 AM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,713	Ninjara had 50 issues or so of screentime so naturally I like her more than a character with one appearance.

12-12-2011, 10:53 AM	#4
AcidBurn30 Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: california Posts: 155	i like her, but i do see what your saying...but she was being use by Bebop and Rockstady to get rapahel and know where the turtles/splinter lair.

12-12-2011, 11:11 AM	#5
CrazySquirrel Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 147	Man I hope around issue 30 Ninjara shows up and kicks her ass. That would be too good.

12-12-2011, 12:26 PM	#7
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	See to me if it was Ninjara I would have preconceived ideas of where the character would go. Having it be a brand new character I feel they can do whatever they want with her and not have to pigeonhole her into set idea.

12-12-2011, 04:31 PM	#11
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	While I have nothing against either character, I'm not a big fan of 'em. Curious to see what happens with Alopex, though.