IDW multi-colored masks

[Metropoliskid41]

I posted nothing new, I didn't say that they'll be sporting one or the other at all, just said they deal with that issue very well, this is nothing new, Bobby has made that comment numerous times.

[Hermano Dyvas]

Alright, the cat's out of the bag it seems. I haven't read the issue yet but are there any red bandana fans who have been converted by IDW's reason for the colored bandana's?

[Powder]

No. We accept it, realize it could be worse both in backstory & execution, but it's still a change that we don't care for.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Powder

No. We accept it, realize it could be worse both in backstory & execution, but it's still a change that we don't care for.

Yup.

I'll get over it.

[Toby Barrett]

I prefer it this way anyway.

[stormbringer]

I'm fine with the multi-color bandanas, sense that's what I'm most used to anyway.

[Toby Barrett]

And now a word from Bobby himself.

Now that #5 is out I thought I'd share a little bit about the whole bandana thing.

Obviously, #5 spoilers here!

I'm kind of surprised how little I remember about the first days of this book... I guess a lot was going on, and I wasn't neck deep in all the decisions going on like I am now (Editor Scott Dunbier had a lot of the initial talks with Nickelodeon).

I think Nickelodeon was a little surprised that we wanted to go with red bandanas at the start, but to their immense credit, they never had any problem with it. I do think their surprise planted a seed of a thought in Tom's mind. I remember very early on Tom saying "you know, I think I have an idea of how to make the colored bandanas work."

I gave him a furrowed brow. My first exposure to Turtles was the toon, but my LAST big exposure, as a teenager, was to Mirage, Vol. 1-3 (shocking confession, I STILL haven't read all of Tales Vol. 2). I LOVED the red bandanas. They're bad ass. And we had established them in our IDW book. Why change to colored bandanas?

I expressed my reservation to Tom, but Kevin was all for the idea, so I decided to wait for the script.

And sure enough, I loved the script. It worked, and it felt organic. If we were EVER going to make the change, now was the time, story-wise. We're trying to make this a book a celebration of all Turtles that have come before (while adding some important new things, and moving forward), and it seemed like the script did that. I know some people love the red bandanas, and there are very valid arguments to be made in their favor. But to me at least, the switch didn't feel artificial. It felt like it fit in the story. At the end of the day, that's all that really matters to me. I was a skeptic of the color, and I was won over, so I can only hope others are too. I'm sure some aren't.

Moreover, we get tons of requests for the colored bandanas. To a lot of people THAT is what feels natural and normal. That being said, we also get tons of requests to keep them all red. There's a definite split. I hope that we've paid homage to the red bandanas in a truthful way. My heart still lies with them. There's the saying that if you try to please everyone, you please no one. Hopefully that's not the case here, and it's clear we're coming at it from a place of love and respect.

I tried my best to keep the switch a secret because I honestly believed the best way for the switch to be presented was how we did it in the story. Unfortunately some rumors got out, and it wasn't a very good secret, the past month or so.

And, of course, there is the Raph micro. That script was written and art was started before the #5 script was completed. Had #5 been completed, I would have had Raph changed so we don't see the other Turtles at all. (And I needed to have Raph take place after #5, cuz well... he needed his sais in that story!). So thus I asked the colorist on Raph to do the impossible... try and keep the Turtles in the shadows, and make their colors as muted as possible. He did an admirable job with an impossible task. I thought about just making them all red, to keep the secret, but that would make no sense to the four people who think about such things, after #5 was read. I'd rather the color surprise be spoiled a little than have something that made no sense (the Turtles all having red, even though Raph has his sais, so it's clearly post #5 in story continuity). This ended up being the right decision as word slipped out before Raph even hit the stands, regardless.

The covers for #7 and #8 also show all red bandanas. I've got other versions of those with color that will see print. I'll try and remember to share those when I get back. This all felt a little deceptive on my part, but I thought it was important to try and keep the surprise in #5, or at least not completely confirm any rumors.

There you have it. My thoughts on the issue. Dunno if this stuff is interesting at all, but thought I'd share.

http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewt...=267376#267376

[Hermano Dyvas]

Thanks Toby, that was an interesting post. I hope to find out for myself soon when I'll finally get to read #5.

[Matches Malone]

So what Bobby is saying is... it's all Tom's fault. Just kidding. Not my preference, but I definitely respect and appreciate the love that is going into this project.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

So what Bobby is saying is... it's all Tom's fault.

Hah! I wasn't going to say it...

[Powder]

"Moreover, we get tons of requests for the colored bandanas."

Yes, from casuals, who will drop the book before issue ten.

[Toby Barrett]

Kevin was all for the idea too.

Originally Posted by Powder

"Moreover, we get tons of requests for the colored bandanas."

Yes, from casuals, who will drop the book before issue ten.

You don't know that.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Toby Barrett

Kevin was all for the idea too.



You don't know that.

Kevin isn't as against the old toon stuff as Peter was. But I think he wanted all red for the series.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't like it, but I'll still read the comic

[Grimlock]

Originally Posted by Powder

"Moreover, we get tons of requests for the colored bandanas."

Yes, from casuals, who will drop the book before issue ten.

I agree with this. It's about damn time people need to start realizing the turtles wore red originally. If in every continuity they have muti-colored bandanas, the number of idots saying, ''Is that Raph''? grows and grows. Now, we have no red bandana Tmnt.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Grimlock

I agree with this. It's about damn time people need to start realizing the turtles wore red originally. If in every continuity they have muti-colored bandanas, the number of idiots saying, ''Is that Raph''? grows and grows.

That's probably the saddest part to me. The whole business about, "There's so many more people out there that know the TMNT as Blue, Orange, Purple, and Red!" ... well guess what? When this project could have helped raise awareness (at no detriment to itself, as the issues so far have proven) to a look more synonymous with the source material and the TMNT as the TMNT were always intended (before the toys, before the McTMNT™)... its jumping aboard the Rainbow Bandwagon only makes worse the very thing they're worried about.

It's like some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. You know the germaphobe assclown that goes to the public bathroom and closes the door with his shoe and flushes the toilet with his shoe because he doesn't want to touch any germs? Guess what happens to the next guy who goes into the stall who isn't a germaphobe... the poor bastard is gonna get a handful of sh*t the last guy kicked up onto the door and toilet handle from his dirty-ass shoe and probably get sick. <-- this is IDW on the bandanna issue.

That we know Nick/Viacom gave the red bandannas their full blessing ad nauseum only makes things even more sad and... I'll go ahead and say it (and I don't mean this personally)... yes, a little bit chicken sh*t. But I respect that Tom believes in his decision, even if I cannot agree with it.

If the writing or story or plotting were dodgy it would be easy to rip apart the whole thing... but that's simply not the case. Tom is a beast of a writer and he's managed to pretty well pull all of us into the yarn he's spinning. So far the bandanna issue is the one grimace-inducing thing of the whole affair, so as much as I do see it as an important issue and hate to see others downplay it as something that is not, I can't -- in good conscience -- throw the baby out with the bathwater over it.

[Grimlock]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

That's probably the saddest part to me. The whole business about, "There's so many more people out there that know the TMNT as Blue, Orange, Purple, and Red!" ... well guess what? When this project could have helped raise awareness (at no detriment to itself, as the issues so far have proven) to a look more synonymous with the source material and the TMNT as the TMNT were always intended (before the toys, before the McTMNT™)... its jumping aboard the Rainbow Bandwagon only makes worse the very thing they're worried about.

It's like some kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. You know the germaphobe assclown that goes to the public bathroom and closes the door with his shoe and flushes the toilet with his shoe because he doesn't want to touch any germs? Guess what happens to the next guy who goes in there who isn't a germaphobe... they're gonna get a handful of sh*t the last guy kicked up onto the door and toilet handle and probably get sick. <-- this is IDW on the bandanna issue.

That we know Nick/Viacom gave the red bandannas their full blessing ad nauseum only makes things even more sad and... I'll go ahead and say it (and I don't mean this personally)... yes, a little bit chicken sh*t.

If the writing or story or plotting were dodgy it would be easy to rip apart the whole thing... but that's simply not the case. Tom is a beast of a writer and he's managed to pretty well pull all of us into the yarn he's spinning. So far the bandanna issue is the one grimace-inducing thing of the whole affair, so as much as I do see it as an important issue and hate to see others downplay it as something that is not, I can't -- in good conscience -- throw the baby out with the bathwater over it.

Well said sir. Well said.

Soooo, the explanation for the skittle bandanas is it was each of their favorite colors? Or is there more to that story? Because honestly if that's it, 'tis pretty goofy. Nick didn't even have an issue with the all red. Wtf. This was not a change that needed to be made and I'm extremely dissapointed in the change. Mirage is gone and so are the red bandana Tmnt.

[Samhain]

My question is, why in the hell did we get covers with all 4 turtles together with red headbands? I realize the first few issue covers had nothing to do with the story but still, it's a little wonky.

Like I said, there really isn't any ''cool'' or interesting way to introduce the colored bandanas. I would have much rather them switched it up and say the turtles were wearing all red in honor of their mother, ya know? That way it means something and we can still keep the all red headbands to pay tribute to Eastman and Laird. I am LOVING everything IDW is doing so keep at it Tom, but the bandana change left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. And to hear Nick was okay with the all red makes it sting even worse. Still, fantastic issue. Can't wait for # 6!

Oh, and why can't Kevin's variant covers stay with the all red turtles? It's just a variant and if anyone's cover should have them in red it should be Kevin's.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Samhain

Oh, and why can't Kevin's variant covers stay with the all red turtles? It's just a variant and if anyone's cover should have them in red it should be Kevin's.

The answer would likely be "because that would be misleading/misrepresentational"... but then he already hasn't really been drawing the IDW TMNT with their kind of joint wraps and all that.

[Slap-Happy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The answer would likely be "because that would be misleading/misrepresentational"... but then he already hasn't really been drawing the IDW TMNT with their kind of joint wraps and all that.

Sam Kieth's #1 cover has colored bandanas. Kevin's still could have red bandanas.