How does the IDW series compare to the Mirage series? - Page 2

FearlessLeader · 01-31-2012, 07:55 PM

We are only six issues in, how can I make any kind of logical judgement as to how I will feel about the IDW series when the characters are barely even developed yet.

*Powder* · 01-31-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Blond

This may be a topic for another thread, but does anyone think the Turtles will return to their grittier roots?

In rainbow masks? Prolly not.

You asked for it.

*CyberCubed* · 01-31-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Blond

This may be a topic for another thread, but does anyone think the Turtles will return to their grittier roots?

We'll likely have to wait for the first Foot Soldier fight for sure.

*ToTheNines* · 01-31-2012, 08:34 PM

This book's already had some sweet kills in it, the Turtle's will follow suit.

*CyberCubed* · 01-31-2012, 08:53 PM

I am honestly wondering if IDW is going to adapt the main Mirage plotlines, like Return to New York or City at War. We're seeing the Mouser story adapted and it seems like the Leo special will be very similar to the Mirage original. I wouldn't be surprised if April and the Turtles do escape NY again.

If anything it'll be a different take on familiar stories, much like the 4kids adaptions of the Mirage material. Only unlike 4kids, IDW doesn't have to tone anything down for kids.

*ToTheNines* · 01-31-2012, 09:03 PM

I hope they don't do City at War.

*Powder* · 01-31-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I hope they don't do City at War.

I hope they don't do ANY of that. It would have certain perks I guess (though I can think of none) but I want original content.

Matches Malone · 01-31-2012, 10:34 PM

It really is tough to say this early on, but I do think it's shaping up to possibly be better (which unfortunately I can't say for those other "Ultimate Universes") than the original comics. At the same time, it's quite different, so it's not like Mirage will exactly go obsolete, will it. Mirage will always stand out as the independent phenomenon which took chances that IDW probably won't or can't take. Besides, there's no way anyone can touch Return To New York aka TMNT perfection.

However, with IDW carefully crafting this universe and paying close attention to how all the pieces fit together, it just might become a better overall series with its consistent continuity (something Mirage lost sight of unfortunately 11 issues in), quality art and writing. If in the end, I can look back on 50+ issues of a series that told one great TMNT story with its share of twists and turns and gritty moments, it will basically be what I've been hoping for since I was introduced to the turtles. I think once the TPBs start rolling out we'll be able to better see the "big picture" and be able to appreciate even more the direction it's going.

*CyberCubed* · 01-31-2012, 10:50 PM

IDW is definitely more streamlined. With one head writer (Tom Waltz), along with Kevin Eastman, as well as other writers such as Tristan and Brian Lynch doing the specials, it is all coming together quite nicely.

The Mirage series had absolutely no direction after Return to New York. The IDW series won't have that problem.

And as others have said, the fact that they're taking storylines and characters from the cartoons prove that they'll never run out of material. I am still waiting for the first 4kids-centric character to show up for that matter.

*Powder* · 01-31-2012, 10:56 PM

I'm sure I'd like the series a lot more if the issues were longer. As much as the wait would kill me, I'd be better off holding out for the collected paperbacks every few months. Can't do that, though. Couldn't stand it. At least the re-reads will be better that way.

*Samhain* · 01-31-2012, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I'm sure I'd like the series a lot more if the issues were longer. As much as the wait would kill me, I'd be better off holding out for the collected paperbacks every few months. Can't do that, though. Couldn't stand it. At least the re-reads will be better that way.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I love getting my comics every moth, and then the waiting and hyping up for the next issue. But it is nice after all that and read the TPB. Read all at once it just flows better. I often have to go back an issue when a new one comes out because I tend to forget some details.

Abnormal Freak · 02-01-2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

I voted "Worse", but that does not accurately reflect my views. Worse implies that it's bad, which it isn't at all!

To take this further, "Worse" for me implies that the thing it's being compared to is also bad. :p

Mirage all the way. IDW's shite is cool too, though.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 02-01-2012, 06:29 AM

Where's the "way too early to tell" option?

We're talking eight issues vs. what, 62 regular issues and the four individual turtle issues?

In comparing the beginning of IDW to the beginning of Mirage though, I do feel like we aren't getting as much story each issue compared to Mirage.

On the plus side, I've got the feeling that the human characters like April and Casey will be more interesting and more developed this time around.

Floatingyeti · 02-01-2012, 06:39 AM

I agree that its too early to tell but in a few years it may shape up to be better than volume one. Given that the IDW series will stick to a regular monthly schedule and not have a year of filler stories taking place out of continuity.

Thorneyeagle · 02-01-2012, 07:47 AM

It's agreeably to early to tell which is honestly the better product to read. I voted "Just as good". Granted I feel the option "To Soon" might be the better option.

I have to agree with the sentiment here that we need to give this version more time to cement what it wants to be. The original has the misfortune of being a major financial risk. From the little research I have done on the Mirage series they printed it and had no idea if they would get beyond 1 or even 2 issues. They crammed more into an inssue for that reason. I do believe with a financial backing equal to the IDW backoing of Today we would have gotten a much slower paced Mirage.

Just a theory. Since we have what we have and no history changing tardis wandering through the turtle verse. (would be a funny cross over...not as exciting as their original time travel method) I have to say I enjoy the IDW method. I want to savor the story and let it slowly unfold.

*Donnie* · 02-01-2012, 09:12 AM

I'll echo the statements that it's too early to tell, but so far "just as good". Been enjoying everything I'm reading, the pacing is slow and I want more TMNT in each book, but if those are my only complaints thus far we're in good shape!

And yeah, peace, love & chicken grease!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-01-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

battle the MOUSERs, fight the Foot, confront Shredder, learn about Krang, meet April, hangout with Casey, go the Northampton, travel time, go to outer space, befriend Leatherhead, etc, etc.

How can we be pretty sure all this will happen at all.

*ToTheNines* · 02-01-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

How can we be pretty sure all this will happen at all.

Well I'm 99.9 percent sure that 7 of the 10 things I listed will happen, and the other 3 things happen in the majority of, if not all, other TMNT universes.

Plus I can tell the future. So, yeah.

*CyberCubed* · 02-01-2012, 01:35 PM

The Turtles going into outer space (or Dimension X), and traveling through time are a staple of the franchise and will obviously happen eventually. Same with Rat King and Leatherhead appearing at some point.

I'm just waiting for the usual, "The Turtles meet dinosaurs in the past" type of story that we always get.

*Spitfire* · 02-01-2012, 01:45 PM

I vote worse because it's worse. Not worse as in I like it less, worse as in I really don't like it at all. I see what they're trying to do it just isn't working for me. This weak attempt at merging the OT with the Mirage style comics is turning out as lame as I could have predicted. I also didn't appreciate the fake out with the red masks changing them to color after a few issues. Minor I know but with the writing and art not being very strong I find myself focusing on stupid things like that.

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01-31-2012, 07:55 PM	#21
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	We are only six issues in, how can I make any kind of logical judgement as to how I will feel about the IDW series when the characters are barely even developed yet. __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

01-31-2012, 10:34 PM	#28
Matches Malone Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: California Posts: 954	It really is tough to say this early on, but I do think it's shaping up to possibly be better (which unfortunately I can't say for those other "Ultimate Universes") than the original comics. At the same time, it's quite different, so it's not like Mirage will exactly go obsolete, will it. Mirage will always stand out as the independent phenomenon which took chances that IDW probably won't or can't take. Besides, there's no way anyone can touch Return To New York aka TMNT perfection. However, with IDW carefully crafting this universe and paying close attention to how all the pieces fit together, it just might become a better overall series with its consistent continuity (something Mirage lost sight of unfortunately 11 issues in), quality art and writing. If in the end, I can look back on 50+ issues of a series that told one great TMNT story with its share of twists and turns and gritty moments, it will basically be what I've been hoping for since I was introduced to the turtles. I think once the TPBs start rolling out we'll be able to better see the "big picture" and be able to appreciate even more the direction it's going. __________________ "Baxter, you slime puppy!"

02-01-2012, 01:45 PM	#40
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I vote worse because it's worse. Not worse as in I like it less, worse as in I really don't like it at all. I see what they're trying to do it just isn't working for me. This weak attempt at merging the OT with the Mirage style comics is turning out as lame as I could have predicted. I also didn't appreciate the fake out with the red masks changing them to color after a few issues. Minor I know but with the writing and art not being very strong I find myself focusing on stupid things like that. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

01-31-2012, 08:34 PM	#24
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,241	This book's already had some sweet kills in it, the Turtle's will follow suit.

01-31-2012, 08:53 PM	#25
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	I am honestly wondering if IDW is going to adapt the main Mirage plotlines, like Return to New York or City at War. We're seeing the Mouser story adapted and it seems like the Leo special will be very similar to the Mirage original. I wouldn't be surprised if April and the Turtles do escape NY again. If anything it'll be a different take on familiar stories, much like the 4kids adaptions of the Mirage material. Only unlike 4kids, IDW doesn't have to tone anything down for kids.

01-31-2012, 09:03 PM	#26
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,241	I hope they don't do City at War.

01-31-2012, 10:50 PM	#29
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	IDW is definitely more streamlined. With one head writer (Tom Waltz), along with Kevin Eastman, as well as other writers such as Tristan and Brian Lynch doing the specials, it is all coming together quite nicely. The Mirage series had absolutely no direction after Return to New York. The IDW series won't have that problem. And as others have said, the fact that they're taking storylines and characters from the cartoons prove that they'll never run out of material. I am still waiting for the first 4kids-centric character to show up for that matter.

01-31-2012, 10:56 PM	#30
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	I'm sure I'd like the series a lot more if the issues were longer. As much as the wait would kill me, I'd be better off holding out for the collected paperbacks every few months. Can't do that, though. Couldn't stand it. At least the re-reads will be better that way.

02-01-2012, 06:29 AM	#33
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	Where's the "way too early to tell" option? We're talking eight issues vs. what, 62 regular issues and the four individual turtle issues? In comparing the beginning of IDW to the beginning of Mirage though, I do feel like we aren't getting as much story each issue compared to Mirage. On the plus side, I've got the feeling that the human characters like April and Casey will be more interesting and more developed this time around.

02-01-2012, 06:39 AM	#34
Floatingyeti Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 44	I agree that its too early to tell but in a few years it may shape up to be better than volume one. Given that the IDW series will stick to a regular monthly schedule and not have a year of filler stories taking place out of continuity.

02-01-2012, 07:47 AM	#35
Thorneyeagle Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 130	It's agreeably to early to tell which is honestly the better product to read. I voted "Just as good". Granted I feel the option "To Soon" might be the better option. I have to agree with the sentiment here that we need to give this version more time to cement what it wants to be. The original has the misfortune of being a major financial risk. From the little research I have done on the Mirage series they printed it and had no idea if they would get beyond 1 or even 2 issues. They crammed more into an inssue for that reason. I do believe with a financial backing equal to the IDW backoing of Today we would have gotten a much slower paced Mirage. Just a theory. Since we have what we have and no history changing tardis wandering through the turtle verse. (would be a funny cross over...not as exciting as their original time travel method) I have to say I enjoy the IDW method. I want to savor the story and let it slowly unfold.

02-01-2012, 09:12 AM	#36
Donnie Something from the Past Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New York Posts: 3,256	I'll echo the statements that it's too early to tell, but so far "just as good". Been enjoying everything I'm reading, the pacing is slow and I want more TMNT in each book, but if those are my only complaints thus far we're in good shape! And yeah, peace, love & chicken grease!

02-01-2012, 01:35 PM	#39
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,823	The Turtles going into outer space (or Dimension X), and traveling through time are a staple of the franchise and will obviously happen eventually. Same with Rat King and Leatherhead appearing at some point. I'm just waiting for the usual, "The Turtles meet dinosaurs in the past" type of story that we always get.