Who will be the first 4kids character to appear in the Nick show?

[Zany Orange Dude]

Like a lot of other people, I can see Bishop showing his face at some point.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by Keldor1578

It was Peter Lair's idea to make Oroku Saki into an utrom,

I haven't heard that before. However, Justice Force was (as far as I know) his idea as well, but that doesn't automatically make it brilliant. Smart, creative people can occasionally come up with ideas that just don't work. I admire Peter Laird a lot, but I don't think he's infallible.

Originally Posted by Keldor1578

Beside we didn't saw Ch'rell that much compare to the Oroku Saki persona. In season three of the 4Kids cartoon we saw the businessman side of Oroku Saki, in season five it was revealed that Ch'rell was an imposter and there was a human Oroku Saki.

Yes, a long long way in the past, and the turtles never met him in season 1, so that was almost completely pointless. If it had turned out that Ch'rell was only an impostor starting just before the scene where he got decapitated, that might have actually meant something, as that would have actually undone the retcon somewhat (two retcons make a right?).
I didn't much care for season 5. There were a few good things in there, but the dragon avatar gimmick just felt like an attempt to make a show that's not TMNT, while still keeping the title. As did Fast Forward. And Back to the Sewer was too little, too late.
The first four seasons were when the show was good, with the exception of a few details (Ch'rell, Mikey getting flanderized, the influx of superheroes...), in my opinion.
And my memory is getting a bit fuzzy, but wasn't there a demon/tengu Shredder in season 5 as well?

[Mr.Turtle]

of course bishop.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I dunno about the rest of you, but I'd kinda like to see Cody Jones at some point.

Originally Posted by Jester

Hey, I could see him...as Casey's tag-along kid brother. Huh? Huh?

Originally Posted by Mr.Turtle

will casey be around the age of cody?

You do realize we're just joking around. I seriously doubt Nickelodeon is going to bring in Cody Jones.

[Mr.Turtle]

^ but at least they will bring casey back.

[Jephael]

It's possible he'll show up at some point, but don't hold your breath for it.

[Mr.Turtle]

the turtles will miss a lotta fun without him...

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vincent

I haven't heard that before. However, Justice Force was (as far as I know) his idea as well, but that doesn't automatically make it brilliant. Smart, creative people can occasionally come up with ideas that just don't work. I admire Peter Laird a lot, but I don't think he's infallible.


Yes, a long long way in the past, and the turtles never met him in season 1, so that was almost completely pointless. If it had turned out that Ch'rell was only an impostor starting just before the scene where he got decapitated, that might have actually meant something, as that would have actually undone the retcon somewhat (two retcons make a right?).
I didn't much care for season 5. There were a few good things in there, but the dragon avatar gimmick just felt like an attempt to make a show that's not TMNT, while still keeping the title. As did Fast Forward. And Back to the Sewer was too little, too late.
The first four seasons were when the show was good, with the exception of a few details (Ch'rell, Mikey getting flanderized, the influx of superheroes...), in my opinion.
And my memory is getting a bit fuzzy, but wasn't there a demon/tengu Shredder in season 5 as well?

Of course there was a demon Shredder in Season 5, that was the whole plot of the season! How can you not remember that?

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Of course there was a demon Shredder in Season 5, that was the whole plot of the season! How can you not remember that?

Because I've forced a lot of the last three seasons out of my memory. I also don't remember a lot of plot details from the third movie (they go back in time and...stuff happens, and there's a guy...and stuff) or The Next Mutation (there's one turtle too many, April's inexplicably gone, and there's some dragon dude who...does...something).
Also, I've rewatched the first four seasons, but I haven't rewatched the last three (because I didn't enjoy them that much the first time around), so that's probably part of it as well. I do remember there was something about a demon Shredder, and I think he was big, but I don't remember how it fit together with the other two (three?) Shredders.

[ToTheNines]

I would say Hun, but they would just get KMR to voice him. So, no

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Vincent

Because I've forced a lot of the last three seasons out of my memory. I also don't remember a lot of plot details from the third movie (they go back in time and...stuff happens, and there's a guy...and stuff) or The Next Mutation (there's one turtle too many, April's inexplicably gone, and there's some dragon dude who...does...something).
Also, I've rewatched the first four seasons, but I haven't rewatched the last three (because I didn't enjoy them that much the first time around), so that's probably part of it as well. I do remember there was something about a demon Shredder, and I think he was big, but I don't remember how it fit together with the other two (three?) Shredders.

Why would you not rewatch the last 3 seasons when Season 4 ends on a cliffhanger? They weren't bad by any means.

[Mr.Turtle]

hes the very original shredder and without him the other shredders won't exist.

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by Vincent

Because I've forced a lot of the last three seasons out of my memory. I also don't remember a lot of plot details from the third movie (they go back in time and...stuff happens, and there's a guy...and stuff) or The Next Mutation (there's one turtle too many, April's inexplicably gone, and there's some dragon dude who...does...something).
Also, I've rewatched the first four seasons, but I haven't rewatched the last three (because I didn't enjoy them that much the first time around), so that's probably part of it as well. I do remember there was something about a demon Shredder, and I think he was big, but I don't remember how it fit together with the other two (three?) Shredders.

While it's debatable how well the Mystic Turtles worked (I liked it, but can see why it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea) I do think the final battle with Yoshi's spirit saving everyone gave a very complete feeling to the series.

But I agree with you about the 3rd film and Next Mutation. I in fact have never even watched Next Mutation enough to know what actually happens in it.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I would also like to see Bishop, too.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why would you not rewatch the last 3 seasons when Season 4 ends on a cliffhanger? They weren't bad by any means.

I respectfully disagree. I felt that the last three seasons were a letdown after the first four. The gimmicks (making dragon avatars, hanging out in the open with some Wesley Crusher wannabe in the bright future without even making a brief reference to SAINW, and then all the cyber stuff) took away from what made it TMNT. It got too far away from the core. I'm not saying it went completely bad, there were still some good elements, but I didn't feel like it was TMNT anymore. And Mikey's character development was backwards (how did he go from the warm, funny guy to the village idiot in the span of 7 seasons? Was he sniffing glue between scenes? It seemed to begin after he completely failed to learn his lesson in The Unconvincing Turtle Titan, and then just got progressively worse until he became a complete moron in the last couple of seasons).
Oh, and "It's ninja time!".

[CyberCubed]

The core cast and themes are still there. So when the Turtles travel to alien planets and are out in the open you think that's straying from the core too?

Also you literally stop watching on Season 4's finale which was a cliffhanger? Makes no sense to do that when the story directly continues. I don't know why anyone would do that.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The core cast and themes are still there. So when the Turtles travel to alien planets and are out in the open you think that's straying from the core too?

If they had gone to an alien planet for a full season and retitled the show to "Turtles in Space", yeah, I probably would have thought that was a bit much. I'm fine with taking excursions for a few episodes. It's when it takes over the show that I lose interest.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Also you literally stop watching on Season 4's finale which was a cliffhanger? Makes no sense to do that when the story directly continues. I don't know why anyone would do that.

This was on the second viewing. I already knew what would come after, because I had seen it before. And I didn't actively decide to stop watching, I just ended up not continuing. I'm rewatching season 1 again now, and I might end up watching the whole series, but I might stop after 4 again, or possibly after 5.

[FearlessLeader]

Originally Posted by Vincent

hanging out in the open with some Wesley Crusher wannabe in the bright future without even making a brief reference to SAINW,

That is the best description of Cody I have ever heard! Kudos!

One thing I will point out SAINW was set in an alternate reality so technically it makes sense it wasn't referenced.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The core cast and themes are still there. So when the Turtles travel to alien planets and are out in the open you think that's straying from the core too?

Also you literally stop watching on Season 4's finale which was a cliffhanger? Makes no sense to do that when the story directly continues. I don't know why anyone would do that.

People like different things and it's cool! You like the later seasons, Vincent does not and I don't think either of you are going to change the others mind

[Mr.Turtle]

i don't mind they tells a long story abt the univerial traveling thing as long as it's an exciting story.

[Vincent]

Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

That is the best description of Cody I have ever heard! Kudos!

I almost said Scrappy-Doo, but Wesley seemed more fitting. New kid, supposedly brilliant, bright-eyed and annoyingly "perfect". That's pretty much Wesley, no offense to Wil Wheaton.

Originally Posted by FearlessLeader

One thing I will point out SAINW was set in an alternate reality so technically it makes sense it wasn't referenced.

Donatello experienced it. It should have left enough of a psychological impact for him to be reminded of it when he again finds himself in a future. He should have felt some sort of relief that things turned out differently from what he had seen.