Anyone still prefer the classic series?

[Krang]

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

Both the 1960s Batman series and the OT are silly, lighthearted, and corny compared to their source material counterparts. Both are very loose adaptions of comics. Both launched their respective properties into mainstream pop-culture. Both are looked down upon when it comes to trying to get their respective properties to be looked upon in a more serious light.

I still disagree due to the circumstances and timing regarding the comic series for each, as I mentioned last time this was brought up. If you want to continue debating this, please start a new thread, because we're getting off-topic here.

So, even if you don't like the comparison, its true. I don't mean it in an insulting way, either. I don't even mean it as being a bad thing! I just mean it as being the truth.

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

And its true. Its not like the OT wasn't full of silliness and intentional clichés used for the sake of humor. That's what "campy" is. Its not like "campy" is a bad thing, but I would be a liar to say that the OT had little or no camp in it.

No and no. These are your opinions, not facts. I stand by what I said earlier, meaning I disagree with your Batman comparison, and I believe the OT doesn't fit the definition of the word "campy." Neither of us are "right," though, since neither of those can be proven to be true or false. Let's just accept the fact that we have different opinions and move on.

Now let's please stop debating the definition of the word "campy" and get back on topic.

[turkishproverb]

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

Apparently, as long as "campy" is considered an insulting term, nobody's going to agree with me. So I guess I'l just have to spell it out everytime and just say, "Oh yeah, I liked the OT because it often contained a form of comedic parody where the cliché conventions of a dramatic form like adventure are deliberately exaggerated to the point of absurdity. Because of this, I found it funny and exciting simultaneously!"

Originally Posted by Goongasnootch

What're you talking about?

http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acamp%2Fcampy

I used "campy" right.

Dictionary's are over simplistic when it comes to art. Try this:

Camp_(style)


still not what is needed, but it's a start. I know what camp is. I've studied it. TMNT (OT) is, whatever else may be said, NOT camp.

[Drtooth]

I agree. It's not so much campy as playful.

Now, the real Campy TMNT product is Coming out of their Shells, and that Christmas movie.

Of course, the only version of TMNT I didn't like was Next Mutation, and even then, I liked it up until they added She who shall not be named.

Personally, it depends on the mood I'm in what I'd prefer to watch.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

I thought it was all those lousy episodes where the turtles had to fight random aliens, and pretty much played like guest stars in their own show... you know, the first part of season 4.

But I give OT credit. it had a much better clip show episode. The Cur Li manuver made sitting through the first 5 episodes again worth it.

I actually liked season 4 quite a bit though they went a bit overboard. My whole issue with 2K3 is it spent so long trying to be a series it couldn't. It wanted to be an adult animated series the further it went on and that really bit it in the ass when it came time to do FF. The network didn't just ;et 2K3 have it they put a brick wall in it's path, let it hit the wall going 90, and gave it re constructional surgery.

I like FF so much because A) It reminded me of the old toon and B) It had parts that made me laugh and wasn't trying to expand past what it could be.

I don't mind a serious Ninja Turtles series, I mean turtles isn't really a serious property but taking it in a serious direction wouldn't be bad, as long as there isn't limitations. All the censored comic book adaptations and how incredibly boring and almost unwatchable the first nine episodes are before they fight Shredder really pissed me off and that's really the #1 reason 2K3 will never surpass the old toon for me. I also absolutely hated how Season 2 started, that whole arc was "eh" to me and the same thing with the alien invasion in Season 3. It was too long and repetitive.

I get mad when I watch a bad 2K3 episode because the series had some great animation. It makes me go "Man they could have spent that money making a different episode". I love FF's style and these new designs as well but the 2K3 animation looked great.

The old toon didn't, but it knew it didn't and it made fun of itself all the time. I don't know why but I just love stuff like that. Normally I'm all into watching more dramatic TV series but I have Millennium for that.

[Hero]

Originally Posted by 6_DarthShredder_6

Fast Forward didn't have the TMNT essence for me. It was too gimmicky and cheap.

It took a while to find its feet and was a good series if dug deep into, especially with some of the irony that went in.

I think another Fast Forward was unpopular was because it just was'nt asked for, especially around a time when the Ninja Tribunal was not aired on TV and things skipped straight to FF.

I wonder if Fast Forward would have been more accepted somewhat if the Ninja Tribunal arc was publicised first.

===HERO

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I prefer the original toon to the new one. Partially because of nostalgia, watching the episodes now reminds me of when I was watching them as a kid. Another reason is because of its differences from the comics. It's a different take on the Turtles which can be interesting. Sometimes I'm not as motivated to watch the new cartoon because I know I've already read either the same story or a very similar one in the comic books.

The first movie to me is a bit different because it's such a blend of the cartoon and the comic.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

I actually liked season 4 quite a bit though they went a bit overboard.

It would have been a bit better had they spaced the similar episodes out further. At least we got closure on the Adlintians... The only thing I really hated in the series was that part of the story. Seems like they borrowed heavily from a certain Disney movie.

The second half of Season 4 was much much better.

I think another Fast Forward was unpopular was because it just was'nt asked for, especially around a time when the Ninja Tribunal was not aired on TV and things skipped straight to FF.

I wonder if Fast Forward would have been more accepted somewhat if the Ninja Tribunal arc was publicised first.

I spoke my peace about it. And it seems to me that they had no direction and thought the show would go on longer than they thought it would. They spent so much time trying to build up to something that when the time came to expose it, the show ended. And it even seemed like something that would have worked as a subseries of the OT more than a darker version of the turtles. I enjoyed it somewhat, but it feels uneven in certain filler episodes.

[NameGoesHere1066]

I'm going to be a complete cop out and say that I prefere them both. the classic toon is what got me hooked on the turtles so it has a special place in my heart. But I find my self watching my 2k3 dvds more often than my old toon ones.

[Chaotix]

I liked the OT better just cause the voices weren't as cheesy as the NT plus the OT had more comedy(until seasons 8-10) than NT but that's my 2 cents.

[Darth Shredder]

Originally Posted by Chaotix

I liked the OT better just cause the voices weren't as cheesy as the NT plus the OT had more comedy(until seasons 8-10) than NT but that's my 2 cents.

The comedy was nice, yes.