Hypothetical: How would you handle the next reboot if we don't get a sequel?

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Unfortunately Nick/Viacom have no interest in that whatsoever. They're only interested in doing 20 different Bebop and Rocksteady origins, and seeing how many different ways they can introduce the Technodrome and Krang.

I know, but it's a hypothetical thread. Shame that's the way it is though.

Don't get me wrong - as I said I'm not against the more kiddie stuff. I do enjoy FW and Nick (I know you really, really don't, but bear with me). It's just that I want to see as much variety as possible - hypothetically, we can have that tone of turtles yet also the more troubled, edgier iterations. We should be able to have anything, not choose. As was implied by others above, other franchises have wildly different iterations - young kids didn't start killing people just because they saw the Joker do it in The Dark Knight. I know that Batman is a far more popular franchise than the turtles, but that's not really the point.

As you say, it will never happen, but it's nice to dream.

[Leolead]

I'm baaaaaack!!!!

[Warboss74]

Originally Posted by Davetello

I know, but it's a hypothetical thread. Shame that's the way it is though.

Don't get me wrong - as I said I'm not against the more kiddie stuff. I do enjoy FW and Nick (I know you really, really don't, but bear with me). It's just that I want to see as much variety as possible - hypothetically, we can have that tone of turtles yet also the more troubled, edgier iterations. We should be able to have anything, not choose. As was implied by others above, other franchises have wildly different iterations - young kids didn't start killing people just because they saw the Joker do it in The Dark Knight. I know that Batman is a far more popular franchise than the turtles, but that's not really the point.

As you say, it will never happen, but it's nice to dream.

I'm generally with Galactus on his opinion about what a feature film franchise should be. I'm all aboard with more Mirage style films, but I don't think you can ignore a large segment of the franchise in the product that's going to reach the largest audience. It's sad that in a PG-13 film the Turtles or bad guys never kill anyone in combat with the deadly weapons they use when characters drop dead throughout most major comic book movies. It's sad that the creative team feels pizza and Cowabunga are the single most important things about the characters.

Edit: Surprisingly I posted this in a different movie thread even though it addresses the question of the thread.

Originally Posted by Warboss74;

My dream film franchise would be an Ultimate styled telling like IDW is doing,but not exactly their Ultimate universe telling. I have had some thoughts about putting pen to paper and doing a long form telling of my definitive turtles story, but I'm going to be far too busy for the foreseeable future.

Film 1
Splinter knows the Shredder of the Foot Clan murdered his master Yoshi, but he doesn't know where to find him. That'll be the thread that allows the film to tie seemingly unrelated events together. The turtles would be younger and more inexperienced and that'll allow the film to end without a confrontation with the Shredder. The breakthrough in finding the Shredder would come in a telling of "The Passing" where the ninja that attempt to assassinate Hattori and his father are Foot ninja. With the help of Hattori, they find that the Purple Dragons are a street level outfit of the Foot, and they would be the best way to track down the Foot's HQ. Eventually, they're drawn into the climactic battle against members of the Purple Dragons including Bebop and Rocksteady as humans. Hun would be the direct contact to Shredder, so I don't think I would include him in the battle because of that. I could include Xever, although I'd never turn him into Fishface down the line. The end of the film has Splinter tells the turtles what they've been training for, but they still have much to do/learn before they can avenge master Yoshi. Post credit scene could be young intern April O'Neil be shown around Stockman Enterprises facility by Baxter, and she's finally shown the Mousers to end the scene.

A few other threads I'd carry over that aren't described here are Splinter before becoming Yoshi's pet and a mysterious man who happens to catch the turtles actions above ground.

Film 2
The turtles are tasked with gathering intel, and possibly frustrating any Foot/Purple Dragon activities along the way. On one these missions they run into April fleeing a Mouser attack. The turtles get dragged into that conflict. After Stockman and the Mousers are taken care of, Splinter finally deems the turtles ready to challenge the Shredder. The fight plays out like Mirage #1 except the turtles flee before confirming the Shredder is dead because a grenade going off would attract attention rather quickly. Would like to show some of the Foot hierarchy, and some more layers to the Shredder and the years after Yoshi's death. Have the Shredder command his empire through the likes of Tatsu, Khan, Bradford, Hun, Karai, and Pimiko whether or not they ever actually engage the turtles throughout the film. Tatsu, Khan, Bradford, and Hun would essentially be his generals in NYC while Karai, his adopted daughter, is working her way up the home branch of the Foot Clan to usurp it for the Shredder. Pimiko, his biological daughter, would still a teenager in training, but lay some of the groundwork for her rivalry with Karai. None of this needs to be focused on heavily to add the layers to the Shredder, and it lays the groundwork for a CAW film down the line. The post credit scene would be the mysterious man approaches a dying Shredder with a proposition. He'll save his life and grant him the power to exact revenge in exchange for the Foot's manpower and resources in hunting down his enemies.

Film 3
I'm not sure where I'd take the third film,but it's too soon to jump into Exile/Return to New York as some of things I'd like to followup or tie up need the Utroms. I know I'd like to introduce Casey Jones, and don't think I could do it with a Turtles in Space/Dimension X film. I could tie up the Splinter backstory with a Rat King film, but I don't know if that would fit quite yet either. I think Rat King would be a better fit for an Exile/Return to New York as the minor villain like Stockman and the Mousers.

Anways, that's what I've got right now, and I'd still need at least 3 more films to conclude the entire thing.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Leolead

I'm baaaaaack!!!!

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by Warboss74

It's sad that the creative team feels pizza and Cowabunga are the single most important things about the characters.

While I love the 87 cartoon and what it has done for the property, I wish people would learn to sometimes steer away from it. You don't see modern interpretations of Batman draw source material from the Silver Age or 66 TV series.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

While I love the 87 cartoon and what it has done for the property, I wish people would learn to sometimes steer away from it. You don't see modern interpretations of Batman draw source material from the Silver Age or 66 TV series.

Exactly. There's so much more rich history to pull from that they could truly find a way to balance all those tones and stories creatively if they put their heads to it. I guess I'm giving too much credit that Platinum Dunes or Liebesman really cared too much though.

It's why I don't believe all these bull reports of "Mr. Studio Yes Boy" Liebesman spending all this time to get to know the characters with Eastman as the movie's interpretations of each Turtle were shallow and surface level basics. That could just be due to editing and leaving so much off the cutting room floor...but who knows. In the end, you judge a movie by it's final product and there's just so much that's flawed with TMNT 2014.

The TMNT franchise deserves it's own version of "the Dark Knight."

[Xav]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I know it will never happen but I would like an animated adaptation of the Turtles in Space arc or an anthology style Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie.

We already got an animated adaptation of Turtles in Space in the 4Kids toon.

[Commenter 42]

I have my list of directors that would go very dark, and service the Mirage story to the utmost, but now that he's proven himself, I honestly think James Gunn would do a great job.

David Fincher, Larry Clark or even Chris Cunningham would still be on the top of my list though.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

While I love the 87 cartoon and what it has done for the property, I wish people would learn to sometimes steer away from it. You don't see modern interpretations of Batman draw source material from the Silver Age or 66 TV series.

Joel Schumacher.

The Mirage comics are the original thing, and the cartoon followed second. But we got a movie and a cartoon based primarily on the comics. Despite probably being the most widely known version of TMNT, I feel like the 87 cartoon influences are just now coming back with the Nick cartoon and IDW comics. While I have no desire to see Dark Knight Ninja Turtles, I don't consider it a bad idea. I feel like there's room for both, but I also like the way the current cartoons and comics are blending them. Today's kids probably won't grow up divided.

[Lou 500]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

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Scrotum nose.


If I had the honor of orchestrating the next reboot, it would probably be Nolan-esque, but oblivious to the ludicrousness of its subject matter. The film, like the comic, narrates itself seriously despite it's audience knowing it's a parody. Wasn't this the reason for its success?

- The turtles would look more like RES than any other incarnation. They would have the stripes, the blotches on the plastron and the skin would be almost black in color - I know people would object to this but I think it would actually aid them as ninjas by being the same colour as the darkness they hide in. Most controversially, I would consider doing away with the headbands and let their head stripes be their "masks" as a homage to the comic where they all had red bandannas. They would also be short. Like, 5'1".

- The story would basically follow the comic and the film would open with the rooftop fight in the first mirage comic, the style even resembling the comic with a dark backdrop and muted colours save for the headbands/head stripes and blood. Think Sin City.

- The year would be set in 1984. (The same year the comic debuted)

- Splinter would be a mutated Hamato Yoshi.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Lou 500

Scrotum nose.


If I had the honor of orchestrating the next reboot, it would probably be Nolan-esque, but oblivious to the ludicrousness of its subject matter. The film, like the comic, narrates itself seriously despite it's audience knowing it's a parody. Wasn't this the reason for its success?

- The turtles would look more like RES than any other incarnation. They would have the stripes, the blotches on the plastron and the skin would be almost black in color - I know people would object to this but I think it would actually aid them as ninjas by being the same colour as the darkness they hide in. Most controversially, I would consider doing away with the headbands and let their head stripes be their "masks" as a homage to the comic where they all had red bandannas. They would also be short. Like, 5'1".

- The story would basically follow the comic and the film would open with the rooftop fight in the first mirage comic, the style even resembling the comic with a dark backdrop and muted colours save for the headbands/head stripes and blood. Think Sin City.

- The year would be set in 1984. (The same year the comic debuted)

OMG yes. Yes to all of this.

But I'd swap Nolan-esque with Fincher.

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The one thing they haven't tried at this point: a proper adaptation of the original comics by a real director with a passion and a vision for an original take on the material with enough Hollywood clout to not have to kowtow to Playmates and focus groups.

But that's never going to happen.

This, exactly this.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

While I love the 87 cartoon and what it has done for the property, I wish people would learn to sometimes steer away from it. You don't see modern interpretations of Batman draw source material from the Silver Age or 66 TV series.

Everyone needs to realize the main objective to a studio making an action movie is to make money. When you are rebooting something that has nostalgia, you have certain things that will bring the smallest non die hard fans in. Cowabunga and pizza sadly are probably the thing remembered most by casual fans from the 80's. They have to include those two things so people will see it and go "Oh man! I remember that!" and go and see the movie. They did the right thing by not overflowing the movie w/ pizza and cowabunga. They actually took a lot of the basic ideas from newer versions of TMNT.

You are not going to get the die hard fan's version of the Turtles, unless it's made on an indie budget again. When there is so much money being thrown into a project they have to figure out ways to get people interested. I really think people should take that in to account when they see a big budget action movie. There are exceptions to the rule of course, most recently GotG, I'm not familiar w/ the source material, but from what I read it's a pretty close adaptation. And that broke box office records. Maybe more studios will take a risk now.

I just hope when it comes to this sequel, they get a better director, and a longer movie. And I think it would help to work w/ Ciro Nieli to help pen the 2nd and possibly 3rd movie. Not have it connect to the Nick cartoon, but Ciro, in my opinion has put out the best TMNT material since the 1st movie.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

While I love the 87 cartoon and what it has done for the property, I wish people would learn to sometimes steer away from it. You don't see modern interpretations of Batman draw source material from the Silver Age or 66 TV series.

Thank goodness for that too. Eh, give it time. Maybe we will get our Christopher Nolan yet. We already had our Tim Burton movie, via the 1990, but I guess we need to let the studios dabble into some stuff before we get Nolan level stuff to come to light.

Only thing, now, I just don't know if I want another exact reboot, the Turtles saving April, Splinter telling them story all over again. Maybe mix it up, where we see the Turtles in training before they become vigilantes, maybe make it a bit mystical where Splinter sends them on a quest to a far off land. I swear, TMNT has got to be the most retold origin story in the history of comic book/movie/TV show franchises.

[Shark_Blade]

I let Michael Bay himself direct the movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I let Michael Bay himself direct the movie.

Quit trollin

[Powder]

Trolling or not, he'd do better at it than Liebesman, even if only by a little.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Powder

Trolling or not, he'd do better at it than Liebesman, even if only by a little.

I honestly thought it would be pretty much the same or worse. The movie is full of way too many Bay-isms as is, so imagine him taking full control or scripting and everything?

I considered it as trolling because even if he was serious, Bay is already involved. Why would the same people do a reboot? Reboots are done when some other company takes over.

[Xiewin]

Wasn't it Bay's idea to make the turtles big in the first place?

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I honestly thought it would be pretty much the same or worse. The movie is full of way too many Bay-isms as is, so imagine him taking full control or scripting and everything?

I considered it as trolling because even if he was serious, Bay is already involved. Why would the same people do a reboot? Reboots are done when some other company takes over.

I mostly just meant on a scene shooting level. The cinematography of the new film is very poor, IMO.