Bebop, Rocksteady and Venus. - Page 3

Serp · 03-23-2004, 06:57 PM

I have the VHS of TMNT Next Mutation, The only VHS that was sold, neither Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird's names are on it, they must really hat Next Mutation.

**Kali** · 03-23-2004, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zanhilton-Jac

I have the VHS of TMNT Next Mutation, The only VHS that was sold, neither Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird's names are on it, they must really hat Next Mutation.

I don't think either of them hate it. Like Peter said, hate is a very strong word. For projects like that, they use a collective title, like Mirage Studios. Does it say that anywhere?

*TigerClaw* · 03-23-2004, 07:20 PM

What if in the new series, They desided to add a certain female lizard or a certain vixen, Would they interfere with the TMNT mythos?

*Spitfire* · 03-23-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

What if in the new series, They desided to add a certain female lizard or a certain vixen, Would they interfere with the TMNT mythos?

They had that in the old show her name was Mona Lisa

Whos knows they might even have her in the new show. No offense to any women here but its just a stupid idea stick with female humans like Lotus Blossom she was awesome

~~Jarrah White~~ · 03-24-2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Never fear Jester's here with a note that proves he has balls of steel.
I wrote Peter Laird...and he wrote me back....here's what he had to say about the subject...

Bebop and Rocksteady are two characters that I had a hand in creating,
back when the old show was being developed, and for that old show and its
approach to the TMNT concept, they were perfect. I don't have terribly strong
negative feelings about them now because -- quite frankly -- I rarely think about
them. I suspect some people have gotten the impression that I actually HATE
them, because I don't want them in the new show, and I don't think that's
accurate. I just feel that, for one thing, they are so goofy and silly that they
really have no place in this new series. And as for suggestions that they could fit
into the new series by making them really rough and tough and mean and dark
and gritty -- well, then they wouldn't be Bebop and Rocksteady, would they?
They'd just be two characters who kinda look like them and have their names.
Venus DeMilo, on the other hand, for reasons both personal and
professional, I find very distasteful. It was a stupid, creatively bankrupt idea from
the word go, and I regret ever (reluctantly) agreeing to it. I'm not going to go
into all of the historical details, but suffice it to say that if the idea of
a female TMNT had first been proposed AFTER I bought Kevin out, I would have
shot it down immediately. Venus also suffered from "guilt by association"
from being part and parcel of a "take" on the TMNT -- "TMNT the Next Mutation" --
which I felt was basically wrong, and I had (by choice) very little to do
with that show. And Venus is the result of a lot of "by the numbers" thinking on
the part of people who THINK they are being creative, when they say things
like "Hey, four Turtles work really well -- FIVE Turtles will work even BETTER,
right?!"
But... do I "hate" Venus? "Hate" is such a strong term, unfortunately too
often and too casually used when what one REALLY means is "dislike". I
definitely dislike Venus. I never want to see her again in any way, shape or form in
the TMNT universe, and as long as I have say-so, she WILL never appear again.
But... "hate"? Venus is too pathetic, too weak, too basically NOTHING a
character for me to "hate".
I hope that answers your question.

--- Peter Laird

So here u go straight from the horses mouth...so to speak

Hmm, so Laird doesn't hate Venus, he's just not fond of her.

**GK Punk** · 03-24-2004, 03:06 AM

He doesn't LIKE venus is the key phrase

MW8979 · 03-24-2004, 05:23 AM

After reading that letter, I guess I can understand why he doesn't want to use Rocksteady and Bebop in his current work - he'll probably receive complaints about changing them from their original personalities and making them "too different". But I hope the same doesn't go for Krang, I mean, he's already dark and evil, there's still potential for him to fit into new projects, with a little bit of updating.

*Drtooth* · 03-24-2004, 06:04 AM

Krang was in that one joke in Secret Origins part 3....

I had a feeling that is why Bebop and Rocksteady weren't in the show... they just don't fit into the series at all. I could see (as he said) Bebop and Rocksteady like characters that looked like them, but were not them... just not the actual characters...

**Jester** · 03-24-2004, 06:39 AM

maybe there will be a homage to bebop and rocksteady like there was with Krang and channel 6....who knows

Demented Utrom · 03-24-2004, 11:54 AM

Well we got Krang 2004 already in the Shredder Utrom he acts like Krang.The Shredder Utrom complains about everything.For Bebop and Rocksteady they work in New Cartoon just make them like Hun.Also add Slash.

the_minimizer · 03-27-2004, 02:19 AM

I'd hate to say it, but the Mirage universe and the Archie universe aren't the same. And while I've never watched the Mirage cartoons, I think it would be unfair to Mirage fans to incorporate Archie characters into the new cartoon. I liked Rocksteady, Beebop and loved Krang. And I think it would rock to see them again, but the original story does deserve its due and time in the spot light.

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maybe there will be a homage to bebop and rocksteady like there was with Krang and channel 6

Please tell me more about this.

*Mecha Cow* · 03-27-2004, 06:53 AM

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I think it would be unfair to Mirage fans to incorporate Archie characters into the new cartoon. I liked Rocksteady, Beebop and loved Krang. And I think it would rock to see them again, but the original story does deserve its due and time in the spot light.

*Sigh*

Thank you. I completely agree. Most people don't look at it that way.

There were never any Mirage cartoons, though.

As for the Krang and Channel Six jokes, those were in Secret Origins part 3.

April was wearing a yellow jumpsuit so she could pose as a reporter (Casey was her 'camera man') in an attempt to gain access to the TCRI building.

As the Utroms made their way to the Transmat, one of them complained how he 'hated walking on his tentacles'. The Utrom next to him replied: "Oh, shut up, Krang!"

Bourgeois Buffoon · 03-27-2004, 08:17 AM

That reminds me? Who woulda loved April to introduce her cameraman as Vernon Fenwick, with complaints by our boy Casey about the lame name?

*cqb101* · 03-27-2004, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bourgeois Buffoon

That reminds me? Who woulda loved April to introduce her cameraman as Vernon Fenwick, with complaints by our boy Casey about the lame name?

That woulda been pretty funny.

For the record, the only non-mirage character I'd like to see in this show would be Ninjara. She wasn't a mutant, and they could even change her origin and say she came from Usagi's world. That would kick ass.

**Kali** · 03-27-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cqb101

For the record, the only non-mirage character I'd like to see in this show would be Ninjara. She wasn't a mutant, and they could even change her origin and say she came from Usagi's world. That would kick ass.

Would be cool, but she isn't owned by Mirage. Or Archie as I recall. It's an individual. They could always try and get the rights for a brief appearance.

*Buslady* · 03-27-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunger Kittie

Why is it, once every three days we have a thread where Jarrah tries to fit Venus in to the new TMNT? This is getting rediculous.

Bebop can bebop Venus....

*jeff the cheff* · 03-27-2004, 09:59 PM

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And as for suggestions that they could fit
into the new series by making them really rough and tough and mean and dark
and gritty -- well, then they wouldn't be Bebop and Rocksteady, would they?
They'd just be two characters who kinda look like them and have their names

That is always how I have felt. Why would you want bebop and rocksteady if they weren't...bebop and rocksteady?

**Barkworm** · 03-28-2004, 02:00 AM

That comment of Laird is damn funny, it sounds like Venus is not even worth hating her!

**GK Punk** · 03-28-2004, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by barkworm

That comment of Laird is damn funny, it sounds like Venus is not even worth hating her!

lol I know it sounds like it's not even worth his time

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2004, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jeff the cheff

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And as for suggestions that they could fit
into the new series by making them really rough and tough and mean and dark
and gritty -- well, then they wouldn't be Bebop and Rocksteady, would they?
They'd just be two characters who kinda look like them and have their names

That is always how I have felt. Why would you want bebop and rocksteady if they weren't...bebop and rocksteady?

Because that's how they were meant to be shown before the show got too kiddyish and stupid? Remember the first 5 eps?

03-24-2004, 06:04 AM	#48
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	Krang was in that one joke in Secret Origins part 3.... I had a feeling that is why Bebop and Rocksteady weren't in the show... they just don't fit into the series at all. I could see (as he said) Bebop and Rocksteady like characters that looked like them, but were not them... just not the actual characters... __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

03-24-2004, 06:39 AM	#49
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,293	maybe there will be a homage to bebop and rocksteady like there was with Krang and channel 6....who knows __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-27-2004, 08:17 AM	#53
Bourgeois Buffoon Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dee-LA-WHar, U.S.A.! Posts: 122	That reminds me? Who woulda loved April to introduce her cameraman as Vernon Fenwick, with complaints by our boy Casey about the lame name? __________________ Well! Well well well well! Well well! Well now... Local Frosted Flakes freak and goof. Ph33r.

03-28-2004, 02:00 AM	#58
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,659	That comment of Laird is damn funny, it sounds like Venus is not even worth hating her! __________________ Don‘t be a douche.

03-23-2004, 06:57 PM	#41
Serp Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 362	I have the VHS of TMNT Next Mutation, The only VHS that was sold, neither Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird's names are on it, they must really hat Next Mutation.

03-23-2004, 07:20 PM	#43
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,160	What if in the new series, They desided to add a certain female lizard or a certain vixen, Would they interfere with the TMNT mythos?

03-24-2004, 03:06 AM	#46
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	He doesn't LIKE venus is the key phrase

03-24-2004, 05:23 AM	#47
MW8979 Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 431	After reading that letter, I guess I can understand why he doesn't want to use Rocksteady and Bebop in his current work - he'll probably receive complaints about changing them from their original personalities and making them "too different". But I hope the same doesn't go for Krang, I mean, he's already dark and evil, there's still potential for him to fit into new projects, with a little bit of updating.

03-24-2004, 11:54 AM	#50
Demented Utrom Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 474	Well we got Krang 2004 already in the Shredder Utrom he acts like Krang.The Shredder Utrom complains about everything.For Bebop and Rocksteady they work in New Cartoon just make them like Hun.Also add Slash.