Did the 2012 succeed more than the 2K3 cause it gave fans 'what they wanted?' - Page 5

**Jester** · 10-18-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Slime State Alumni

Probably because Flash Forward was garbage and your friend is better for avoiding, intentional or not.

Fast Forward has its moments.

*CyberCubed* · 10-18-2013, 09:01 PM

Fast Forward has better villains than the majority of Nick characters. Other than Shredder/Karai/Baxter and maybe Dogpound/Fishface...the rest are either Kraang or mindless mutants.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-18-2013, 10:18 PM

How boring and predictable we've all become.

"2K3 sucks, it was boring."
"2K3 was great! It was more serious than the old or new show!"
"It tried to be too serious. It failed miserably."
"Things don't HAVE to be goofy to be good! Mikey's a retard on the new show!"
"Casey was a retard in 2K3."
"2K3 was more like Mirage, so it was better."
"2K3 screwed up all the Mirage stories it tried to copy, so it sucked."
"The Nick villains are all just stupid 'Freak-Of-The-Week' characters made to sell toys!"
"The 2K3 villains were so bland and boring they didn't even deserve toys."
"Some of the 2K3 villains were much, much better than any of the Nick ones!"
"2K3 turned Shredder, the main villain, into a cyborg hybrid with Sorta-Krang, which was awful."
"It was creative and different!"
"It completely ruined the Oroku Saki character and turned him into a one-note super-villain."
"Whatever, you're just biased because the Nick show borrows from the OT."
"At least people remember the OT. Nobody watched 2K3 and nobody remembers it."
"That's not true! Lots of people watched it and a lot of people still like it, it just wasn't advertised as much as the new show."
"The fact they don't sell shirts of 2K3 proves nobody watched the show or remembers it. Something's only popular if I can buy a shirt of it at Hot Topic. Only popular things get sold at Hot Topic, so 2K3 is not and never was popular. Or good."
"Then why was it so popular back then?"
"It actually wasn't, those toys and DVDs that were selling so well for a while were an illusion. Besides, the Nick toys are much better, anyway."
"WHY do you hate 2K3 so much?"
"Because it sucks, it was boring."
"But it was GREAT...!"
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Can we skip the next 8 pages of this discussion, please, since I just went ahead and wrote what y'all are gonna say? SO many threads about this... meh. Just MEH, already. I know it's going to come up repeatedly, but c'mon, can we wait 6 months or so in between? It's a dead-end with neither side willing to budge an inch.

*CyberCubed* · 10-18-2013, 10:53 PM

Agreed it is sickening especially since after the Nick hype dies down you'll see people criticize this show heavily too.

Slime State Alumni · 10-18-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

How boring and predictable we've all become.

"2K3 sucks, it was boring."
"2K3 was great! It was more serious than the old or new show!"
"It tried to be too serious. It failed miserably."
"Things don't HAVE to be goofy to be good! Mikey's a retard on the new show!"
"Casey was a retard in 2K3."
"2K3 was more like Mirage, so it was better."
"2K3 screwed up all the Mirage stories it tried to copy, so it sucked."
"The Nick villains are all just stupid 'Freak-Of-The-Week' characters made to sell toys!"
"The 2K3 villains were so bland and boring they didn't even deserve toys."
"Some of the 2K3 villains were much, much better than any of the Nick ones!"
"2K3 turned Shredder, the main villain, into a cyborg hybrid with Sorta-Krang, which was awful."
"It was creative and different!"
"It completely ruined the Oroku Saki character and turned him into a one-note super-villain."
"Whatever, you're just biased because the Nick show borrows from the OT."
"At least people remember the OT. Nobody watched 2K3 and nobody remembers it."
"That's not true! Lots of people watched it and a lot of people still like it, it just wasn't advertised as much as the new show."
"The fact they don't sell shirts of 2K3 proves nobody watched the show or remembers it. Something's only popular if I can buy a shirt of it at Hot Topic. Only popular things get sold at Hot Topic, so 2K3 is not and never was popular. Or good."
"Then why was it so popular back then?"
"It actually wasn't, those toys and DVDs that were selling so well for a while were an illusion. Besides, the Nick toys are much better, anyway."
"WHY do you hate 2K3 so much?"
"Because it sucks, it was boring."
"But it was GREAT...!"
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Can we skip the next 8 pages of this discussion, please, since I just went ahead and wrote what y'all are gonna say? SO many threads about this... meh. Just MEH, already. I know it's going to come up repeatedly, but c'mon, can we wait 6 months or so in between? It's a dead-end with neither side willing to budge an inch.

So.... we're all supposed to agree with each other?

~~Leo656~~ · 10-18-2013, 11:52 PM

No, but it'd be nice if there weren't three or four concurrent threads where the same exact people repeat the same exact talking points until it inevitably devolves into "What I Like Is Better Than What You Like", which where it always goes.

At the very least, it needs a break. There's been a lot of "2K3 Vs. OT/Nick" back-and-forth lately and it's all exactly the same. I get it, these things come up. It's fun to debate. But I think this one's played out. Nobody can say anything that hasn't already been said and nobody is going to change anyone else's mind. We've all thrown our two cents in, but it's already getting back into "Your Show Sucks" Territory. Why?

*Powder* · 10-18-2013, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

Just because people are mentioning the 2k3 merchandise, I don't suppose anyone knows if there is ANY place that sells t-shirts with the 2k3 turtles now? I've searched all over for them, and I have a pretty nifty collection of both 80's and 2k12 turtles t-shirts, but seeing as 2k3 is my favorite I feel little left out. They don't have to be adult t-shirts either.

There are some 4kids shirts on this site still, though sizes are limited.

http://search.stylinonline.com/searc...&x=-898&y=-146

*Refractive Reflections* · 10-19-2013, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

How boring and predictable we've all become.

"2K3 sucks, it was boring."
"2K3 was great! It was more serious than the old or new show!"
"It tried to be too serious. It failed miserably."
"Things don't HAVE to be goofy to be good! Mikey's a retard on the new show!"
"Casey was a retard in 2K3."
"2K3 was more like Mirage, so it was better."
"2K3 screwed up all the Mirage stories it tried to copy, so it sucked."
"The Nick villains are all just stupid 'Freak-Of-The-Week' characters made to sell toys!"
"The 2K3 villains were so bland and boring they didn't even deserve toys."
"Some of the 2K3 villains were much, much better than any of the Nick ones!"
"2K3 turned Shredder, the main villain, into a cyborg hybrid with Sorta-Krang, which was awful."
"It was creative and different!"
"It completely ruined the Oroku Saki character and turned him into a one-note super-villain."
"Whatever, you're just biased because the Nick show borrows from the OT."
"At least people remember the OT. Nobody watched 2K3 and nobody remembers it."
"That's not true! Lots of people watched it and a lot of people still like it, it just wasn't advertised as much as the new show."
"The fact they don't sell shirts of 2K3 proves nobody watched the show or remembers it. Something's only popular if I can buy a shirt of it at Hot Topic. Only popular things get sold at Hot Topic, so 2K3 is not and never was popular. Or good."
"Then why was it so popular back then?"
"It actually wasn't, those toys and DVDs that were selling so well for a while were an illusion. Besides, the Nick toys are much better, anyway."
"WHY do you hate 2K3 so much?"
"Because it sucks, it was boring."
"But it was GREAT...!"
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Can we skip the next 8 pages of this discussion, please, since I just went ahead and wrote what y'all are gonna say? SO many threads about this... meh. Just MEH, already. I know it's going to come up repeatedly, but c'mon, can we wait 6 months or so in between? It's a dead-end with neither side willing to budge an inch.

Are you a stenographer in real life Leo656?

*BabyTurtles* · 10-19-2013, 12:51 AM

hmm....IDK

tmnt 2012 gave fans Apriltello and I'm not sure if they are succeeding with that XD lol

also quick question? did 2003 succeed less or something? XD (I thought 2003 was pretty popular back then....wasn't it?)

*Refractive Reflections* · 10-19-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

hmm....IDK

tmnt 2012 gave fans Apriltello and I'm not sure if they are succeeding with that XD lol

also quick question? did 2003 succeed less or something? XD (I thought 2003 was pretty popular back then....wasn't it?)

Oh BabyTurtles

, I see you threw some gasoline in this thread with that ambiguous question, knowing the arguments and personalities on this thread.

*Wildcat* · 10-19-2013, 01:50 AM

Now that Nick's season 1 has finished I can honestly say I still like 23k better. I know you cant compare 1 season to an entire series run but the Nick's version just seems a little typical...I don't know its hard to explain.

Its slowly added in more humor especially with Mikey which at first I thought was really cute and clever but now its just the dumb comic relief routine.

I still like the show and will keep watching though.

Konchadunga · 10-19-2013, 02:37 AM

I will add to that the problem that not much sense of a story arc exists anymore in this show. It probably will exist again, but right now we've sunk far into mutant-of-the-week stories in a show that already had too many. 2003's show gave us an awesome tease for Season 2, in the form of Splinter going missing and the Utroms being revealed.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-19-2013, 06:47 AM

But there is a story arc with the canisters of mutagen being spread over the city and the Turtles having to find them before more mutants are created. Plus, they'll probably be searching for a way to restore Kirby back to his original form. In season one the main story was rescuing Kirby with the added story of Shredder and the Foot.

And I agree with Leo that this whole Nick vs. 2K3 vs. OT is getting really old. I like all three for different reasons and that's that. Why can't we all just stop with this crap and enjoy the Nick show for what it is?

**Jester** · 10-19-2013, 10:57 AM

I still can't get over the whole "This season is SOOOO Mutant of the Week!!" when we're a whole 2 episodes in. My god, we don't know how the writers will handle it. Are we really this gloomy?

Bossa Nova · 10-19-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

There are some 4kids shirts on this site still, though sizes are limited.

http://search.stylinonline.com/searc...&x=-898&y=-146

Thank you, very much appreciated

Funky sizes or not, they'll still make great pajama tops.

The Big Bad · 10-19-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I still can't get over the whole "This season is SOOOO Mutant of the Week!!" when we're a whole 2 episodes in. My god, we don't know how the writers will handle it. Are we really this gloomy?

I think we have more to go on than these two episodes, though. We have twenty-eight episodes in which we've arguably gotten a pretty good idea of how Ciro Nieli and company work--enough to speculate with a reasonably high degree of accuracy.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-19-2013, 03:41 PM

Yeah, but people are acting like every episode is just going to be about mutants and nothing else when there are a lot of other things that are going to probably be explored. I, for one, am excited to see where this season takes us, mutants and all.

Konchadunga · 10-19-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

I still can't get over the whole "This season is SOOOO Mutant of the Week!!" when we're a whole 2 episodes in. My god, we don't know how the writers will handle it. Are we really this gloomy?

Granted it's a premature judgment, but to be fair, the previews released have not given much indication of being anything else than MOTW. Not to mention that last season was largely that, despite lip-service to a story-arc. Hopefully, they're just churning out monster movie tributes since it's October, but I have little reason to be optimistic now.

Avatar Yuffie · 10-19-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

hmm....IDK

tmnt 2012 gave fans Apriltello and I'm not sure if they are succeeding with that XD lol

also quick question? did 2003 succeed less or something? XD (I thought 2003 was pretty popular back then....wasn't it?)

It never picked up in my country (OT was a big deal back then though). Japan dropped it around season 2 and never bothered finishing it's run. Not sure about the western side of the world.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-21-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I have never seen 2K3 TMNT anything when it came to shirts, least of all Hot Topic. I demand pics now and I will gladly eat my words.

True. The only 2k3 related thing I ever seen is this..

And it's not even official.

10-19-2013, 12:51 AM	#89
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	hmm....IDK tmnt 2012 gave fans Apriltello and I'm not sure if they are succeeding with that XD lol also quick question? did 2003 succeed less or something? XD (I thought 2003 was pretty popular back then....wasn't it?) __________________ Last edited by BabyTurtles; 10-19-2013 at 12:57 AM.

10-19-2013, 01:50 AM	#91
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,510	Now that Nick's season 1 has finished I can honestly say I still like 23k better. I know you cant compare 1 season to an entire series run but the Nick's version just seems a little typical...I don't know its hard to explain. Its slowly added in more humor especially with Mikey which at first I thought was really cute and clever but now its just the dumb comic relief routine. I still like the show and will keep watching though. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-19-2013, 02:37 AM	#92
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	I will add to that the problem that not much sense of a story arc exists anymore in this show. It probably will exist again, but right now we've sunk far into mutant-of-the-week stories in a show that already had too many. 2003's show gave us an awesome tease for Season 2, in the form of Splinter going missing and the Utroms being revealed. __________________

10-19-2013, 06:47 AM	#93
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	But there is a story arc with the canisters of mutagen being spread over the city and the Turtles having to find them before more mutants are created. Plus, they'll probably be searching for a way to restore Kirby back to his original form. In season one the main story was rescuing Kirby with the added story of Shredder and the Foot. And I agree with Leo that this whole Nick vs. 2K3 vs. OT is getting really old. I like all three for different reasons and that's that. Why can't we all just stop with this crap and enjoy the Nick show for what it is? __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-19-2013, 10:57 AM	#94
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,298	I still can't get over the whole "This season is SOOOO Mutant of the Week!!" when we're a whole 2 episodes in. My god, we don't know how the writers will handle it. Are we really this gloomy? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-18-2013, 09:01 PM	#82
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,825	Fast Forward has better villains than the majority of Nick characters. Other than Shredder/Karai/Baxter and maybe Dogpound/Fishface...the rest are either Kraang or mindless mutants.

10-18-2013, 10:18 PM	#83
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	How boring and predictable we've all become. "2K3 sucks, it was boring." "2K3 was great! It was more serious than the old or new show!" "It tried to be too serious. It failed miserably." "Things don't HAVE to be goofy to be good! Mikey's a retard on the new show!" "Casey was a retard in 2K3." "2K3 was more like Mirage, so it was better." "2K3 screwed up all the Mirage stories it tried to copy, so it sucked." "The Nick villains are all just stupid 'Freak-Of-The-Week' characters made to sell toys!" "The 2K3 villains were so bland and boring they didn't even deserve toys." "Some of the 2K3 villains were much, much better than any of the Nick ones!" "2K3 turned Shredder, the main villain, into a cyborg hybrid with Sorta-Krang, which was awful." "It was creative and different!" "It completely ruined the Oroku Saki character and turned him into a one-note super-villain." "Whatever, you're just biased because the Nick show borrows from the OT." "At least people remember the OT. Nobody watched 2K3 and nobody remembers it." "That's not true! Lots of people watched it and a lot of people still like it, it just wasn't advertised as much as the new show." "The fact they don't sell shirts of 2K3 proves nobody watched the show or remembers it. Something's only popular if I can buy a shirt of it at Hot Topic. Only popular things get sold at Hot Topic, so 2K3 is not and never was popular. Or good." "Then why was it so popular back then?" "It actually wasn't, those toys and DVDs that were selling so well for a while were an illusion. Besides, the Nick toys are much better, anyway." "WHY do you hate 2K3 so much?" "Because it sucks, it was boring." "But it was GREAT...!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Can we skip the next 8 pages of this discussion, please, since I just went ahead and wrote what y'all are gonna say? SO many threads about this... meh. Just MEH, already. I know it's going to come up repeatedly, but c'mon, can we wait 6 months or so in between? It's a dead-end with neither side willing to budge an inch.

10-18-2013, 10:53 PM	#84
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,825	Agreed it is sickening especially since after the Nick hype dies down you'll see people criticize this show heavily too.

10-18-2013, 11:52 PM	#86
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	No, but it'd be nice if there weren't three or four concurrent threads where the same exact people repeat the same exact talking points until it inevitably devolves into "What I Like Is Better Than What You Like", which where it always goes. At the very least, it needs a break. There's been a lot of "2K3 Vs. OT/Nick" back-and-forth lately and it's all exactly the same. I get it, these things come up. It's fun to debate. But I think this one's played out. Nobody can say anything that hasn't already been said and nobody is going to change anyone else's mind. We've all thrown our two cents in, but it's already getting back into "Your Show Sucks" Territory. Why?

10-19-2013, 03:41 PM	#97
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, but people are acting like every episode is just going to be about mutants and nothing else when there are a lot of other things that are going to probably be explored. I, for one, am excited to see where this season takes us, mutants and all. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.