Alec Baldwin shoots and kills his own cinematographer

*Andrew NDB* · 10-21-2021, 10:42 PM

Jeeze...

https://www.darkhorizons.com/cinemat...-set-accident/

*Wildcat* · 10-21-2021, 10:57 PM

I saw this on tv.

It’s very sad and scary that the movie is also about an accidental death.

I did not know until I read it in the article.

*Papenbrook* · 10-21-2021, 11:11 PM

The director is also left in critical condition.

This is exactly why workplace safety should be a priority. Accidents and tragedies shouldn't occur on film sets.

I send my condolences to their loved ones.

*Leo656* · 10-21-2021, 11:15 PM

Jesus.

I confess, I don't know much about movie SFX. But one would think that in the age of CGI and "just do it with computers", prop guns that actually have stuff in them would've been one of the first things to go. You can add both the sound effects and "discharge" in post, can't you? Why do we need to still use "blanks"? This isn't the first time a prop gun malfunctioned and someone died, after all.

I figured after Brandon Lee died, all that stuff would've gone out the window forever. 30 years later, here we are again.

Stupid. Pointless. Needless. You got the stupid computer SFX, use 'em.

*Wildcat* · 10-21-2021, 11:28 PM

That’s exactly what I was going to say. Just use cgi. Nobody will or should care that the brief fire of a gunshot is cgi.

There’s no need for anything to actually be shot out.

I did not know about some of the other accidents until they were mentioned on the Blu Ray forum.

*Leo656* · 10-21-2021, 11:44 PM

I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

~~1987~~ · 10-21-2021, 11:50 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/alecbaldw...25278123048960

*Wildcat* · 10-22-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness.

If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion.

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the guy. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall).

Such a f*cking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all.

It was the girl that died. The guy is in the hospital.

Ya I feel bad for Alec Baldwin. It’s an awful thing to have in the back of your mind.

Just use guns that have nothing in them or use realistic fake guns.

*ZariusTwo* · 10-22-2021, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

And that's the troubling thing. Baldwin's not going to have a whole lot of years left in him, and s*it like this so late in your career is kind of a 'final chapter' watermark moment.

Alec's fairytale should have been calling it a day after the Trump parodies (not trying to press any hot buttons on that, just an observation)

Anyway, IATSE have got to be feeling pretty damn stupid right now. All of this could have been avoided on Monday.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 10-26-2021, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sh*t to live with.

It kinda is his fault though... He is ultimately responsible for checking the firearm. If someone hands me a firearm, first thing I do is make sure its clear/empty & i still don't point it at anything or anyone I don't want to put holes into... He SHOULD have checked it before using it for the scene and he should have definitely made sure not to point it where people were standing or directly at anyone. Add in all the comment the deceased and other people on the film made weeks prior about the u safe working conditions & other "prop" gun problems. He should be charged and so should anyone else that handled the firearm on set prior to its use for that scene. Too bad he had to learn the hard way... except I'm sure its legit just another excuse/sacrifice by the lunatic left to try to ban firearms... (already seeing leftists post about it...)

*frank_one* · 11-04-2021, 04:28 PM

Using real guns on a set is as dumb as using real cocaine in a movie about a cocaine addict.

*Leo656* · 11-04-2021, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_one

Using real guns on a set is as dumb as using real cocaine in a movie about a cocaine addict.

Your comment reminds me of how back in 1996, WWF did an angle where they had Jerry Lawler pour whiskey down Jake "The Snake" Roberts's throat after he'd just gotten out of rehab a couple of months before and was in the middle of his sobriety. Jake didn't know they were gonna do that, and he was furious about it. Like "You know where I'm at and you're pouring f*cking whiskey in my face on live TV? The hell is wrong with you assholes?"

He's like "You could've just put iced tea in the f*cking bottle and not whiskey, who gives a sh*t?" And no joke, the guys who booked the segment were like, "Well I mean, the smell! It had to smell like real whiskey so the people in the front row wouldn't think it was fake!"

Jake's like "I'm pretty sure the three people who might've been able to tell would've been perfectly fine with it if you just used iced tea instead. News Flash, everybody KNOWS it isn't real, god damn it!"

Just the dumbest sh*t ever, and in a roundabout way that's still what we're debating here. "Everyone knows it's fake, so who gives a sh*t?"

*frank_one* · 12-02-2021, 12:35 PM

At some point they will say the gun was remote-controlled.

*oldmanwinters* · 12-02-2021, 12:59 PM

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At some point they will say the gun was remote-controlled.

This could end up being a conspiracy so wild that it gets its own movie.

Spoiler:

~~Sumac~~ · 12-03-2021, 12:13 AM

So much deflection from a ****** human.
Funny thing, even if he won't end up in jail, he still will live with this guilt up until the end of his days.

I think, if he won't be found guilty, this punishment is enough.

*Andrew NDB* · 12-03-2021, 12:43 AM

I honestly don't think he will be even charged with anything, let alone tried. I don't necessarily think he should be, either. Though I don't believe his "I didn't pull the trigger" thing for a second. Smacks of, "Well, can you prove that I did?" Because it sounds way better if he just claims he didn't.

It doesn't really matter though, IMO. Even if he were to have stopped and checked the chamber... what was he supposed to do? Stop when he sees that there's something in the chamber? There was supposed to be anyway, right? A blank? Then what is he supposed to do, take it out and look at it? I mean, maybe? I would. Most actors probably would. But it's not really on him at that point.

~~mrmaczaps~~ · 12-03-2021, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I honestly don't think he will be even charged with anything, let alone tried. I don't necessarily think he should be, either. Though I don't believe his "I didn't pull the trigger" thing for a second. Smacks of, "Well, can you prove that I did?" Because it sounds way better if he just claims he didn't.

It doesn't really matter though, IMO. Even if he were to have stopped and checked the chamber... what was he supposed to do? Stop when he sees that there's something in the chamber? There was supposed to be anyway, right? A blank? Then what is he supposed to do, take it out and look at it? I mean, maybe? I would. Most actors probably would. But it's not really on him at that point.

If he were "just" an actor and not also involved in the "making the movie & hiring people to work it" aspect, I'd say sure but in this case, he isn't just the actor on set. Its his movie. He hired the people who hired people to make the movie safe and was aware they were doing a terrible job keeping the movie safe.... so yeah, firearms safety says he himself should have checked that firearm. Any normal, responsible gun owner would have checked that thing & then made sure NOT to point it at any living human being that wasn't trying to kill them with hands, fist, feet skateboard or any other blunt force object and/or their own gun...

*oldmanwinters* · 12-03-2021, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sumac

Funny thing, even if he won't end up in jail, he still will live with this guilt up until the end of his days.

I think, if he won't be found guilty, this punishment is enough.

Nah, his conscience is totally clean. Totally. Totally.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alec-bald...120334649.html

EDIT: "Bo Duke" apparently has an opinion on the whole thing:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-schn...041557767.html

*frank_one* · 12-03-2021, 03:40 AM

Baldwin is an actor. He was there to act, with a gun that was supposed to be harmless. Other people were in charge of the safety of that working place. They told him it was safe to play with the gun, that's all he needed to know. They were wrong, they will pay. Baldwin is not responsible for what happened. No matter how his finger interacted with the trigger.

*IMJ* · 12-03-2021, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by frank_one

Baldwin is an actor. He was there to act, with a gun that was supposed to be harmless. Other people were in charge of the safety of that working place. They told him it was safe to play with the gun, that's all he needed to know. They were wrong, they will pay. Baldwin is not responsible for what happened. No matter how his finger interacted with the trigger.

Well we don't know all of the details, and the action around it seems to be that there may have been more going on - not necessarily from Baldwin himself, but in the production he was managing.

So basically if what you outlined above was all there is in it's purest form, then sure. But that's why we have a court system, which more and more I'm convinced is the last bastion of clear judgement in this country right now. It's in the courts that all of the finer and more intellectual and sophisticated details will come out that a real judgement can be made.

10-21-2021, 10:42 PM	#1
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,356	Alec Baldwin shoots and kills his own cinematographer Jeeze... https://www.darkhorizons.com/cinemat...-set-accident/ __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

10-21-2021, 10:57 PM	#2
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,260	I saw this on tv. It’s very sad and scary that the movie is also about an accidental death. I did not know until I read it in the article. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-21-2021, 11:15 PM	#4
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	Jesus. I confess, I don't know much about movie SFX. But one would think that in the age of CGI and "just do it with computers", prop guns that actually have stuff in them would've been one of the first things to go. You can add both the sound effects and "discharge" in post, can't you? Why do we need to still use "blanks"? This isn't the first time a prop gun malfunctioned and someone died, after all. I figured after Brandon Lee died, all that stuff would've gone out the window forever. 30 years later, here we are again. Stupid. Pointless. Needless. You got the stupid computer SFX, use 'em. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/

10-21-2021, 11:28 PM	#5
Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,260	That’s exactly what I was going to say. Just use cgi. Nobody will or should care that the brief fire of a gunshot is cgi. There’s no need for anything to actually be shot out. I did not know about some of the other accidents until they were mentioned on the Blu Ray forum. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

10-21-2021, 11:44 PM	#6
Leo656 The Franchise Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,696	I mean it's insane. I sincerely can't believe blanks are still a thing in this day and age. I'm always going on and on about "practical effects are the better option" but also, safety trumps all of that. Once is an accident. Twice is just carelessness. If I were an actor, I'd be goddamned if anyone would EVER point a gun at me that had anything in it. Not a blank, not a goddamn dandelion. Stupid. And now Baldwin's gonna have this on his conscience for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, but still. He technically killed the person. That's heavy sht to live with. AND he's had a long history of substance abuse problems. This is exactly the kind of thing that has a way of sending people into a downward spiral which can last forever (see Scott Hall). Such a fcking pointless goddamn thing to happen. Multiple lives ruined. One over with completely. For literally no goddamn good reason at all. __________________ "I left some words quite far from here to be a short reminder... I laid them out in stone, in case they need to last forever..." "But hey... I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know." nWo Tech: The Official Thread Poison of the Technodrome Forums https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxr...awnHgDz1ceDcfA https://theroxxshow.blogspot.com/ Last edited by Leo656; 10-22-2021 at 12:36 AM.

10-21-2021, 11:11 PM	#3
Papenbrook The King of Nothing Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: No comment -_- ... Posts: 2,755	The director is also left in critical condition. This is exactly why workplace safety should be a priority. Accidents and tragedies shouldn't occur on film sets. I send my condolences to their loved ones.

10-21-2021, 11:50 PM	#7
~~1987~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 640	https://mobile.twitter.com/alecbaldw...25278123048960

11-04-2021, 04:28 PM	#11
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 1,997	Using real guns on a set is as dumb as using real cocaine in a movie about a cocaine addict.

12-02-2021, 12:35 PM	#13
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 1,997	At some point they will say the gun was remote-controlled.

12-03-2021, 12:13 AM	#15
~~Sumac~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 6,129	So much deflection from a ****** human. Funny thing, even if he won't end up in jail, he still will live with this guilt up until the end of his days. I think, if he won't be found guilty, this punishment is enough.

12-03-2021, 12:43 AM	#16
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 29,356	I honestly don't think he will be even charged with anything, let alone tried. I don't necessarily think he should be, either. Though I don't believe his "I didn't pull the trigger" thing for a second. Smacks of, "Well, can you prove that I did?" Because it sounds way better if he just claims he didn't. It doesn't really matter though, IMO. Even if he were to have stopped and checked the chamber... what was he supposed to do? Stop when he sees that there's something in the chamber? There was supposed to be anyway, right? A blank? Then what is he supposed to do, take it out and look at it? I mean, maybe? I would. Most actors probably would. But it's not really on him at that point. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

12-03-2021, 03:40 AM	#19
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 1,997	Baldwin is an actor. He was there to act, with a gun that was supposed to be harmless. Other people were in charge of the safety of that working place. They told him it was safe to play with the gun, that's all he needed to know. They were wrong, they will pay. Baldwin is not responsible for what happened. No matter how his finger interacted with the trigger.