Scenes/Ideas that didn't make it?

Raakone · 01-02-2006, 08:35 AM

Hi. Just wondering if there's some stuff that was "intended, but didn't make it"

In "Enter the Shredder", during the fight with all those robots, there's a scene with the Roadkill Rodneys coming out of the pit "We Must Stop Them!" Yet there isn't any rematch with them.

Also, in "Return of the Technodrome", there's some suggestion that Irma is infatuated with the Turtles. Maybe that was what I'll call "Uncertainty Liberty", that when you're not sure if you'll be continuing a show (maybe they thought it might be the last episode when they made it) you sometimes go to some extremes.

Thirdly, in "20,000 Leaks Beneath the Sea", when the tidal wave rushes through the sewers, you see Splinter go down the waterfall, and he says "Farewell, Turtles"....but after the ad break, you see him about to go over, but he's cought and brought up the manhole. Was it originally going to be a "we thought you died" episode, but they determined that would be too "heavy"?

A fourth example....that de facto two-parter with the portal generator, that has "Hokum Hare" in it. I'm almost wondering if they originally intended Usagi Yojimbo to return, but, maybe they couldn't get the rights again, so they created "Hokum" to "fill in the gaps", so to speak.

So, any comments?

And any other places that suggest scenes or ideas that didn't make it?

~Ra'akone

remix17 · 01-02-2006, 05:34 PM

Well, I can only think of one. In the James Avery interview at the official site, Mr. Avery said some things got left on the cutting room floor. He only gave a "Shredder in Love" episode example, not any others, but he made it sound like the staff had thought up more a few ideas that either didn't make it to script or didn't make it to animation, for whatever reason.

Shredder in Love...I still wonder what the hell kind of madness would have taken place in such an episode. And then I get sad that it was never made.

*MrPliggins* · 01-04-2006, 10:40 AM

I think Hokem hare was always intended. They visited the fairy tale dimension...not sure what fairy tale he was from though... I'm sure they could have gotten the rights to Usagi again if they wanted to since Eastman and Laird are good friends with Stan Sakai. In my opinion, though, Usagi doesn't fit the stories of "turtles and the hare" and "once upon a time machine".

I always wondered about that Splinter scene too, it's very weird because two different things happen. Usually shows don't contradict themselves like that. You would think the editor would have cut it differently or something.

And "return of the technodrome" does seem like it could serve as a final episode. It would have actually been a very good series finale (way better than the real series finale). I think it was uncertain of the future of the series, which is why they had the Technodrome fall into the lava at the end. I remember wondering, in season 3, how they got the technodrome out of the lava?

remix17 · 01-04-2006, 10:55 AM

Maybe the thick hull could withstand most of the lava's destructive properties until Shredder and Krang organized themselves enough to pull it out.

:shrug: Cartoon science is fun.

*Sage Ninja* · 01-04-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by remix17

Well, I can only think of one. In the James Avery interview at the official site, Mr. Avery said some things got left on the cutting room floor. He only gave a "Shredder in Love" episode example, not any others, but he made it sound like the staff had thought up more a few ideas that either didn't make it to script or didn't make it to animation, for whatever reason.

Shredder in Love...I still wonder what the hell kind of madness would have taken place in such an episode. And then I get sad that it was never made.

You know a past love of Shedders would have been great if they had handled it properly. It could have served to show us a flash back episode of what led up to the events of Shedder framing Yoshi...and why? Maybe this would have been a way to bring in that gal the Shedder's brother was in love with and got killed by Yoshi for in the Mirage comics. They could very easily have made Shedder in love with her instead of his brother and have a sort of love triangle between Yoshi and Saki.

It would explain why Shedder tried so hard to destroy Spinter the way he did. As it is, even as a kid I never understood just why exactly Shedder hated Yoshi/Splinter so much. The fact that Shedder was ambitious and an asshole doesn't really justify the passion of the hatred he felt toward him. Maybe Shedder hated Yoshi they both loved the same girl...hmm, how mysterious...

Turtle Dove · 01-04-2006, 05:22 PM

Speaking of..... I was remember a part where Baxter had a electrca looking monster and sent him after the Turtles. He comments to the monster to make him turtle soup and licked his lips. The turtle look at him disgusted and fight the monster

Was this NOT on the DVD?

*Sage Ninja* · 01-05-2006, 02:37 AM

I don't know what you are talking about Turtle Donve

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Also, in "Return of the Technodrome", there's some suggestion that Irma is infatuated with the Turtles. Maybe that was what I'll call "Uncertainty Liberty", that when you're not sure if you'll be continuing a show (maybe they thought it might be the last episode when they made it) you sometimes go to some extremes.

That series did have a real "series finale" feel to it, it was quite well done, I made you wonder if the villans survived or not. As to the whole Irma thing I always got the impressions that she had more of an infatuation with Donatello than with any of the other turtles. That infatuation was always sublely played up on certain levels. And what is weird Donatello kind of responded to that unconsciencely at times

One thing that always made me wonder if they had more plans that never got going was the introduction of the Rat King and his abilty to control Splinter. It seemed like they where really going some where with that and then it never occured again.

And the introduction of Mona Lisa that never went any where. Was there some possiable direction the writters where playing with to give the boys (or at least Raphael) possiable love intersts that they could actually get involved with. And the whole Mondo Geko living in the sewers and seemed like the writters where trying to give Michaelangelo a best friend and buddy that always seemed like he always wanted seemed to Dwindle off.

And i can't even remember what Roch=kSteady and Bebops fate where?

*VaughnMichael* · 01-05-2006, 06:31 AM

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And i can't even remember what RochckSteady and Bebops fate where?

they just stoped existing....

*MrPliggins* · 01-05-2006, 07:44 AM

Turtle dove, you are talking about "curse of the evil eye" which is on volume 2, I think. This is the part where Baxter has the helmet and makes the Taj Mahal, along with the electricity monster and the blob monster, which by the way is no match for Shredder.

As far as b & r, it was never explained if I remember right. They are there in season 8's finale. Then in season 10 when S and K return, B and R aren't even mentioned.

This show always set up stuff that they never returned to, and they always left it open by having leo say "i have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him/her".

remix17 · 01-05-2006, 10:29 AM

After about six seasons, the others should have said, "No s***, Leo."

Shreddette · 01-05-2006, 05:05 PM

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Shredder in Love...I still wonder what the hell kind of madness would have taken place in such an episode. And then I get sad that it was never made.

You know what I think might have happened... to fit in with the old toon humour and lightheartedness, Shredder probably would've been hit with some wierd ray love potion of sorts that made him fall for someone like Irma or something. LOL. It would probably be similar to the episode of The Real Ghostbusters where Janine wishes Egon was crazy about her and he would stare at her all the time and say "You're beautiful when you're angry" when she was angry etc. It was funny, probably one of my favourite episodes.

Of course I could be wrong... but I just can't see Shredder being in love for real or you'd think they would've continued with it in later episodes. So it would have to be a quick, one time thing. Oh god that sounds BAD LMFAO-- or good, depending how you look at it...

I'll uh. Shut up now. Yeah.

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After about six seasons, the others should have said, "No s***, Leo."

remix17 · 01-05-2006, 05:13 PM

Love potion! Ha! Didn't think of that...although I have considered writing a comical Shredder/Irma story...hey, she's desperate enough shack up with ANYBOBY.

Shreddette · 01-05-2006, 05:17 PM

She'd totally shack up with him if he wanted.

Remember the Four Muskaturtles? She thought he wanted to marry her just cause she was hostage or something. He laughed in her face. LOL.

THAT'S my boy.

~~SurfGuru133~~ · 01-05-2006, 06:06 PM

How bout this shredder gets cancer but uses his own special brand of mutagen to cure himself If u kno wud I mean

remix17 · 01-05-2006, 06:07 PM

Poor Irma. XD Hope THAT ep comes out on DVD soon! :bounces happily:

Shreddette · 01-05-2006, 06:13 PM

I hope you're not serious, Surf. That's a terrible idea. Cancer isn't something people write about in cartoons, especially in such a manner when it's not even curable, and that would be trying to make cancer funny or lighthearted, which it ISN'T.

Ha, yeah poor Irma. What a BURN.
I'm so glad that wasn't me.

~~SurfGuru133~~ · 01-05-2006, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shreddette

I hope you're not serious, Surf. That's a terrible idea. Cancer isn't something people write about in cartoons. That would be trying to make cancer funny or lighthearted, which it ISN'T.

Ha, yeah poor Irma. What a BURN.
I'm so glad that wasn't me.

I was playin of course since the topic is about things that wouldnt ever show up on turtles

remix17 · 01-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Good.

I remember a few years back when I learned that another favorite villain (a comic one) of mine got cancer...then shot himself.

Tenth graders flunking Biology should not be plagued by this sort of thing.

Turtle Dove · 01-05-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shreddette

She'd totally shack up with him if he wanted.

Remember the Four Muskaturtles? She thought he wanted to marry her just cause she was hostage or something. He laughed in her face. LOL.

THAT'S my boy.

Dude! If Shredder laughed in my face cause I had thought he wanted to marry him I'd kick him in the "You know what", get myself free and beat the daylights out of him.

- I can see it now-

Me: So you like me?

Shredder: HAHAHA

Me and you? HAHAHA

ME: You little...urghh *punch*

The Turtles come to save me and see me beating the BLEH out of Shredder. Krang is watching on the intercom and laughing at Shredder

Krang: YOu should bllllll no better then to laugh at a girrrrrrrrl...

*MrPliggins* · 01-06-2006, 05:48 AM

Falling in love with irma has already been done in the show.. I bet the Shredder would fall for April or something (of course that's been done too)...or maybe someone odd like the neutrino girl. There aren't a whole lot of females in this series to pick from. I can see this episode being sort of like cowabunga shredhead with him acting totally out of character and it would be hilarious.

01-02-2006, 08:35 AM	#1
Raakone Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 17	Scenes/Ideas that didn't make it? Hi. Just wondering if there's some stuff that was "intended, but didn't make it" In "Enter the Shredder", during the fight with all those robots, there's a scene with the Roadkill Rodneys coming out of the pit "We Must Stop Them!" Yet there isn't any rematch with them. Also, in "Return of the Technodrome", there's some suggestion that Irma is infatuated with the Turtles. Maybe that was what I'll call "Uncertainty Liberty", that when you're not sure if you'll be continuing a show (maybe they thought it might be the last episode when they made it) you sometimes go to some extremes. Thirdly, in "20,000 Leaks Beneath the Sea", when the tidal wave rushes through the sewers, you see Splinter go down the waterfall, and he says "Farewell, Turtles"....but after the ad break, you see him about to go over, but he's cought and brought up the manhole. Was it originally going to be a "we thought you died" episode, but they determined that would be too "heavy"? A fourth example....that de facto two-parter with the portal generator, that has "Hokum Hare" in it. I'm almost wondering if they originally intended Usagi Yojimbo to return, but, maybe they couldn't get the rights again, so they created "Hokum" to "fill in the gaps", so to speak. So, any comments? And any other places that suggest scenes or ideas that didn't make it? ~Ra'akone

01-02-2006, 05:34 PM	#2
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	Well, I can only think of one. In the James Avery interview at the official site, Mr. Avery said some things got left on the cutting room floor. He only gave a "Shredder in Love" episode example, not any others, but he made it sound like the staff had thought up more a few ideas that either didn't make it to script or didn't make it to animation, for whatever reason. Shredder in Love...I still wonder what the hell kind of madness would have taken place in such an episode. And then I get sad that it was never made. __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-04-2006, 10:55 AM	#4
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	Maybe the thick hull could withstand most of the lava's destructive properties until Shredder and Krang organized themselves enough to pull it out. :shrug: Cartoon science is fun. __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-04-2006, 05:22 PM	#6
Turtle Dove Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In Don's workshop Posts: 854	Speaking of..... I was remember a part where Baxter had a electrca looking monster and sent him after the Turtles. He comments to the monster to make him turtle soup and licked his lips. The turtle look at him disgusted and fight the monster Was this NOT on the DVD? __________________ ]~You'll always be #1 in my heart~ 1..2...3...4..Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.....

01-05-2006, 10:29 AM	#10
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	After about six seasons, the others should have said, "No s***, Leo." __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-04-2006, 10:40 AM	#3
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	I think Hokem hare was always intended. They visited the fairy tale dimension...not sure what fairy tale he was from though... I'm sure they could have gotten the rights to Usagi again if they wanted to since Eastman and Laird are good friends with Stan Sakai. In my opinion, though, Usagi doesn't fit the stories of "turtles and the hare" and "once upon a time machine". I always wondered about that Splinter scene too, it's very weird because two different things happen. Usually shows don't contradict themselves like that. You would think the editor would have cut it differently or something. And "return of the technodrome" does seem like it could serve as a final episode. It would have actually been a very good series finale (way better than the real series finale). I think it was uncertain of the future of the series, which is why they had the Technodrome fall into the lava at the end. I remember wondering, in season 3, how they got the technodrome out of the lava?

01-05-2006, 07:44 AM	#9
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	Turtle dove, you are talking about "curse of the evil eye" which is on volume 2, I think. This is the part where Baxter has the helmet and makes the Taj Mahal, along with the electricity monster and the blob monster, which by the way is no match for Shredder. As far as b & r, it was never explained if I remember right. They are there in season 8's finale. Then in season 10 when S and K return, B and R aren't even mentioned. This show always set up stuff that they never returned to, and they always left it open by having leo say "i have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him/her".

01-05-2006, 05:13 PM	#12
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	Love potion! Ha! Didn't think of that...although I have considered writing a comical Shredder/Irma story...hey, she's desperate enough shack up with ANYBOBY. __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-05-2006, 05:17 PM	#13
Shreddette Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chained to Shredders Bed Posts: 402	She'd totally shack up with him if he wanted. Remember the Four Muskaturtles? She thought he wanted to marry her just cause she was hostage or something. He laughed in her face. LOL. THAT'S my boy. __________________

01-05-2006, 06:06 PM	#14
~~SurfGuru133~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: riding a wave or skating somewhere in OC Posts: 53	How bout this shredder gets cancer but uses his own special brand of mutagen to cure himself If u kno wud I mean

01-05-2006, 06:07 PM	#15
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	Poor Irma. XD Hope THAT ep comes out on DVD soon! :bounces happily: __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-05-2006, 06:13 PM	#16
Shreddette Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chained to Shredders Bed Posts: 402	I hope you're not serious, Surf. That's a terrible idea. Cancer isn't something people write about in cartoons, especially in such a manner when it's not even curable, and that would be trying to make cancer funny or lighthearted, which it ISN'T. Ha, yeah poor Irma. What a BURN. I'm so glad that wasn't me. __________________

01-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#18
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	Good. I remember a few years back when I learned that another favorite villain (a comic one) of mine got cancer...then shot himself. Tenth graders flunking Biology should not be plagued by this sort of thing. __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

01-06-2006, 05:48 AM	#20
MrPliggins Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,051	Falling in love with irma has already been done in the show.. I bet the Shredder would fall for April or something (of course that's been done too)...or maybe someone odd like the neutrino girl. There aren't a whole lot of females in this series to pick from. I can see this episode being sort of like cowabunga shredhead with him acting totally out of character and it would be hilarious.