TMNT Movie 2, Casey Jones, ...?

Ron · 10-21-2008, 02:14 PM

Hey guys,

Just wondering why they didn't integrate Casey Jones in the second live movie? I mean, was it because it didn't come along in the story line, the actor refused the role, took out his character as they found he was to " violent " for the second movie ( as we all know, it was mostly directed to a younger audience), etc.

I was just wondering if anybody knew something I don't.

Thanks,
Ron

*Mecha Cow* · 10-21-2008, 04:28 PM

Apparently parents complained he was too reminiscent of Jason Voorhees or something.

*CyberCubed* · 10-21-2008, 04:36 PM

Because we needed Keno, the pizza delivery boy!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-21-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Apparently parents complained he was too reminiscent of Jason Voorhees or something.

Who cares? I didn't even know who Jason Voorhees was at that time, just thought Casey Jones was the original.

Scrabblemouse · 10-22-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Apparently parents complained he was too reminiscent of Jason Voorhees or something.

Haha! Now that would have been interesting....

You could have Shredder as Hannibal Lecter! They have a similar face-plate...

*KROW* · 10-22-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Apparently parents complained he was too reminiscent of Jason Voorhees or something.

Yeah, either that, or they didn't want their kids going ape with sports gear -- or both.

DonatelloDomeHead31 · 10-22-2008, 04:30 PM

Isn't it true that with the 2nd movie they were trying to focus on the original ninja turtles cartoon before the episode that introduced Casey Jones? That's why the turtles didn't use their weapons and Michelangelo made so many jokes?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-22-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by donatello22

Isn't it true that with the 2nd movie they were trying to focus on the original ninja turtles cartoon before the episode that introduced Casey Jones? That's why the turtles didn't use their weapons and Michelangelo made so many jokes?

Casey Jones first appeared in the 1987 cartoon during season 3 (1989) with the episode "Casey Jones: Outlaw Hero". But that episode didn't play a very important role in that cartoon.

*KROW* · 10-23-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by donatello22

Isn't it true that with the 2nd movie they were trying to focus on the original ninja turtles cartoon before the episode that introduced Casey Jones? That's why the turtles didn't use their weapons and Michelangelo made so many jokes?

No, it was because parents b*tched about the use of weapons. It's clear in the beginning of the film when Mikey uses hot dogs and a yo-yo, Don pretends to be that clown toy, Leo throws his katana in the ceiling, and Raph uses the pommels of his sai.

*Spitfire* · 10-23-2008, 01:45 PM

You guys have any proof for these claims or are they assumptions? You don't often see the format of a successful movie changed just because a few people complained. Controversy breeds more ticket sales.

CudleyCowlick · 10-23-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

You guys have any proof for these claims or are they assumptions? You don't often see the format of a successful movie changed just because a few people complained. Controversy breeds more ticket sales.

Very true, and I'm sure that much of this is indeed speculation. But how much of the early 90s do you recall, Spit? Things were more than just a little PC and it seems that any lame ass parental/religious/what-have-you group with a ridiculous complaint tended to get their way. Even big business bowed down before the moral crusaders much of the time.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-23-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KROW

No, it was because parents b*tched about the use of weapons. It's clear in the beginning of the film when Mikey uses hot dogs and a yo-yo, Don pretends to be that clown toy, Leo throws his katana in the ceiling, and Raph uses the pommels of his sai.

And it was even worse in the third with the lack of the TMNT's weapon use.

*Spitfire* · 10-23-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCowboyDion

Very true, and I'm sure that much of this is indeed speculation. But how much of the early 90s do you recall, Spit? Things were more than just a little PC and it seems that any lame ass parental/religious/what-have-you group with a ridiculous complaint tended to get their way. Even big business bowed down before the moral crusaders much of the time.

Not enough I guess. I don't remember it being that bad, course my memories of the early 90's are fuzzy. All I know is kids movies and shows got away with a hell of a lot more then they do now.

**Jester** · 10-23-2008, 08:09 PM

Heck Mikey's nunchucks were 86ed because of parental complaints, and it wasn't even Americans. I'm sure that the movie was toned down due to complaints from soccer moms, but I'm not sure that's why TMNT 2 lacked Casey.

DonatelloDomeHead31 · 10-24-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KROW

No, it was because parents b*tched about the use of weapons. It's clear in the beginning of the film when Mikey uses hot dogs and a yo-yo, Don pretends to be that clown toy, Leo throws his katana in the ceiling, and Raph uses the pommels of his sai.

Yeah, the only turtle that used his weapon against the foot soldiers was Donatello. Also, he used it against Tokka. Also at the lab with the foot, Leo uses those training sticks against the foot and not his swords.

Fighting did happen (obviously) but very brief.

*Coola Yagami* · 10-24-2008, 01:31 AM

I thought TMNT III brought back weapon use?

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-24-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I thought TMNT III brought back weapon use?

Yes, but it was never in such a violent way as Mirage. And "Next Mutation" had not much weapon use.

*odupianist* · 10-24-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

You guys have any proof for these claims or are they assumptions? You don't often see the format of a successful movie changed just because a few people complained. Controversy breeds more ticket sales.

If you watch "Behind the Shells" (which I used to have on VHS), I vaguely remember PL saying something about parents complaining about weapons and violence.

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Originally Posted by donatello22

Yeah, the only turtle that used his weapon against the foot soldiers was Donatello. Also, he used it against Tokka. Also at the lab with the foot, Leo uses those training sticks against the foot and not his swords.

Fighting did happen (obviously) but very brief.

Leo used his swords in the mall, but he threw them into the ceiling. Fail!

Evenstar227 · 10-24-2008, 09:36 AM

TMNT III and Next Mutation were, overall, lesser quality than the first 2 movies. Could the absence of weapon use be blamed on a smaller budget? Crappier costumes which didn't allow for weapons manipulation? Actors who didn't have the ability to wield weapons, and no one to train them? Maybe there were logistical problems in addition to parental outcry.

*BigApple3AM* · 10-24-2008, 11:22 AM

Elias Koteas is most likely responsible for no Casey in the second movie. The turn around for the second movie was like a year from the first one. Elias had 4 other movies in 1990 besides turtles. He probably couldn't make room in his schedule for TMNT 2. TMNT 3 came out a couple years later so he was able to do that one.

10-21-2008, 02:14 PM	#1
Ron Thug Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 87	TMNT Movie 2, Casey Jones, ...? Hey guys, Just wondering why they didn't integrate Casey Jones in the second live movie? I mean, was it because it didn't come along in the story line, the actor refused the role, took out his character as they found he was to " violent " for the second movie ( as we all know, it was mostly directed to a younger audience), etc. I was just wondering if anybody knew something I don't. Thanks, Ron

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10-23-2008, 08:09 PM	#14
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Heck Mikey's nunchucks were 86ed because of parental complaints, and it wasn't even Americans. I'm sure that the movie was toned down due to complaints from soccer moms, but I'm not sure that's why TMNT 2 lacked Casey. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

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CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,866	Because we needed Keno, the pizza delivery boy!

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Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	I thought TMNT III brought back weapon use?

10-24-2008, 09:36 AM	#19
Evenstar227 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: 42 Burr Hill Rd Posts: 513	TMNT III and Next Mutation were, overall, lesser quality than the first 2 movies. Could the absence of weapon use be blamed on a smaller budget? Crappier costumes which didn't allow for weapons manipulation? Actors who didn't have the ability to wield weapons, and no one to train them? Maybe there were logistical problems in addition to parental outcry. __________________ In the beginning...

10-24-2008, 11:22 AM	#20
BigApple3AM Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Supermarket Aisle Posts: 1,635	Elias Koteas is most likely responsible for no Casey in the second movie. The turn around for the second movie was like a year from the first one. Elias had 4 other movies in 1990 besides turtles. He probably couldn't make room in his schedule for TMNT 2. TMNT 3 came out a couple years later so he was able to do that one.