Ninja Turtle attributes

InsaneZane · 05-25-2003, 02:10 PM

1-4...
4=BEST
Just because someone has '1' dosnt mean they stink at that attribute...keep that in mind.
This is my opinion as long as nobody shares the same attribute level... this is about WHO is better at WHAT.

LEONARDO
SKILL- 4
INTELLEGENCE- 3
STRENGTH- 2
SPEED- 1

DONATELLO
SKILL- 3
INTELLEGENCE- 4
STRENGTH- 1
SPEED- 2

RAPHAEL
SKILL- 1
INTELLEGENCE- 2
STRENGTH- 4
SPEED- 3

MICHELANGELO
SKILL- 2
INTELLEGENCE- 1
STRENGTH- 3
SPEED- 4

Well?
I think Raph and Mike's SPEED and STRENGTH used to be switched around for the old cartoon.

**Karpo_007** · 05-25-2003, 03:09 PM

I don't know, they all are skilled, and better than other in some situations. I couödn't put a number on how skilled or intelligent they are..

RomStom · 05-25-2003, 03:22 PM

I think thats correct. As long as you can't have two people having the same speed etc.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 05-25-2003, 07:22 PM

I think your atrributes are far too broad to accurately put a number on them...

Meira-Bates · 05-25-2003, 10:11 PM

You are right actually, acording to offical stats...except...I dunno about where the skill level would be for the other 3 besides Leo...and intelligence depends on which kind you mean...in all around intelligence Leo would actualy rank highest, but in bookish knowledge, Don rules.

*Kid Icarus* · 05-25-2003, 10:23 PM

I'd say you got most of them right, and some wrong.

I would put Mikes skill at 1, and Raphs at 2, because Mike tends to screw around when he should be training (going off the cartoon universe here, comics are pry diffrent.)

**HorseTechie** · 05-26-2003, 11:25 AM

Dunno where he's getting those from, but I don't think it's the Pallidium RPG book. Mirage did have a hand in those profiles.

They have it listed as this (I left out the skills, cause that's harder to rank)

Raph: IQ (12), P.S. (20), Speed (15)
Leo: IQ (16), P.S. (15), Speed (11)
Don: IQ (19), P.S. (13), Speed (10)
Mike: IQ (11), P.S. (16), Speed (14)

So Raph is strongest of the four, but his IQ and speed is only one higher than Mike's. It was stated, however, that "[Michaelangelo] doesn't work as hard at the art of ninjitsu as any of the others (except perhaps Donatello), but his naturally high physical prowess more than makes up for his lack of discipline."

Here's a typed up description from the books, someone put on her site. Doesn't have the numerical stats, but it's still interesting:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffee.../profiles.html

*JameO* · 05-26-2003, 02:40 PM

I don't think Leo deserves a 1 for "Speed". He is fast and moving and everything else and most of them are pretty quick since they have to "keep to the darkness". Even if you were only allowed to assign one turtle a 3 or a 4 I think Leo is higher. But overall not bad!

redsai4lex · 05-26-2003, 04:20 PM

zane is right

i like raph the best and his skill is phenomenal
but he is not in comparison to the other 3.
that is probably why he is so angry.

zane said "Just because someone has '1' dosnt mean they stink at that attribute...keep that in mind. "

all tmnt rule at all 4!!!

impetus · 05-26-2003, 06:00 PM

?!?!?!?

Raph is the best fighter of the four! Why is his skill level set at 1? Even if you factor in his arrogance and hotheadedness, he's still around Leo's level. (remember he beat Leo in Return to NY?). True, he had his weakness revealed in the River, but still he's the best fighter, and I think he should rank overall right below Leo...

Mike's intelligence at 1 as well? Oy!! Mike is the writer and poet!!!

InsaneZane · 05-30-2003, 01:19 AM

hmm... I thought I was pretty accurete..

BTW... Raph's skill is not higher than Leo's

geesh.. where'd that come from?

impetus · 05-30-2003, 10:29 AM

#19

raph whooped Leo in hand to hand combat. But later in #21 it showed that Leo was better because of his level-headedness. In any case, Raph is the best combat fighter in terms of technical skill.

Remember I did say "around Leo's level" not "higher than".

*JameO* · 05-30-2003, 11:14 AM

Yes raph does deserve higher than a 1 on skill! I agree with impetus.

Sparvid · 05-30-2003, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by impetus

#19

raph whooped Leo in hand to hand combat. But later in #21 it showed that Leo was better because of his level-headedness. In any case, Raph is the best combat fighter in terms of technical skill.

Remember I did say "around Leo's level" not "higher than".

Ssssh! You'll get heretic's attention...

impetus · 05-30-2003, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by InsaneZane

BTW... Raph's skill is not higher than Leo's

geesh.. where'd that come from?

Looking back, I distinctly said "I think he should rank overall right below Leo... ". So you tell me where that came from because I never said it.

I think maybe you just read it wrong.

no offense taken

*heretic888* · 05-31-2003, 12:26 PM

Here's my take..... and, when I say 'my take', I really mean the Palladium/Mirage RPG take:

LEONARDO
SKILL- 3
INTELLEGENCE- 3
STRENGTH- 2
SPEED- 2

DONATELLO
SKILL- 1
INTELLEGENCE- 4
STRENGTH- 1
SPEED- 1

RAPHAEL
SKILL- 2
INTELLEGENCE- 2
STRENGTH- 4
SPEED- 4

MICHELANGELO
SKILL- 4
INTELLEGENCE- 1
STRENGTH- 3
SPEED- 3

Some side notes.....

I assume by 'Skill' you are referring to UNARMED natural combat abilities (ie. Taijutsu) as combat prowess may or may not change depending on the weapon(s) they may be using.

By 'Intelligence' I am assuming you are referring to conventional intelligence (as measured in IQ tests) and not things like 'street smarts' or 'intuitive/emotional intelligence'.

By 'Strength' I am assuming you are referring to how much muscle they have and how much they can lift/carry.... and not the degree of power they have in their movements.

By 'Speed' I am assuming you are referring to how fast they can run/sprint, and not how quick their responses are in combat.

Again, this is based on the Mirage TMNT. I can't speak for the other versions.

*heretic888* · 05-31-2003, 12:47 PM

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I don't know, they all are skilled, and better than other in some situations. I couödn't put a number on how skilled or intelligent they are..

Luckily for us, Mirage and Palladium already have.

Oh, and in case any of you are questioning the authenticity of Palladium's stats, I actually emailed Dan Berger and asked him if the Palladium ones were 'official' and he replied: "They're as official as its going to get."

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I think your atrributes are far too broad to accurately put a number on them...

These attributes are rankings, not values. When its says Leo is 3 in Intelligence, it means he is the second smartest of the group not that he is 'level 3' in Intelligence.

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You are right actually, acording to offical stats...

What 'official stats' are you talking about?? These stats really aren't that close (although they did get some right)....

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I'd say you got most of them right, and some wrong.

Ditto.

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I would put Mikes skill at 1, and Raphs at 2, because Mike tends to screw around when he should be training (going off the cartoon universe here, comics are pry diffrent.)

Didn't Mike whup Raph's arse in the new cartoon??

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Dunno where he's getting those from, but I don't think it's the Pallidium RPG book. Mirage did have a hand in those profiles.

Bingo.

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They have it listed as this (I left out the skills, cause that's harder to rank)

"Skills" would probably be derived from the characters' overall combat bonuses in the game.

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So Raph is strongest of the four, but his IQ and speed is only one higher than Mike's. It was stated, however, that "[Michaelangelo] doesn't work as hard at the art of ninjitsu as any of the others (except perhaps Donatello), but his naturally high physical prowess more than makes up for his lack of discipline."

Yes, Mike has the overall highest combat skills (Strike, Parry, Damage, Dodge) of the four of them... although Leo is pretty close behind. Actually, overall, Mike and Leo might be a tie now that I think of it. Hmmm....

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I don't think Leo deserves a 1 for "Speed". He is fast and moving and everything else and most of them are pretty quick since they have to "keep to the darkness". Even if you were only allowed to assign one turtle a 3 or a 4 I think Leo is higher. But overall not bad!

Again these are hierarchical rankings not value ratings. Leo would be 2 on running/sprinting Speed (he is only faster than Don).

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zane is right

He's right on some, wrong on others.

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i like raph the best and his skill is phenomenal
but he is not in comparison to the other 3.
that is probably why he is so angry.

Actually, Raph would have a 2 in overall combat Skill (he's better than Don).

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Raph is the best fighter of the four! Why is his skill level set at 1? Even if you factor in his arrogance and hotheadedness, he's still around Leo's level.

The 'official' stats (the Palladium/Mirage ones) don't seem to think so. And Mike beat Raph several times in sparring sessions.

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(remember he beat Leo in Return to NY?). True, he had his weakness revealed in the River, but still he's the best fighter, and I think he should rank overall right below Leo...

Leo was holding back in that battle, and Leo then proceeded to save his ass against a horde of Shredder Elite (whom Raph was unable to defeat). Just prior to City at War (during Shades of Grey), Raph and Leo proceeded to spar and Raph was consistently beaten by Leo while Mike watched from the sidelines (it would be great to see the Mirage Mike and Leo finally spar).

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Mike's intelligence at 1 as well? Oy!! Mike is the writer and poet!!!

I beleive the attribute is referring to conventional intelligence (as measured by IQ). In terms of emotional intelligence, intuitive intelligence, and creative/aesthetic intelligence, Mike probably is the smartest.

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hmm... I thought I was pretty accurete..

Some were, others weren't.

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BTW... Raph's skill is not higher than Leo's

Ditto.

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#19 raph whooped Leo in hand to hand combat. But later in #21 it showed that Leo was better because of his level-headedness. In any case, Raph is the best combat fighter in terms of technical skill.

Actually, Mike has beaten him at least twice in sparring and Leo beat him in sparring as well (during Shades of Gray). And his movements (as drawn in the comics) don't seem all that 'technically skillful' to me. He is probably relying mostly on crude strength and speed.

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Ssssh! You'll get heretic's attention...

Too late.

impetus · 05-31-2003, 01:34 PM

heretic, you tha man

**Karpo_007** · 05-31-2003, 01:40 PM

I think you can't really give a number on the skills of the TMNT. It all depends on the situation. Raph can beat less skilled foot soldiers easily, but got his ass whooped by Shredder elite. Leo is skilled in combat, but also in battle tactics. Michelangelo is skilled but not a tactician, at time Don seems almost like a pacifist who doesn't enjoy combat. Ultimately wich is most skilled in what comes from the writers hand when he writes the events, but thats how the characters usually work.

*heretic888* · 05-31-2003, 02:15 PM

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heretic, you tha man

Err.... thanks.

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I think you can't really give a number on the skills of the TMNT.

Sure you can!

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It all depends on the situation.

That is true. What we see in the comics is a combination of the character's skill divided by the situational dilemma. But just because the situation has a big influence on the outcome doesn't mean their skills are some nebulous thing beyond comparing.

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Raph can beat less skilled foot soldiers easily, but got his ass whooped by Shredder elite.

That is because Raph is basically a berserker. He relies mostly on crude strength and speed instead of things like flow, timing, positioning, and whatnot. As such, he would be quite effective against fairly inexperienced fighters or people much weaker and/or slower than him. Against really skilled fighters, though, he'd get owned.

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Leo is skilled in combat, but also in battle tactics.

Yup.

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Michelangelo is skilled but not a tactician

Strategy quickly shows its limitations in the throes of combat. Mushin ('no mind') and nagare ('flow') are the essence to mastering Ninpo, not superior battle strategies. This is what lets the ninja dodge a sword stroke or sniper shot from behin without knowing its there, and allows the ninja to adapt to a situation after the initial 'strategy' or 'technique' may have failed.

Strategy is useful, but has its limitations. Particularly if you get 'stuck' on it.

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Ultimately wich is most skilled in what comes from the writers hand when he writes the events, but thats how the characters usually work.

Yes... but that has more to do with the situational dilemma and not the character's own skills.

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05-25-2003, 03:22 PM	#3
RomStom Random Punk Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 45	I think thats correct. As long as you can't have two people having the same speed etc. __________________

05-25-2003, 10:11 PM	#5
Meira-Bates Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2003 Location: an abandoned wearhouse Posts: 1,057	You are right actually, acording to offical stats...except...I dunno about where the skill level would be for the other 3 besides Leo...and intelligence depends on which kind you mean...in all around intelligence Leo would actualy rank highest, but in bookish knowledge, Don rules. __________________ I'm also the winner of the award for being least likely to receive an award! O.o

05-26-2003, 02:40 PM	#8
JameO Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,753	I don't think Leo deserves a 1 for "Speed". He is fast and moving and everything else and most of them are pretty quick since they have to "keep to the darkness". Even if you were only allowed to assign one turtle a 3 or a 4 I think Leo is higher. But overall not bad! __________________ "Lie, Cheat & Steal, Atleast I'm Honest"

05-26-2003, 04:20 PM	#9
redsai4lex Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2003 Location: by the TMNT's side Posts: 546	zane is right i like raph the best and his skill is phenomenal but he is not in comparison to the other 3. that is probably why he is so angry. zane said "Just because someone has '1' dosnt mean they stink at that attribute...keep that in mind. " all tmnt rule at all 4!!! __________________

05-25-2003, 02:10 PM	#1
InsaneZane Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 1,198	Ninja Turtle attributes 1-4... 4=BEST Just because someone has '1' dosnt mean they stink at that attribute...keep that in mind. This is my opinion as long as nobody shares the same attribute level... this is about WHO is better at WHAT. LEONARDO SKILL- 4 INTELLEGENCE- 3 STRENGTH- 2 SPEED- 1 DONATELLO SKILL- 3 INTELLEGENCE- 4 STRENGTH- 1 SPEED- 2 RAPHAEL SKILL- 1 INTELLEGENCE- 2 STRENGTH- 4 SPEED- 3 MICHELANGELO SKILL- 2 INTELLEGENCE- 1 STRENGTH- 3 SPEED- 4 Well? I think Raph and Mike's SPEED and STRENGTH used to be switched around for the old cartoon. __________________

05-25-2003, 03:09 PM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I don't know, they all are skilled, and better than other in some situations. I couödn't put a number on how skilled or intelligent they are..

05-25-2003, 07:22 PM	#4
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	I think your atrributes are far too broad to accurately put a number on them...

05-25-2003, 10:23 PM	#6
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I'd say you got most of them right, and some wrong. I would put Mikes skill at 1, and Raphs at 2, because Mike tends to screw around when he should be training (going off the cartoon universe here, comics are pry diffrent.)

05-26-2003, 11:25 AM	#7
HorseTechie Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Midwest Posts: 5,677	Dunno where he's getting those from, but I don't think it's the Pallidium RPG book. Mirage did have a hand in those profiles. They have it listed as this (I left out the skills, cause that's harder to rank) Raph: IQ (12), P.S. (20), Speed (15) Leo: IQ (16), P.S. (15), Speed (11) Don: IQ (19), P.S. (13), Speed (10) Mike: IQ (11), P.S. (16), Speed (14) So Raph is strongest of the four, but his IQ and speed is only one higher than Mike's. It was stated, however, that "[Michaelangelo] doesn't work as hard at the art of ninjitsu as any of the others (except perhaps Donatello), but his naturally high physical prowess more than makes up for his lack of discipline." Here's a typed up description from the books, someone put on her site. Doesn't have the numerical stats, but it's still interesting: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffee.../profiles.html

05-26-2003, 06:00 PM	#10
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	?!?!?!? Raph is the best fighter of the four! Why is his skill level set at 1? Even if you factor in his arrogance and hotheadedness, he's still around Leo's level. (remember he beat Leo in Return to NY?). True, he had his weakness revealed in the River, but still he's the best fighter, and I think he should rank overall right below Leo... Mike's intelligence at 1 as well? Oy!! Mike is the writer and poet!!! __________________

05-30-2003, 01:19 AM	#11
InsaneZane Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2003 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 1,198	hmm... I thought I was pretty accurete.. BTW... Raph's skill is not higher than Leo's geesh.. where'd that come from? __________________

05-30-2003, 10:29 AM	#12
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	#19 raph whooped Leo in hand to hand combat. But later in #21 it showed that Leo was better because of his level-headedness. In any case, Raph is the best combat fighter in terms of technical skill. Remember I did say "around Leo's level" not "higher than". __________________

05-30-2003, 11:14 AM	#13
JameO Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,753	Yes raph does deserve higher than a 1 on skill! I agree with impetus. __________________ "Lie, Cheat & Steal, Atleast I'm Honest"

05-31-2003, 12:26 PM	#16
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmmm Here's my take..... and, when I say 'my take', I really mean the Palladium/Mirage RPG take: LEONARDO SKILL- 3 INTELLEGENCE- 3 STRENGTH- 2 SPEED- 2 DONATELLO SKILL- 1 INTELLEGENCE- 4 STRENGTH- 1 SPEED- 1 RAPHAEL SKILL- 2 INTELLEGENCE- 2 STRENGTH- 4 SPEED- 4 MICHELANGELO SKILL- 4 INTELLEGENCE- 1 STRENGTH- 3 SPEED- 3 Some side notes..... I assume by 'Skill' you are referring to UNARMED natural combat abilities (ie. Taijutsu) as combat prowess may or may not change depending on the weapon(s) they may be using. By 'Intelligence' I am assuming you are referring to conventional intelligence (as measured in IQ tests) and not things like 'street smarts' or 'intuitive/emotional intelligence'. By 'Strength' I am assuming you are referring to how much muscle they have and how much they can lift/carry.... and not the degree of power they have in their movements. By 'Speed' I am assuming you are referring to how fast they can run/sprint, and not how quick their responses are in combat. Again, this is based on the Mirage TMNT. I can't speak for the other versions. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

05-31-2003, 01:34 PM	#18
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	heretic, you tha man __________________

05-31-2003, 01:40 PM	#19
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	I think you can't really give a number on the skills of the TMNT. It all depends on the situation. Raph can beat less skilled foot soldiers easily, but got his ass whooped by Shredder elite. Leo is skilled in combat, but also in battle tactics. Michelangelo is skilled but not a tactician, at time Don seems almost like a pacifist who doesn't enjoy combat. Ultimately wich is most skilled in what comes from the writers hand when he writes the events, but thats how the characters usually work.