Raph influenced by Wolverine?

Shellfox · 08-06-2003, 10:06 AM

Again another thought, we know that the guys origin is tied somewhat to Dare Devil when originaly crafed, and I got me to wondering if any other marvel property might have influnced the creatuve prossece of the guys, and the more I looked the more Raph seemed to have wolverine influnces through out his person. I know most of what I am about to say is a stretch, and I may be way off, but it is something to think about (I've never heard anything to the contary so if thiskhas been stated in the past I've I've mearly fogten or never saw it I appoligise)

Both are regarded as hot heads and berzerkers to many extents.
Wolverine is best known for his 3 claws on each hand, some what similar in desighn to Raphs sais. Images of raph have even had him hold them between his fingers in a style reminesint of wolverine (from what I understand few people do this in real life)

Both are short by human standards.

Both have a tendancy to get the girl

Both have a tendancey to show compasion to younger people (wolvey- Jubilee and Kitty, Raph Yoshi [streactching it I know])

I know there are more but thats all I can come up with off the top of my had at the momnets but there is at least one point of counter influnce

Arond the time of the Onslaught saga, when wolverine was feral, his then trade mark mask was replaced with a mask very similar to the one Next Mutation Leo wore. The mask it self seemed to shift from primary blue, to the ocasiosnnal red version. And while I can't pull the dates of these events from my head as I write this, its possible this was a sighn of tribute to Raph.

Again I dought any of this is meaning full, possibly just coensidence, and an over active imagination, but it does make you wonder if raph hasn't been, perhaps unconciously, influenced by wolverine over the years

*Jephael* · 08-06-2003, 10:30 AM

I hadn't thought much of it, but I can see some obvious similarities. From what I understand, some aspects of Raph were also influenced by other great Marvel characters such as Spider-Man.

**Karpo_007** · 08-06-2003, 01:32 PM

Well there are some similarities, Wolverine could have had an influence when they were planning the characters.

*cqb101* · 08-06-2003, 02:13 PM

I bet it could be true.

Shellfox · 08-07-2003, 07:36 PM

I just remembered a few more, again rember these are stretches

Both are generaly loners

Both have been difficult to train by there pirmary leaders stand points (splinter/Xaviar)

Both are martial artists (big duh I know)

Both seem to be drawn to motor cycles more than most other types of personal transport

Both harrase and care for their team leaders (leo/cyclops), both who would come to be well known in blue

Albrecht · 08-08-2003, 04:17 PM

ya and the weapons are similar to, its kinda like wolverine has some built in sais.

*cqb101* · 08-08-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garet_Fire_Adept

ya and the weapons are similar to, its kinda like wolverine has some built in sais.

That's already been mentioned.

*damnhooligan* · 08-09-2003, 05:17 AM

It strikes me as less of a coincidence, and more like they were sticking to a sort of stereotype. The bad boy, the dark one, the rebel.

Though that whole claws/sais thing has me thinkin'.

Albrecht · 08-09-2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cqb101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garet_Fire_Adept

ya and the weapons are similar to, its kinda like wolverine has some built in sais.

That's already been mentioned.

oops, sorry

tormentedvagrant · 08-10-2003, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damnhooligan

It strikes me as less of a coincidence, and more like they were sticking to a sort of stereotype. The bad boy, the dark one, the rebel.

Though that whole claws/sais thing has me thinkin'.

I basicaly aggree with you, i mean its a personality type, you could also compare cyclops to leo, being the leader, a bit of a hard ass, worshiping the advice of their leader, sticking to the rules or code, shooting laser beams out of their eyes..... wait no not the last one.

Albrecht · 08-10-2003, 08:04 AM

and don is kinda like beast, minus the Arnold muscles.

tormentedvagrant · 08-10-2003, 08:18 AM

and mikey is like nightcrawler, the jokeister, and dont forget the three fingers!!!

impetus · 08-10-2003, 01:18 PM

Shellfox

I basically agree that the two are similar, but as you said, most of those are stretches. (FYI: don't take offense to anything I am about to say, just my own observations, LOL)

Especially anything relating outside the Mirage TMNT, since creators E&L did not have a personal, active (creative) role in all that stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellfox

Arond the time of the Onslaught saga, when wolverine was feral, his then trade mark mask was replaced with a mask very similar to the one Next Mutation Leo wore. The mask it self seemed to shift from primary blue, to the ocasiosnnal red version. And while I can't pull the dates of these events from my head as I write this, its possible this was a sighn of tribute to Raph.

Come on, that's really reaching for something that's just not there.

Overall, I agree, and have actually thought about it before. The personality and weapons are the two main points, I'd more or less stop there.

Oh yeah, and when did Raph ever "get the girl" ?

*Jephael* · 08-10-2003, 01:56 PM

He went out with that fox creature Ninjara in the Archie series.

Shellfox · 08-10-2003, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by impetus

Oh yeah, and when did Raph ever "get the girl" ?

Ninjara (as stated) and Mona Lisa, and i've heard arguments for Shredders daughter and Venus (though they aren't always very good)

*Jephael* · 08-10-2003, 04:59 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot about those 2. So I guess that covers each universe except for the movies.

*Dane E5R* · 08-10-2003, 05:28 PM

I can't remember where I read it, but in an interview with Judith Hoag she said that her character "fell in love with Raphael in a sense." I know that's not much, but he was definitely her favorite in the movie.

tormentedvagrant · 08-11-2003, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

I can't remember where I read it, but in an interview with Judith Hoag she said that her character "fell in love with Raphael in a sense." I know that's not much, but he was definitely her favorite in the movie.

i feel the same way, he got a special thank you, he was blushing (or at least was teased about it.)

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 08-17-2003, 10:36 PM

Well Eastman and Laird do claim to have a Marvel influence so it IS possible.

But, I say Raph and Wolverine are just classic "Hothead" characters like Priss from Bubblegum Crisis or Gundam Wing's Wufei!

impetus · 08-18-2003, 02:25 PM

Raph's "berserker rage" was a parody of Wolverine, who in turn was modeled after Donald Duck.

08-06-2003, 10:06 AM	#1
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Raph influenced by Wolverine? Again another thought, we know that the guys origin is tied somewhat to Dare Devil when originaly crafed, and I got me to wondering if any other marvel property might have influnced the creatuve prossece of the guys, and the more I looked the more Raph seemed to have wolverine influnces through out his person. I know most of what I am about to say is a stretch, and I may be way off, but it is something to think about (I've never heard anything to the contary so if thiskhas been stated in the past I've I've mearly fogten or never saw it I appoligise) Both are regarded as hot heads and berzerkers to many extents. Wolverine is best known for his 3 claws on each hand, some what similar in desighn to Raphs sais. Images of raph have even had him hold them between his fingers in a style reminesint of wolverine (from what I understand few people do this in real life) Both are short by human standards. Both have a tendancy to get the girl Both have a tendancey to show compasion to younger people (wolvey- Jubilee and Kitty, Raph Yoshi [streactching it I know]) I know there are more but thats all I can come up with off the top of my had at the momnets but there is at least one point of counter influnce Arond the time of the Onslaught saga, when wolverine was feral, his then trade mark mask was replaced with a mask very similar to the one Next Mutation Leo wore. The mask it self seemed to shift from primary blue, to the ocasiosnnal red version. And while I can't pull the dates of these events from my head as I write this, its possible this was a sighn of tribute to Raph. Again I dought any of this is meaning full, possibly just coensidence, and an over active imagination, but it does make you wonder if raph hasn't been, perhaps unconciously, influenced by wolverine over the years __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

08-06-2003, 10:30 AM	#2
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	I hadn't thought much of it, but I can see some obvious similarities. From what I understand, some aspects of Raph were also influenced by other great Marvel characters such as Spider-Man. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

08-06-2003, 02:13 PM	#4
cqb101 Cinephile Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Salem, MA Posts: 8,489	I bet it could be true. __________________ Facebook

08-07-2003, 07:36 PM	#5
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I just remembered a few more, again rember these are stretches Both are generaly loners Both have been difficult to train by there pirmary leaders stand points (splinter/Xaviar) Both are martial artists (big duh I know) Both seem to be drawn to motor cycles more than most other types of personal transport Both harrase and care for their team leaders (leo/cyclops), both who would come to be well known in blue __________________ We're americans, We build Monster Trucks for fun! Imagin what we'll build when you piss us off!!- Christopher Titus

08-08-2003, 04:17 PM	#6
Albrecht Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,073	ya and the weapons are similar to, its kinda like wolverine has some built in sais. __________________

08-06-2003, 01:32 PM	#3
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well there are some similarities, Wolverine could have had an influence when they were planning the characters.

08-09-2003, 05:17 AM	#8
damnhooligan Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Dorksville, USA Posts: 1,745	It strikes me as less of a coincidence, and more like they were sticking to a sort of stereotype. The bad boy, the dark one, the rebel. Though that whole claws/sais thing has me thinkin'. __________________

08-10-2003, 08:04 AM	#11
Albrecht Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,073	and don is kinda like beast, minus the Arnold muscles. __________________

08-10-2003, 08:18 AM	#12
tormentedvagrant Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2003 Location: April's Apartment Posts: 462	and mikey is like nightcrawler, the jokeister, and dont forget the three fingers!!! __________________ "I like to eat things I can pick out their bones with my teeth, not pick my teeth with their bones."--Leatherhead(RPG)

08-10-2003, 01:56 PM	#14
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	He went out with that fox creature Ninjara in the Archie series. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

08-10-2003, 04:59 PM	#16
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,142	Oh yeah, I forgot about those 2. So I guess that covers each universe except for the movies. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

08-10-2003, 05:28 PM	#17
Dane E5R Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Topeka, Kansas Posts: 1,602	I can't remember where I read it, but in an interview with Judith Hoag she said that her character "fell in love with Raphael in a sense." I know that's not much, but he was definitely her favorite in the movie. __________________ http://www.luckyusshow.com

08-17-2003, 10:36 PM	#19
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	Well Eastman and Laird do claim to have a Marvel influence so it IS possible. But, I say Raph and Wolverine are just classic "Hothead" characters like Priss from Bubblegum Crisis or Gundam Wing's Wufei! __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

08-18-2003, 02:25 PM	#20
impetus Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 978	Raph's "berserker rage" was a parody of Wolverine, who in turn was modeled after Donald Duck. __________________