How would you have Jennika leave the party?

Monty Mole · 05-04-2023, 11:41 AM

Whether it be she get's killed off, or just get's de-mutated then leaves and never returns

How would you do it?

*Cowabung-Gal* · 05-04-2023, 11:49 AM

De-mutate and then drive off into the sunset, never to return

Or Thanosed away. Either way is fine

*IndigoErth* · 05-04-2023, 12:00 PM

Demutated along with the rest of Mutant Town's people who wish to go back to their normal lives. If she remains in touch as a human ally that's fine.

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 12:08 PM

De-mutated with her lesbian pig girlfriend Sheena back into normal humans again. The two lesbos can then drive off together into the sunset, wanting to take a break from the craziness of the Turtles lives. I don't think she needs to be killed off, as that would be kinda pointless.

Also with Venus now in IDW as well, I don't really see the need for two female Turtles. Venus will be part of a major arc going forward so Jennika feels redundant.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-04-2023, 12:11 PM

Seriously, just have her be like "I'm done, I'm leaving to have a life with my lesbian pig girlfriend." And the turtles are all like "Cool, cool. Well, see you later!" And then she's gone forever, having made like a sitcom character in season 6 out of 8.

Or she could just die in battle and then the writers forget to mention her, so no one really mourns her. But that's probably asking for too much.

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 12:15 PM

Remember when Karai almost killed Jennika as a human?

Man, this would have been better than what we got. Jennika as a human was also really boring too for that matter, even prior to her becoming a turtle.

*Andrew NDB* · 05-04-2023, 12:15 PM

Ideally, we'd want to bring things back to the isolationist "last of their kind" vibe (as impossible as that might seem in the modern IDW world). So we'd need a big heroic and tragic, heartstrings-pulling sacrifice, to where even the thought of a fifth Turtle years later would immediately evoke sadness and the memory of her sacrifice.

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 12:19 PM

I still can't get over that this is a page in an officially published TMNT comic:

If you told me 10 years ago we'd have a TMNT comic with a lesbian turtle kissing a lesbian pig mutant, it'd sound like something the furries on deviantart would come up with. Like published fanfiction.

*IndigoErth* · 05-04-2023, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Like published fanfiction.

Isn't that kinda what it was though? lol

edit: I mean... no offense to the writer and no judgment of the talent, but the "what I've wanted to see in it" angle is kind of apparent. Esp if it's via a full in your face fame like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Also with Venus now in IDW as well, I don't really see the need for two female Turtles. Venus will be part of a major arc going forward so Jennika feels redundant.

Ladies, are we redundant if more than one of us exists in a space?

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 01:21 PM

A female turtle in general is pretty much a shark jumping moment, and two or more is overboard.

*Cowabung-Gal* · 05-04-2023, 01:33 PM

Nothing wrong with having female allies in the TMNT franchise, as long as they actually contribute to the team instead of just being there for representation and are well-written characters. Alopex was the prime example of a good female ally that could be liked by both guys and gals. Jennika started out as a potentially good character, then she became a spotlight-stealing Mary Sue who enjoyed pork in more ways than one. No thanks, I don’t want that kind of representation. And Franken-Venus? Yikes. At least the original one was easy on the eyes (even though her bongos were a bit distracting).

I personally don’t care whether or not the turtles add a new member with ovaries to their group. I love the original mean green team. They don’t have to change, but for reason the new producers and creators think so.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-04-2023, 02:04 PM

Jennika being redundent is not specifically because she's a lady, but because the purpose she serves in the narrative was already held by other characters. Every quality she has is already embodied in another character. Besides Venus, Alopex basically filled the role that Jennika stole: a former foot clan member who gradually became a hero as she got more involved with the turtles.

Difference is, Jennika is boring as hell, and Alopex wasn't. I still hold that the most interesting thing to happen to Jennika in the entire comic was being turned into a turtle, and even that was something passively done that she didn't have a real hand in.

*neatoman* · 05-04-2023, 03:21 PM

Well, I wouldn't do it in the "Poochie" way if anyone thought that from the art I found for the April fools joke. It would be amusing but the way the Simpsons itself did it was just meant to be a parody of how unpopular characters can be removed abruptly, it's not really meant to be accurate to how anyone would write a character out because how bizarre it is.

Depending on what I would be allowed to do if I were to write her out, here are the ways I imagine in the order of what I would most want to do, but might not be allowed to, to likely to be allowed to but might not be that satisfying:

Have her and the rest of the mutant town citizens be cured, then just say they "moved away to find themselves" or some crap like that while also never ever acknowledging them again.
Just kill her off in such a way that nobody in-universe will ever really know what happened to her.
Have Karai send a message to her past self in order to make sure she decapitates Jennika instead of just stabbing her, then show that the rest of the story pretty much went on the same way because she was that pointless.
Disguise a pointless death as a "heroic sacrifice" ASAP, then give the mandatory but minimum lip service to how great she was, something like a one panel funeral followed stuff that has nothing to do with her and not really use her death as something meaningful to the story.
Literally have her move away to another planet while pretending she doesn't exist after that as much as possible.
Just completely drop her without explanation, basically just pretend she never existed and hope other writers just sort of forget about her.
Literally just reboot the series, new continuity in which Jennika never shows up to begin with. And even if she does, it'll just be a mean spirited cameo in which it looks like the blood transfusion thing is going to happen again but then she gets her head blown clean off with a shotgun or something, making it completely impossible to save her.

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 03:25 PM

What is also strange is Jennika being a lesbian also came out of nowhere:

1. In her backstory issues Jennika had a boyfriend (and he wound up becoming a mutant later as he appeared in her mini-series).

2. Jennika had a crush on Casey for awhile from issues 70-95 or so, and apparently they dated off-screen? It was all kind of rushed from what I remember so we never really saw Casey and Jennika as a couple in the comic but it was implied.

Zog The Magnificent · 05-04-2023, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What is also strange is Jennika being a lesbian also came out of nowhere:

1. In her backstory issues Jennika had a boyfriend (and he wound up becoming a mutant later as he appeared in her mini-series).

2. Jennika had a crush on Casey for awhile from issues 70-95 or so, and apparently they dated off-screen? It was all kind of rushed from what I remember so we never really saw Casey and Jennika as a couple in the comic but it was implied.

Why make new characters to fill those diversity quotas when you can just hijack and retcon existing ones?

Plus, they needed to act quick so they could get that lesbian kiss in the comic in time for pride month. That issue was a June issue, afterall.

*Metalwolf* · 05-04-2023, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zog The Magnificent

Why make new characters to fill those diversity quotas when you can just hijack and retcon existing ones?

Plus, they needed to act quick so they could get that lesbian kiss in the comic in time for pride month. That issue was a June issue, afterall.

They call this 'gay-washing.' It's done for maximum virtue signalling so they can show off to others how 'open' and 'accepting' they are, even as these redone characters tend to end up as some of the most insufferable and poorly written characters. It's a trope at this point, it's to show off and grandstand.

*IndigoErth* · 05-04-2023, 06:49 PM

Welcome to Gen Z being the new generation to appeal to... There is a lot of BS that appears to be very "trendy" with them. Society needed to stop being a jerk and let go of harmful stigmas, and instead these kids ran with it and turned various things into a trendy fad for likes and attention and demand things conform to their tastes. What I've seen of them online when it comes to Rise makes me grateful the show ended early.

Things like Jennika and her girlfriend... I'm fine with inclusiveness and letting things happen in a way that is organic and normal in the background of the real story in progress. I'm not fine with making it into a spectacle and pushing it to the forefront.

*CyberCubed* · 05-04-2023, 07:08 PM

They should of made Angel a lesbian instead, at least she is hot.

*Shark_Blade* · 05-04-2023, 09:21 PM

Never mention her existence, everyone just forgets her and carry on with the plot.

Dragon Ball Z author totally forgot about Launch so she was missing til the end, so something like that.

*Metalwolf* · 05-05-2023, 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Welcome to Gen Z being the new generation to appeal to... There is a lot of BS that appears to be very "trendy" with them. Society needed to stop being a jerk and let go of harmful stigmas, and instead these kids ran with it and turned various things into a trendy fad for likes and attention and demand things conform to their tastes. What I've seen of them online when it comes to Rise makes me grateful the show ended early.

Things like Jennika and her girlfriend... I'm fine with inclusiveness and letting things happen in a way that is organic and normal in the background of the real story in progress. I'm not fine with making it into a spectacle and pushing it to the forefront.

I think what it is really is, is that years ago when there was gay characters, there was never the huge compulsion to shout about them from the proverbial rooftops and make a big deal about them. They were just another character.

One way this contrasted to me in big ways was when the It Chapter 2 movie came out a few years ago. The gay couple in the beginning was written in the 80s. They were human, sympathetic, people that were kind and gave a little girl a toy she wanted at the fair. The character of Ritchie (one of the Losers) who was straight in the book and original movies was rewritten to be closeted gay for the modern movie. It was like night and day. The original gay people had been written as regular people who happened to be gay. Ritchie was written specifically to be gay first, and have the story emphasize to the audience he was gay. When they do this they try to make the kissing and girlfriend/boyfriend stuff front and center, whereas older stuff it was just regular people, just like in real life. Straight characters might casually mention they had a gay friend, and that was that. No parades, not flags, no big deal.

05-04-2023, 11:49 AM	#2
Cowabung-Gal The Party Dudette Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: U-S-A!! Posts: 2,606	De-mutate and then drive off into the sunset, never to return Or Thanosed away. Either way is fine __________________ Cowabunga

05-04-2023, 12:15 PM	#7
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,249	Ideally, we'd want to bring things back to the isolationist "last of their kind" vibe (as impossible as that might seem in the modern IDW world). So we'd need a big heroic and tragic, heartstrings-pulling sacrifice, to where even the thought of a fifth Turtle years later would immediately evoke sadness and the memory of her sacrifice. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

05-04-2023, 01:33 PM	#11
Cowabung-Gal The Party Dudette Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: U-S-A!! Posts: 2,606	Nothing wrong with having female allies in the TMNT franchise, as long as they actually contribute to the team instead of just being there for representation and are well-written characters. Alopex was the prime example of a good female ally that could be liked by both guys and gals. Jennika started out as a potentially good character, then she became a spotlight-stealing Mary Sue who enjoyed pork in more ways than one. No thanks, I don’t want that kind of representation. And Franken-Venus? Yikes. At least the original one was easy on the eyes (even though her bongos were a bit distracting). I personally don’t care whether or not the turtles add a new member with ovaries to their group. I love the original mean green team. They don’t have to change, but for reason the new producers and creators think so. __________________ Cowabunga

05-04-2023, 12:00 PM	#3
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,286	Demutated along with the rest of Mutant Town's people who wish to go back to their normal lives. If she remains in touch as a human ally that's fine.

05-04-2023, 12:08 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	De-mutated with her lesbian pig girlfriend Sheena back into normal humans again. The two lesbos can then drive off together into the sunset, wanting to take a break from the craziness of the Turtles lives. I don't think she needs to be killed off, as that would be kinda pointless. Also with Venus now in IDW as well, I don't really see the need for two female Turtles. Venus will be part of a major arc going forward so Jennika feels redundant.

05-04-2023, 12:11 PM	#5
Zog The Magnificent Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 823	Seriously, just have her be like "I'm done, I'm leaving to have a life with my lesbian pig girlfriend." And the turtles are all like "Cool, cool. Well, see you later!" And then she's gone forever, having made like a sitcom character in season 6 out of 8. Or she could just die in battle and then the writers forget to mention her, so no one really mourns her. But that's probably asking for too much.

05-04-2023, 12:19 PM	#8
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	I still can't get over that this is a page in an officially published TMNT comic: If you told me 10 years ago we'd have a TMNT comic with a lesbian turtle kissing a lesbian pig mutant, it'd sound like something the furries on deviantart would come up with. Like published fanfiction.

05-04-2023, 01:21 PM	#10
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	A female turtle in general is pretty much a shark jumping moment, and two or more is overboard.

05-04-2023, 02:04 PM	#12
Zog The Magnificent Stone Warrior Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 823	Jennika being redundent is not specifically because she's a lady, but because the purpose she serves in the narrative was already held by other characters. Every quality she has is already embodied in another character. Besides Venus, Alopex basically filled the role that Jennika stole: a former foot clan member who gradually became a hero as she got more involved with the turtles. Difference is, Jennika is boring as hell, and Alopex wasn't. I still hold that the most interesting thing to happen to Jennika in the entire comic was being turned into a turtle, and even that was something passively done that she didn't have a real hand in.

05-04-2023, 03:25 PM	#14
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	What is also strange is Jennika being a lesbian also came out of nowhere: 1. In her backstory issues Jennika had a boyfriend (and he wound up becoming a mutant later as he appeared in her mini-series). 2. Jennika had a crush on Casey for awhile from issues 70-95 or so, and apparently they dated off-screen? It was all kind of rushed from what I remember so we never really saw Casey and Jennika as a couple in the comic but it was implied.

05-04-2023, 06:49 PM	#17
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,286	Welcome to Gen Z being the new generation to appeal to... There is a lot of BS that appears to be very "trendy" with them. Society needed to stop being a jerk and let go of harmful stigmas, and instead these kids ran with it and turned various things into a trendy fad for likes and attention and demand things conform to their tastes. What I've seen of them online when it comes to Rise makes me grateful the show ended early. Things like Jennika and her girlfriend... I'm fine with inclusiveness and letting things happen in a way that is organic and normal in the background of the real story in progress. I'm not fine with making it into a spectacle and pushing it to the forefront.

05-04-2023, 07:08 PM	#18
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,699	They should of made Angel a lesbian instead, at least she is hot.

05-04-2023, 09:21 PM	#19
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Never mention her existence, everyone just forgets her and carry on with the plot. Dragon Ball Z author totally forgot about Launch so she was missing til the end, so something like that.