TMNT at the box office

[Andrew NDB]

The movie was by no means breaking any box office record or anything

and that's all they were really looking for.

Nonsense. They said they wanted 100 million domestically and it performed at half-mast. Even worldwide, it's performed even under what they wanted domestically.

Did fine for a one shot affair, but a sequel would be a losing gambit by any financier's eyes. Unless DVD sales go out and reinvent the wheel.

[xmen510]

It may not have done as well as they had hoped, but compared to a lot of other movies that have not recouped their losses in theatre, it has almost Tripled the cost which, I believe, is about $15 million in profit for the studio. I believe it is around a 50/50 split with the Theatres and Studios. It might be up to 60/40 but I doubt it is that high.

DVD Sales actually are intregal to wheather or not many movies actually get a sequel or not. Many movies to great in theatre but have extremely lacking DVD sales so Studios will not invest in a sequel. Also many times, a movie has not recouped all of the money back in theatre but has done well enough on DVD to warrant a sequel to be made (the new Superman movie being one of them).

Also, as I usually do when I post in this thread, Another update.:D

Current total: $92,965,490.

[ToTheNines]

Dudes, this is getting real old. Almost every single day someone has to argue about whether they think a sequel is at hand or not, aren't you starting to get tired of this?

[xmen510]

All right ToTheNines. You win. I won't argue any more about sequals in this thread.:D Some people are just sooo pessimistic. Oh well.

Also, I think that I must point out that I am neither a "Fop" nor a "Brainless Dandy". I am also not an Easterner who vacations on a ranch!:P

Now that I have been quite Literal about my objection to being called a "Dude", I must in all actuallity confess that I really don't mind.:D

Have a great day everybody.:D

[gobo]

Um... What? O_o

[xmen510]

I gave the proper dictionary deffinition of the word "Dude". It was all in fun of course.:D

[Revan]

Ha nines does say dude a lot. :lol:
Anyway just ignore the posts that may offend you or are boring to you. People read threads at diff times.

[mattmanw54301]

I know the Weinsteins are gonna want to go for it. TMNT was like their only hit so far in 2007, other than 300. With all the money they spent advertising for Grindhouse, that STILL flopped. So TMNT is the closest thing they have to a blockbuster that they can make a sequel of. Frank Miller wouldn't let them do a sequel to 300, I don't think, so unless the Weinsteins don't like making money, odds are pretty good that anotherTMNT is gonna happen.

[ToTheNines]

Ha nines does say dude a lot. :lol:


Hey, Michelangelo's a bad influence on me dude!:P

[xmen510]

Well I still hope there is more to come from the Box Office receipts. A bit of bad news to report though. BoxOfficeMojo has lowered the total based on their estimates being a little too high for Foreign Box Office Receipts. The Total now stands at $92,963,332. Hopefully more to come.

[xmen510]

More has come:D . The total has now reached: $92,988,595.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Very nice!

[Andrew NDB]

Stick a fork in it, it's done.

[ToTheNines]

Stick a fork in it, it's done.

Dude, shut it up, please. If he wants to post updates of how much a Ninja Turtle (the focal point of this message board) movie is making, just let him do it in peace.

[xmen510]

Tiny Update: $92,994,027.:D

[xmen510]

This will probably be the final update since the movie is now on DVD, but who knows.

The Total Box Office take is now at: $93,001,086.

Unless is gets revised down or up, I don't see too many more updates. It is all up to the DVD's now. It was nice to see it break the $93M mark though.:D

[ToTheNines]

93 mil, not bad. Thanks for the update.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Not bad at all.

Thanks for the numbers.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

The Little Engine that Could... Thanks for updating this-- in fact, thanks for starting this thread!

[Hellboy]

Xmen510, would you happen to know a website that has numbers like that for dvd sales?

I know this disc is going to do well, but it would be nice to see how well it does and be able to compare the ammount to how much it made at the box office.

Ow yeah, this is one of my first posts here so: Hi everyone! :twink:

[xmen510]

I wish I did know of DVD sales figures sites. i was thinking of starting a thread to ask for this myself. The only site I know that occasionaly gives a little info on this topic is again boxofficemojo. Hopefully someone here might know of a site that tracks this kind of information so we can keep up with the DVD end of the spectrum.

[ToTheNines]

Boxofficemojo normally has somthing like a week or two after the release.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

This place as well, but we won't know anything until next week I think.

[xmen510]

Thanks for the info Splinter's Iroonna. I will definately keep an eye on that chart.

Also, apparently I was wrong (imagine that). A new update.

Current Total: $93,025,621.

[Leonardo Leads]

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

This place as well, but we won't know anything until next week I think.
I believe it should Update by Sunday, or Monday like the movie box office

Thanks for the info Splinter's Iroonna. I will definately keep an eye on that chart.

Also, apparently I was wrong (imagine that). A new update.

Current Total: $93,025,621.

Great news, even if it's a little, every bit counts :thumbsup:

[xmen510]

A very tiny update for those who wish to know.

Total: $93,013,861.:D

Edited to show that is was revised down a bit. Edited thrice now. First time down, second & third up.

[ToTheNines]

Hey man, a thousand dollars is a lot of money. :P

[xmen510]

I've modified my last post a few times, just to let you guys know. Also today is the day that TMNT opens in it's final foreign market. It Opened in Spain this morning. Hopefully there are a lot of Turtles fans in Spain.:D

[Hellboy]

IMDb lists that the film has yet to released in Spain, Hungary and Poland. Maybe these countries can bring the total up to 95 mil.

[xmen510]

Hungary and Poland are not even on the list at BoxOfficeMojo. I personally trust their information one heck of a lot more than IMDb. IMDb's info is quite often inaccurate at best and complete bull**** at worst. Just about anybody can post there. It just can't be trusted in my opinion. Perhaps it will open in Hungary and Poland though. One can hope after all. I've just been let down a million times too many by that site. I don't even go there for information any more at all. Maybe there right though. We'll see. Whether it opens elsewhere beyond Spain or not though, let's just hope the Money keeps rolling in"!.:D

[xmen510]

Total now at $93,229,516. Spain brought in over $200k.:D

Figure I'd just edit another update for you all.

New Total: $93,297,849 Box Office.

New Total: $14,728,609 DVD Sales.

New New Edited Total as of August 30th. $93,484,689.

[xmen510]

New updates:

Box Office Total: $93,485,149.
DVD Sales Total: $16,548,637.

Edit: Put up a new post instead of editing the last again. Sorry.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Yay for the update!

I was just checking the dvd sales figs a few minutes ago.

[Whitewolf89]

New updates:

Box Office Total: $93,485,149.
DVD Sales Total: $16,548,637.

Edit: Put up a new post instead of editing the last again. Sorry.

Yay! Good news, indeed!

And according to MY figures, these two (current) totals altogether equal:

The GRAND total of

$110,033,786!

And I'm sure that the DVD sales AREN'T over yet. Which means (at the risk of stating the painfully obvious here) that there MAY be a BIGGER grand total later on before it's all over.

And this may be a bit OT, but what about cable and satelitte Pay-Per-View revenues? Does Warners and Co. get the proceeds off of those? I know that I spent about $20.00 (which was SUPPOSEDLY just supposed to be $3.99 for an all day run of the movie on DishNetwork Pay-per-view) on THAT myself last month! So I hope that THAT goes in on the total revenues for the movie.

[Warhorse]

Yay! Good news, indeed!

And according to MY figures, these two (current) totals altogether equal:

The GRAND total of

$110,033,786!

And I'm sure that the DVD sales AREN'T over yet. Which means (at the risk of stating the painfully obvious here) that there MAY be a BIGGER grand total later on before it's all over.

And this may be a bit OT, but what about cable and satelitte Pay-Per-View revenues? Does Warners and Co. get the proceeds off of those? I know that I spent about $20.00 (which was SUPPOSEDLY just supposed to be $3.99 for an all day run of the movie on DishNetwork Pay-per-view) on THAT myself last month! So I hope that THAT goes in on the total revenues for the movie.

Not to mention how much revenue they are raking in from toys, books, t-shirts, back packs, pencil holders and all that other memobilia with the TMNT plastered on them.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

I've wondered about PPV! The movie was available the exact same day as the DVD-- new service by (guess who???) Time-WARNER cable!

[Whitewolf89]

Not to mention how much revenue they are raking in from toys, books, t-shirts, back packs, pencil holders and all that other memobilia with the TMNT plastered on them.

Heh, true dat.;)

[xmen510]

New Update for the fans:

Box Office: $93,519,570
DVD Sales: $17,784,400

Total: $111,303,970

+ Merchandise & Licencing

:D

[Whitewolf89]

New Update for the fans:

Box Office: $93,519,570
DVD Sales: $17,784,400

Total: $111,303,970

+ Merchandise & Licencing

:D

Hmmm, not too shabby, this.

Heh, seeing this new total, the folks at WB would be totally NUTS to NOT give a sequel in a couple of years (or so) from now, no?;)

[Andrew NDB]

Hmmm, not too shabby, this.

Heh, seeing this new total, the folks at WB would be totally NUTS to NOT give a sequel in a couple of years (or so) from now, no?;)

True. Because it's entirely free to print, package, and distribute the DVDs to stores. And because the marketing/television spots/distribution of the film and DVD is free as well.

They'd be foolish to not go back and make a sequel to a film with only modest returns when they can devote the same resources to original films -- with rights that they own -- that stand to earn 100% profit, particularly in a motion picture business where a sequel is expected to earn only half of its predecessor's gross.

They must be crazy not to greenlight TMNT 5.

[Spitfire]

True. Because it's entirely free to print, package, and distribute the DVDs to stores. And because the marketing/television spots/distribution of the film and DVD is free as well.

They'd be foolish to not go back and make a sequel to a film with only modest returns when they can devote the same resources to original films -- with rights that they own -- that stand to earn 100% profit, particularly in a motion picture business where a sequel is expected to earn only half of its predecessor's gross.

They must be crazy not to greenlight TMNT 5.

Well if you knew anything about the film industry you'd know people would rather go see a sequel then a originial movie so yeah they would be stupid not to green light another movie. The money these toys are raking in is enough to cover any of that I'm sure. I don't know about your area but they always sold out quick by me, and they get shipments often from what I can tell.

Just because you have a personal vendetta against anything non-Mirage related doesn't mean they shouldn't make another movie. There's still the other 95% of TMNT fans who enjoyed this movie and from what we've seen from websites and such alot of other people enjoyed it as well*Wasn't TMNT voted one of the best comic adapt films on one site?*

You don't want a sequel because you didn't like this one, you don't take into consideration a sequel could be better and the way I view it your being rather selfish. You act as if a sequel hurts you in some way. When in reality no one twisted your arm to see this new movie and no one will do so when another comes out. Not wanting a sequel that will make the rest of the TMNT population happy is, like I said, rather selfish.

[Avatar Yuffie]

Ugh, this again?

I swear, Andrew, you keep repeating yourself like a broken record, in every thread you're in.

Yes, you're entitled to, but must I read this "Imagi won't make another TMNT movie because the new one tanks in everything" again for the nth time?

...I need my mallet. To hit myself with.

[xmen510]

I know this is very difficult guys but we really should try to ignore his crap. Not taking my own advice here but, you did know that it only costs about $1.50 - $3.00 to print, package and record a movie on DVD right? It is extremely cheep. About 80-90 percent of a DVD's cost is profit. That is why sequels can be made when the movie itself does not perform to expectations in theatre. Not performing is not an issue here though since it's profit in theatre was more than equal to cost. They made more than 30 million in profit from theatre alone. Please stop whining and ranting and either give logical and concise arguments or shut up.

[Andrew NDB]

No, you guys are absolutely correct. It's foolish of me to think that all of the DVD sales are not pure profit. What I also didn't realize (which isn't surprising, since as you know I don't know anything about the film industry) is that stores that sell DVDs actually work as a charity for the movie production studios -- see, I had no idea Fred Meyer/Wal-Mart/Fry's/etc. give all of their sales from the DVDs on their shelves to Warner Bros..

Awful nice of them, isn't it? It's just crazy if no one greenlights TMNT #5 with factoids like this one. Damn it, I want to see more monsters and ghosts and stuff.

[Spitfire]

No, you guys are absolutely correct. It's foolish of me to think that all of the DVD sales are not pure profit. What I also didn't realize (which isn't surprising, since as you know I don't know anything about the film industry) is that stores that sell DVDs actually work as a charity for the movie production studios -- see, I had no idea Fred Meyer/Wal-Mart/Fry's/etc. give all of their sales from the DVDs on their shelves to Warner Bros..

Awful nice of them, isn't it? It's just crazy if no one greenlights TMNT #5 with factoids like this one. Damn it, I want to see more monsters and ghosts and stuff.

Stores buy the DVDs for 15 dollars a piece and mark the price up to 20. Even if the DVD doesn't sell well the fact that the store bought them already makes no difference. The company doesn't get money when a retailer sells a copy of the movie they get money when the retailer BUYS the movie to sell in their store. No matter what they profit.

I don't know how much you know but alot of things in stores make no profit for the store itself IE Ipods, game consoles, and most DVDs. Their just there so they can be used as a selling point for accessories that are marked way up. 360 controllers are only worth about 10 bucks and their marked up to 30. DVD players are totally inflated and HDTVs as well.

[xmen510]

Quite correct Spitfire. THe stores themselves do not actually make a huge profit off of DVD's. Yes, they do make one, but only about 25% of the DVD price is for them, if that.

Also, a reminder to those keeping an eye on this thread. The DVD figures are for US SALES ONLY. It does not count the sales (and thus profits made) from foreign markets. With this information, we know that TMNT had made even more money than what we have been posting and discussing here.

[Dragon Turtle]

:lol:

They'd be foolish to not go back and make a sequel to a film with only modest returns when they can devote the same resources to original films -- with rights that they own -- that stand to earn 100% profit, particularly in a motion picture business where a sequel is expected to earn only half of its predecessor's gross.




A movie that the WB owns total rights to, is completely undermarketed, has a budget under 40 million, yet still makes over a 100 million in boxoffice and dvd sales, it sounds like you're describing one of the mythological monsters from the TMNT movie.:lol:

[xmen510]

Hey everybody. i've got an anthill update for you all.

Box Office: $93,520,420.

Enjoy:D

[Sewer Bull]

Hungary and Poland are not even on the list at BoxOfficeMojo. I personally trust their information one heck of a lot more than IMDb. IMDb's info is quite often inaccurate at best and complete bull**** at worst. Just about anybody can post there. It just can't be trusted in my opinion. Perhaps it will open in Hungary and Poland though. One can hope after all. I've just been let down a million times too many by that site. I don't even go there for information any more at all. Maybe there right though. We'll see. Whether it opens elsewhere beyond Spain or not though, let's just hope the Money keeps rolling in"!.:D

TMNT opens in Poland on 9/28, I can assure you - and it's been confirmed long time ago, posters are already everywhere. Many of my friends (most of them not being TMNT fans) are hyped and looking forward to this flick.

I don't know anything about Hungary, tho'.

[Andrew NDB]

Poland and Hungary seem certain to guarantee TMNT #5.

[Spitfire]

Poland and Hungary seem certain to guarantee TMNT #5.

I love how you blatantly ignore things that prove you wrong, very good tactic.

You talk about subjects you have no knowledge on, get schooled, and still have the gutso to come back in the topic and post more of your anit-TMNT propaganda. You might as well join congress, you seem to think on their level.

[xmen510]

Very glad that TMNT is opening in a few more markets. More money = :D

[xmen510]

New updates:

Box Office: $93,912,777
DVD Sales: $20,405,137

Grand Total: $114,317,914

:D

Edit: Updated both as of October 4th.

[xmen510]

boxofficemojo just updated TMNT again today so I figured it was worth a bump.

Box Office Total: $94,249,208
DVD Sales Total: $20,897,095

Total Sales: $115,146,303.

:D

[Spitfire]

The train sure has slowed. Almost a month and it hasn't even capped off 20 mil. I was hoping for better but it's all profit now so as long as there's a sequel I don't care.

[xmen510]

I was just continuously updating my previous post before. I decided to bump the thread with a new one. That is why it does not look like all that much of a jump. I last updated that post on Oct. 4th I believe. I updated it about once a week, but with no comments I figured people weren't really noticing the changes, thus the bump.

Edit:

Thank the following countries for the updated Box Office Total:

Bulgaria
Poland
Spain
South Africa (Entire Region)

Those are the only regions with updated totals as of October 7th. They alone brought in around 250K. South Africa only opened it's theatres doors on October 5th for the first time and brought in just under 85K alone. Pretty good to me.

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.amfor.net/Malpractice/flatline.jpg

[SLASH!!!]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/cyborgrex/broken20record.jpg

[xmen510]

boxofficemojo updated again today:

Box Office Total: $94,250,763.

P.S.: If you don't have anything nice to say or show, don't say or show anything.

[ToTheNines]

boxofficemojo updated again today:

Box Office Total: $94,250,763.

P.S.: If you don't have anything nice to say or show, don't say or show anything.

http://disney-clipart.com/bambi/jpg/Thumper-1.jpg


Follow the Thumper Rule! :P

[Rooish]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/cyborgrex/broken20record.jpg

Totally pwned

[xmen510]

Thumper was nice. See how easy it is people.:D

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Yes, Thumper was nice... but I have a twisted fondness for the piccie Slash posted.

[Courk]

That was great. :-)

Flat line.
Broken record.
"Be nice."
THUMPER!
:lol:

Perhaps I'm finding that too amusing.

[xmen510]

New Box Office Update: Edit Update for October 24.

$94,541,381.

DVD sales have fallen below the top 30 mark, so I can't find any new info on that.

[xmen510]

Figured I'd give another bump for the updates.

New Box Office Grand Total:

$94,596,251.

Let's hope it keeps coming in. That is a $55K increase from last week alone in tiny markets.

:D

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Yay! More money! :D:D

[xmen510]

Wheeee! Boxofficemojo just updated the earning for TMNT again today.

The Total now stands at:

$94,599,515.

:D

New update, new post!

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Wait a minute...so TMNT was a flop? I thought for sure hearing it was number one at the box office at one point, and it seems to be bringing in a decent amount of money. I think a sequel would make sense, especially if they were planning on bringing back Shredder, something that people nostalgic for the turtles would love. Animated movies are really popular in the first place.

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Mr. Murphy said that Imagi is ready and willing, but they want a better distribution deal with WB this time around. They're meeting with Mirage again in a month to report on the progress.

I would think with WB and Weinsteins handling "Gatchaman" and "Astroboy", something will be worked out. I just wish that Kevin Munroe can be involved.

[ToTheNines]

I ****ing hate asstroboy so bad, I wish they would drop that ****.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Isn't Astro Boy considered one of the first animes?

Isn't Gatchaman the same thing as Battle of the Planets? I always thought the name was kind of funny, because before you see it written down you kind of assume that it's "Gotcha Man" or something.

Or maybe they can make a movie called "Gotch Man":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gotch

[Splinter's Iroonna]

I told K. M. that "Gatchaman" sounded like a 70s "blacksploitation" film--

:lol:


Anyway, I used to like "Astroboy" when I was VERY young (back in the 60s).

[Dragon Turtle]

Isn't Astro Boy considered one of the first animes?



Yes, it is credited as the origin of the anime look.



Isn't Gatchaman the same thing as Battle of the Planets? I always thought the name was kind of funny, because before you see it written down you kind of assume that it's "Gotcha Man" or something.

Or maybe they can make a movie called "Gotch Man":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gotch

The full name is actually "Science Ninja Team Gatchaman":) and has been translated several times, first as "Battle of the Planets", then "G-Force", and recently as "Eagle Riders".

[xmen510]

Getting back on topic here.:D

New update:

Total: $94,636,874.

:D

[Hellboy]

TMNT is like "the little engine that could" slowly making it's way to 100 mil. :D

[xmen510]

Another one for you.

$94,640,849.

Slowly going forward. And up, up and away!

:D

Updated: November 13th.

[xmen510]

Bump for update for those interested.

$94,642,329.

:D

[Splinter's Iroonna]

Still making money-- so cool!

Does anyone know what they make when it's available on VOD? Like do they get a few cents per showing?

[Spitfire]

That's all in DVD sales alone? Not bad. I see the DVD all over so I assume kids like it.

[ToTheNines]

That's all in DVD sales alone? Not bad. I see the DVD all over so I assume kids like it.

Nah, this is movies. Foriegn countries are still showing it.

[xmen510]

New update:

$94,643,244 Box Office only.

:D

[Kendamu]

I told K. M. that "Gatchaman" sounded like a 70s "blacksploitation" film--

:lol:


Anyway, I used to like "Astroboy" when I was VERY young (back in the 60s).
'Gatchaman' comes from the metallic "ga-chan!" sound of two giant robots clashing.

No joke.

[xmen510]

This will probably be the final update:

Latest Box Office Report:

$95,000,862.

:D

Happy Holidays everyone!:D

[xmen510]

For those who are interested.

Latest information I could find. Just thought I'd let people know.

Box Office: $94,999,681 (Revised Total as off last report given by studio. Not necessarily final Box Office Total).

DVD Sales: $31,061,738 (Final DVD total found as of September 30, 2007. Obviously not the final total either).

Total: $126,061,419 (Not actual current total. Just last reports calculated that were found).

The DVD info is obviously 5 months off, so we can safely assume that Total take thus far is over 130 Million Dollars. This is good. It means that the movie was profitable in Theatre and even DVD sales alone could probably finance another movie. Profit wise, there really is no reason why a sequal could not happen. Hopefully by April we will have our answer and another movie will be made. My hope is for a live action one, done in the same style and tone of the 1st movie, but that is just my hopes.