SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Deathknight]

Well it's pretty obvious that he's going to use the cartwheel somehow.

[Cure]

Well it's pretty obvious that he's going to use the cartwheel somehow.

But see, Donkey Kong doesn't use his...roll thing...so I'm not sure about that.

[Peanut]

But see, Donkey Kong doesn't use his...roll thing...so I'm not sure about that.

DK's roll isn't as synonymous with the character as Diddy's cart-wheel. I'm sure he'll use it.

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa, guys, check out the latest update! Who would have thought META KNIGHT was in this game?!

[Cure]

At least they finally got him out of the way.

[Mecha Cow]

I also heard a rumor that Solid Snake was going to be in this game!

[Peanut]

I also heard a rumor that Solid Snake was going to be in this game!

Man, don't be talking sh*t. You know that could never happen!

[Mecha Cow]

I swear, I read it on the internets!

[ThirdMarioBro]

"Nintendo does not comment on rumors and speculation."

[ThirdMarioBro]

Pokemon Stadium looks boring as ever, but FLUDD is going to be awesome for annoying the crap out of people by spraying them and running away. FLUDD FTW.

[Ra]

The only thing I really like about Pokemon Stadium is the Flight stage. I like flying around and jumping, although I seem to jump over edges more often than usual. FLUDD seems to be the only other thing that has grabbed my attention.

[Deathknight]

I'm wondering what button exactly is going to be the spin. Why do they put it as a question "is it a normal attack?" They're friggen producing the game, shouldn't they tell us?

[Cure]

FLUDD looks like it's gonna be hella fun. Yeah, I said hella.

[Peanut]

YAY! They're actually updating old characters with newer moves that relate to their more recent games. You know what else this means? Luigi's Poltergust CONFIRMED!

[Cure]

YAY! They're actually updating old characters with newer moves that relate to their more recent games. You know what else this means? Luigi's Poltergust CONFIRMED!

I hope so, man. I utterly and honestly do. I was gonna say something about Link not being updated, but in a way he is with the different effect (or is it affect?) of the boomerang.

[Brodie]

I hope this one doesn't suck.

[Deathknight]

Link was updated. He has the Gale Boomerang and the claw shot. There really isn't much else they could've changed except maybe making Wolf Link a transformation. Though I do hope they give Link a defense upgrade in Brawl. In Melee I love the way he plays but he has every possible defensive weakness (this comes from a competitive sense.)

[ThirdMarioBro]

GIGATON!!

Ladies and gentlemen, I present the greatest update since the site went up.

A history of game music in one game (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)

Yes, this update is so stellar that I included a link for you lazy bastards. This is more than I could have ever asked for. If you are a fan of video game music, you just soiled yourself when you clicked that link. Can you imagine how many timeless themes are going to be included in this game? Good Lord. Fu*k the assist trophies, fu*k the stickers, and fu*k whatever else they reveal in the near future. I KNOW what I'll be collecting.


Greatest. Goddamn. Game. Ever.

[Mecha Cow]

You really love your VG music, don't you? I usually turn the music off and play a CD, but it's still a nice feature.

Me, I'm just dissappointed at the lack of a character update this week (Meta Knight doesn't count). I like this new trend of multiple updates though.

[Barkworm]

You really love your VG music, don't you? I usually turn the music off and play a CD, but it's still a nice feature.
You do WHAT? You monster!!!

[GK Punk]

i do that too...

[Mecha Cow]

You do WHAT? You monster!!!
The sound options are there for a reason, jerk. The game basically wants me to do this.

*E* By the way, this (http://homepage.mac.com/mike.rice/brawl.jpg) is the supposed SSBB box art that's been floating around on the internets for the last couple of days. Some versions have the Wi-Fi logo on it, some don't. It should be noted that this apparently isn't the final cover yet.

I like it, better than Melee's at least. Looks pretty convincing too.

[Dr. Doom]

I think this is an outstanding idea. I don't really enjoy the fact that you've gotta unlock songs, but still. It opens up a lot of opportunities for fans of specific songs. I'm personally hoping for the Theme of Athletic from Yoshi's Island.

[Deathknight]

Yeah, the box with the wifi logo is on the EBgames website. I really like the CD concept, hopefully they'll have a lot of classic games. There is one game that better be on the list though... Melee!

[Cure]

Now my question is, do stages from the same series share the same music choices or does each stage have their own? Either way, this is pretty cool.

[Dr. Doom]

I could see certain stages sharing a couple songs, but it could go either way.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I usually turn the music off and play a CD, but it's still a nice feature.

i do that too...

Let's ban them both.

Yeah, I'm a little nutty about game soundtracks. I've got a 200GB music collection. Half of that is game music (from pretty much every console ever made)

[Peanut]

That feature is awesome to so many degrees that it's RIDICULOUS! It sucks that not all series will be represented, but we'll probably be getting a bunch of songs for the bigger franchises. I'm with Doom on the Yoshi's Island Theme of Athletic!

[Cure]

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[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh, I can do better than that. Its illegal to post it, but PM me if you would like to hear a big band rendition of the Yoshi Athletic theme.

*EDIT*

Nevermind, I found it on Youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-oz7EmMfb8&mode=related&search=)

[Cure]

Today's update is awesome simply for the expressions on the peoples' faces in the background.

[Peanut]

What a worthless update, not to mention a stupid Pokemon with a stupid "special attack". Eating items? Yeah, way to go. Now if it was an assist trophy and it was PAC-MAN who ate the items, that would be cool.

[Ra]

Munchlax? Good god...I thought they wouldn't add any more Pokemon now that they had the Trainer, but oh well...

Today's update is awesome simply for the expressions on the peoples' faces in the background.
Oh yes, no doubt about that. That second picture? Priceless :lol:

[Dr. Doom]

Goddamnit, I wanted Lyn as a full character.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Nobody cares about Fire Emblem you n00b.

Now, I don't know how much my word goes for around here, but here we go.

A friend of mine from AMN spoke with our old chum Charles Martinet (they practically live on the same block in San Fransisco) who is notoriously gossip friendly. He said he had recently recorded lines for both Mario & Luigi for Brawl not long ago. He also admitted they recorded quite a few lines at that (story mode mini-revelation perhaps?)

You can take that as an unofficial confirmation of Luigi in Brawl (so long Ness). He also said Luigi is going to be much different this time than his former "Mario clone" representation, but we couldn't get anything else out of him.


This makes me happy. Every character revelation is a big deal because this is likely the last Smash Bros., and everything needs to be perfect this time. Luigi FTW.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't think anyone ever had any doubts about Luigi being in the game. Also, how does his inclusion have anything to do with Ness'?

[Cure]

I'm glad that chick is an assist trophy and not a wasted roster spot.

[Peanut]

1) TMB's word goes for nothing.
2) Mecha is right, what does Luigi have to do with Ness at all?
3) Cure hit the nail on the head. We have enough sh*tty sword wielding anime f*gs in the game.

[Dr. Doom]

Apparently we don't have nearly enough by my count. More than her I really wanted Eliwood, so I guess there's still some hope there. the characters in the 2 Fire Emblem games I've played are absolutely awesome, I'd love to see a lot more of them in whatver capacity they can muster.

[Peanut]

Wow. Another 3 platform stage with a moving background. These stages just look terrific. :ohwell:

[ThirdMarioBro]

The tournament whores should be happy, but who cares about them? Yeah, nobody.

[Dr. Doom]

I actually hate the 3 platform layout to an extent. Battlefeild, for example, makes me feel totally impotent as far as evasion and manuevering goes.

[Cure]

The only one of those options that interests me is the angled one. It might be fun. And is it just me, or does this seem like, such a Friday update? I dunno, I saw it and thought "Is it Friday already?".

EDIT: Do you guys see the three circles in the background behind Mario? They could only mean...MICKEY MOUSE CONFIRMED! HE'S GONNA FIGHT WITH HIS KEYBLADE ZOMG!

[Peanut]

Which also means Sora is confirmed! WHOMG! That means KH3 is heading to Wii! One-for-one Keyblade swinging with your Wiimote! One-for-one...an O is round...round like a fat childs cheeks! A fat childs cheeks...are rosy...just like...Jigglypuff! This also confirms that Jigglypuff is out of the game, but who will be his replacement? Of Course! Jigglypuff has a move called Rest. Rest..in peace! That means someone who died! But in Pokemon you don't die...you come back...almost as if...resurrected! Jigglypuff...starts with a J! J + resurrection? THAT SETTLES IT! Jesus is in! I can't wait to do his down+b attack - Sacrifice! You lose a life, but everyone else gets healed! Praise the Lord!

CONFIRMED!

[Barkworm]

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Batman-Robin-Photograph-C10045332.jpeg
Batman and Robin say: Excellent deduction!

[Ra]

Which also means Sora is confirmed! WHOMG! That means KH3 is heading to Wii! One-for-one Keyblade swinging with your Wiimote! One-for-one...an O is round...round like a fat childs cheeks! A fat childs cheeks...are rosy...just like...Jigglypuff! This also confirms that Jigglypuff is out of the game, but who will be his replacement? Of Course! Jigglypuff has a move called Rest. Rest..in peace! That means someone who died! But in Pokemon you don't die...you come back...almost as if...resurrected! Jigglypuff...starts with a J! J + resurrection? THAT SETTLES IT! Jesus is in! I can't wait to do his down+b attack - Sacrifice! You lose a life, but everyone else gets healed! Praise the Lord!

CONFIRMED!
Wait! What about Buddha? Why can't he be included as well? You have to have Buddha if Jesus is in it!

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/iceclimbers_070914a-l.jpg

Well I'll be damned. The little buggers made it into Brawl after all. I seriously thought they were getting the axe. I'm glad to see 'em.

Captain Falcon is confirmed by Goroh's appearance. Luigi is confirmed by Charles Martinet's gossip. Lucas has been hinted to replace Ness several times now. Fox needs a villain, and Andross would be ridiculous, so that leaves Wolf, plus Krystal's furry fanbase thus leaving Falco in doubt, but if the Ice Climbers made it in, anything is possible. Young Link is almost certainly going to be replaced with Wind Waker Link at this point.

Now, if we can just get Mr. Game & Watch with some of his Wario Land 4 goodies, I'll be a happy camper. It seems we're only loosing characters who have modern replacements.

[Ra]

Nice. They weren't my favorites, but I liked how they played. Hopefully they will get a few more moves in Brawl...

[Dr. Doom]

This gives me hope that others won't be left out.

[Cure]

There's one more spot in the newcomers section to fill up to make things even. Maybe they'll finally update with Snake? If not, let's hope it's soon and someone good, although it'll be hard to match how excited I was for Diddy.

[Peanut]

I still think Pokemon Trainer was the best addition, thus far. But Diddy was a close second.

I love how completely sh*tty the updates were for so long, and then we got like two weeks of the most amazing stuff, now we're back to crap again. Jerks! Messing with my feelings like that.

[Ra]

Ah well, remember the old saying: "Keep 'em mean, keep 'em keen."

But that being said, I really do wish that they would throw in some better updates soon. I think a part of me died when I saw Munchlax thrown into the mix... :cry:

[Mecha Cow]

Why did people assume Ice Climbers were getting the cut again? Well, aside from them being crappy characters.

[愛]

Because they're crappy characters. :)

[Dr. Doom]

I wouldn't have assumed anyone would be cut to begin with, but everyone seemed convinced that there would be many not returning.

[Brodie]

So, when are they making the good Smash Brothers game?

[Peanut]

I wouldn't have assumed anyone would be cut to begin with, but everyone seemed convinced that there would be many not returning.

I don't know anyone who thought "many" wouldn't be returning. Three to four, all of which were mostly clones.

[Deathknight]

Ice Climbers bad? What are you talking about, they're one of the best characters in the game. They have an infinite combo for one thing (which I'm sure will be fixed in brawl.) Not to mention extremely powerful and useful smashes. Only thing that sucks about ICs is when you lose Nana it becomes rather difficult. Otherwise they have a good recovery (Up B sucks but if you do the B foward and hit B rapidly you'll get really nice distance and usually gain a bit of height), good speed and power, and excellent throw combos.

[Peanut]

I think people just mean that the Ice Climbers are sh*tty characters. Not that they're useless in the game. I think that's true enough; they are sh*tty characters from a sh*tty game. Just like Pit. A "revered" Nintendo "classic" that about 7 people actually played, which in turn causes people to just pick up on the "fact" that they're "excellent" when in truth, that's a bunch of bullsh*t and they're just going along with it because if you never played it, you've lost all your old skool gamer cred.

[Deathknight]

haha, yeah, that's true Ice Climbers was a bad game. Though I hear a lot of people talk about how great Kid Icarus was. I played it, don't see anything great about it personally. One huge flaw I found in the game is that when you're going up as the bottom of the screen rises, that becomes a death pit yet you can hit down and jump to jump through platforms. Kind of a bad idea there.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I think people just mean that the Ice Climbers are sh*tty characters. Not that they're useless in the game. I think that's true enough; they are sh*tty characters from a sh*tty game. Just like Pit. A "revered" Nintendo "classic" that about 7 people actually played, which in turn causes people to just pick up on the "fact" that they're "excellent" when in truth, that's a bunch of bullsh*t and they're just going along with it because if you never played it, you've lost all your old skool gamer cred.

The problem with Kid Icarus is that is sucks like the original Metroid sucks now. Its difficult to a fault, and reeks of potential that was never realized. It never got the chance to evolve into something cool. The concept was always badass, but the 8-bit execution is a mess by modern standards. The design just hasn't held up.

And Ice Climbers sucks. It has a cool little theme, and I think a quickie sequel could be fun, but the old 8-bit game has horrible controls.

[Mecha Cow]

I think the Ice Climbers are crappy characters in both design and play style, and because nobody knows or cares about their 'franchise'. At least Pit looks cool.

[Dr. Doom]

Wi-Fi confirmed!

[ThirdMarioBro]

We got a MEGATON tonight people.

The naysayers thought it wouldn't happen, but Sakurai delivered. Its official. Super Smash Bros. Brawl is online. Friend mode, random mode, messages during multiplayer via taunts, and even more modes not yet revealed.

And beating Mr. Sandbag during the lobby while waiting for a match? FINALLY something to do while waiting in an online lobby.

ALSO, notice he quietly confirmed that Wi-Fi will be global? Game speed will be automatically adjusted depending on distance and lag. You can play people in other countries which means the versions of the game have to be consistent via region. That nearly eliminates the chances of content being altered in localization.

Greatest update ever? I think so.

*edit*

You beat me to it Doom you bastard. :P

[Mecha Cow]

Hot diggety damn. Online after all.

Also, I have to say I really like Sakurai's modest attitude. It seems very sincere.

*E* If I may bitch for a second, I still hate that obnoxious new HUD...

[Krueger]

Definitely the greatest update in a long time. Please let this game come out already!

[Cure]

Hot diggety damn. Online after all.

Also, I have to say I really like Sakurai's modest attitude. It seems very sincere.

*E* If I may bitch for a second, I still hate that obnoxious new HUD...

You know, it looks photoshopped to me or unofficial, so I'm hoping it's different when the game releases.

[Dr. Doom]

You mean with the portraits?

[Deathknight]

Awesome that it's finally been confirmed but I wish there was more info about it. I really hope it isn't like Mario Kart DS (it's the only Nintendo Wifi game I've ever tried) where you can't choose how many opponents to look for and am forced to go with 4 player. Don't get me wrong, 4 player is fun for a change and I especially like 2v2 but 1v1 is always my favorite. I'd also really like to know how stages, whether items are on, etc will be decided in Wifi battles.

[ThirdMarioBro]

My guess is that it will be decided by popular vote. Notice while Mario is beating up Mr. Sandbag in that one shot, the other players are still deciding on stages and characters. The game will probably tally the stage votes and--well, you know.

Tonight's update featured a few Subspace Emissary enemies. I'm glad to see that is shaping up more and more like a full-on platformer, though I'm less interested in the enemies (though the designs are cool--ROB FTW) and more interested in the backgrounds. Some of them feel familiar, but I can't place them.

[Peanut]

I can't be the only one who's getting a really strong Kingdom Hearts vibe from those enemies.

[Cure]

Those designs are really outstanding, in my opinion. They seem really unique and creative.

[Peanut]

You're kidding, right? Was it that first one that looked like Wheelie from Kirby, the origami bird, or the multi-coloured Pokeballs that did it for you?

[Cure]

Actually it was the thing with the huge scythes and that stupid looking thing with the big pants. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?! You can just go...choke...on your...food, I guess.

[Peanut]

OH! The two that look like Heartless rejects, I SEE! I do think "shadow" one with the two huge blades looks cool, though.

[Cure]

In all honesty, they look better than what's in most games these days. Just zombies and giant spiders and whatnot.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Looks like Sakuari has been drinking the Kirby juice again.

[Ra]

These three have to be my favorites.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/modea06_070919a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/modea06_070919g.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Ra-Cho/modea06_070919e.jpg

Probably because the first two look like old Heartless designs and the other one just looks plain awesome, but meh. Otherwise I think the character designers are sniffing something when they are stuck on ideas...I mean...Pokeballs? Wow...how threatening... :|

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well its about goddamn time. Fridays rule. Triple update for the man with the really long snake. Don't turn your back to him or you might just get punked.

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa, triple MGS-themed update. Not exactly a megaton but still cool. Didn't think they would post Snake on the site, as he's been confirmed as an unlockable. He seems like a pretty annoying character to play as, though I'm not complaining.

[Dr. Doom]

Who confirmed this? Seems to me through everything that's been released that he'll be available from the get-go. I don't really think they've publicized any of the unlockable characters in either of the past games.

[Mecha Cow]

Sakurai said Snake and other 3rd party characters would be 'hidden'. Granted, this was like a year ago so Snake may have bumped up to starting character for all we know.

[Cure]

I especially like the pic of him and Ike, seeing as how I don't like Ike too much.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Rosetti is here to ruin all your lives!!!!!!!! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)

[Mecha Cow]

Hmm...If Resetti is an assist, and Tom Nook and the dog are already part of a stage, who's going to be the playable Animal Crossing character? I mean, the series has a stage and its own icon, so there needs to be a character too, right? Stop confusing me, Sakurai!

[Cure]

It's Super Effective! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html#3rd)

But what's up with the "Not really" comment? I thought solar beam WAS a grass type attack.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, that is pretty weird. Maybe he means it's 'not really' a 'beautiful combination'.

[Deathknight]

bleh, I'm more interested in new stages and characters. Final Smashes are cool but I'd rather just see them when the game comes out.

[Mecha Cow]

Agreed, I hope we get a character tomorrow, even if it's just a returning one.

[Deathknight]

Well that update just plain SUCKS. Who cares about tournament mode returning. I hate tournament mode. It's only one match per matchup and you can't change your character for the entire tournament.

[Dinny]

Hugely underwhelming update however:


Of course, if you don’t have a large number of friends, you may not have much need for a tourney.
Still, we’re working seriously to make this mode fun for even those people.

Is he hinting at online tourney here?

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if the tournament mode was Wi-Fi compatible.

[Deathknight]

You don't need that crappy mode to have a wifi tournament. That's what friend codes are for and setting up matches in advance. Tournament matches should always be 2 out of 3 anyway, tournament mode only allows a single match. Anyone can get lucky or have a bad match, that's why most tournaments are 2 out of 3 so you can redeem yourself. It makes it more like a normal fighting game.

[Dr. Doom]

In the MGS Movie thread in TV/Movies, I indirectly discovered a link on Kotaku to something about David Hayter confirming that he's already recorded his lines for the game. Not really a huge shocker or anything, but just nice to know, especially when you're paranoid about how the game will turn out like I am.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That gives me the same sort of relief I heard when I heard Martinet had already recorded for Luigi. Melee's voice acting was a rushed train wreck, and I was worried about Snake.


You know, after reading about how Nintendo has casualized Zelda on IGN, I'm more and more thankful that Masahiro Sakurai left Nintendo. That's why this game is turning out so well. Hell, he even kept Wavebird support.

Imagine what a waggle ridden piece of sh*t this game would be if it were being developed in-house. You just can't trust Nintendo to not sell-out anymore.

[Mecha Cow]

Lucas is a playable character. Probably a replacement for Ness, then.

[Peanut]

I (and many others) called this one. This was the plan for Melee, and with all the time Sakurai had to work on Brawl, it had to happen. This also makes the rumor that floated out with this one (that 2 of the original characters were getting the boot) much more likely.

However, let us not begin to count our chickens, because he did mention Ness. That comment could either mean that Lucas makes Ness obsolete, or he and Ness will have a chance to throw down in Brawl. I guess we'll need to wait and see.

[Cure]

I hope he's not exaggerating when he says he "fights splendidly".

[Dr. Doom]

It does bring more concerns to mind about people potentially being removed/replaced, whereas I was feeling pretty good about that before.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Remember, the fu*king Ice Climbers managed to wriggle back in. Don't give up hope yet.

[Dr. Doom]

Right, that's one thing I'm holding on to.

[愛]

They can't keep every character. The best you can do is hope your favorite character is kept in. If not, get better with a new character.

[Dr. Doom]

They certainly can. Why wouldn't they be able to? Look at Soul Calibur 3. It has, in at least some capacity, every character from the Soul Series, save for like Edgemaster and Charade, who does make an appearance, and the SCII Exclusives.

EDIT: And Seong Mi-Na's father.

EDIT: And Necrid, though he was just kind of a bastardization of other people's moves anyways.

[愛]

Because then they'd have to update the move list for every character, and let's face it, that can be overwhelming. I'd love for them to keep every character, but it's just not doable. Especially since we're talking about Nintendo.

[Mecha Cow]

Ness was originally going to be replaced by Lucas in Melee already. Take that however you will, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for Ness still being in the game.

Who cares, though? They're basically the same character anyway, and as long as they play the same it doesn't really make much of a difference whether Ness is in or out.

[Dr. Doom]

They wouldn't have to competely overhaul everyone. Look at Link. His moves were slightly changed but are the same for the most part. Most characters will probably end up fighting exactly the same way they did in the last game. Like Captian Falcon. Sure, they've added things to Mario, Link and Samus that have happened in their games since Melee, but what has Captian Falcon been up to lately?

[Deathknight]

I'm hoping Ness will be back and will rival Lucas. I really think it's crap that they planned to replace Ness since Lucas is more popular. People like certain characters better than others but that doesn't mean you shouldn't give the less liked one a chance to shine along with them. It's like saying since Mario is much more popular than Luigi they should only have Mario return but not Luigi. Ness and Lucas should be in Brawl but based on the comment I'm thinking it's not going to be that way. So what if Lucas is more popular, that doesn't mean that nobody likes Ness anymore.

[Cure]

Whoa, kinda crazy update today. I'm liking the stage, and the communications Snake has seem pretty entertaining, as well, but they can get old fast if they pop up outta nowhere.

[Dr. Doom]

Best update ever.

[Barkworm]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my god, this is insane!!!

[Spitfire]

You know you'd think with the game being next gen and all they would be able to include everyone from the previous game and then add on. But noooooo they have to mess it up and take characters out. Really even if you don't like say Pichu or whatever I know there's someone out there who uses that as their main character you know? Why not just make them all and add on. It's pointless to take anyone out. It worked with Mortal Kombat in Trilogy. Or maybe they will make a game later with everyone in it.

I guess it gives you a reason to keep Melee since it'll have characters this one doesn't but Melee isn't online...

[ThirdMarioBro]

Snake - "It lays eggs, so it must be female...right?

Otacon - "Actually, it claims to be a 'he'"

Snake - "It talks? How 'bout I capture one so we can see what it tastes like?"

ROFLOLOLOLZ
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Snake - "Mei Ling...Samus took her clothes off. Without all that armor, she's a lot more agile. I bet if I took all this gear off, I could catch her.

Mei Ling - Yeah, you wish Snake. All that training she did with the Chozo has made her a super athlete. No human could ever catch up.

Snake - Her loss.
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Solid Snake wants to Screw Attack Samus Aran.

Sorry, but somebody had to sink that low. Seriously, game of the year.

[GK Punk]

I personally would have used "Snake wants to show her his Phazer cannon"

[Mecha Cow]

Hahah, what an awesome update. Definitely one of the best ones yet.

[Peanut]

HAHAHAHA! Oh, man. This game just keeps getting more and more wacky. It's seriously nothing but the biggest love letter to fans of games ever. And I wouldn't want it any other way.

[Mecha Cow]

See? Even Peanut, the resident MGS hater likes it! A great update indeed.

Between yesterday's update and this one, this is shaping up to be a great week. Don't let me down, tomorrow!

[Peanut]

Listen, I don't hate MGS. I just think that it gets away with way more crap than it deserves to. It's a fun enough game, but it pulls off some retarded story elements with an archaic control scheme and never gets called out for it's faults. That's my only problem with Metal Gear.

I'm just more about gameplay than anything else, which is probably way I played the VR Missions in Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance more than I played the actual game.

Anyways, yeah. I hope they keep up with the interesting updates this week. Little stuff like this is what makes a game legendary. It's never the big things.

[Mecha Cow]

I know, man. It's just that 'disliker' didn't have the same ring to it.

[Peanut]

Those two new assist trophies are SO bad ass. Is it asking too much for the Excitebike theme to play when they pop out? Probably, BUT I'M HOPING!

[Cure]

God, I hated the Lakitus so much, and I know I'm gonna hate them just as much here but...it's always been a good hate, you know? I'm glad to see them there, along with Excitebike-men.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You remember how cool the SNES character sprites looked in the SMW Yoshi's Island stage from Melee (namely Lakitu and the Banzai Bill)? I'm hoping for a lot of stuff like that.

They better play the Excitebike theme. Its already stuck in my head just thinking about it.

[Mecha Cow]

More details on the story mode, including co-op play. Best week for updates yet? I think yes.

[Peanut]

I think the single player mode looks sh*t. That's what I think. It's just going to be a glorified version of the piece of trash in Melee with a joke co-op mode.

[Cure]

I like the caption for the first screenshot.

"Congratulations!" Uh...thanks?

And is it just me or is the world map incredibly boring looking?

[Ra]

Na, it's not just you. I don't know, but there is something about that makes it look...eh. Too much detail, maybe? :ohwell:

[Deathknight]

For those who don't know yet:
SONIC IS CONFIRMED FOR BRAWL! Shown in the new trailer at the Nintendo Fall conference today.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/826/826130p1.html
Can't wait until the trailer is released, hopefully it'll show some more new stuff

[ThirdMarioBro]

Good evening ladies and gentlemen. The time has once again come for....you guessed it. Another one of Lucas's patented outbursts of joy is on the horizon. Here it comes. You ready? Oh yeah baby.

****ING FANTASTIC!!!


That concludes today's proceedings. Thank you for your time. You've been a fantastic audience bitches.
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Hopefully Sakuari will drop him tonight on the dojo. I told you Mario & Sonic at the Olympics was a trade-off.

[Peanut]

Yep. He's up there, along with a couple videos. Good news!

The video shows a bunch of his moves and he looks really cool. Even has the old school Sonic jumping noise when he jumps. And his Final Smash is clearly Super Sonic, which is also cool.

This game really is turning out to be epic. My guess is we'll get one more guest character and maybe two or three more Nintendo characters. I'd love to be wrong and see more, though.

[ThirdMarioBro]

There's still more room I feel, but still. There can't be any complaining with a roaster this fantastic. Sonic's Down+B looks psychotic.

[Mecha Cow]

Well now. Didn't see that coming.

Not the biggest fan of the character, but if any 3rd party character deserves to be there, it's Sonic.

[Peanut]

I just hope it doesn't get delayed again. We already have to wait over year since it's first "supposed" launch window release, but now it looks like it's getting pushed back again. January in Japan, and now the release date on the NA page has gone from December to TBD. Not a good sign.

[Mecha Cow]

Wait, it got delayed again? I'm at school so I'm not entirely up to date, was there a conference or something?

[Peanut]

Yeah, there was some kind of random conference where all this stuff was announced. It got delayed until January in Japan and now the December 4th release date has been removed from the NA version of Smashbros.com, Not to mention Sakurai's update about the release date. And this comment wasn't all that positive. "There’s still a little more development to be done... I’m hoping to complete it without incident."

I'd say another delay is all but completely confirmed for everyone.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, damn it. Brawl in 2009 for Europe. :(

[Barkworm]

Wait, WHAT? Mecha, are you being sarcastic or what's going on?

[Mecha Cow]

I'm being sarcastic, though it's likely that we will get shafted again.

[Deathknight]

I'm guessing we're probably getting Brawl in mid Febuary now since Japan is getting it at the end of January. Website has already changed release date to TBD which I assume stands for To Be Delayed.

[Cure]

I'm guessing we're probably getting Brawl in mid Febuary now since Japan is getting it at the end of January. Website has already changed release date to TBD which I assume stands for To Be Delayed.

I think it means To Be Determined, buddy.

[Peanut]

What worries me the most about Sonic is that him being there opens up the floodgates to the Sonic series horrible cast of characters. Tails, Knuckles and Eggman I can deal with, but characters post Sonic 3 make me cringe. If they infect the damn game, I'll be super depressed. If I even HEAR Shadow's name...I don't know. People will die.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, fu*k. I kept saying this was going to happen all year, but by the time I finally forget about the pessimism and start to look forward to the game...they all but delay it.

If this game misses December, it will officially crimp my Holiday fun. Of course, it would make perfect sense for Nintendo to be complete douche bags and do it. I never expected them to drop two megaton bombs like Galaxy and Smash within a month of each other in the first place.

If Japan gets it in Jan, best case scenario is that we'll get it the end of the month. Of course, if it lands even later, Nintendo will push it to the start of their next fiscal year which means April at the earliest. Then Mario Kart and all of next year's goods get pushed to who-the-hell-knows-when. Good job Nintendo. Fu*k you.


I'm not too terribly worried about Sonic. Did they play that crappy theme from Sonic Adventure 2? Yeah, but all of the animations, sounds, and mannerisms were ripped from Sonic the Hedgehog 2. Apparently he's got some items in there as well. I don't think they would contaminate the game with that emo Shadow sh*t since Sakurai likes to cater to 16-bit. It would completely devalue Sonic's presence. Frankly, I don't want Tails or Knuckles either. They were cool in the old days, but the characters have since been all but ruined. Sonic by himself though? Awesomeness.

[Peanut]

I don't want them as playable characters, but having them in there as AT's or just regular trophies would be pretty alright.

[Mecha Cow]

Honestly, none of Sonic's dumb friends deserve to be playable characters in this game. I can live with Sonic stinking it up with his baditude, but we really don't need any more of that.

*E* Wait, are we back to 'Nintendo sucks' now? I heard there was this game called Mario Galaxy coming out soon.

[ThirdMarioBro]

*E* Wait, are we back to 'Nintendo sucks' now? I heard there was this game called Mario Galaxy coming out soon.

Why does everyone always pull that card? Yes, we all know Galaxy is going to be likely the best installment in the entire Mario franchise, but that doesn't instantly exonerate Nintendo for spending the last 365 days promising us Mario and Smash for Christmas, then possibly reneging on their word once again.

And hell, who knows. Galaxy could get delayed too. Its not like they would sell any fewer Wii's this Christmas. They're not going to meet demand as it is.

[Mecha Cow]

Because it's a valid argument? I'd rather have Brawl and Galaxy spread out a bit rather than Nintendo blowing their load at once and leaving us in the cold for the next God-knows-how-long. The Wii sucks, but it's not because Brawl is getting released a few months later than expected.

[Dr. Doom]

Sonic looks like he'll be a lot of fun to play as. What'd be brilliant now is if they gave him a stage or two based on the original games. I'd love to have Knuckles in there, too, but I wouldn't be suprised at all if they throw in Shadow as a clone character.

Anyways, the news of a delay is definitely very upsetting, considering we're only 2 months away. I can almost taste the game at this point, to have it yanked further away is definitely a depressing thought. I guess that announcing Sonic at the same time was probably a good move on their part if the delay is true...It's the one peice of news that so many people were waiting to here, I guess I figure that softens the blow of one of the things a gamer dreads to hear about a highly anticipated game.

And I still don't see why they couldn't include the whole previous cast of characters. I know it's not looking great for Ness, but still, it just wouldn't make sense to me.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Because it's a valid argument? I'd rather have Brawl and Galaxy spread out a bit rather than Nintendo blowing their load at once and leaving us in the cold for the next God-knows-how-long. The Wii sucks, but it's not because Brawl is getting released a few months later than expected.

Look, if Sakurai delayed it because he has more content in mind for the last Smash, then so be it. I understand and will let it go because he's earned all the time he needs after Melee being kicked out the door in 11 months. But if Nintendo delayed a nearly finished game just to release Wii Fit (aka Stepmaster Deluxe) during the Holiday season, then I'll be mad as hell.

[Peanut]

Maybe they just don't want to go through creating content for all those characters that no one gives a sh*t about. Maybe they don't feel that having to go through putting Pichu into the story mode is worth all the trouble. Target mini-game, character trophy's, graphical upgrades, and whatever other character specific content they end up dropping into this one.

I mean, who hasn't been officially confirmed yet?
Cpt. Falcon
Jigglypuff
Ness
Pichu
Young Link
Ganondorf
Mewtwo
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
Dr. Mario
Luigi
Roy
Marth
Did I miss anyone?

7 of those are clones. Young Link, Pichu, Falco, either Roy or Marth and Dr. Mario don't need to be in the game! Cpt. Falcon and Luigi are pretty much 100% sure to be in. Ness gets replaced by Lucas...big deal, as far as we know, they're pretty much the same damn character. Why do we NEED so many exact clones? We don't. The only sad losses would be Mr. Game & Watch, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo. Even though Mewtwo isn't a completely original character, a lot of his moves work differently from those characters he steals them from, and he isn't an exact clone of anyone. And all signs point to Mr. Game & Watch being in again anyways.
Other more worthy clones like Gannondorf need to be given their own move variations, and characters like Luigi who work as a half-clone need to be given their own completely original move-sets.

[Mecha Cow]

Wasn't it delayed so he could add online co-op or something? If that's the case I think it will be worth the wait.

[Peanut]

If it got delayed for online co-op, I hope he falls on a knife.

[Mecha Cow]

Some of us actually care about the adventure mode, commie!

I wonder if Marth will be back. The recently announced Fire Emblem DS is remake of the original NES game (Starring Marth), so perhaps that will work in his favor.

[Peanut]

I care about the adventure mode, I'm just realistic enough to know that's it's going to blow and it's Sonic 2 style co-op is going to be garbage.

[Dr. Doom]

Again, no reason they can't include everybody. Falco does need to be in the game. Kiss my ass.

[Mecha Cow]

Now you're not even making sense anymore, Doom.

Today's update are Sonic's special moves. What's the different between his side move and his down move? o_O

[Dr. Doom]

Falco's my favorite character. I don't see any reason why they can't include everybody, but until I actually see confirmation, I'm still nervous about it.

As far as the moves go, I'm really not sure either. I'm guessing his side move works more like the homing attack.

[Peanut]

Stop b*tching. There are reasons not to include everyone. If they'd rather spend time making a new character and fleshing out their content, rather than recycling poor characters like Pichu and Dr. Mario, that's just the way it is.

And Falco is a sh*t character. I hope he gets dropped just to make you cry a little more.

Also, Brawl officially delayed until February 10th. F*cking bullsh*t.

[Dr. Doom]

I can always just play as Fox, but I like Falco better. I guess I figured that they'd probably do a little more to differentiate clone characters this time around, like that they did with Liugi from the first game to the second (It's been a while since I played the first one, but I seem to recall him playing a lot more like Mario there, the biggest difference being the uppercut). I mean, look at what they could do with a Young Link character this time around. With a Wind Waker motif, he could play totally differently.

I think Sonic will kinda make up for it either way, I have a feeling I'll enjoy playing as him to a similar effect as Falco.

[ThirdMarioBro]

In other news, I'll be picking up a PS3 this year. Enjoy pandering to the casual market this Christmas Nintendo with your stepmaster deluxe and brain age bundles.

I hope you and your goddamn Wii Fit burn in hell Nintendo.

[Dr. Doom]

They can't hear you, Lucas.

[Cure]

There are some cool off-screen videos of Smash at gamevideos and IGN.

GameVideos. (http://gonintendo.com/?p=27058)

IGN. (http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/vids_1.html)

[Mr. Snackpants]

This delay sucks. My friends most into Smash Bros.(and VG in general) transfered to a college 10 hours away in the upper peninsula. We've been talking about how awesome our Halo3/SSBB/Guitar 3/Rock Band LAN(s) is gunna be this Chirstmas break. A big chunk of the fun is gone now. Looks like we'll have to wait until summer for a SSBB partay. Bullsh*t.

[Peanut]

I don't know if anyone has watched the Delfino Plaza video up on IGN, but it's a 4-way between Ike, Pit, Pikachu and...someone. I forgot who. Anyways, Ike's moves look a LOT like Roy and Marth's. He's got an attack block-counter move and and even a chargeable sword slash that hits with an explosion. Could be a sign that Roy and Marth are out.

[Mecha Cow]

It would be real nice if the moron playing the game would move his damn hands away from the camera.

I recognise a couple of Ike's moves, but I'm not convinced he's a Marth/Roy clone just yet. He seems more similar to Roy, which sucks because Marth is a far better character. It would be nice if Marth came back, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ike turned out to be his replacement.

Also, notice how the pre-fight intros are back from the original Smash Bros.?

[ThirdMarioBro]

They can't hear you, Lucas.

QUIET! You're ruining the illusion that what I say actually means anything.

I'm actually hearing Sakurai asked for the delay to avoid having to cut content to make the date. When he puts it that way, I say....."its cool".

Looks like its just me and Mario this Christmas. Has anybody heard the new music in that 5 minute video at IGN? Sweet Lord, best Mario game ever.

[Dr. Doom]

It seems as though one of my biggest hopes for this game, trivial though it may seem, is indeed dashed, now that I've seen it with my own eyes. I was really, really hoping for actual alternate costumes instead of just palette swaps or whatever the hell you wanna call them.

In regards to Ike, he does look like he plays similar to Marth and/or Roy, but I'm coming from the school of thought where the subtle differences in the way that like Captain Falcon and Ganondorf played, for example, made them 2 totally different competitors.

I really, very very adamantly want as little as possible to be taken away from Melee. My moist earnest desire for this game was to take what Melee did and add more ontop of it, instead of having anything be removed. I've been playing the game religiously for about 5 years now. I know that eventually, I'll get used to whatever Brawl ends up being, but facing change right now is a very difficult concept to swallow.

[Deathknight]

Personally, I can see why they'd get rid of certain clones but some are good enough to keep. They should just do what they did for Luigi going into Melee. Luigi was a total clone in Smash 64 but they changed him enough to make him unique in Melee. Though certain characters I find understandable that they'd drop, specifically Dr. Mario. It was years before I knew the difference between Mario and Doc and I found out by researching it, not by noticing anything. Though I see no reason to get rid of any characters that were unique.

[Krueger]

OMG!!! Delaying the game again!? They say by just a "little bit?" It is two months! Unbelievable. I'm tired of the "Oh, we are trying to make this game best as possible" excuse.

There goes Christmas! :(

[Mecha Cow]

I very much doubt they are going to get rid of unique movesets (Even if it means swapping some characters like Ness and Marth), so it doesn't make much of a difference to me who makes it back and who doesn't.

Who knows, maybe some of the clones will return as unique characters. Luigi already has a 100% chance of returning, and we know Ganondorf is in the game (Though I suppose Cpt. Falcon could be nixed instead, but I don't see that happening).

[Deathknight]

I'm betting the Ganondorf is going to fight with 2 swords like he did in Wind Waker, or possibly somewhat of how he fought in TP (I don't know, I never finished the game.)

[Mecha Cow]

His design will most likely be based on his TP look, so he'll probably use his sword.

[Mecha Cow]

Today's update is a Mother 3 level. Another floating background stage, though this one is a lot bigger.

[Cure]

Yeah, this stage huge. I like it.

[Cure]

Little Mac looks cool. At least it's not that crazy blonde version from Super Punch-Out!!!!11!!

[Mecha Cow]

It's a shame he got demoted to an assist, I think he would have made a good playable character (Better than Ice Climbers anyway). Eh, at least he got a nice 3D model, rather than being a sprite like the Excite Biker.

[Cure]

New videos over at Gametrailers. (http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2686.html)

One four player fight and two story mode ones.

[Mecha Cow]

The adventure mode looks really awesome. The fact that it's (online!) co-op means I'll be playing it a lot. Also note how Mario's FLUDD stays on until he uses another attack. Nice detail.

Dojo update is Peach' Final Smash. Which we had already seen. Yawn.

[Peanut]

The adventure mode looks really awesome.

Are you serious? Like...really? Did you see that part where...it looked like the exact same annoying bullsh*t in Melee, except with cut-scenes?

The cut-scenes and the whole idea behind the characters actually teaming up and having some kind of story in-between the mindless brawling is really really cool, but it still looks like it's going to play like the most awkward side-scrolling beat-em-up ever. Just like Melee did.

And it's nice to see that despite this huge epic storyline, the game still looks like it has ZERO voice-acting. Nintendo needs to f*cking step that **** up already, seriously.

[Mecha Cow]

So f*cking what? It looks fun. The level design seems solid and co-op beat 'em ups are always a good laugh.

And seriously, there probably won't be any textual story, so the lack of voice acting is a moot point.

*E* What are you even talking about? We already know the game does have voice acting, just like Melee did. Besides, none of the characters in the vids are even moving their mouths (Ie. there is nothing being said to begin with), and even if they did, you still wouldn't be able to tell since the cutscene videos don't have sound, just music playing over them!

[Peanut]

So f*cking what? It looks fun. The level design seems solid and co-op beat 'em ups are always a good laugh.

And seriously, there probably won't be any textual story, so the lack of voice acting is a moot point.

Because the need to play through all that sh*t in Melee to unlock stuff became nothing but a terrible drag, and if you need to do the same thing for Brawl, which looks like it's going to lengthen the single-player considerably, it's going to drive me up the god damn wall. I don't know, maybe it's because I play so many ACTUAL games that some quasi-brawler-platformer where you just run through super shallow 2D backgrounds, mashing buttons to take out basic and uninteresting enemies; doesn't interest me at all.

And with no story, what's the point of the entire mode? I thought they were inserting some kind of story into this game to make it more substantial and give it an actual meaning.

Edit: I'm assuming there's no voice acting because in that f*cking awful scene with Pit and Mario, Mario has some kind of retarded flashback and then they just stare at each other and nod. You're telling me that's compelling? And when did we find out there's voice-acting? Aside from the few lines of speech characters say during and after matches?

[Mecha Cow]

I'm pretty sure you could unlock everything in Melee through VS matches, I doubt it will be any different in Brawl. Also, don't play the 'actual games' card, it's lame and I really don't appreciate it. There's no gamer hierarchy, I thought you were supposed to be the biggest advocate of the 'just play games' policy.

I also never claimed the story mode would be 'compelling', I don't understand where you're getting this from. What I did say was that I don't think the 'story' will be told in words at all, and I'm willing to bet this will be the case.

As for the voice acting, yes, I was partially referring to the character speech; is this not voice acting? Also, there is full voice acting in the MGS videos, and I'm assuming the characters that were voiced in their own games will be voiced in this one (Fox' Arwing dialogue, Sonic's 'attitude', etc.), as they were in Melee.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Because the need to play through all that sh*t in Melee to unlock stuff became nothing but a terrible drag, and if you need to do the same thing for Brawl, which looks like it's going to lengthen the single-player considerably, it's going to drive me up the god damn wall. I don't know, maybe it's because I play so many ACTUAL games that some quasi-brawler-platformer where you just run through super shallow 2D backgrounds, mashing buttons to take out basic and uninteresting enemies; doesn't interest me at all.

Just buy a cheating device if you don't want to invest the time.

I think the adventure mode looks like great fun. Granted, Melee had clunky control for a platformer, but you've also got to consider that most goons try to treat it like a legitimate fighting game. As a result, they use the analog stick to jump (by pressing up). I use a jump button. As a result, the game becomes no less clunky than Yoshi's Story, and if Brawl lets you further customize the D-Pad and a run button, it will be even more normal.

[Peanut]

I'm pretty sure you could unlock everything in Melee through VS matches, I doubt it will be any different in Brawl. Also, don't play the 'actual games' card, it's lame and I really don't appreciate it. There's no gamer hierarchy, I thought you were supposed to be the biggest advocate of the 'just play games' policy.

I also never claimed the story mode would be 'compelling', I don't understand where you're getting this from. What I did say was that I don't think the 'story' will be told in words at all, and I'm willing to bet this will be the case.

As for the voice acting, yes, I was partially referring to the character speech; is this not voice acting? Also, there is full voice acting in the MGS videos, and I'm assuming the characters that were voiced in their own games will be voiced in this one (Fox' Arwing dialogue, Sonic's 'attitude', etc.), as they were in Melee.

I don't understand where you're getting that I was relating my opinions on the game towards you only. I never said "Mecha, how can you say the game is compelling when the story mode is so loosely tied tied together?" I was looking at it in my own perspective. I never said YOU thought that.

I was voicing what I thought about the continuation of Melee's lame single-player and you jumped up to defend it, personally. I made ONE comment about you, asking if you were totally serious about it looking amazing, in manner that couldn't be anything other than a joke, and you decide to try and take me and my opinions head-on. Even the ones that weren't aimed at you at all.

I smell TMB on you today.

[Mecha Cow]

Sorry man, I misinterpreted you then. The way your post was worded gave me the impression that you were condescending to me for liking something you didn't, and the 'actual games' comment really struck a wrong note (Ie. 'I play more games than you so my opinion has more bearing'). I know you weren't trying to be a dick, but I didn't get the feeling you were joking. My bad.

[Peanut]

It's OK, dude. I didn't know why you were getting so upset, but then I just kinda read through it again and realized how you thought I was directing it all at you. Didn't mean to come off that way.

And it's not like I hate the single-player in Melee, and will subsequently hate it in Brawl, I just wish there was more to it. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the controls are so loose, whereas the best platformers tend to have super-tight controls, and the attacks being used outside of the whole "fighting game" environment seem so awkward to me.

[Dr. Doom]

I think it helps to focus less on the fact that it's a sub-par platformer and moreso look at the fact that it's doing something unique and interesting for a fighting game single player mode, where as so many other fighters just offer several straight battles followed by a shallow, unfulfilling ending.

[Peanut]

That PictoChat stage looks ridiculous. Totally awesome.

[Cure]

They're literally throwing in everything in this game. Virtualboy stage, mayhaps?

Anyway, this stage is kinda like PokeFloats only easier, since there's a ground on the bottom. Also, it has its own symbol. Hmmm...

[Mecha Cow]

Why does this level have its own icon? I mean, I could see an Animal Crossing character happening, but I somehow doubt the game will have a DS character. o_O

[Peanut]

I think it's there specifically to drive the point home that an icon doesn't necessarily mean a character, which completely destroys me to think that there won't be an AC rep in the game.

However, it would be hilarious to see the Doctor from Brain Age as a character, or something insane like the Elite Beat Agents. That would be great.

[Jon]

However, it would be hilarious to see the Doctor from Brain Age as a character.


That would be funny having Dr. Lobe (with his pointer-stick).

Dr. Lobe: "Now what have we learned from this exercise?" :D

[Cure]

There's an in-depth preview (http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10965&pg=1&comments=&preview=) over at AMN that takes a closer look at some of the characters, mostly Ike, Pit, Meta-Knight, and Sonic with some interesting things to note, mostly in the costume changes.

One of Ike's costumes is made to make him look like Marth, so we can assume he's out. Diddy Kong's alternate makes him look like Dixie, which is odd, so she's not in. But what makes me happiest is that one of Sonic's costumes makes him look like Shadow, so I think he's not in. Yay for not Shadow.

[Mecha Cow]

Going by this article and the videos, Pit looks like a surprisingly good character. Ike seems like he kind of sucks though, which is a shame. Still hoping for Marth or a Marth-clone. Oh, and a playable DS character of course!

[Peanut]

Horray for AMN being worthless! Every other report is that the alternates costumes for the characters are slightly more detailed than previously, but in no way do they make any of the characters look different. The only difference with Sonic is slightly lighter/darker shades of blue, and different coloured wrist bands.

AMN = fail.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You = fail

Diddy Kong + pistols + Dirty Harry = MFWin.

[Peanut]

You telling anyone they fail is probably one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard.

[愛]

Next to me saying anyone fails. //_o

[ThirdMarioBro]

You telling anyone they fail is probably one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard.

This coming from the douche who wasted $5 on a crappy XBL emulation of Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

FAIL.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/DK_DIDDY_BANNED.jpg

[Cure]

This coming from the douche who wasted $5 on a crappy XBL emulation of Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

FAIL.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/DK_DIDDY_BANNED.jpg

Maybe he was just playing the demo.

[愛]

Doesn't everyone have Sonic 2 on Sega? I thought that was an essential as a gamer.

[Peanut]

This coming from the douche who wasted $5 on a crappy XBL emulation of Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

FAIL.

ROFL! My sister bought it. Also, $5 isn't going to break me, unlike poor pieces of **** like you. And maybe we should see what kind of horrific garbage you've bought. Let's see...Jetpac Refueled, Novadrome, Defender, Paperboy, Scramble, Frogger...need I go on? OH! How about the two 1,200 point utter pieces of TRASH you own? Lumines Live and Bankshot Billiards 2! And you call me a douche because my sister bought a 400 point version of Sonic the Hedgehog 2? Idiot.

Listen, you really really don't want to do this dance with me, because you have no ground to stand on. At all.

[Barkworm]

Come on people, be happy. I need more positivity in my life.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Sing along children!

Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy joy!

I don't think you're happy enough. That's right. I'll teach you to be happy.; I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs. Now boys and girls, let's try it again.

:D :P :D :P :D :P

[愛]

I've never been happy.

[Mecha Cow]

You know what makes me happy? Great updates like today's Hit the Targets game!

This is a lie, but this is me being positive.

[Cure]

Soo...is it 5 stages per character or 5 stages in all? If it's the latter, I'd be a little peeved, but it's OK.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Sounds like five per character.

[Peanut]

I see I am once again victorious.

[Barkworm]

I'm very happy right now, also very drunk...

I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!

[Mecha Cow]

You're drunk at 9PM? Oh you.

[愛]

Dude...it's Wednesday. You have a drinking problem?

[Dr. Doom]

I guess my fear regarding costumes has been realized, seemingly as well as my fear about everyone not being included.

EDIT: After looking into it some more, I think there's still gonna be a lot to look forward to in regards to characters. We have 22 characters announced (which is only 3 short of Melee's total), and I would go out on a limb and assume that they won't be announcing hidden characters. This may be more wishful thinking than anything else, but it's still something else to hang onto.

Another interesting note, 14 characters from Melee have yet to be announced for Brawl.

[Dr. Doom]

Well I certainly wouldn't have expected that at all.

[ThirdMarioBro]

As I look at the site, the memories of that horrific Kirby anime melt away.

I love King DeDeDe.

[Peanut]

I can't say I'm totally surprised, but...I kind of am. I was actually just thinking about this yesterday. Very strange, indeed.

It's cool that there's another heavyweight, though.

[Cure]

He's OK with me. I don't see me using him much, but still another welcome addition.

And has anyone read the Tails assist trophy rumor? I read in a comment somewhere that they saw him at E for All. He flies behind you and picks you up if you fall from the stage. Anyone read anything like that?

[Peanut]

Nope. I've actually specifically heard that he wasn't in the E4A build at all, but I don't doubt that we'll see him as an AT.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I wouldn't believe any rumors that came out of that mad house excuse for an expo.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, OK. Not particularly care for the character but I don't mind having him in the game. It looks like they're going to reveal one more newcomer, bringing the total to twelve newcomers and twelve veterans which seems like a pretty sizeable starting roster. Guess that means Cpt. Falcon is a hidden character, or that he got the boot?

Whatever, we'll see.

[Peanut]

Why 12 and 12? I don't see why there won't be more, starting roster or not.

[Mecha Cow]

Because of what the Character page layout looks like. There's twelve characters in the Veteran section and eleven in the Newcomers section with one spot remaining. Of course, they could just adjust the spacing as they add more characters, I'm just guessing here.

[愛]

You guys see the saved films feature added to the website? That's pretty awesome. Only 3 minutes of saving isn't so great, but oh well. It works really well in Halo 3.

[Peanut]

Because of what the Character page layout looks like. There's twelve characters in the Veteran section and eleven in the Newcomers section with one spot remaining. Of course, they could just adjust the spacing as they add more characters, I'm just guessing here.

It's grown like three or four times already. When the site first started, the frame was smaller, and has grown with the additions, so I don't see that as any indication of roster size.

Anyways, the more I think about King Dedede being in the game, the more I really like it.

Really, now that I continue to think about the roster, I'm pretty damn happy. For whatever reason, Dedede's addition really put a cap on the roster for me, in terms of new characters atleast. I would be perfectly happy if the currently announced roster was the final one. It makes me really happy to think that we've still got more coming, though. And who really knows what they could be? If there's an Animal Crossing rep, the roster will be completely perfect for me.

[Spitfire]

I havn't been totally keeping up, is Ganondorf on the roster yet? I'm sure I'll fid a new character to like if he's not but I hope he is.

[Cure]

I havn't been totally keeping up, is Ganondorf on the roster yet? I'm sure I'll fid a new character to like if he's not but I hope he is.

He hasn't been officially confirmed, but someone in charge of the Zelda characters said that he's signed agreements to have him (along with Sheik) in the game. Could have been a rumor, though.

[Barkworm]

No, it wasn't a rumour. I'm pretty sure it was Aonuma himself who said it.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, it was him. Technically, all he said was that the Twilight Princess team designed new Smash Bros. models for Ganondorf and Sheik, not that they'd actually be included in the game. Of course, it wouldn't make much sense to throw away perfectly good models of established Smash characters, so it's probably a safe bet to say both will return.

*E* Oh hell no. Apparently the voice actress of Krystal (http://www.alesiaglidewell.com/vo_games.htm) from StarFox -The worst character in the history of the universe- has a gig voicing the same character in Brawl. As an assist, right? Please tell me she's an assist.

[Dr. Doom]

Holy ****, that's Chell from Portal!!!!

Krystal being added wouldn't really surprise me at all. After all it seems like they're trying to expand the presence from each series.

[Cure]

Holy ****, that's Chell from Portal!!!!

Krystal being added wouldn't really surprise me at all. After all it seems like they're trying to expand the presence from each series.

I know you, of all people, would hate it if she replaced Falco. I know I would.

EDIT: I just looked at her main page, and she's pretty hot.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'll be happy if she's in the game. That's for sure. We need a defensive staff fighter to counter all the sword/projectile users.

And yeah, DeDeDe is awesome now that I see his list of specials.

[Cure]

I'll be happy if she's in the game. That's for sure. We need a defensive staff fighter to counter all the sword/projectile users.

That's a good point, I just think she sucks as a character. At least Slippy is useful in the sense that he's smart. Krystal is just Fox's love interest. Boring.

[Peanut]

Krystal is nothing but furry fan-service. If she gets in...well...let's just say she doesn't deserve it. There are SO many more deserving characters who should get in before her.

[Mecha Cow]

I'd honestly rather have f*cking Cloud in the game than Krystal.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/DK_DIDDY_BANNED.jpg

[Peanut]

I'd honestly rather have f*cking Cloud in the game than Krystal.

I'm in complete agreement.

[Cure]

I'm in complete agreement.

Thirded. /10 characters

[Dr. Doom]

I know you, of all people, would hate it if she replaced Falco. I know I would.

I'm not really considering it at the moment, I guess. Trying to remain hopeful and optimistic and all that.

[Deathknight]

Considering they don't want clones, I don't think Krystal is going to happen. There really isn't much they could do for her in terms of a character except give her moves similiar to Fox. I'm betting assist trophy if anything.

[Dr. Doom]

Wouldn't she fight with a staff? Also, where did they ever say they don't want clones?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm honestly thinking clones will come in the form of alternate costumes/models. You know, Peach/Daisey/Rosalina or Mario/Dr. Mario or Fox/Wolf or Sonic/Shadow. It makes a lot of sense and would cover a lot of fan service with little work and without taking up any extra room on the roaster.

[Mecha Cow]

It doesn't look like there will be alternate costumes, just palette swaps. A shame, really.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm thinking he wouldn't drop something like that in a demo.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, maybe. I'm hoping for at least one alternate costume per character (Come on, you can't have Wario without his classic outfit), but I'm not holding my breath.

[Dr. Doom]

I had also thought that maybe it just wasn't in the demo. It seems ridiculous to me that there wouldn't be any alternate models at this point.

[Deathknight]

I got the impression that they don't want clones since they're getting rid of all of the clones featured in Melee.

[Dr. Doom]

We don't really have any true confirmation of that.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, maybe. I'm hoping for at least one alternate costume per character (Come on, you can't have Wario without his classic outfit), but I'm not holding my breath.

I haven't seen any moves for Wario that are "Wario Ware" specific. Honestly, alternate costumes are too easy of an implementation not to include. Soul Calibur has a ton per character and its way more complicated than Smash Bros. I'm pretty hopeful.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The news just broke on the dojo. Now its all over the web. Apprently we know what the delay must have been for now. Sweet lord....


CUSTOM STAGES!!

Megaton? Hell no. Gigaton? Hell no. Frankly, there isn't a word in the online vocabulary to describe just what a revelation this is.

Tonight I say a prayer for Masahiro Sakurai .

[Ra]

How about "holy frickin' shat!"? I'm using that one.

HOLY FRICKIN' SHAT!!

This is just making me want to get a Wii for this baby more and more...

[ThirdMarioBro]

I have a word.


FAPATON!!!!!

[Mecha Cow]

Holy sh*t, they actually did it. Best game ever?

[Cure]

Uh...custom stages are cool, but I'm not drooling over it. Am I missing something?