SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Peanut]

Uh...custom stages are cool, but I'm not drooling over it. Am I missing something?

No. I got pretty excited when I first saw the entry, but then as I read it and looked at the screens, it pretty much diminished my excitement. It's pretty awesome they're including it, but it does seem like all you're doing is putting generic blocks on a background. They look more like single-player levels than actual battle stages.

Pretty cool, but a huge deal? rofl...no.

It's like Forge in Halo 3. Everyone made a huge f*cking deal about it, and it's basically amounted to absolutely nothing.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't think you guys are seeing the big penis-shaped picture here.

[Peanut]

I don't think you guys are seeing the big penis-shaped picture here.

I've played enough games online to come across my fair share of user-made phallic content. Dicks online is old news.

[Mecha Cow]

Are you saying penes no longer excite you? That's gay.

[愛]

Or....not gay? Wait, I'm confused.

[Dr. Doom]

If it's at least as good as the level editor in Timesplitters 2, it'll keep me busy for a while.

[Mecha Cow]

Or....not gay? Wait, I'm confused.

I was being ironic!

[愛]

I know you were being ironic! I was being.......I don't know!

[Mecha Cow]

Moronic...?

[愛]

Yes, that's the word I was searching for! Thank you.....WAIT A SECOND! I AM NOT A MORON!

[Peanut]

Ziing!

"The extra 'I' is for extra Zing!"

[Ra]

Yes, that's the word I was searching for! Thank you.....WAIT A SECOND! I AM NOT A MORON!
That made me lol so hard... :lol:

[Cure]

Classic mode. How exciting.

[Dinny]

The coins were the most interesting part of today's update...

[Peanut]

The coins were the most interesting part of today's update...

Really? I mean...trophies? Isn't that obvious?

[Dinny]

Really? I mean...trophies? Isn't that obvious?

That's the point. It's boring and that's the most interesting part for me. In other words I was extremely disappointed with today's update.

[Dr. Doom]

They can't all be winners.

[Peanut]

Well...at leas it tops "You must recover!" and Spicy Curry.

And has anyone been to the GameFAQs boards for Brawl lately? It's hilarious. There's this new fad that's made Captain Falcon out to be the next Chuck Norris, complete with his own line of Smash Bros. inspired jokes. There's also a lot of talking about his manly nipples.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm lazy. Could you please post a link?

[Ra]

Latest update - On-Screen Appearances.

...yeah...nothing really worth mentioning, is there? :ohwell:

So, in the meantime, why not make a Brawl-themed energy drink? (http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=39179466)

[Deathknight]

I've heard that Wave dashing is officially gone from Brawl. Apparently, you can no longer control your air dodge thus making wave dashing impossible. I had a feeling they'd do something like this. Though I don't have proof to confirm this, it's just what I've heard from people who played the beta.

[Cure]

I've heard that Wave dashing is officially gone from Brawl. Apparently, you can no longer control your air dodge thus making wave dashing impossible. I had a feeling they'd do something like this. Though I don't have proof to confirm this, it's just what I've heard from people who played the beta.

Yeah, I've heard that, too. Glad they fixed it.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Good. I tire of "hardcore tactics" in a Melee brawler.

[Deathknight]

Well, if you watch Pros, they don't wavedash a lot. It's not really all that useful, it's only good for mindgames. Tournament play is mostly about knowing your combos and proper timing. Not really going to miss wavedashing but losing it came at a price. I loved being able to control my airdodge, it was very handy being able to dodge up for extra height or just to confuse someone when trying to get back on the stage. I think it would've been smarter if they had made it so you didn't instantly recover if you hit the ground from an airdodge thus getting rid of wavedashing but keeping the element of controlling your airdodge.

[Mecha Cow]

Mini-Megaton? Gray Fox is an assist. I guess that pretty much confirms Tails will be one as well.

[Peanut]

It certainly opens up the floodgates. Tails AT confirmed.

I find a lot of his wording in this update a little strange. The fact that he openly admits at wishing he were a playable character is pretty odd. Probably just Sakurai being honest in his comments again, though.

[Cure]

Yeah, it's like "Uh...aren't you the one...making the game? You could of made him playable if you wanted!" He's just a big tease is what he is.

[Cure]

There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.

I guess Ness is really out.

[Peanut]

Lucas even has two of the exact same moves. Ness is finished.

[Deathknight]

Aggrivates me so much, I loved Ness. He was such a fun character to play.

[Cure]

Aggrivates me so much, I loved Ness. He was such a fun character to play.

...but...Lucas is practically the same character. That's the point.

[Dr. Doom]

Subtle differences mean a lot to Smash players, I guess you could say.

[Mecha Cow]

Wow, a stage that we already knew about. Pretty boring week.

[Dr. Doom]

I think Gray Fox has been the most exciting thing we've seen.

[Peanut]

I think Grey Fox has been the most exciting thing we've seen,

This week? Easily.

Pretty average week, but we did get some really exciting ones for awhile there, so we can't complain too much.

[Deathknight]

They have the same B moves but I like the distance on the psy moves, that's what made Ness so good. Lucas doesn't have those moves.

[Mecha Cow]

Ness was good? Not in Melee he wasn't.

[Dr. Doom]

Well that's incredibly subjective.

[Mecha Cow]

I thought the common consensus was that Ness got nerfed to hell in Melee.

[Dr. Doom]

I guess I dunno, I never really used him that much in Melee.

[Deathknight]

Ness is a bad character due to defensive weaknesses. However, I was still good with him and he was one of my characters of choice in low tier tournys. I find it very enjoyable to play as him even though he's nothing to what he was in the original.

[Dr. Doom]

I think we have a new worst update ever.

I suppose I shouldn't be complaining though, I really do appreciate that they're updating it every weekday with SOMETHING.

[Peanut]

Wow. You're totally right. LOLZ!

Worst update yet, but with all the below average updates so far, it leads me to believe we'll be getting a veteran character update at some point this week.

[Mecha Cow]

This is even lamer than the stickers...Where is my character update, damn it?

[Dr. Doom]

If that's the case, my money's on Captain Falcon.

[Deathknight]

Man, honestly who the hell cares that you can be a spectator? I wouldn't allow it anyway because it would slow down the connection.

[Mecha Cow]

Wow. Ice Climbers Final Smash. A lot of people were expecting Mega Man today (Because of some Capcom event or whatever); they sure are gonna be disappointed. :lol:

[Deathknight]

I'd be suprised if Mega Man made Smash. I really wouldn't think he'd fit in too well with the cast, but that's my opinion. Anyway, enough friggen stupid ass final smash updates, I don't care about them, I want character or NEW stage updates!

[Mecha Cow]

After so many lame updates, there has to be a megaton coming soon...right?

[Cure]

After so many lame updates, there has to be a megaton coming soon...right?

I don't think so. My theory is he's stretching the updates thin due to the delay.

[Peanut]

Agreed. This is all because of the delay. I'd say if it never happened, we would have already had some awesome updates in the last couple weeks. He's stalling right now, easy as that.

And people are always going on about some stupid sh*t he'll update with because of a certain day. Just like they expected something huge on his birthday, Mewtwo for the 150th update etc etc. It just keeps going with these people.

[Mecha Cow]

Actually, he did reveal the Subspace Whatever single player mode on his birthday, I think.

[Deathknight]

Pff... smart bomb which we already knew about and also training mode. Another what I like to call "fake" update. It's been well over 2 weeks since they added a character to the roster, wtf. These updates have been retarded, I don't care if the game has been delayed or not. The least they could do is give us a decent update once a week.

[Dinny]

Boring update but I kind of like how the smart bomb you throw may end up being a dud and not explode. Should add to the anarchy of a match.

[Mecha Cow]

This update was lame, but the screenshot of Diddy Kong and Lucas on fire almost made it worth it.

[Cure]

Pff... smart bomb which we already knew about and also training mode. Another what I like to call "fake" update. It's been well over 2 weeks since they added a character to the roster, wtf. These updates have been retarded, I don't care if the game has been delayed or not. The least they could do is give us a decent update once a week.

I agree that updates have been less than stellar, but the least they could do is not give any updates at all. I know it's been said many times, but still. These updates have spoiled people.

[Deathknight]

OMG, who would've thought you'd be able to change the color of your character?! That's only been in the game since Smash 64. Though I suppose it's cool that there are 6 now instead of just 4. Still a lame "update" though.

[The Shelf]

At least they're updating with something. Starcraft 2 started out updating once a week, now you're lucky to get one a month. Just sit back and enjoy the ride... and quit acting like ungrateful, spoiled children. :P ;)

[Mecha Cow]

Well, so much for the game having alternate costumes. Not a huge deal, but still a shame. Also, in addition to the awesome *cough* Dark Link, we now have Dark Fox and Dark Zelda as well, apparently.

[Peanut]

I'm getting a very whiny, ungrateful, spoiled brat vibe from the last couple weeks of posts in this thread.

[Mecha Cow]

Eh, less-then-stellar updates are still better than nothing.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm not as disappointed by the lack of actual alternate costumes as one would expect, I guess because we saw evidence of this a while ago and had time to let it sink in. Still a bummer, but it also means that there's much more of a chance of cloned characters (like Dr. Mario, who I guess I just assumed would be a costume in this one) returning.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The chance of costumes is still there. I mean, hell--they could do it in Mario Sunshine with little to no effort and Soul Calibur. Don't knock it off until a week or so before release. I admit, the odds aren't good, but its such a brainless addition that has no effect on gameplay that it seems like a no brainer.

[Peanut]

The chance of costumes is still there.

No, it isn't.

[Deathknight]

I'm getting a very whiny, ungrateful, spoiled brat vibe from the last couple weeks of posts in this thread.

Indeed, cause the past couple of weeks has been crap updates. I'd rather have no updates than worthless ones.

[Cure]

Indeed, cause the past couple of weeks has been crap updates. I'd rather have no updates than worthless ones.

Wow. Spoiled, indeed.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm still grateful for something every day.

[Peanut]

HAHAHA! Widescreen support! SO BAD!

[Cure]

The new DK remix is pretty bad, too. It sounds like a bunch of garbled trash.

[Dr. Doom]

New worst update, I'd say, if you count the song and widescreen bits seperately. Together, the fact that there's a new song there, even if it's crummy, puts it at least one step above the handicap update.

[Deathknight]

Man, all I want is a character update. If it hadn't been delayed it would be coming out next week and the last character added was Dedede which was well over 3 weeks ago. You can't tell me that's the end of the roster, I really want them to announce more returning characters.

[Peanut]

They've still got weeks and weeks of updates to go. That's why we're getting all of this stuff.

[The Shelf]

You can't tell me that's the end of the roster, I really want them to announce more returning characters.

Haha, I'm willing to bet we've only seen half the roster so far, seriously. That doesn't mean they have to post them all on their site between now and the release day, though. When does this come out in Japan, again? We'll know everything there is to know when that happens.

[Cure]

You know, I kinda like the transformation final smashes (Giga Bowser, Super Sonic, Yoshi, and now Wario) more than the one time attack ones (Mario, Link, Lucas). Well, they seem cooler anyway.

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa, today's update isn't too exciting, but it's a pretty big announcement. I guess we won't have to worry about the new 'floating background' levels because Brawl will have a number of levels from Melee as well. The amount of effort going into this game is amazing.

[Peanut]

I wouldn't exactly call copies of old stages effort.

What really surprised me about the update was the huge graphical overhaul the stage got. /sarcasm

[Dr. Doom]

Well it's not exactly progress, but I always liked the stage, so I'm not complaining.

[Ra]

Same here. Probably one of the best stages in Melee, if I may be so bold. Lovely rework of it, as well.

[Deathknight]

I'm really hoping for some stages from 64 to come back too. Hyrule Castle and Saffron City are the main ones I hope come back.
Other stages I want to come back:
Corneria
Dreamland 64
Kongo Jungle 64
Pokemon Stadium
Final Destination
Battlefield
Fountain of Dreams

[Ra]

Pst, they already brought back Pokemon Stadium...just so you know.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage11.html

[Dr. Doom]

S'not the same one. Thus the 2.

[Mecha Cow]

Battlefield was the first stage to be announced...

[Dr. Doom]

Again, it's a different stage than the previous one, even if only aesthetically. Though I suppose it would make a past battlefeild wholly obsolete.

FYI, I've always kinda hated the Battlefeild layout.

[Mecha Cow]

It's the same stage, just with a different skin and background.

It's not my favorite stage either, but I guess it's a pretty decent 'basic' level.

[Peanut]

A pallet swap doesn't make it different, Doom.

[Dr. Doom]

As I said, it's a cosmetic difference. Going on about this any further is just arguing logistics, which I have no particular interest in doing, so let's just leave it at that.

[Cure]

Real men use items. ROFL!

[Mecha Cow]

Real men don't play Peach! They play manly characters, like that dude Samus.

[Peanut]

Shouldn't tomorrow have been the day we'd be all be playing this game online together? I weep over that fact.

[The Shelf]

I thought the reason the game got delayed was because they were adding online play... So, we would all be playing it, but I don't think we would have been playing online. I could be wrong, though, I'm just going off memory.

[Peanut]

There was no specific reason for the delay.

Either way, we'd at least all be playing it tomorrow.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The reason probably had to do with the fact that--though they tried--Nintendo couldn't fight the instinct to delay a first party game to another place on the fiscal calender because it was coming out a couple weeks off Galaxy. Its like a knee-jerk reaction to them. Delay, delay, delay.

I just hope we really got some new content out of it.

[Cure]

We'll never know what the delay was for, though. We can guess forever but I doubt they'll state a reason.

[The Shelf]

Okay, let me put it this way then. For the longest time the dudes in charge said Brawl would not have online play. Now it does. I don't know when it was announced, and I don't know exactly when the delay was announced, but I imagine the announcements were pretty close to each other. Being a programmer myself and having a fairly good idea of how much time it takes to develop smooth, reliable online multiplayer, the length of the delay and the fact that online play wasn't originally supposed to be in the game leads me to believe that online play is the major reason for the delay (though there may have been a few other minor reasons as well).

Not that it's very important, though. I'm just saying...

[Peanut]

But online play WAS originally supposed to be in the game. It was stated at the very beginning, then Sakurai said "it would be hard" to make it run smoothly, but they were still working on it, and then the delay came, and then it was announced officially sometime afterwards.

But still, it doesn't matter. My point was we could have been playing it in a single day, as opposed to having to continue to wait.

[Deathknight]

Actually it was announced before the delay.

[Peanut]

ORLY!?! Well then, I stand corrected.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Returning Pokemon? Why not just make an update about "Returning Food"? That would be almost as boring as this.

[Mecha Cow]

Yikes, those are some nasty models. Looks like they just reused the ones from Melee, which in turn were reused from the N64 Stadium games.

[Peanut]

HAHA! Those are seriously high-end 64 models. Hilarious! Who wants to place bet on how much further he'll be able to stretch these updates?

[Spitfire]

Aw well I guess no Ganondorf. I'll have to find a new favorite.

[Mecha Cow]

As said several times, Ganondorf has already unofficially been confirmed for Brawl. Just don't expect him to appear on the website since he will probably be a secret character.

[Deathknight]

Returning Pokemon? Why not just make an update about "Returning Food"? That would be almost as boring as this.
I'm sure it's coming at this rate

[ThirdMarioBro]

I just want Captain Doug Falcon dammit. *sigh*


Anyway, that song from X on the site is pretty cool. It would make for a pretty good "Race to the finish!" song.

[Cure]

Music from games not associated with Smash sounds interesting.

[Peanut]

He's seriously talking about how to get a Smash Ball now? Something we've known forever? I will now begin to agree with everyone else that this is total bullsh*t at this point.

[Ra]

HAHA! Those are seriously high-end 64 models. Hilarious! Who wants to place bet on how much further he'll be able to stretch these updates?
Right now I'm giving him another two weeks tops. All the updates are starting to lack in good content. The Pokemon one had me laughing, though.

[Dr. Doom]

Doug? Really?

Music updates are alright by me. Hopefully those will continue to be peppered in there once in a while since there's gonna be so much music in the game.

[Barkworm]

European Super Smash Bros. Brawl not before summer!!! (http://www.videogamer.com/news/06-12-2007-7051.html)

It doesn't matter because there are so many awesome Wii games coming before that. Like, uh..... WII CHESS!!!

[Deathknight]

He's seriously talking about how to get a Smash Ball now? Something we've known forever? I will now begin to agree with everyone else that this is total bullsh*t at this point.

Actually, one SMALL good thing came out of this. He confirmed that you can turn off smash balls with item switch. That makes me happy because I know I'll have the option to have them on when I'm feeling silly and off when I'm playing competitively. I was worried that they would be idiots and make it so you couldn't turn it off, this is a big relief to me.

[Mecha Cow]

European Super Smash Bros. Brawl not before summer!!!
God damn it. That's...not fair.

[Peanut]

Oh, wow. That's f*cking inexcusable. Nintendo is really REALLY bad with releasing games...like...terrible.

[Dr. Doom]

Lame. Sorry guys.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Donkeyc**k. That's just lazy. Poor Europeans always get the sh*t end of the stick. Sorry guys. :(

[Pepzi]

I've been waiting for news on this game for a while. sweet as to hear that sonic is making his second official appearance with Mario in a game. But having a Pokemon trainer in the game, well I have to say I wasn't expecting it.

[愛]

There will be no disconnecting homnos in Brawl! (http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-smash-bros%27-brawl/ssbbs-answer-to-disconnects-331227.php)

This is pretty awesome, and also saddening at the same time. I won't get to say "HA! WHAT A NUB!" when someone disconnects when he's about to lose. :(

[Cure]

There will be no disconnecting homnos in Brawl! (http://kotaku.com/gaming/super-smash-bros%27-brawl/ssbbs-answer-to-disconnects-331227.php)

This is pretty awesome, and also saddening at the same time. I won't get to say "HA! WHAT A NUB!" when someone disconnects when he's about to lose. :(

I dunno, it seems like a good idea, but there should be SOME notification at least when they drop.

[Peanut]

I don't see why. It's not like it matters at all. Because of the complete anonymity, you're basically playing with CPU's anyways.

[Mecha Cow]

Nah, unless the AI is significantly improved from Melee, there should still be a noticeable difference between human and CPU players.

So, this time I’m moving in the direction of not being too hung up on hidden characters.
Also, does this mean he's going to start revealing hidden characters? Or maybe he already has...!

[Peanut]

Nah, unless the AI is significantly improved from Melee, there should still be a noticeable difference between human and CPU players.

I seriously doubt it. You give 10-year-old kids too much credit.

[Deathknight]

Pff, lottery on which items are on and stage, I'd much rather you just search for someone with items off rather than a lottery decide it. It's going to destroy the feeling of online play. People who like items are going to get stuck against someone competitive who wants items off and vice versa, thus no one will be happy even though it will rotate. I really don't like that idea. Also, there's nothing about choosing how many people you want to play with. I hate 4 player matches and 3 player is even worse. I just want to play one other person, I don't want to be forced to play a FFA. Really, really BAD idea.

[Mecha Cow]

How is it a bad idea? No-one is 'forcing' you to do anything. Just don't use the damn function and play with people on your friend list if it bothers you so much. Christ.

[Dr. Doom]

Just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

[Deathknight]

I want to play new people though thus I want a function that finds random people but I want to do 1v1s and no items mostly. Basically, I feel that doing it this way puts a large limit on my enjoyment of the online play.

[Peanut]

No one cares. The people who play Smash Bros competitively need to be stuffed into a locker, anyways. Not that they probably already weren't in high school.

[Deathknight]

I have my right of opinion in how I play. As I respect your opinion of liking to play with items or whatever. Everyone should be entitled to play the way they want to, that's what I'm saying. I wouldn't force you to play 1v1 with no items if you didn't want to so neither should the game.

[Ra]

Since when is it forcing? The last time I checked, it was an option. You can go online if you want to, or you can fight your friends or CPUs...or, if you wanted to, play 1v1 with no items. Unless I missed something... :ohwell:

[Deathknight]

It may force you to do it if you want to play random people online. I want to play random people online, but I want to play people who play competitively for the most part thus no items. Plus what good is playing CPUs? CPUs are so pathetic, they'll just walk into your charged smash attacks all day long no matter how high level.

[Dr. Doom]

Maybe the AI will be better in this one?

[Deathknight]

Possibly, but an AI is still not human. In every game ever made that has it, the AI cheats. For example, a level 9 comp in Melee can reflect with their shield almost everything perfectly every time. No human can do that, not even the pros.
Edit instead of double post: Wow, another pokemon that's going to appear in a pokeball once in awhile, keep the stalling up guys.

[Ra]

New update with rotation. I like the idea behind it all, but...eh...just another small update... :ohwell: At least they haven't run out of things to update about yet.

[Peanut]

Are you sure? It seems like they ran out of interesting things to talk about a month ago.

[Ra]

They have, no doubt about that. What I meant was "at least they still have things to update about, despite the fact that they suck".

'Cause it's true.

[Deathknight]

Rotation is a good idea but it's not like it matters that much.

[Peanut]

I haven't lol'd this hard at a Smash update EVER! OH, BOY! OPTIONS!

The slider moves left and right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, Sakurai! Pertinent information right there!

[Peanut]

YAY! A stage updated!

Mario Kart stage looks cool! That gives us 18 "new" stages for Brawl thus far, how many more do you think we'll get? We've still yet to see a Sonic stage and there hasn't been a new Kirby stage yet, some I'm guessing we'll get at least those two.

[Ra]

I'm putting my money on either 20 or 21. If we are getting a Sonic stage and a Kirby stage in the game, that makes 20, as most of us are well aware of. I'm hoping that there will be another new stage at the ready, but otherwise it will be 20 brand spankin' new stages. Not a bad number, considering there are going to be old stages from Melee to play on along with the new ones. So that should give us at the very least 25...maybe 30 stages in total? But yeah, not a bad number.

You know what I realized? I shouldn't be here, since I don't have an intention of getting a Wii... :lol:

[Cure]

YAY! A stage updated!

Mario Kart stage looks cool! That gives us 18 "new" stages for Brawl thus far, how many more do you think we'll get? We've still yet to see a Sonic stage and there hasn't been a new Kirby stage yet, some I'm guessing we'll get at least those two.

I think you're forgetting the Halberd, unless you mean Kirby as a character and not a series. This stage looks fun as hell, though.

[Dr. Doom]

Not that my hopes were high for it, but I'da loved to have Waluigi as a playable character. Oh well.

[Mecha Cow]

Hey, this was a pretty good update. Assist trophies really are a convenient way of including characters that are cool but don't deserve to be playable characters, like these two.

[Peanut]

Agreed. I like seeing the various assist trophies.

[Cure]

I'm really diggin' that Earthbound joint. It has an old-school monster movie soundtrack feel to it.

[Deathknight]

Well, I hope everyone is ready to be upset because I have some bad news. It is unconfirmed of course, but Brawl may have been delayed again. According to Walmart, Brawl will now not come out until 3/28. I am going to be SO pissed if this is true. I'm praying they just made a mistake. Here's the link if anyone is interested http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6527131

[Dr. Doom]

Ugh...well, I don't see anything about it anywhere else, so hopefully it's just an error on their part.

EDIT: Yanno, it hadn't really occured to me yet, but we'll pretty much be able to find out anything we'd wanna know about the game as soon as it's released in Japan next month. It makes you wonder if the updates are going to stop at that point.

[Mecha Cow]

Today's update was pretty pointless, but Kirby-Snake looks hilarious.

Yanno, it hadn't really occured to me yet, but we'll pretty much be able to find out anything we'd wanna know about the game as soon as it's released in Japan next month.
I just hope I'll be able to avoid all the spoilers. x_X

[Tanner]

Thank god I have a Wii. I'll be pissed though if it's delayed AGAIN. >_<

[Dr. Doom]

I haven't seen anything else about a delay so far.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm a little confused by this update...I'm not sure if they're saying this is a seperate character with a seperate slot or if it's a costume option, since he doesn't appear on the charcaters page with everyone else. On the one hand, if it is a seperate character, it gives me more hope that my old favorite character Falco would appear in the game once again. On the other hand, of it's a costume option, this will mean that one of my hopes for this game may not have been squandered after all.

[Barkworm]

Everyone can change colors, of course. But Wario alone is special...
Choose him just like you would any of the other characters. This outfit appears after the six standard color variations.
There are no questions left, are there?

[Mecha Cow]

The update is pretty clear on it being an alternate outfit. It also makes a point of mentioning this is for Wario alone, but I'm still secretly hoping for other characters getting the same treatment. Nice update either way.

[Dr. Doom]

This outfit appears after the six standard color variations.

I reckon I glazed over this part, somehow. Oh well, maybe more people will still have alternate costumes.

[Deathknight]

Glad that you'll be able to use Wario in his old school outfit, never really was a big fan of the new one. Still, not really a worthwhile update.

[Peanut]

I hate the old purple and yellow Wario outfit, but it's still cool that it's available. He's just feels too cheap in his old costume. At least he's got his own style and character in his WarioWare outfit.

[愛]

I remember back on Melee, I used to call Dr. Mario with the black outfit "Street Pharmacist Dr. Mario." ROFL

[Dr. Doom]

Dude, **** yes, old school Sonic music. I hope they have some stuff from 1 and 2 in there as well.

[Krang]

I've always been a fan of the music from the Sonic games on the Genesis, so it's good to hear music from Sonic 3 in there (I also like the new arrangement of the song). Hopefully they will include a few more tracks, including, as Doom suggested, ones from the first two games.

[Dr. Doom]

My friend had suggested that Casino Night Zone would make a perfect stage, and I can't help but agree.

[Deathknight]

I would've preferred Green Hill Zone or Spring Yard Zone but nice Angel Island remix.

[Cure]

Hahaha, oh man. They even have a Pokemon-like thing. (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/modea11.html)

[Mecha Cow]

We'll be playing this game for ages. :lol:

[Cure]

That new item, the Dragoon, is pretty hardcore, but I don't recognize it. The symbol suggests it's from a Kirby game, but which one? It seems like it's from Canvas Curse cuz of the multi-colored tail, but I dunno.

EDIT: Never mind. It said air ride machine and I forgot that he had a game called Air Ride. Duh on me.

[Deathknight]

Boo, no updates for a week. They'd better come back with an awesome one next week.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The only update that would satisfy me is them not delaying the game to March 28 like that Wal-Mart fueled rumor I'm hearing says, but seeing that Nintendo nearly always delays January/February releases to March to get it at the start of their fiscal year, I have little hope otherwise.

[Deathknight]

The Wal-Mart rumor was confirmed false.

[Dr. Doom]

Well hot damn.

[Cure]

Some new info about Brawl.

We got more translations coming in with more Brawl info. WeeklyJumpman did a bunch of translating on some japanese forums and blogs and discovered more info. Here it is:

# It seems that if you "pass" a mini-game on the WarioWare stage, you heal slightly. <--Seems a bit odd to me, personally.
# Wario had his original overalls as a costume at Jump Festa.
# Meta Knight has a Kirby (pink) colored costume.
# Sothe, from Fire Emblem I believe, is an assist trophy. I guess he's supposed to use knives in the game, but doesn't in Brawl. Instead he does a somersault kick.
# NEW MUSIC! Animal Crossing Main Theme, Balloon Fight's Balloon Trip music, and WarioWare Main Theme. I have no idea what WarioWare's main theme is, unless they mean Ashley's theme?
# When you start a match, the background music is displyed.
# As seen on the Dojo, Wario-Man's bike is very fast and it's easy to SD with it.
# More info on Sandbag Item: You beat him up, and items come out as you hit him.
# The WarioWare stage features over 8 minigames, including "Don't Move".
# Level 9 computers are still weak, according to some people.
# Bowser and Kirby seem to be getting more and more praise for how much they have improved over their Melee forms.
# MORE MUSIC CONFIRMED: Yoshi's Island has songs called "Ending BGM" and "Athletic". Norfair has "Brinstar BGM", "Samus's Theme", and "Metroid Ending Theme". Bridge of Eldin has "Great Bay".
# Snake's Remote Mine (Down Smash) varies in damage from 10-20%.
# Kirby's new Dash Move is named "Gazer Spiral". It's being refered to as the yo-yo attack, but does not involve a yo-yo of any kind

So yeah. Athletic theme confirmed. (For Doom and TMB).

[Dr. Doom]

**** yeah! Where's this from?

[Peanut]

So yeah. Athletic theme confirmed. (For Doom and TMB).

**** you, Mexican! What about Barkworm and myself? The two people on this forum who praise Yoshi's Island more than anybody!?

And that info is boring! When does Brawl hit in Japan, anyways? I want some REAL information.

[Dr. Doom]

24th, I think.

[愛]

Wikipedia says the 24th. Those bastards. They always get the good stuff first! What about the global releases they do sometimes?! This is worthy of one!

[Dr. Doom]

I know we've gotten some good stuff before them, some Japanese stuff even, I just can't remember what it was.

EDIT: It was both Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 that I was remembering, I think. Both of those were out here like a month before Japan.

[Peanut]

I thought you said good stuff.

[Dr. Doom]

You're right, I should have said GREAT stuff.

How about "generally well received"? In that unobtrusive enough?

[Peanut]

Just one time...give me a "swoosh" or a "ba-zing"...something. Help me out here.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yoshi's Island Athletic? Cool, but screw it. Yoshi's Island ENDING!?!?! AKA the best ending theme to ever come out of Nintendo?!?!? Now THAT is some freaking awesome in a caffeinated can.

That game is god.

[Peanut]

I will disagree and say that the SMB3 ending theme was the greatest ending theme ever made. That and the utterly epic TP ending theme.

And are we also sure that this isn't the Yoshi's STORY ending theme we've already heard (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music02.html) about?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I will disagree and say that the SMB3 ending theme was the greatest ending theme ever made. That and the utterly epic TP ending theme.

And are we also sure that this isn't the Yoshi's STORY ending theme we've already heard (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/music/music02.html) about?

Oh dear lord, now you've got the singing Yoshi's in my head.

"Eeee ehhhh ohhhhhhh" "Eeee ehhhh ohhhhhhhh!"


KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHNNNNNN!!!!!!!

SMB3's ending theme is an immortal classic, and so is TP's, but I can't place anything over Yoshi's Island's ending. The music, story sequence, and ending fanfare were simply melded together too perfectly to be surpassed.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, the game is being printed in Japan as we speak, so leaks could be coming any day now. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going on Spoiler Alert©.

I ain't saying stuff like music is spoiler-y, but once it gets to unlockable characters and such, can we agree to use them spoiler tags?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, we'll use spoiler tags from this point onward. I don't intend of trying to keep from spoiling myself though. When it leaks, its going to be all over the place.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm not sure, but I think I'm gonna just be going straight for the info when it comes out.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Amen to that.

[Peanut]

Yeah, I had heard about the majority of the secret characters before I got Melee, but that didn't ruin the game at all. Knowing they're in there isn't the same as having to do whatever it is you need to get them, and then getting to play with them and check out their moves.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The one thing I won't do however is play a demo of any kind. Seriously, if they threw one up on the Wii Shop tomorrow (no chance in hell, but still), I wouldn't touch it with a three foot pole. I don't want to ruin the experience of breaking out Smash Bros.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm happy to see a couple of these stages, specifically Yoshi's Island. That was always one of my favorite places to fight in Melee.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage21/stage21_080107a.jpg

Indeed. That just brings a big 'ole smile to my face. That was actually the one Melee stage I wanted in Brawl, so everything else is just icing on the cake. :)

Super Mario World was the first video game I physically owned. I had played and beaten everything that came before, but it was on other people's machines, so SMW holds a special place for me.

[Peanut]

Super Mario World was the first video game I physically owned. I had played and beaten everything that came before, but it was on other people's machines, so SMW holds a special place for me.

You're....a fraud. A complete...fraud.

ANYWAYS, Yoshi's Island being one of the past stages is AWESOME! That was probably one of my most played Melee stages, along side Corneria, which was also on the list. The only other stage I could really ask for is Great Bay, but I'm still completely satisfied with the past stages made available.

That gives us a total of 19 confirmed new stages and 6 confirmed past stages, compared to the 26 new stages in Melee and 3 past stages.

The sheer amount of content in this game CONTINUES to amaze the hell out of me, and it's amazing that that's still happening.

[愛]

Super Mario World was the first video game I physically owned. I had played and beaten everything that came before, but it was on other people's machines, so SMW holds a special place for me.

ThirdMarioBro? More like "TooLateMarioBro." Seriously, man. Terrible.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The only other stage I could really ask for is Great Bay, but I'm still completely satisfied with the past stages made available.

"Great Bay" was on that translated list of songs posted a couple of days back. Now whether that refers to Majora's Mask, or to the Melee stage I don't know.

ThirdMarioBro? More like "TooLateMarioBro." Seriously, man. Terrible.

Hey, I was a poor kid. It was either mooch off rich friends for my Nintendo fix, or learn to entertain myself with my wanker at an earlier age. I chose the former. Heck, I played more games than they did so I have nothing to complain about.

[Ra]

At least you got to play the damn thing. Unlike me. I didn't even exist then...although I've always wanted to play video games from a young age. My parents didn't even want to buy me a '64 when I was 6...it lead to me being lost, confused, and only able to watch TV to quell my growing boredom... :cry:

The sheer amount of content in this game CONTINUES to amaze the hell out of me, and it's amazing that that's still happening.
You and me both. Last month I thought that they had run out of things to update about until now. Especially considering that Rainbow Ride and Yoshi's Island were favorite stages of mine whenever I got to play Melee...

[Mecha Cow]

And the best part is that even if you're somehow still not satisfied with the available stages, you can just create your own. Damn it, I want this game now.

[Cure]

I agree, bringing back all these past stages is off the meat rack, yo.

[愛]

Off the meat rack? Don't message me on MSN anymore. :|

[Peanut]

I don't know WHERE he gets half of those damn sayings. Seriously.

[Cure]

I'm from the streets, man. That's how I roll.

[愛]

Dude, I live in Philly, and I have NEVER heard that phrase...ever. You're making all of this up!

[Cure]

So what if I am?! I'm expressing my creativity by coming up with ridiculous phrases.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You and me both. Last month I thought that they had run out of things to update about until now. Especially considering that Rainbow Ride and Yoshi's Island were favorite stages of mine whenever I got to play Melee...

Nah, NoJ gives employees that time off every year.

[Cure]

Nah, NoJ gives employees that time off every year.

I think she meant in the sense that the updates were crappy and of things no one cared about.

[Deathknight]

Really happy to see Corneria come back. Really disappointed to see Onett come back, I HATE that stage. I really don't like the layout of that level at all and I also greatly prefer traditional stages that have ledges. Hopefully there's going to be some more Melee stages coming back or even better, some 64 stages.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, what really makes me happy about the classic stages is that they will feel new again with the new characters, but more importantly, the music has been touched up. Like the Temple (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/stage18.html) for example. Its got the same theme as before, same instrumentation, and everything--but the music team added a whole new section to the song before it transcends back to the familiar theme.

It's the little touches like that which I appreciate.

[Peanut]

Really happy to see Corneria come back. Really disappointed to see Onett come back, I HATE that stage. I really don't like the layout of that level at all and I also greatly prefer traditional stages that have ledges. Hopefully there's going to be some more Melee stages coming back or even better, some 64 stages.

Yes, we get it. You just like the same plain sh*t over and over. We know.

[Ra]

I think she meant in the sense that the updates were crappy and of things no one cared about.
Yep, that's the one. I really should have made that clearer... *ahem*

...Really disappointed to see Onett come back, I HATE that stage. I really don't like the layout of that level at all and I also greatly prefer traditional stages that have ledges.
At least you can make some traditional stages that are to your liking then. I, for one, liked Onett. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that. It got frustrating at times, sure, but it was a fun stage to play on. I've got some fond memories of Mewtwo being hit by a car and loosing a life off screen thanks to that stage.

[Deathknight]

Yes, we get it. You just like the same plain sh*t over and over. We know.
Depends on how much interference it actually causes. I don't mind stages like Rainbow Cruise or Mute City. They add a little spice to it by having some shifting but still have normal boundries. You just need to be on your toes a bit. I don't like it when it just totally screws things up thing like in Brinstar Depths the stage constantly completely changing to positions that will kill you really fast. Onett really annoys me mostly because of the center. The platforms are random and rapid infinites against the wall are so easy to pull off. Then it has very small off stage boundries so you either die or bounce off walls for ages after getting hit by a strong attack or car. I really find that really annoying. Onett is legal in tournaments though.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Also, I'm holding out a prayer for DLC. Sakurai came right out and said that you can transfer your custom stages to and from the SD card. To my knowledge, no other Wii game has utilized the ability to use the SD card as an external storage medium for anything other than custom music. That leaves the door open to DLC, at least as far as stages are concerned and the folks at HAL are totally capable of handling that even after Sakurai has moved on.

Seeing as this is the last Smash Bros., they may as well do it.

And I'm not complaining about recycling the old stages. In esecense, this is what Melee could have been like if they hadn't shotgunned the game out the door in 11 months. It only makes sense to carry over what the team got right the first time around.

And if Onett is included, Ness has to be at least an unlockable. There is still hope.

[Dr. Doom]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various21/various21_080108b.jpg

This fighting stance look familiar to anyone else?

[Peanut]

Faalcoon....PAWNCH!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Faalcoon....PAWNCH!

:lol: :lol:

The homo in tights with gold nipples is confirmed!

[Peanut]

And is it just me, or does the yellow alloy look a lot like an Animal Crossing villager?

I think that's just my super wishful thinking. :(

[ThirdMarioBro]

You're not the only one. Tons of people are pointing that out

[Dr. Doom]

Based on the build of the character I'm thinking it probably just has like Mario's moves.

[Cure]

Based on the build of the character I'm thinking it probably just has like Mario's moves.

Way to shatter Peanut's dreams, DREAM CRUSHER.

[Dr. Doom]

Happy to help.

[ThirdMarioBro]

A captain has joined the ranks of Brawl, and its not Captain Falcon! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)

[Mecha Cow]

I was expecting Olimar, but it's nice to see him confirmed.

[Peanut]

YES! Olimar is awesome! Yet another terrific addition to this game already overflowing with epic win.

[Cure]

I've never played Pikmin (always wanted to, though), but it's cool to see another character with a unique play style. He should be fun.

[Dr. Doom]

I guess it's nice that this is good news for most people. I never had a drop of interest in either Pikmin game, so it's kinda hard for me to be excited about him. I suppose I have to see how he plays, though.

[Krueger]

A captain has joined the ranks of Brawl, and its not Captain Falcon! (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html)

Please... what a useless character this guy is. I'm dreaming of the day we get the Captain Falcon confirmation.

[Mecha Cow]

How could you possibly know whether he's useless or not? Regardless, with the exception of bullsh*t characters like Krystal, I'd say the more the merrier.

*E* And of course Cpt. Falcon is back, it just seems he's just been made an unlockable again. The F-Zero icon and Red Alloy's stance are all the confirmation I need.

[Krueger]

How could you possibly know whether he's useless or not? Regardless, with the exception of bullsh*t characters like Krystal, I'd say the more the merrier.

*E* And of course Cpt. Falcon is back, it just seems he's just been made an unlockable again. The F-Zero icon and Red Alloy's stance are all the confirmation I need.

That is just a useless post on top of a useless character. First off you are contradicting yourself by calling a character useless and telling me I can't know someone is useless. Have you played Brawl already, sir?

Being that I played a game in the passed and didn't enjoy it and now that they have added someone from that game, makes him a useless character to me. It is simply my opinion.

And if you have been researching Brawl, there is no way of knowing Falcon is a unlockable character. I'm sure he will be playable but I won't be happy until it is official. If he is in the game, there is no way they would go back to making him an unlockable character. They wouldn't go backwards like that.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That is just a useless post on top of a useless character. First off you are contradicting yourself by calling a character useless and telling me I can't know someone is useless. Have you played Brawl already, sir?

Being that I played a game in the passed and didn't enjoy it and now that they have added someone from that game, makes him a useless character to me. It is simply my opinion.

And if you have been researching Brawl, there is no way of knowing Falcon is a unlockable character. I'm sure he will be playable but I won't be happy until it is official. If he is in the game, there is no way they would go back to making him an unlockable character. They wouldn't go backwards like that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/jesus-thanks-4-info.gif

[Deathknight]

What kind of game is Pikmin anyway? I've never played it or heard anything about it other than it unlocked a trophy in Melee if you had a save on your memory card.

[Peanut]

Pikmin is like...completely...original. I guess you could call it a mix between an Action/Strategy game. Basically, you control Olimar who can do a limited about of things; call Pikmin, pick Pikmin and throw Pikmin. You use the Pikmin to defeat enemies, collect items, solve puzzles, etc etc. Certain Pikmin have certain attributes that lends some deeper mechanics to the puzzles.

It's actually a really cool game, and it angers me to this day that I lent it to a friend in high school who never gave it back. I never played the second, but I plan to remedy that (and much more) sometime this weekend.

[Spitfire]

I liked Pikmin allot I thought it was great. Little plants that murder people with their heads.

[Mecha Cow]

That is just a useless post on top of a useless character. First off you are contradicting yourself by calling a character useless and telling me I can't know someone is useless. Have you played Brawl already, sir?

Being that I played a game in the passed and didn't enjoy it and now that they have added someone from that game, makes him a useless character to me. It is simply my opinion.

And if you have been researching Brawl, there is no way of knowing Falcon is a unlockable character. I'm sure he will be playable but I won't be happy until it is official. If he is in the game, there is no way they would go back to making him an unlockable character. They wouldn't go backwards like that.

What the f*ck are you talking about? I wasn't even attacking you or anything. You called Olimar a useless character, which I would assume means useless in the context of Smash Bros., something you could not possibly know before having played the game (you say this is not what you meant, so fair enough). I did not call Krystal useless, I called her a bullsh*t character because she basically is the worst character ever created. I wasn't speculating on her in-game performance, because I don't want to have her anywhere near Smash Bros.

And no sh*t I don't know for certain if Cpt. Falcon is unlockable or not. What I'm saying is that his inclusion seems extremely likely to me. Want to bet on it?

God, do I need to spell everything out for you?

[Deathknight]

mmm, perhaps I should try Pikmin then, I could probably score one used at Gamestop.

[Mecha Cow]

You should get the second one, I understand the first has several flaws that are fixed in the sequel.

I've never played the first but I own Pikmin 2. It's a pretty nice game but I got bored with the slow pace after a while. I had to delete my save file so I never finished it, maybe I should pick it up again someday.

[Krueger]

What the f*ck are you talking about? I wasn't even attacking you or anything. You called Olimar a useless character, which I would assume means useless in the context of Smash Bros., something you could not possibly know before having played the game (you say this is not what you meant, so fair enough). I did not call Krystal useless, I called her a bullsh*t character because she basically is the worst character ever created. I wasn't speculating on her in-game performance, because I don't want to have her anywhere near Smash Bros.

And no sh*t I don't know for certain if Cpt. Falcon is unlockable or not. What I'm saying is that his inclusion seems extremely likely to me. Want to bet on it?

God, do I need to spell everything out for you?

Yes, you do need to spell everything out on a forum because not everyone knows what you are thinking. BTW, I'm not attacking you. You are the one swearing left and right. Everyone on forums assume the guy on the other end is attacking them when there is a disagreement. I was simply pointing out that you contradicted yourself. And I'm sure Falcon will be in the game as well. No need to bet. But if you are really that angry about it, we'll exchange Wii numbers and when Brawl comes out, I'll school you like there is no tomorrow. Your Olimar vs. my Falcon...Game, set, match.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Awww yeah mothafu*ka! We takin' dis' sh*t to teh streets lik old schoo' yo.

[Peanut]

Yes, you do need to spell everything out on a forum because not everyone knows what you are thinking. BTW, I'm not attacking you. You are the one swearing left and right. Everyone on forums assume the guy on the other end is attacking them when there is a disagreement. I was simply pointing out that you contradicted yourself. And I'm sure Falcon will be in the game as well. No need to bet. But if you are really that angry about it, we'll exchange Wii numbers and when Brawl comes out, I'll school you like there is no tomorrow. Your Olimar vs. my Falcon...Game, set, match.

Get the f*ck out of here, moron.

Mecha didn't contradict himself in the least, you just misread and misunderstood what he was saying. And what he said should have been perfectly clear to anyone with an IQ of 10.

And seriously, resulting to the "OH, JUST WAIT! I'll BEAT YOU SO BAD AT THIS VIDEO GAME AND MY DICK WILL BECOME LARGER!" taunt is so 3rd grade. Get a life.

On topic, Snake has one of the most original Smashes we've seen yet. This game just has so many new ideas that it's astounding.

[Mecha Cow]

Yes, you do need to spell everything out on a forum because not everyone knows what you are thinking. BTW, I'm not attacking you. You are the one swearing left and right. Everyone on forums assume the guy on the other end is attacking them when there is a disagreement. I was simply pointing out that you contradicted yourself. And I'm sure Falcon will be in the game as well. No need to bet. But if you are really that angry about it, we'll exchange Wii numbers and when Brawl comes out, I'll school you like there is no tomorrow. Your Olimar vs. my Falcon...Game, set, match.
People can usually get a pretty good idea of what I am thinking because I type it out and they can read it. That only works when you actually think before you f*cking post, though.

Anyway, since the game is so close to release (in Japan, at least), we might as well have some fun with some last-minute speculation. Here (http://www.enregistrersous.com/images2/56073063420080110143829.jpg)'s a bio card of Zelda -supposedly from CoroCoro magazine- that seems legit enough. Apparently the text on the card (detailing her moves) says:
Zelda
Nayru's Love
Forore's Wind
Din's Fire
Twilight Change (Original Twilight version of Shiek transformation)

Final Smash: Light Arrows
Sheik was semi-confirmed already, but this should add some fuel to the fire.

[Krueger]

Get the f*ck out of here, moron.

Mecha didn't contradict himself in the least, you just misread and misunderstood what he was saying. And what he said should have been perfectly clear to anyone with an IQ of 10.

How did he not condradict himself? He said I can't know if Olimar is useless since I haven't played the game meanwhile he is saying Krystal is a bullsh*t character. How does he know Krystal is bullsh*t if he hasn't played the game? Bullsh*t...useless...same difference.

BTW, if you are so angry about it, I'll school you in Brawl also. How is taunting someone with a video game third grade? People do it all the time. If you want third grade, consider an "educated" guy telling someone discussing a video game in a forum to "get the f*ck out of here, moron." That is real mature.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Being that I played a game in the passed and didn't enjoy it and now that they have added someone from that game, makes him a useless character to me. It is simply my opinion.

You see, its a matter of implied speech. Mecha said Krystal was a "bullsh*t character". He doesn't like her and doesn't want her in the game. You said Olimar is a "useless character". You don't like him and don't want him in the game. Its the same thing, and he's just as much entitled to his opinion as you.

I can't believe I just had to explain the meaning of "bullsh*t" to someone. Jesus.

Do us a favor and drop it. K?

[Dr. Doom]

At this point, the one thing I want more than anything else is Wolf Link/Midna as a full character. I already got Theme Of Athletic, alternate costumes are sorta confirmed and sorta not at the same time....and I guess I could somehow manage if Falco wasn't in the game. This is what I'm really hoping for now.

[Krueger]

You see, its a matter of implied speech. Mecha said Krystal was a "bullsh*t character". He doesn't like her and doesn't want her in the game. You said Olimar is a "useless character". You don't like him and don't want him in the game. Its the same thing, and he's just as much entitled to his opinion as you.

I can't believe I just had to explain the meaning of "bullsh*t" to someone. Jesus.

Do us a favor and drop it. K?

Well I have people like you adding on to it. Obviously I'm not the only one continuing with it. I know the meaning of bullsh*t. You proved my point from the start. You said it is the same thing, therefore he condradicted himself. This was not what I intended from the start. My main point was I don't care for Olimar in the game. End of subject. Even if anyone else decides to respond to this post, I'm dropping it just because ThirdMarioBro asked nicely.

[Mecha Cow]

What's really ironic about all this...is that I've just noticed Krueger contradicting himself. But I'll be a nice boy and let it go.

So anyway, how 'bout them Smash Bros.?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I want alternate costumes as well, because it could allow for extra characters to function as clones without wasting a lot of effort. I mean, that's why I like Smash Bros. I don't treat it like a fighter, but instead focus on the characters. If they mechanically play as another, that makes little difference to me.

[Peanut]

How did he not condradict himself? He said I can't know if Olimar is useless since I haven't played the game meanwhile he is saying Krystal is a bullsh*t character. How does he know Krystal is bullsh*t if he hasn't played the game? Bullsh*t...useless...same difference.

No, not the same.

You said Olimar, a confirmed character in Brawl, was useless, yet you've never played the game, let alone as the character in question.

Mecha said, with the exception of bullsh*t characters like Krystal, the more they had in the game, the merrier.

How could you possibly take him saying that he didn't want horrible characters like Krystal in the game as a comment made in the same vain as yours? He wasn't even talking about a confirmed character in the first place, nor as a FIGHTER in Brawl, but as a horrible CHARACTER in general.

You. Are. An. Idiot.

[Krueger]

It's okay, Peanut. We've all moved on. I'm still your friend no matter what!

On topic, Snake has one of the most original Smashes we've seen yet. This game just has so many new ideas that it's astounding.

Agreed. It is a great final smash. I wonder how powerful the grenades are. It'll be cool if they are a one shot kill type of deal. What's up with the third picture down? Too much Snake ass.

[Dr. Doom]

Olimar totally reminds me of Billy.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/pikmin/pikmin.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7378/grimxmasbvf9.jpg

As far as Snake's final smash goes, it should be stinger missles! He used those all the time. I don't remember ever using a grenade launcher with him. :\

[Ra]

New update with Olimar today. He now has Special moves. HUZZAH!

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm reeeeeeally hoping for alternate costumes/models to alleviate the need for clone characters. Think about it. Mario > Dr. Mario. Fox > Falco > Wolf. Peach > Daisy > Rosalina. Sonic > Knuckles > Shadow (for anyone who gives a fu*k). See where I'm going here? They would all share the same move sets, so no real work has to be done other than art. Sakuari claims that Wario is the only one with an alternate costume, but the current rumor is that Wario is the only one with a default alternate costume/model, and you have to unlock the rest. People assume that model work is difficult and takes too much time for something like this to happen, but keep this in mind. All those models used to make the Melee trophies (just over 300 or so) plus all the character models (25) and the stage model work for the entire game of Melee were whipped up by the art team in a little over 11 months. Obviously Brawl has had over three times the development time, and many times the staff. I expect unlockable alternate costumes/models.

I'm also hoping for another Pokemon trainer, perhaps the rival who could come with a set of modern Pokemon to face off against the original three. The trainer is sort of a taunt of how awesome Pokemon could once again be if they would reinvent the worn out formula for Wii or something (but they won't, so screw it).

Regardless, the Brawl leaks will start coming soon when the media copies start coming out. Most of the Japanese media already have their's. The Famitsu review should be Monday-ish, then the media blitz slowly begins to shift into high gear.

[Peanut]

I'm actually completely against that costume idea. No. No. No. No. No.

I could see something like Mario having Dr. Mario, but not the alternate of certain characters being COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. That's just f*cking stupid.

[Dr. Doom]

I agree entirely. I never really wanted it to go that far.

I wanted to be more elaborate but I got like an hour and a half of sleep. I can't really think...

[Mecha Cow]

I agree with Peanut; I really want alternate costumes, but to have both sets represent different characters entirely would be awkward and dilute the significance of both characters involved. Think about it, how lame would it be if Luigi was just an alternate for Mario?

That being said, I totally understand what TMB is getting at, though.

Even though Wario is the only character that really needs an alt. costume, it doesn't make much sense to have him be the only character that has one. It wouldn't surprise me if the other characters had unlockable costumes.

[Ra]

The different characters thing I can only see working with Sonic turning into Shadow. Other than that I can't really see it working that well. However, there really should be alternative costumes for characters. If it's just limited to Wario then I would be very surprised. Hopefully the costumes, if any, will be unlockables. Until further notice, I guess we'll just have to play the waiting game.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Shadow can kiss my ass. I suppose Peanut and Mecha are right about not diluting the characters with alternate skins, but I still want alternate costumes. If Soul Calibur can do it, so can Smash.

[Ra]

The more I think of it, the more I'm hoping for alternative costumes. It would be a nice change instead of leaving it with putting Pokemon in funny hats. Hopefully the folks working on the game will have enough time to slip in extra costumes. Maybe give Pokemon Trainer a girl skin, if they have the time. I doubt we'll see it, but I kind of like the idea...

[Peanut]

Pokemon Trainer already has 4 confirmed colours. One of which is actually an original GameBoy monochrome colour, which is not only hilarious, but completely awesome.

[Ra]

Really? Wow...that bit of info kinda went right by me. Oh well. I love monochrome, so I'm happy.