SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Mecha Cow]

Dear people of the Video Game section,

In this internet message board topic you may discuss the upcoming video game 'Super Smash Bros. Brawl' -commonly abbreviated as 'SSBB' and affectionately known as simply Brawl- for the Nintendo 'Wii' system.

Please refer to this (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html) web page for daily weekday updates regarding SSBB and related matters.

Sincerely,

~ Mecha D. Cow

[Cure]

Dear people of the Video Game section,

In this internet message board topic you may discuss the upcoming video game 'Super Smash Bros. Brawl' -commonly abbreviated as 'SSBB' and affectionately known as simply Brawl- for the Nintendo 'Wii' system.

Please refer to this (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html) web page for daily weekday updates regarding SSBB and related matters.

Sincerely,

~ Mecha D. Cow

Cool, but I have to ask; What's the D. stand for?!

[Mecha Cow]

Nothing, but it looks fancy, doesn't it?

[Deathknight]

Anyone else kind of disappointed that it looks that Ike has replaced Marth? I really wish they'd just bring everyone back from Melee but it doesn't look like that'll happen.

[Spitfire]

I assumed they would, they did in the last game. Aw well, how many anime swordsman does this game really need?

[Deathknight]

I'd be fine with just keeping Marth and Roy. Preferably Marth though, Roy was total garbage.

[ThirdMarioBro]

All new threads must exist for a period of one week before gaining sticky status.


Yeah, I'm being all official and stuff. H2rdc0r3 SPAMMAGE!!

[Dr. Doom]

What gives you the impression that Ike has replaced Marth?

Also, could someone sticky the thread? :3

[ThirdMarioBro]

After the update they just posted......yeah, sticked.


Palutena!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SIDE-SCROLLING ACTION GAME!!!!!!!

PEACH IS HOT!!!!!!!!!!!

MEGATON

[Dr. Doom]

I'm certainly not surprised by this based on Melee's adventure mode. Hopefully it really will be fleshed out enough to stand on it's own. The mentioning of "character development" is welcome too, since the 2 previous games have been pretty much devoid of any sort of story line. It will be interesting to see what comes from this.

On another note, this is probably the biggest updated they've done so far (in regards to quantity). Past few days have been pretty rewarding.

[Barkworm]

That video was fantastic till Zelda made that teleport move which looked just ridiculous (yeah, I'm being a bitch).

[ThirdMarioBro]

Palutnea is all that matters to me. Sorry, but I've been wanting that since they dropped Pit in the original trailer.

On to other business. Though I still don't think they'll drop the online mode (it would probably be simple, but passable), I would willingly trade it in for a full-on sidescrolling platformer contained in the adventure mode. Its what I dreamed of since rush-job Melee showed what was possible.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/128fs3512924.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/155fs107899.gif

[Mecha Cow]

Character development? This should be good. :lol:

Quite an awesome update, especially because they snuck Peach in there as well. Also note how it explains that weird update from a while back, so now I can rest easy. :D

As for Ike, it's possible that he's a replacement for Marth, but it's more likely that he's taking Roy's place. I'm pretty sure Roy was only added to Melee to pimp the then-upcoming Fire Emblem GBA game, after all. As long as there's still a character that plays like Marth I don't care either way.

*E* What the hell? Apparently Eji Aonuma (Current producer of the Zelda series) has confirmed Ganondorf...and Sheik (http://thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1186116038&archive=&start_from=&ucat=19&) for Brawl. Ganondorf was kind of a given, but Sheik is unexpected (And weird). Mini-Megaton?

[Cure]

Yeah, when I saw this I was like "Now Mecha should be happy". :lol:
But yeah, it looks kick-ass.

[Deathknight]

Hopefully Ganondorf won't be a clone anymore. Though Sheik is definitely going to be nerfed. Also, I would NEVER trade online play for the adventure mode they described. Online play is everything to me in Brawl, it'll give it infinite replay for me if I have an unlimited amount of opponents.

[Cure]

So how about that smoke bomb? These new items look like they're gonna be a riot.

[Dr. Doom]

-=Holds up a tape recorder to his face=- Note to self: turn off smoke bomb.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Have fun playing using tournament rules on only Battlefield and Final Destination with all the items and Final Smashes turned off.

n00b.

[Mecha Cow]

Ike's special moves (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/ike.html#2nd).

His up special is very reminiscent of Kirby's. It also states that he's a heavy character. Definitely not a Marth clone.

[Cure]

What interests me more is the fact heavy character won't always flinch now. Maybe Bowser will have a chance of being good.

[Deathknight]

Have fun playing using tournament rules on only Battlefield and Final Destination with all the items and Final Smashes turned off.

n00b.

Do you actually play with items on? If so you're the noob. Items make luck a factor and gives fast characters an advantage. That pretty much kills the point of playing. Also, tournaments use a lot more than FD and Battlefield. In MLG rules I believe only 9 stages are totally banned. There are 6 "neutral" stages which are used for the first round then the loser of the previous match can pick any stage except the 9 banned stages. Generally when I play Melee with my friends we just do the neutral stages though.

[ThirdMarioBro]

^^ See that post? That's what I was talkling about.

I don't play Smash Bros. for keeps. I'm not going to follow tournament rules. I know a few friends who play the game following MLG rules like you do, and I can play with them. I can hold my own as well. I never win, but I never loose by a heavy margin. Whenever I'm away from them though, I play with all the crap turned on, and I play on whatever the hell stage I want. Why?

Because its not boring. MLG rules are boring as hell. What is the point of the game? Smash Bros. is not Street Fighter, and people need to quit pretending it is. Its not a fighting game. Its a party that usually boils down to a matter of who can wave-dash the hardest (another thing that pisses me off). Items are fun. Randomness is fun. We laugh, we play, we throw Pokeballs and go use the ness to go batting for Klap-Traps. Its FUN! You do know what that is right? Smash Bros is not something to take seriously. I play for fun, not for tournament.


Anybody who plays with items off looses all the new upgrades. Hell, you loose the final smashes, the COOLEST PART (Zero Suit Samus for the slow people out there). If you want it that simple, go plug in your N64. Same difference, except with jaggy graphics.



Now, who saw Pits final smash? Pure awesomeness. I've missed my goddess.

[Dr. Doom]

Have fun playing using tournament rules on only Battlefield and Final Destination with all the items and Final Smashes turned off.

n00b.

I was joking that the smoke bomb is pointless, ya moron.

[ThirdMarioBro]

And I was being a sarcastic ass, ya doofus. :D ;)

[愛]

I used to play religiously with my good friend Al who lives down the street. We played with items on, and had a blast. I remember once he had over 400% damage, and I hit that kid with the Homerun Bat. His character just...went away. He flew so fast, I didn't even see him move. He just disappeared. We had such a laugh after that. The game is actually more fun with items. At least I think so.

And yeah, it's a game. It can be a fighting game, though, for the extreme players.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't disagree with you, TMB, but saying Smash is boring without items is bullsh*t. That's no better than saying that playing with items is for noobs. What makes the game so great is that it works as both a party game and a fighting game.

[Deathknight]

Wave Dashing is overrated anyway. It's only really good with a few characters and it's mostly for mind games anyway. Wave Dashing will not necessarily give you the edge though by any means. I almost never Wave Dash and I'm able to beat a lot of people that Wave Dash a lot and are quite good at it. The one thing I hate about items is how they can screw you up. Nothing is more annoying than doing an attack and having an explosive item appear right in front of you as you do it. I can't even describe how much that pisses me off. Another great moment with items is how when certain items appear the camera zooms out to show you that they appeared there.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You're right about one thing. I do hate the explosive items. I always turn those bastards off.

[Dr. Doom]

I mostly tend to turn of items can can completely shift the momentum of the match. And the fan, I hate that thing.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I do hope Brawl is 3 times as customizable as Melee.

[Deathknight]

The one thing I hate that you can't turn off is explosive capsules and crates. You can turn off pretty much everything else except those. It would be really cool if in Brawl they added turning off stage distractions like arwings in Corneria. I'd enjoy that quite a bit.

[Mecha Cow]

For those who were still worrying whether or not Earthbound/Mother would be represented in Brawl, worry no longer (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/item08.html). It's not much of an update, but it bears the series' icon, so there you go. I don't care myself, but whatever.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, its nice to see Mother fans haven't been forgotten.

[愛]

Earthbound was one of the hardest games I've ever played in my life. I barely survived every boss battle. I think I still have that HUGE box laying around somewhere.

[Cure]

If I'm not mistaken, Lucas was rumored to replace Ness, right?

[Deathknight]

I hope that's not true, Ness was an awesome character. I'll be pissed if he's replaced.

[Mecha Cow]

Who would want Lucas anyway? His design is as boring as it gets. At least Ness has a cap for some visual interest.

[Cure]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/KevMan87/super-smash-bros-brawl-200708090849.jpg

Do her fingers strike anyone else as really off?

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, that definitely isn't right. :lol:

[Deathknight]

LOL wow, that's terrible.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Who would want Lucas anyway? His design is as boring as it gets. At least Ness has a cap for some visual interest.

I personally take offense to that statement. :lol:

[Mecha Cow]

Take it as a hint that you should start wearing a cap. Preferably backwards for extra coolness.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Right now I'm wearing something that looks like an Indiana Jones hat.....because Jones is awesome.

[愛]

And because you live in Hicksville, USA. :D

I'm surprised you guys even have consoles past N64 there. Kidding, kidding! :lol:

[Peanut]

OMFG! LOOK WHO'S BACK! I bring tidings!

A new member to the Brawl roster. The POKEMON TRAINER!

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html

All I can say is...totally f*ckin' awesome!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Okay, that is the most badass thing they could have done for Pokemon. Instant win. Not only is it three characters in one (tag-team), but it also preserves the signature element of Pokemon: managing a team of fighters in a tag-team environment where you wisely use the attributes of all three to win. They all share a damage meter, but they each get special attacks, minus the Down+B used for switching amongst them. I'll be playing that team regularly. Sorry Pikachu, you loose to the original three.


Now I'm one step closer to getting Diddy & Dixie because tag-team is in the engine. Hot DAMN!



I'm surprised you guys even have consoles past N64 there. Kidding, kidding! :lol:

Funny you bring that up. I noticed on the local news that all of the consoles they put in our local children's hospitals for sick kids are either N64s or PS1's with analog sticks worn to the nub. ZING!

[Mecha Cow]

F*cking awesome. I was actually kind of hoping they'd put Ash/Red in, but I never expected something like this. Very creative. Also nice how they gave him the classic starters rather than some crappy new ones.

I guess this means there's a good chance that Mewto, Jigglypuff and Pichu are out (I mean, that would be overkill), but I won't be shedding any tears for them.

[愛]

I read on Kotaku that it's going to be a spectator character? That sounds kinda lame. Like the stupid Pokemon who came out of the Pokemon level. Was that the first Smash? I forget. Either way, sounds dumb. I wanted him to be a real character.

Oh, nevermind. I'm dumb. I didn't read that right. Actually, that sounds awesome.

[Cure]

So what about the final smash?!

3 things are possible; each Pokemon has their own, a team attack of all three, or the trainer whips out some crazy legendary for the time being. I'm hoping for a team attack. That'd be cool.

[Dr. Doom]

I really can't imagine them taking anybody out.

Anyways, I knew they had to try and incorperate more Pokémon somehow, and this is a very interesting idea.

[Deathknight]

I like the idea of the Pokemon trainer but I don't like the concept that they get weaker if you switch too much or not enough. That's just lame, you should be able to use whichever you want when you want. Also, it'd better not be true that they're not bringing Purin (Jigglypuff) back. Pichu I highly doubt is coming back because he's a clone but Purin is an awesome character.

[Dr. Doom]

Apparently my attempt to reassure such concerns have gone in vain.

[Deathknight]

Well I remember hearing somewhere that only the characters announced are confirmed to return at this time. Though it's pretty much a given that they're getting rid of clones. Though the smash community is going to have a fit when they no longer have Falco.

[Mecha Cow]

It's already been confirmed that not all characters will be returning.

[Peanut]

I've also heard from several places that it's been getting around one of the original 12 SSB characters has been cut. And with 8 of those 12 already confirmed (Mario, Samus, Yoshi, Pikachu, Fox, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby) and only 4 left to be confirmed (Ness, Luigi, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff) my bet is on Jigglypuff. Ness is the only character representing his series, and Luigi and Cpt. Falcon just can't be removed.

And who seriously uses the Japanese Pokemon names? Purin? Come on.

[愛]

Purin is the Japanese word for pudding. lol

Nice name. :lol:

[Dr. Doom]

I think it'd be ridiculous to get rid of anyone.

[Mecha Cow]

Mewtwo, Pichu and Jigglypuff would be awfully redundant at this point, so I couldn't care less. They're crappy characters anyway.

[Peanut]

I think it'd be ridiculous to get rid of anyone.

I would tend to agree. Mostly because it doesn't look as if anyone is getting a drastic change to their moveset. Give a slightly higher-res upgrade to Jigglypuff's model and let it go, but that may not be the case.

We all know there will be characters cut, as much as that sucks, it's been confirmed. With the annoucment of the Pokemon Trainer, it becomes quite obvious that the Pokemon roster is going to take a hit, Jigglypuff and Pichu really look like the ones to go.

Personally I believe the cuts will be:
Jigglypuff
Pichu
Ice Climbers
Young Link
Roy
Dr. Mario

And considering the new characters that have already been announced:
Pit
Snake
Ike
Pokemon Trainer
Wario
Meta Knight

I'd say that's a pretty good trade.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, Captain Falcon is dead to me, but I'm not worried about him because Goroh is already listed as a Smash trophy, so its all good. If they take out Luigi, then I boycott the game, but that isn't happening because he's grown as a character since Melee released, and ....well, he's freaking Luigi.

The only loss that would piss me off would be Mr. Game & Watch. I can't honestly think of anything else they can do with him, but he's so historically relevant. Dr. Mario can be a alternate costume (which have been rumored as unlockables for eons). Marth and Roy are getting cut for equivalents, and I'm hoping the Ice Climbers get cut for Diddy & Dixie now that tag-team is in the game thanks to Pokemon, because DK needs more representation, and the Ice Climbers are worthless. We all know Young Link is getting nerfed for Wind Waker Link. Its too obvious, and potentially awesome.

With the Pokemon trainer, I'm actually hoping they nix all the Pokemon (with the exception of Pikachu because.....well, he's Pikachu. That's like getting rid of Mario) and replace them with the girl trainer with another set of three, because that would just kick too much ass. We know Pichu is gone anyway, because he was a clone, and a sh*tty one at that. The only clones I can possibly see staying are Luigi (again, because he's freaking Luigi) and Ganon (because of his importance), and Ganon would need an overhaul. Falco sucked, so I could see him getting replaced with Krystal, because she's the only one who makes sense because she naturally has a different fighting style than Fox thanks to the staff. Besides, they've got to throw a bone(r) to all the furry pervs out there.

[Peanut]

Luigi wasn't a total clone in Melee, he had a couple of his own specific moves. What I hope they do is give him the Poltergust. That would be awesome.

And I totally agree with Diddy and Dixie. Even if they were a tag-team along the same line as the Ice Climbers. The DK franchise just doesn't have enough respresentation.

As far as Young Link goes, it seems more and more like Midna/Wolf Link will take his place, rather than tWW Link, who I'd prefer.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Luigi wasn't a total clone in Melee, he had a couple of his own specific moves. What I hope they do is give him the Poltergust. That would be awesome.

And I totally agree with Diddy and Dixie. Even if they were a tag-team along the same line as the Ice Climbers. The DK franchise just doesn't have enough respresentation.

As far as Young Link goes, it seems more and more like Midna/Wolf Link will take his place, rather than tWW Link, who I'd prefer.

I disagree. I see Wolf Link being a Down+B of TP Link, like Sheik before him. It makes too much sense. Also, consider Wind Waker Link has a new game coming out to plug this fall.

As for Diddy & Dixie, they wouldn't have to be like the Ice Climbers. The Ice Climbers were really like one worthless character who had another tag along and do nothing. Nana just bounced around and looked cute. You controlled the Blue one only (Popo I think was his name, or something). Diddy & Dixie could be an actual Down+B tag-team set since the tag-team ability is already included in the game thanks to the Pokemon trainer.


I'm honestly hoping that the reason they haven't shown Mario's move set yet is because he's got a surprise from Galaxy, but I kind of doubt it. And for the record...Poltergust FTMFW.

[Peanut]

I disagree. I see Wolf Link being a Down+B of TP Link, like Sheik before him. It makes too much sense. Also, consider Wind Waker Link has a new game coming out to plug this fall.

As for Diddy & Dixie, they wouldn't have to be like the Ice Climbers. The Ice Climbers were really like one worthless character who had another tag along and do nothing. Nana just bounced around and looked cute. You controlled the Blue one only (Popo I think was his name, or something). Diddy & Dixie could be an actual Down+B tag-team set since the tag-team ability is already included in the game thanks to the Pokemon trainer.


I'm honestly hoping that the reason they haven't shown Mario's move set yet is because he's got a surprise from Galaxy, but I kind of doubt it. And for the record...Poltergust FTMFW.

Agreed on all fronts.

I actually never thought of Link having a Down+B transformation move, but it makes perfect sense. And considering 3 out of his 4 moves (Arrow, Bomb, Boomerang) are all pretty sh*tty projectile attacks, I think it's time they gave him something else.

As for Diddy & Dixie, I like the tag team idea, but I still think if they worked as variation of the Ice Climbers, it would be even better. Think of them as one character instead of two, because I don't see them having many interesting moves alone. Make it so that they can't be knocked out individually, ala the Ice Climbers, and have them just be one entity. Together they make an interesting team, but on their own they seem kind of boring.

As far as Mario goes...am I the only one who would love to see the Leaf as a new powerup item? How awesome would it be to grab one and get the Racoon Tail, along with the ear. God, that would be awesome.

[Mecha Cow]

I really wouldn't count on a transformation move for Link, it would be way too radical of an overhaul for such a major character. Also consider that he's a series' representative, so he can't be too game-specific. It would be like giving Mario FLUDD moves. Like I've said before though, Wolf Link might be a seperate character.

I do hope this game will have alternate costumes. Three might be a bit of a stretch, but perhaps one extra plus a palette swap for both costumes. I mean, Wario needs his classic costume, doesn't he?

Mario/Dr. Mario
Link/Magic Armor Link
Wario/Classic Wario
Samus/Fusion Suit Samus

Etc., etc.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, Wario is probably the giveaway example for why we're likely to get alternate costumes (though I personally prefer Intelligent System's fat farty Wario to their older "angry troll" Wario). If you look at the models in detail, you can tell the costumes are modeled separately from the characters. I think its pretty well written in stone. I just want one thing for Mario....white overalls. I dearly miss the old Fire Mario disco pants circa 1986.

And I've been dreaming of a raccoon tail Super Leaf power-up since the game's announcement.

[Cure]

Wow, you guys have put a lot of thought into these responses.

For Diddy and Dixie, I think something along Peanut's idea would be cool. Like, instead of tagging out ala Pokemon Trainer or having an exact replica follow you around ala Ice Climbers they could fight as a team, you know? Like, for one standard attack Diddy will use his tail and for another Dixie will use her hair and as a special attack one throws the other a short distance. They're up B will be Dixie's hair glider and so on and so forth. I think that'd be cool.

I agree with Mecha as far as Link. Adding his wolf form would've been good for a final smash, but we all know it's not that. I could see Midna as maybe a support trophy, but I don't really know. Although I also agree his lame projectile attacks need to be changed. The only one I really use is the arrow. Fully charged it does up to 20% damage I think.

The alternate costumes I think will be cool for Wario and Mario. Not much else to say on that.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm praying they include Wolf Link, and I'm also praying that Falco remains in the game, he's my best/favorite character in melee. I know I can just play as Fox, but I like Falco better. Something else we have to consider is that they're probably not gonna announce unlockable characters on the site, at least I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't. So some of these people we're holding our breath for we might not know about until the game is final and being reviewed, or from like a strategy guide/FAQ.

[Peanut]

Well, every character was announced when Melee came out, the unlockables just weren't talked about in detail. Still, I'm with you. I'd rather there be some surprises in store once we finally get the game in our hands.

Edit: After such an awesome update, I was expecting an assist trophy, but whatever the hell we got...I don't even know. http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist05.html

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_World

Its the funky dancing devil from Miyamoto's old Pac-Man ripoff Devil World we never saw released over here. He moved the maze back and forth and you had to eat the "pellets" while staying within the boarder as he moved it around. Now he does the same thing to the Smash Bros. play field. That seems to just fit well with Smash's play mechanics.

Seriously, they have little reason not to release that game in the US with something like Devil's Crush (TG-16) already on the VC.

[Peanut]

I just want some more AC stuff to be announced! Smashville and a Pitfall aren't enough!

[Mecha Cow]

The Devil?! Won't somebody please think of the children?!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Fu*k the kiddies. Panty shots for the win. :D

[Peanut]

Who wants to take bets on if "Devil" will be called Demon, and have a palette swap in the NA version?

[Mecha Cow]

Actually, he's called 'Devil' on the US website, but if you check the European sites he's called 'Demon'. Interesting.

See, we are not Satanists.

[Peanut]

Probably because the game was never released here, but it got a release in Europe as Demon World. Since they have nothing to base off of for the US site, they went with the Japanese name. Once Brawl comes over to the NA, I'd say there's a good chance he'll be called Demon as well.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, I'll tag that bet. If you action replay the trophy in Melee, it calls the game "Demon World".

[Krueger]

I will cry if they do not bring back Falcon.

[Dr. Doom]

There's no way they wouldn't.

[Deathknight]

There's already an F-zero assist trophy so it's pretty much confirmed that Falcon is coming back.

[Peanut]

Of the older veteran SSB characters, I'd say the only ones that can be worried about are Ness and Jigglypuff.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The Goroh assist trophy is listed under the F-Zero icon. That pretty much relieves most worries about Falcon, even if he is a dead franchise. Removing Ness though would be a crime. Mother fans already get enough sh*t.

[Peanut]

Yeah, but Sakurai said Ness wasn't even supposed to be in Melee. And it was only because he ran out of time that he threw him back in there. With all the time he's had to work on Brawl now, I wouldn't be surprised if he did what he meant to in Melee.

[Deathknight]

I think a lot of people would've been pissed if Ness wasn't in Melee. He was a very popular character in the original. I know I would've been upset, I always enjoyed using him in the original and I still do use him some in Melee. I really hate how they're not having everyone return. Every character has a point to them and are used by certain people. Clones like Dr. Mario I can understand getting rid of because they're so similiar it's silly but when you compare play styles of Fox and Falco it's just so different even though Falco is still technically a clone of Fox. They should just do what they did to Luigi in Melee and make them more different so they're not so much clones anymore.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/index.html

Stickers. May not sound like much to some, but I collect video game artwork, so this is huge to me.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah, okay, this is the lamest update yet.

[Peanut]

Yeah...seriously. Totally lame. Even worse than the "You Must Recover!" update. Having artwork unlockables on the level of the trophies from Melee would be totally sweet, but this...this is stupid.

[Deathknight]

No, nothing will ever beat the you must recover update. That was so lame. At least this talks about something new to the game.

[Dr. Doom]

I don't expect that they mean for the stickers to replace the trophies. It seems to me like they'd probably have both.

Anyways, something I noticed is that the Franklin Badge post uses the little Mother icon, which Ness fans can probably take to mean he's in there. I'm going off the idea that if we see an icon like that, we're getting a character to represent it (and if you're keeping score, that means I expect an Animal Crossing character to be playable).

[ThirdMarioBro]

That Animal Crossing stage had just about every relevant AC character in attendance, so I'm not entirely sure what they plan on doing there.

[Peanut]

Anyways, something I noticed is that the Franklin Badge post uses the little Mother icon, which Ness fans can probably take to mean he's in there. I'm going off the idea that if we see an icon like that, we're getting a character to represent it (and if you're keeping score, that means I expect an Animal Crossing character to be playable).

But also take note that the Franklin Badge was featured much more prominently in Mother 3 in Japan. Add that to Sakurai wanting to ditch Ness, and Lucas apparently becoming much more popular in Japan than Ness ever was, and you may see where things are going.

That Animal Crossing stage had just about every relevant AC character in attendance, so I'm not entirely sure what they plan on doing there.

That's what gets to me. The fact that the two most likely AC characters, Tom Nook, K.K. Slider and Tortimer, both appear in the stage. The only possible thing now would be, again, some kind of tag-team/swap out (ala PT) thing involving some of the most popular villagers, which is unlikely, or just an "Animal Crosser" who uses the net/fishing rod/shovel etc etc. However, the fact that Mr. Resetti shows up nowhere in the stage says to me that he'll 100% be an assist trophy.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I know one assist trophy they just have to have. The Mii Parade stampede.

[Peanut]

NO! Keep the damn Mii's out of Brawl. Keep all that sh*t to the other Wii games! Just looking at those things makes me sick now.

[Mecha Cow]

The Animal Crossing character might be Mr. Resetti. Doesn't seem like a worthy character if you ask me, but I wouldn't know who else they could put in. I fully expect a playable AC character though since the series has its own icon, a distinction reserved for playable characters (Note how Dr. Wright or the Devil don't have their own icons). By extension, I also expect Cpt. Falcon and Ness to return.

And maybe the Miis will replace the wire frame guys.

[ThirdMarioBro]

No, that would suck ass.

[Mecha Cow]

YOUR MOM suc-Must behave...

[Peanut]

I think we should all be in agreement that the casual sh*t should stay the hell out of our games. The Mii's represent everything I hate about the new Nintendo, so I'd rather have as few references to them in Brawl as possible.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'll side with you. This Smash Bros. (and probably the last one) is the embodiment of everything classic Nintendo; something which is dying out rather quickly.

[Deathknight]

So if Lucas is becoming more popular have both in there. You shouldn't get rid of a classic character if a newer one becomes more popular, that's just lame. This is supposed to be Nintendo's allstars and I think Ness is still a big enough star to get a spot.

[Barkworm]

I think we should all be in agreement that the casual sh*t should stay the hell out of our games.
Amen to that but the f*cking Nintendogs are already in it so I wouldn't get my hopes high.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The more I think about it, the more I think we'll get a character from Square. Mario Hoops 3-on-3 was developed by Square, who made the bulk of the profit from the game, and it featured unlockable Square characters done in the whole "SMB2 Dream" style. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. Same reasoning behind Sonic with the Olympic games being developed by Sega (for Wii & DS, both of which are a waggle fest if my time with the game was any indication) who will get the majority of the cash......yeah. Mario & Pac-Man crossed over back in 2003 as well, and then again in a sh*tty arcade Mario Kart. Both came from Namco, who again, made most of the money.

And let's face it. Nintendo and Hudson have been in bed for almost a decade (Mario Party), and there's more TurboGrafx-16 stuff on the Virtual Console than NES. Bomberman perhaps?

[Mecha Cow]

I'd like Bomberman and Pacman to make it in the game, though I'm not getting my hopes up. Square might throw in a Black Mage or a Chocobo or something. Who knows, pretty much anything goes with this game.

[Peanut]

^ Yeah. If they do end up putting a Square character in, I'd say it'll be more along the lines of one of those older, more vague FF characters. Not the Clouds and Sephiroths most people hope for.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Other than Diddy & Dixie, and Sonic, there is one character I demand for Smash, and he's in my avatar.

[Peanut]

ROFL! That would be hilarious and awesome! Eggplant Wizard for the win! How awesome would it be if they got his Captain N voice actor to perform his lines in the game?! HAHA! Or....oh man....what if they put Captain N in there!? THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Think about it. We've got Pit already, and he brought Pelutnia (which is the character the off-model Princess Lana was based on) with him. Now all we need is Simon Belmont, Mega Man, Captain N, a Nintendog, and a Game Boy Trophy.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Double post. Sue me, its worth it.


I love being the only person on the board awake at 3:00 in the morning. It means I get to be the first to make this rant.

I hate Nintendo's model artists. They are lazy bastards, pure and simple. Why do I say that? Because Sakurai just kicked them in the nuts again. I present visual aid of his team's brilliant work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/t.jpg

Take a nice long look. The one on the far left is the generic stock model Nintendo cranked out in 2002 for Mario Party [insert number here]. They've been using the same damn model since that day. They modify it for sports games, but its still the same damn model. This is the biggest reason I'm such a HUGE fan of Masahiro Sakurai and HAL's art staff. They threw out all the stock models Nintendo pushes on all of their third parties and remodeled them. Hell, look how much work they put into Peach alone. They modeled crochet frills on her dress, and finally got her face right. The Melee model predates Nintendo's waxy stock models by a year, but even it PALES next to the Brawl team's handiwork. She looks like a freaking porsaline doll. That's what I call CG quality work, and the best the character has ever looked, yet we all know when Mario Kart lands next Spring, EAD will still be using those godforsaken recycled waxy stock models from the first year of GameCube.

Why doesn't Nintendo use these models, or better yet, change them up from time to time? Money and time. The less work they have to do, the faster they can crank out a sequel. The more detail a model has, the uglier it gets.

Nintendo may be masters of gameplay, but their graphic artist suck ass from a straw. Thankfully we have Masahiro Sakurai and HAL to make them look bad for the rest of the generation.

[Ra]

Only now, when compared to the Brawl model, have I realized how frickin' huge Peach's lips are on the stock model. They are like super model's lips. Bleh.

I agree with changing Peach's look from time to time. She's a "pretty princess" kind of a character, and they usually have large wardrobes at their disposal. There is no excuse for her to wear the same style of dress over and over. Glam it up a bit like in Brawl. Or maybe make the dress a bit shorter and go for a different style for a game and see how the fans react?

I don't know about everyone else, but seeing Peach's Brawl design is like seeing in true colors for the first time. She really does look like a princess now.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Bingo. I know its difficult to get her face right because she's got those huge sideburns, something you don't see on hardly any princess, but it makes her face look unique. if you'll notice, they did borrow the good elements of the stock model as a base to work on. The face is based on the Melee model thank god), but the dress shape, earrings, crown, and gloves are based on the stock model, but they look amazing. The hair is the one thing nobody gets right, and they seem to finally have it done like the classic hair she had in the old days. I like the fact that they put her in the same pose as the ugly Mario Party stock model. Its almost like they were trying to make the point.

I'm being picky about this because Peach is my tournament character. Suffice to say, I am very pleased. :)

[Mecha Cow]

Not much of a surprise since we already had visual confirmation that Peach was in the game, but a nice update none the less. Sure beats stickers.

[Krueger]

Ha, Peach! It was obvious she would be back. Let her break out all her abilities for the next 1000 times she gets kidnapped.

[Dr. Doom]

You weren't kiddin'.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/peach/peach.jpghttp://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j69/FFConnection/Peach.jpg


While we're on the subject, I think she looks awesome in Strikers Charged.

http://nintenblog.free.fr/goodies/Mario_Strikers_Charged_Football/Wii_SMSC_4c_Peach.jpg

[Mecha Cow]

You just like the boob armor. I'm more excited about the prospect of next-gen upskirt shots myself.

[Peanut]

Dude, Peach is gonna have the sweetest rendered ass EVAR!

[愛]

Even better than Samus? PLEASE! She's got it in the bag!

[Mecha Cow]

Samus is one of those athletic chicks, she doesn't have any T&A. That suit is all padding, man.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Dude, Peach is gonna have the sweetest rendered ass EVAR!

The following game has been rated "T" for "Tight-ass".

This game is going to rule.

[Deathknight]

I have my doubts about Brawl at the moment. Brawl will probably be good but I'm thinking Melee might still be the best one by far. I really don't like how certain characters aren't going to return. Clones I can understand removing but unique characters should stay. New characters look pretty good for the most part but one thing that pisses me off is it looks like you're going to have to use Samus's final smash to use Zero Suit Samus. I'm really hoping they implement something to allow you to use her at any point rather than just after final smash. Also, my friend brought up an interesting point about Pokemon Trainer. If you're forced to switch, if you're good against one of the Pokemon, you could just simply run away while the person uses the other 2 until they're forced to switch and then go on the offense. With that in mind I really don't think Pokemon Trainer is going to work out well.

[Peanut]

I have my doubts about Brawl at the moment. Brawl will probably be good but I'm thinking Melee might still be the best one by far. I really don't like how certain characters aren't going to return. Clones I can understand removing but unique characters should stay. New characters look pretty good for the most part but one thing that pisses me off is it looks like you're going to have to use Samus's final smash to use Zero Suit Samus. I'm really hoping they implement something to allow you to use her at any point rather than just after final smash. Also, my friend brought up an interesting point about Pokemon Trainer. If you're forced to switch, if you're good against one of the Pokemon, you could just simply run away while the person uses the other 2 until they're forced to switch and then go on the offense. With that in mind I really don't think Pokemon Trainer is going to work out well.

That's what will make Melee better? The loss of either Ness or Jigglypuff? Two characters who rarely get used? And I'm sure you'll be able to play as ZSS right away if you want to, just like if you held certain stuff when playing Zelda, you'd start out as Sheik. As for the Pokemon Trainer thing...who the hell are you going to be playing with who's such a complete and utter douche? And you can't run forever in in Smash Bros. You're going to get caught eventually. If your character can run from the other two Pokemon, couldn't the "Pokemon your good against" just run from you in the same way? Pretty weak logic, buddy.

[Cure]

I have my doubts about Brawl at the moment. Brawl will probably be good but I'm thinking Melee might still be the best one by far. I really don't like how certain characters aren't going to return. Clones I can understand removing but unique characters should stay. New characters look pretty good for the most part but one thing that pisses me off is it looks like you're going to have to use Samus's final smash to use Zero Suit Samus. I'm really hoping they implement something to allow you to use her at any point rather than just after final smash. Also, my friend brought up an interesting point about Pokemon Trainer. If you're forced to switch, if you're good against one of the Pokemon, you could just simply run away while the person uses the other 2 until they're forced to switch and then go on the offense. With that in mind I really don't think Pokemon Trainer is going to work out well.

Yeah, and if those three points will ruin Brawl for you, then that's just sad. Not every game will be perfect, but as long the positives outweigh the negatives, it'll be all good.

[Mecha Cow]

Even if they were valid, your complaints are mostly based on speculation.

[Deathknight]

Yeah, just speculations. It'll depend on more than that to ruin Brawl for me but I'm just saying what I'm seeing and hearing are not making it sound good. I like the new characters but that's about it. The stages while they look good aren't stages I want to fight on. I don't know how you guys play but I prefer to play on stages with minimal interference. Not necessarily all FD but stuff like Poke Floats and Brinstar are really just annoying. Also with the Pokemon Trainer thing, when you run away you don't necessarily just run. A Fox for example can run from side to side easily and just laser and avoid confrontation. However, when the bad Pokemon comes out, the Fox will just run in and destroy. It's a lot like how certain Fox players go against Jigglypuff in Melee. Run around and laser and avoid getting close and then when they're above 70 go for the up smash and Jigglypuff is dead. Can't really blame them from running from her though, up throw to rest is too good.

[Peanut]

You're talking about it in the lame tournament sense. Believe it or not, that isn't what the game is about. Taking a game like Smash so seriously is a travesty. I'd rather have insane stages and lots of crazy characters than just the same boring sh*t.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You're talking about it in the lame tournament sense. Believe it or not, that isn't what the game is about. Taking a game like Smash so seriously is a travesty. I'd rather have insane stages and lots of crazy characters than just the same boring sh*t.

Oy, how I've missed you.

Smash Bros. is not a tournament game. People just try to make it one. If you want minimal interference, go play on the new Battlefield, Skyworld, Yoshi's Island or Battlefield. They are making stages for tourney heads like you to play on. Just don't complain that the entire game isn't being tailor suited to the very limited tournament scene's narrow minded viewpoint, because believe it or not, you do not make up the majority on the subject. Most people just want to smash it up and have fun, and the wilder the stages, the better.

[Cure]

And why is they complain about those stages, anyway? If anything, they take more skill to play on them than the regular ones. Hardly any luck is involved on stages like Pokefloats after they all appear once. You'll have it memorized and be able to plan your offensive based on what you know will come up.

[Deathknight]

Yeah, I'm competitive. Makes me wonder though how online play will work. What'll happen when one player wants no items and the other wants all on or how stage selection will work.

[Peanut]

Because, that's not real skill. Don't you know anything? Real skill is abusing the slight movement you get during mid-air dodges to make yourself nearly impossible to hit.

Yeah, I'm competitive. Makes me wonder though how online play will work. What'll happen when one player wants no items and the other wants all on or how stage selection will work.

One of two things: 1) There will be no online. 2) You'll only play with your friends, so you can work that stuff out for yourselves.

[Dr. Doom]

Maybe it'll be something like you can make a match to your specifications and wait for someone else to join, or you can choose to look for other matches that other people have posted. Or it'll just be that there are no pickup matches or anything because that'd be really hard to figure out for that exact reason. Even if it's just that you can only play with someone if you have their friend code or whatever, that'd be cool. I'm really hoping there's SOME online play.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm expecting online play, but I'm also expecting it to be gimped in some manor (no items or something). Do you have any idea how laggy a game like Smash Bros. is going to be, even on a quality online network? This is Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection. I'm expecting some sort of compromise that breaks the game for a lot of people.

I mean, you tourney heads may like the sound of items being turned off on multiplayer, because it just seems like it has to happen. 5 Pokeballs could break it, let alone the assist trophies. But keep in mind the majority enjoy the items, and will be mad as hell that it is gimped, but I just can't see it working. 2 frames of lag would nearly make the game unplayable, and that's pretty much a certainty if you're going to try to get what is literally the most twitchy game in the world online.

I would rather they focus on the single player platformer myself.

[Mecha Cow]

Why do you guys keep acting like 'tournament rules' are a sin against the game? I enjoy 4 player item-fests as much as the next guy, but every now and then I like a good a one-on-one, no items, simple stage battle. Nothing wrong with that, they're completely different styles of play and they are both fun. Like I've said before, Smash' strength lies in the fact that it can do both effectively. Stop the elitist crap, it's just stupid.

[Peanut]

Why do you guys keep acting like 'tournament rules' are a sin against the game? I enjoy 4 player item-fests as much as the next guy, but every now and then I like a good a one-on-one, no items, simple stage battle. Nothing wrong with that, they're completely different styles of play and they are both fun. Like I've said before, Smash' strength lies in the fact that it can do both effectively. Stop the elitist crap, it's just stupid.

Uh...Don't you have that backwards? The elitists are the tournament players who say "WHOMG! ITEMS RUIN TEH GAME!" It's not like I've never played, and/or haven't enjoyed one-on-one matches on a flat battleground, or even 4-player free-for-alls with such rules. Most people who prefer playing with items will still play matches without them, but you'll find most "tournament" players will straight up refuse to play if items are turned on.

We were trying to make the point that Deathknight, as most of the "serious" Smash players tend to do, was already hating on stuff because it changed parts of the game, or possibly made certain characters "broken" for tournament play. Saying we're elitists because the majority of us here would rather play with items is the thing that seems stupid.

[Mecha Cow]

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with Deathknight either. I'm just saying that saying 'tournament rules' suck is no better than saying items suck.

[Cure]

Like it's been said, I don't mind the tournament rules themselves, sometimes it's fun to play with them, it's the hardcore tournament players that are annoying. They swear they're so much better than everyone else and absolutely refuse, REFUSE, to play with items on and on most of the stages. People that take ANYTHING that's meant to be fun and take it so seriously just ruin it. It's just a game not a goddamned way of life.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I didn't mean it like that Mecha. I enjoy playing with items off regularly. Its just sometimes I want to have some brainless fun batting Pokeballs with the patented Ken Griffy Jr. home run bat. I'll be playing with some of my local friends (who take the game too damn seriously), and whenever I turn on the items, they quit playing like I just called their mother a duchebag or something. They're always all "I've got too much skill for that random crap", and I'm like "If you have skill, then a little luck isn't going to ruin your day", and then they want to switch Soul Calibur like I've ruined their fun.

I love a good old duel at Final Destination with no items as much as the next guy, but the charm of Smash is that it isn't some random generic 2D fighter, and that the stages aren't all flat. There's variety, advantage points, upper ground, and turf wars. Its got a free-roaming camera for a reason. Hell, I agree with them on the point of the random exploding capsules. They are cheap, and should be removed, or us given the ability to turn them off. Its not that I don't enjoy playing without items, which I do. Its that I can't stand all the people who outright refuse to mix things up.

[Mecha Cow]

Alright, fair enough. Just got the impression you were advocating the other extreme.

(You can hit Pokeballs with the baseball bat?)

[Spitfire]

The whole cast isn't returning? Well that sucks...I hope Gandorf is still in it, he's my favorite. Though I'm sure if he goes away I'll just find another character to use.

[Mecha Cow]

Ganondorf is confirmed to be in the game.

[Deathknight]

Yeah but he's not going to be a clone anymore. He's probably going to have 2 swords like he did in Wind Waker.

[Peanut]

Or probably not? Considering they've already based both Link and Zelda off of their TP counterparts? I wouldn't be surprised if he has one big sword, though.

[Spitfire]

Even though he was a clone playing as him was still alot different then using Falcon. Falcon was about speed and dodging. Ganondorf was a slow guy but he dealt tons of damage and tanked alot as well. Plus if you got good at dodging as well then you wouldn't get hit as much.

That's why I liked him so much, I could play him like a speed character and still do well because of the damage he does.

This change isn't bad either it's cool to see their mixing stuff up.

[Peanut]

I agree. I enjoyed used him a lot more than Falcon too. As far as exact clones go; I think he was the best one. Especially since playing as either of them was a completely different experience, where as playing as Falco was almost exactly the same as playing as Fox, and playing as Pichu was just...stupid.

[Deathknight]

No, Fox and Falco play COMPLETELY different. Maybe at a casual level they're the same but competitively they're nothing alike. Falco is a much tougher character to play but if you can play him well he's insane. I'd say the main difference is in the type of play. Fox you can do well with good air combos from throws and either up smash or reflector you're opponent off the stage. Falco is a lot different. Falco is all about distracting your opponent with short hop lasers and then getting them into the pillar.

[Peanut]

Yeah, whatever. Don't care. They have the same moves, that's same enough for me. Once again, no one cares or was talking about the game competitively.

[Deathknight]

Yet Ganon and Falcon only have one different move, Foward air. Just making a point that playing them is different. From what I've seen, even casual players play Falco a lot differently than Fox.

[Spitfire]

Yet Ganon and Falcon only have one different move, Foward air. Just making a point that playing them is different. From what I've seen, even casual players play Falco a lot differently than Fox.

But those two characters have different speeds and power. Fox and Falco both run around like their on crack. I'm sure one's slightly stronger or faster but to me it's most noticeable between falcon and Ganondorf.

[Meeko]

As far as clones go, I liked Jigglypuff, mainly for the novelty of floating around, singing and sleeping during battle. Captain Falcon and Ganondorf both annoyed me. They just didn't seem to fit in. Ganondorf will be much better if he actually uses a sword.

[Peanut]

But those two characters have different speeds and power. Fox and Falco both run around like their on crack. I'm sure one's slightly stronger or faster but to me it's most noticeable between falcon and Ganondorf.

Exactly. Fox and Falco are both super fast characters, but other than the fact that Falco shoots faster and is a little stronger, you don't really notice much else.

Ganondorf and C. Falcon feel totally different from each other, because one is fast and fairly powerful, while one is super slow and extremely powerful.

[Deathknight]

The difference in power lies in certain moves. Fox does a rapid combo kick for his down air and Falco simply spikes the person down. Falco also has a more powerful down and foward smash than Fox but Fox has an insanely powerful up smash. Fox is also much faster than Falco is. Though I won't deny that the difference between Falcon and Ganon's speed and power is a lot more.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Jigglypuff had only one useful move. I would celebrate the discharge of that loser.

As for Pichu.........*moan*

Captain Falcon I want kept because he's Captain freaking Falcon. They just need to let him use the damn gun. He has it, so he should be able to use it.

[Cure]

As far as clones go, I liked Jigglypuff, mainly for the novelty of floating around, singing and sleeping during battle. Captain Falcon and Ganondorf both annoyed me. They just didn't seem to fit in. Ganondorf will be much better if he actually uses a sword.

Like I've said before, I feel that there are enough sword users. If Ganondorf were to be revamped, I'd like him to keep the whole dark magic theme, as a kind of counter to Zelda's magic.

[Peanut]

Jigglypuff had only one useful move. I would celebrate the discharge of that loser.

Jigglypuff had one single use for me, and that was using it to beat one of those missions or whatever they were called. The one where you fight Giga Bowser and Mewtwo and...Ganondorf maybe? I can't remember. Either way, Sleep would totally destroy that one.

[Peanut]

Double-post for Smash update.

Link's special moves are out, and nothing has really changed. The only differences are the Boomerang is now the Gale Boomerang, (pulls enemies towards you on it's way back) and the Hookshot is now the Clawshot. He's still got the same old Arrows, Bombs and Spin Attack maneuvers.

For whatever reason, I was really hoping they'd try some new stuff with Link, I guess we can always hope for his alt version (if there is one) to have a bunch of cool new stuff.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm still crossing my fingers for Wolf link and/or Midna.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I don't want Wolf Link if its a separate character. Seems like a waste. I want Wind Waker Link. Oh, and Link's old boomerang was useless. The Waggle-centric Gale Boomerang is even worse.

[Dr. Doom]

Well if WW Link would just be like regular Link with only visual differences and maybe faster, weaker moves, then I'd much rather have someone who plays completely differently. Ideally I'd like both, though. I think Zelda as a series is huge enough to include -=counts on fingers=- 5 or 6 characters (Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, Shiek, WW Link, Wolf and/or Midna) . Especially if the roster is expanding. The Mario games had 6 characters in Melee, after all (Mario, Doc, Bowser, Luigi, Peach, Yoshi).

As far as Falco goes, he's my favorite character in the game. I do like his laser attack better than Fox, but other than that my choice in using him over Fox is purely aesthetic. I like Falco better as a character. If he's not included in brawl (god forbid), it'll suck for me, but yanno, I'll use Fox. I personally think it's ridiculous for them to take away anybody that is already a character, but here we are with all this rumbling that such will be the case. I'm definitely nervous about it, but whatever happens I'm sure I'll adapt. Especially because (unless the game is godawful for some ridiculous reason) there will pretty much be no going back to Melee for me once it's out.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Frankly, I was hoping Mario Galaxy would get some representation in the game like Princess Rosetta replacing Dr. Mario (who is hopefully becoming a costume swap). Smash needs as many women as it can get.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm not sure Galaxy will be represented since it won't come out until like a month before Brawl does, but I guess it's possible. I'm expecting just a stage at most though.

[ThirdMarioBro]

An assist trophy or two is more likely. I wonder if there will be as many of those as there were in Melee?

[Cure]

An assist trophy or two is more likely. I wonder if there will be as many of those as there were in Melee?

Maybe more trophies, but not as many ASSIST trophies. That'd be a sh*t load of animations.

[ThirdMarioBro]

New video up on the site. Let's just say there is a little surprise addition at the end for all us Sunshine fans. Thank the lord, its not Baby Bowser (or Bowser Jr., whatever the hell the little loser is called). That should spell it out for you.

[Meeko]

Bashing them two cages up against each other was not nice.Petey Piranha is an ass.
I'm happy to see that the single player mode will have more depth this time though.
I finished Melee's single player rather quickly and once you got good enough to win against
three level 9's there really wasn't much to do without a friend to play against, though I suppose
online play fixes that anyway.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Well, it Brawl's online mode is as "half-assed" as people claim the mode in Super Mario Strikers is, I'll be happy. Strikers is lag-free the majority of the time (and it handles what does rear its ugly head quite well), and you can reject players with too high a skill level (or a sh*tty connection). The leaderboards are nice, and the layout is nice and simple.

There is no voice chat, but who the hell wants to hear screaming kids while playing Smash?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Anybody notice a the cannonball that was shot out of the smoke and pwnd Mario right before Petey made his badass appearance? The smoke made it look like they were intentionally trying to hide someone. It wasn't the Halberd. It had already left, and the shot came from ground level. There is only one Nintendo character I know of that fires cannonballs, drops cannonballs, and loves cannonballs.

K. Rool

[Spitfire]

Oh cool video! lol I the little robot reference. I like peaty as well so it's cool to see him in there. And I'd love to see that crazy croc pirate in the game.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The update is late. Is today a holiday in Japan or something?

[Barkworm]

Diddy Kong! Awesome.

[Meeko]

It's about time Diddy Kong showed up. If Roy does not make a return (and he won't) Diddy is going to be my new character. K-rool would totally rock, I just hope the single player boss characters are playable.

Also, is the online multiplayer friend codes only, or has that been announced?
I wouldn't like friend code only as I barely know anyone with a Wii in the first place.

[Mecha Cow]

Nothing has been announced regarding online.

Diddy is about the only DKC character I like, and I guess an addition to the DK roster was overdue.

[Krueger]

Yes, Diddy Kong! Another new guy to choose specifically just for giving him a good beatdown and rank up his falls! If Nes is gone, I have found his replacement. :evilgrin:

[Peanut]

Sweet! Diddy Kong is an awesome addition. Although I'm sure TMB will be disappointed Dixie isn't involved. I like it better that way, actually.

Two new roster additions in two weeks. Things are looking up!

[Spitfire]

Maybe you guys talked about this already but I'm not about to read the whole topic to find out...

I wonder if they will do downloadable characters or even levels and trophys for that matter. I think that would be totally awesome. I know this is Wii and not 360 but I always liked that about the 360. I don't have a Wii so I don't know how their online system works but if they did something like that I'd be even happier to buy a Wii for this game.

[Cure]

Maybe you guys talked about this already but I'm not about to read the whole topic to find out...

I wonder if they will do downloadable characters or even levels and trophys for that matter. I think that would be totally awesome. I know this is Wii and not 360 but I always liked that about the 360. I don't have a Wii so I don't know how their online system works but if they did something like that I'd be even happier to buy a Wii for this game.

It's a possibility, but knowing Nintendo, not likely.

Anyway, last night I dreamt they announced Michelangelo. It was so cool. Diddy Kong is cool, though. I'm even more interested to play as him because of how Sakurai described his whimsical moves and whatnot.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm not holding my breath for downloadable characters or stages or whatever, but I could see downloadable trophies or stickers being a definite possibility.

[Dr. Doom]

I really really really hate sitting here waiting to find out who is or isn't going to be brought back in.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Sweet! Diddy Kong is an awesome addition. Although I'm sure TMB will be disappointed Dixie isn't involved. I like it better that way, actually.

Two new roster additions in two weeks. Things are looking up!

Screw it. I'm so haaaaaaaaaaaapy! Diddy is the equalizer. As long as Diddy is in a Donkey Kong related game, Miyamoto can't get his grubby hands on it because its rooted in 1994. Don't need Dixie. Diddy is all that matters. That was the important one, and I got what I wanted. :D :D :D

*gets up and does a happy dance around the neighborhood*

[Deathknight]

I really really really hate sitting here waiting to find out who is or isn't going to be brought back in.
I second that

[Peanut]

I really really really hate sitting here waiting to find out who is or isn't going to be brought back in.

While I'm not worried at all, thanks to all the great new roster additions, I'm with you on wishing they'd just show us their hand; in terms of who got cut and who's returning.

Back onto Diddy for a moment, any particular reason they decided to have him advertise Nintendo on his hat? I think it looks stupid, they should have put a star, or just left it blank. Other than that, I agree with Cure on how interesting Diddy sounds. The way Sakurai described his movement seems like it could be pretty cool. I think I found out the first new character I'm gonna use when the game comes out. (If he's not un-lockable, anyways)

[ThirdMarioBro]

Back onto Diddy for a moment, any particular reason they decided to have him advertise Nintendo on his hat? I think it looks stupid, they should have put a star, or just left it blank.

Because Rare put the logo there in 1995 for DKC2. Its kind of stuck with the character now after this long.

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[ThirdMarioBro]

DOUBLE UPDATE!

For one, K.K. Slider music For the Win.

Second of all.....Yoshi freaking rules in every game he's ever been in.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm diggin' the AC music.

[Cure]

I think it's cool they're using the different shell powers from SMW as Yoshi's final smash.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't care for either of the updates, but what really interests me is the fact that it's a double one. I hope this becomes a trend as the game nears release.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I think it's cool they're using the different shell powers from SMW as Yoshi's final smash.

Hey, any reference to the vastly unappreciated Super Mario World beings a smile to my face.

[Peanut]

"Go! K.K. Rider!" is the song I always had playing in my AC house. That's awesome that it made it into the game. Although, I'd like to see some of the hourly tunes turned into BG music too. AC has a great soundtrack.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Okay, I saw the new update on Smash Dojo. Petey is a boss, but I still assume he's going to be playable as an unlockable or something. Too much effort would have to go into him as a character to not make him playable. Anyway, bosses are always awesome. But....

You can only save one of the princesses? That's fu*king cruel. Which girl from my past do I save?

Who would you save? Peach or Zelda?

[Meeko]

I'm thinking he won't be playable as he wields the cages with Peach and Zelda in them as weapons. How odd would it be for Peach or Zelda to fight Petey who essentially will attack them with them. Though I suppose since you can have more than one of the same character in one match I'm probably thinking too much into it.

Also, I'm gonna' save Zelda, for no other reason than because I like her better.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't think he'll be playable, just like the Hands in Melee weren't. I think that's cool, boss characters seem more menacing if you can't play them yourself. Petey is a lame character anyway, not even Jesus would want to play as him.

And I'd save the one that puts out. Which is probably neither of them.

[Peanut]

Yeah, I'd bet anything that Petey won't be playable. He probably won't be a fully fleshed out character, but instead have like two or three repeating moves, just like a normal boss in any Nintendo game. Figure out the pattern and put him down.

As for who I'd save...seriously...who the f*ck cares? Them trying to shove some kind of whacked out story into this game is the lamest sh*t I've ever heard.

[ThirdMarioBro]

And I'd save the one that puts out. Which is probably neither of them.

Zelda is a prune. Link's been trying to get her in bed for 20 years to no avail. Peach on the other hand flashes her twat with every other move she does.

Peach wins.

[Mecha Cow]

Zelda is a prune. Link's been trying to get her in bed for 20 years to no avail.
Dude, have you ever taken a close look at what Link is wearing? The only thing he's been trying to get in Zelda's bed for is to have a pillow fight.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Roflololololz

[Ra]

Save Peach. She has a bigger ass.

:|

[Barkworm]

As for who I'd save...seriously...who the f*ck cares? Them trying to shove some kind of whacked out story into this game is the lamest sh*t I've ever heard.
True that. I'm not to worried though, Nintendo isn't Sega, they've always had a great sense of self-irony about their characters.

[Mecha Cow]

Nintendo isn't Sega, they've always had a great sense of self-irony about their characters.

Hmm...Now that you mention it, maybe Sonic shouldn't be in this game after all, just to be on the safe side.

[ThirdMarioBro]

It doesn't matter. Sega has nothing whatsoever to do with the development of the game. They would just submit the model, Sakurai would make it unrecognizable, then that would be that.

[Dr. Doom]

**** Peach.

[Mecha Cow]

In your dreams, maybe.

[Peanut]

In your dreams, maybe.

No, Peach is too old for him. He needs someone Hannah's age or younger.

[Dr. Doom]

Zelda > Peach. No question.

[愛]

No, Peach is too old for him. He needs someone Hannah's age or younger.

I think I laughed so hard, my next door neighbor just told me to shut up through the wall. :lol:

[Dr. Doom]

I'm so glad I decided to come back. You ****ing troglodyte. Get back on topic.

[Barkworm]

I love you all!

[Hannah]

No, Peach is too old for him. He needs someone Hannah's age or younger.
Okay, this really isn't funny. Stop namedropping.

[Mecha Cow]

What's the damn update? The website is down. Stupid website, being down all the time.

[Peanut]

Super Spicy Curry. Yes. Probably one of the lamest updates ever. Right up there with stickers and "You must recover!". But this is probably one of the funniest written ones too.

"Is this funny? Is it a joke? You just keep spitting out flames."

[ThirdMarioBro]

Is it ridiculously childish that I find old-school FX Chip Andross to be incredibly creepy?

[Barkworm]

TMB, no offense but some of your typos are comedy gold. :lol:

[Mecha Cow]

These recent character updates have spoiled me. Now anything less bores me.

[Peanut]

These recent character updates have spoiled me. Now anything less bores me.

Pretty much. I do still get slight enjoyment out of AT's and new stages, though.

[Krueger]

Pokemon Trainer special moves! They look pretty sweet. Im gonna have to give this guy a shot. Ivysaur def. has some wicked moves. Move over Pikachu!

[Barkworm]

Last Action Hero av = WIN!

[ThirdMarioBro]

That movie is so cheesy. :lol:

FLAMEBAIT FTW!

[Krueger]

That movie is so cheesy. :lol:

FLAMEBAIT FTW!

Ha ha! Shame on you. Last Action Hero was an instant classic. You know you love it.

[Mecha Cow]

Arnie + Van Damme = Win.

[Cure]

You know, they could gone the gay way and do a separate update for each pokemon but they decided not to, so I'm glad. Anyway, what's up with Charizard's Rock Smash? I don't get it. Does he break the rock with his head or does it go flying?

[Deathknight]

I'm betting that Ivysaur is going to be the favored Pokemon out of the three. I especially like that he can use Vine Wip to throw or grab the side of the level. Too bad though, usually on Wednesday we get a new character added to the roster. I would've liked that more.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Is it just me, or does Pit become more badass with each update? Gliding should be awesome since I'm an evasion player. I run like a little coward, and then jump in and take advantage of other people's hard work and pick off the weak.

In other words: I play Smash like a dirty bitch.

[Mecha Cow]

You're not one of those filthy edgehoggers, right?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm not even sure what that term means.

[Cure]

I think it's when you stand near the edge after sending someone flying so in case they come back, you can hit them again. That's what it sounds like to me.

[Mecha Cow]

Yes, that. It's very annoying, and like snaking in Mario Kart it's not a 'tactic' but just plain cheap.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I don't make a habit of it, but I do admit to having done it on occasion.

[愛]

The argument with that is...why would you just sit there and let them get back on the stage when you can keep hitting them? Besides, I've never had a problem with getting back. I played as Shiek, so I would do the disappearing thing, and the other player would be confused.

[Cure]

The argument with that is...why would you just sit there and let them get back on the stage when you can keep hitting them? Besides, I've never had a problem with getting back. I played as Shiek, so I would do the disappearing thing, and the other player would be confused.

Same here. My favorite is Pikachu and he has that quick attack which is hard to follow.

[愛]

I used to rock faces on the original Smash Bros. with Pikachu. But when I got Melee, I thought Pikachu was terrible. I dunno if they changed Pikachu too much or what, but it just wasn't the same. So I started playing as Marth. Then I was banned from playing as Marth with my Smash Bros. crew because he was marked as "too cheap." So I started playing as Shiek. I think she's cheap as hell, too, but oh well.

[ThirdMarioBro]

She is cheap as hell, but nobody is as cheap as Peach. You can just float a match out with her, then when everybody is up around 120% damage, just drop down and Peach bomb them like a dirty bastard.

[Mecha Cow]

Hey, when you play with a guy who otherwise can't play worth sh*t uses it constantly to score cheap kills and then boasts about how 'great' he is, it's gonna get on your nerves too.

[Dr. Doom]

Yes, that. It's very annoying, and like snaking in Mario Kart it's not a 'tactic' but just plain cheap.

That's a load of ****.

[Peanut]

What's the point in not getting involved in the match, then just running into a crowd and getting cheap kills? How is that even the least bit fun?

As far as edge guarding goes...it's a totally legit thing to do. Isn't the whole point of the game to keep your opponent from getting back onto the stage? I've never really seen it as anything but a part of how the game is played. I don't get angry when people do it to me, because it isn't a cheap tactic; they just kicked my ass enough to the point where they got the upper hand and were able to put me down.

It's almost like saying headshots are a cheap tactic in shooters. That's what the whole damn game is based around!

[Deathknight]

I'd say Sheik is probably the cheapest character. Her combos are just too good and her chain throw works against half the roster and is an easy 0-60. As for Pikachu, yeah I think he did get nerfed. I think it mostly has to do with recovery time from attacks. I remember Pikachu recovering after doing an attack much quicker in SSB than in Melee. As for fighting Peach, Peach is cheap as hell against Fox and Falco but pretty lenient against the rest of the roster. All you have to do with Peach against Fox and Falco is get the down smash off and it's an easy 40 damage.

[Cure]

I'd say Sheik is probably the cheapest character. Her combos are just too good and her chain throw works against half the roster and is an easy 0-60. As for Pikachu, yeah I think he did get nerfed. I think it mostly has to do with recovery time from attacks. I remember Pikachu recovering after doing an attack much quicker in SSB than in Melee. As for fighting Peach, Peach is cheap as hell against Fox and Falco but pretty lenient against the rest of the roster. All you have to do with Peach against Fox and Falco is get the down smash off and it's an easy 40 damage.

How do you do a throw with her chain? I've never seen someone do that.

[Meeko]

What's the point in not getting involved in the match, then just running into a crowd and getting cheap kills? How is that even the least bit fun?

As far as edge guarding goes...it's a totally legit thing to do. Isn't the whole point of the game to keep your opponent from getting back onto the stage? I've never really seen it as anything but a part of how the game is played. I don't get angry when people do it to me, because it isn't a cheap tactic; they just kicked my ass enough to the point where they got the upper hand and were able to put me down.

It's almost like saying headshots are a cheap tactic in shooters. That's what the whole damn game is based around!


Yeah, Edge guarding is a legit tactic in my opinion. I do it all the time as Roy.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Wario Ware fans unite. The best stage ever has been revealed. Greatest. Game. Ever.

[Barkworm]

Very cool. I'm not a fan of the Wario Ware games but this seems like a really cool idea.

[Leogeddon]

omg, that's awesome!! I also love the gliding bit they put in there.

[Meeko]

Eh, I don't like the idea of playing mini-games as you fight.
Reminds me to much of the Game and Watch stage that I also hated.

[ThirdMarioBro]

*sniff* *sniff*

Do I smell a tournament player?

*gets the Raid*

:lol: ;)

[Brodie]

Who said Meeko was in PATech?

I really want to know.

[Peanut]

He was an original member, dude.

[Deathknight]

How do you do a throw with her chain? I've never seen someone do that.
You don't throw with the chain. Chain throw is when you throw someone and then catch them and throw them over and over. Sheik can chain throw almost every character 0-60 with the down throw and Marth can chain throw Fox and Falco with the up throw for example.

[Dr. Doom]

The idea of the stage kinda rubs me the wrong way too, but it certainly deserves a shot.

[Mecha Cow]

I wonder if it's even interactive or just another moving background stage. I'm hoping it's the former though.

[Dr. Doom]

As long as it's not like Icicle Mountain, I think I'll live.

[Mecha Cow]

New movie clip (No link here, you lazy bastards know the URL). Looks like Pit's intro to the story mode. I wonder if each character will have their own intro movie. Seems unlikely, but this one is really character-specific.

[Peanut]

I wouldn't doubt if everyone had their own intro in the story mode, actually.

And it's nice to see that everyone is still a f*cking mute in this game. Great. That should really make for some riveting story-telling. :roll:

[Mecha Cow]

Hey, it's not like anyone's story is going to consist of anything more than 'Save the world and fight your series' bad guy along the way'.

[Peanut]

Hey, it's not like anyone's story is going to consist of anything more than 'Save the world and fight your series' bad guy along the way'.

As far as I'm concerned, I think if they were going to go with a story at all, they should at least make it worthwhile. They've got the whole Kingdom Hearts-esque thing going on, why not make the best of it?

[Cure]

I wonder how it'll be played? Will it be a story for each character? A linear story with stage specific characters? Different worlds? What do you guys think?

[ThirdMarioBro]

He's back again, and about time too,
and this time, he's in the mood,
He can fly real high with his jetpack on,
With his pistols out, he's one tough Kong.
He will make you smile when he plays his tune,
but Kremlings beware cuz he's after you.

D.K....Diddy Kong.



Seriously, who didn't already know his special moves? Lame.

[Cure]

He's back again, and about time too,
and this time, he's in the mood,
He can fly real high with his jetpack on,
With his pistols out, he's one tough Kong.
He will make you smile when he plays his tune,
but Kremlings beware cuz he's after you.

D.K....Diddy Kong.



Seriously, who didn't already know his special moves? Lame.

Yeah, seeing as how the peanut pop gun and rocket barrel were mentioned in his intro, they coulda shown the other two special moves. I'm usually not one to complain about the updates, but lame indeed.

[Peanut]

Seriously, who didn't already know his special moves? Lame.

Coming from the guy who liked the stickers update. LOLZ