SSBB Thread: IT'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[Peanut]

It's not really surprising. You need to visit some of the very low rung smash bros websites to hear this kind of stuff. I hate going to these places, usually because the scum that infests them are the biggest idiots I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. The tournament kids who take it way too seriously, and the Nintendo fanboys who blow their loads over horrible rumors about stupid obscure Japanese characters being in the game.

However, they're always the first places to get any real information that isn't posted on the Smash Dojo. There was some convention in Japan this week, and there was a new playable of Brawl there, so a lot of new info got out.

[Ra]

Ah, well that explains how I didn't know about that. Usually I don't go to those places for all the reasons you just said. Looks like I need to go and take a little poke around then.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Yeah, I did that as well. Apparently the new demo had Rosalina as an assist trophy.

[Cure]

Nothing exciting today, but it's cool to know what to do to unlock some of the harder stuff. There were some trophies in Melee that I would not have known how to get if it weren't for gamefaqs.com.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Due to delays in the completion of Super Smash Bros. Brawl, we’ve had to change the release date of the game to Sunday, March 9th.

I deeply apologize to the people who have looked forward to playing the game for so long and ask that you hold on just a little longer. Thank you for your patience.

Anybody who has kept up with Nintendo releases since around 2002 when Iwata took over knows good and well this is a load of ********. Nintendo always delays any releases they have for the first two months to the end of March so that they release with big numbers at the start of their next fiscal year. Hell, April 9th? I don't think so. Expect it to slip a couple of weeks further. First of all, their fiscal year doesn't start until March 24th. Second, I can't think of a single time in the past FIFTEEN ****ing years that Nintendo has released a game on a Sunday. With them its the work week or nothing.

Nintendo fans take it in the ass once again so that their investors get to see a big numbers in what is sure to be a financial letdown from last year.

Nintendo--so goddamn ****ing predictable. Looks like its time to cancel my paid-off preorder. I've got to move that money to other February purchases rather than think for a month and a half how hard its going to be to dodge spoilers from the Japanese version all over YouTube.

Excuse me while I take down my sig and avatar. The hype train just came to a full stop, and you're going to have to find somebody else to post unofficial updates, because otherwise the Japanese import kids are going to spoil the whole damn game for me in that month in a half.

*edit*

Screw it. I'll join them. I'm not waiting two ****ing months.

[Cure]

Oh, well. **** happens.

[Spitfire]

I'd rather they take longer and release a better game then rush it out and release a half ass'd game with glitches.

[Deathknight]

I seriously doubt it's glitches they're fixing. They just making excuses to delay it as far as I'm concerned. REALLY F***ING PISSES ME OFF! I've been waiting years for this game and they pull this crap way too many times. It's inexcusable as far as I'm concerned.

[Cure]

I'm not saying that it's OK, but like TMB said, this is Nintendo. Am I the only one not surprised by this?

[Dr. Doom]

Anybody who has kept up with Nintendo releases since around 2002 when Iwata took over knows good and well this is a load of ********. Nintendo always delays any releases they have for the first two months to the end of March so that they release with big numbers at the start of their next fiscal year. Hell, April 9th? I don't think so. Expect it to slip a couple of weeks further. First of all, their fiscal year doesn't start until March 24th. Second, I can't think of a single time in the past FIFTEEN ****ing years that Nintendo has released a game on a Sunday. With them its the work week or nothing.

Nintendo fans take it in the ass once again so that their investors get to see a big numbers in what is sure to be a financial letdown from last year.

Nintendo--so goddamn ****ing predictable. Looks like its time to cancel my paid-off preorder. I've got to move that money to other February purchases rather than think for a month and a half how hard its going to be to dodge spoilers from the Japanese version all over YouTube.

Excuse me while I take down my sig and avatar. The hype train just came to a full stop, and you're going to have to find somebody else to post unofficial updates, because otherwise the Japanese import kids are going to spoil the whole damn game for me in that month in a half.

*edit*

Screw it. I'll join them. I'm not waiting two ****ing months.

Jesus ****ing Christ, man, don't you have another family reunion to go to or something? I'm ready to not hear from you for another several weeks. Or ever again. That's fine, too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/Bealzabuth/DramaLlama.jpg

We should only be so lucky.

[愛]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/TheFatedBattle/OHDAMNGOTEM.jpg

[Mecha Cow]

Yes, delays suck, don't they? I'm glad I don't live in Europe.

Seriously, who cares. This game is going to last for-f*cking-ever, one month more or less isn't going to make much of a difference.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I wouldn't mind one bit if it was a delay for quality. Its not. Its a delay for financial reports--nothing more.

Should have seen it coming though.

[Brodie]

I really ****ing hate the trend that TMB has shown over the last year I've bothered to pay attention to him. Utter stupidity defended by fanboy-ism, then when something happens, usually showing how backwards his favored company is, he turns coat real quick and talks so much ****ing ****.

I give it three days before he starts talking about how great nintendo is again.

[The Shelf]

Rawr-agh!!!11!1!pfargtl!!1!!

#$!@&*%#$@

Huagh! Spittle-fart! Grrr! I'm gonna eat pigeon heads!



Wait, what are we talking about?

Oh yeah, Brawl's gonna r0><0rz! w00t!

But in the meantime, I think I'll go re-continue that life I had going before I read this thread. After all, it's just a game....

[Peanut]

Damn...this really f*cking blows, but the last couple posts following TMB's outburst were pretty hilarious.

[Dr. Doom]

Because my good friend would have had to work the launch at Gamestop, this actually works out nicely for some plans we have that weekend. I'm sure I have plenty of gaming to keep me busy until then, anyways. I'm not really that upset.

[Ra]

The only good I see about this delay is that it gives me more time to think about the pros and cons for buying a Wii the play the damn thing. Besides, like Mecha said, this game is going to last for a long time. I can handle the wait.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I give it three days before he starts talking about how great nintendo is again.

I love Nintendo.

(I don't know who, but now you probably owe somebody $5).

[Cure]

Read this as if it were the song from Portal.

This was a failure.
I'm making a post here: HUGE PROTEST.
It's hard to not ask you for compensation.

Smash Brothers Dojo.
You do what you want, because you can.
For the pain of all of us,
except the ones still in bed.


But there's no sense crying over every delay,
We just keep on hoping 'til we finally play.
And the game gets done and you make a neat pun
For the people who still check your site.

I'm not even angry.
Who am I kidding? Yes, I am.
Mainly 'cause you said the game would come out:
3rd of December.
And I checked the updates every day.
And as they sucked it hurt because
I had to check every day.


Now these lame old updates finally got real good,
and in every morning, your site heightened my mood.
So I'm glad Brawl got pushed, otherwise it would be rushed
for the people who still check your site.

Go ahead and shaft me.
I think prefer a litte wait.
Maybe it will not be far way now?
Maybe February -
That was a joke. Haha. Fat chance.
Anyway, this game is great:
It's so exciting and cool.


Look at me still ranting when there's nothing to do.
When I look on this board it makes me glad I'm not you.
I'm addicted to fun, no matter what I'll still be one
of the people who still check your site.

And believe me I still check your site.
I'm playing Halo and still check your site.
I must recover and still check your site.
While others curse you I still check your site.
And when they kill you I'll still check your site.

Check your site...
Check your site.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/sheik/sheik.jpg

Twilight Zelda transforming into Sheik? Tell me how much sense that makes? Aw well, I refuse to complain about anything with thighs that thick.

[Peanut]

Why does it f*cking matter? Zelda wouldn't have been an interesting Melee character with her Sheik transformation, so it's in. Big deal.

Every single place I've gone has the same bullsh*t.

"WAAH! THIS ISN'T CANON! ZELDA DOESN'T TRANSFORM INTO SHEIK IN TP! IT'S SO LAME, AND I HOPE THEY TAKE IT OUT!"

Zelda doesn't have a f*cking story and doesn't have any canon. The characters and plot-lines are nothing but a mess, and quite frankly, a joke. I really don't see why people care.

[Dr. Doom]

Based on the delay I was pretty sure when I went to go check the site that they'd be giving the fans an update they were waiting for (and that seems to have been the case).

[ThirdMarioBro]

Why does it f*cking matter? Zelda wouldn't have been an interesting Melee character with her Sheik transformation, so it's in. Big deal.

Every single place I've gone has the same bullsh*t.

"WAAH! THIS ISN'T CANON! ZELDA DOESN'T TRANSFORM INTO SHEIK IN TP! IT'S SO LAME, AND I HOPE THEY TAKE IT OUT!"

Zelda doesn't have a f*cking story and doesn't have any canon. The characters and plot-lines are nothing but a mess, and quite frankly, a joke. I really don't see why people care.

Hey, it was a casual observation. I'm not complaining. Complaining that Smash Bros. isn't canon is like complaining about winning the lottery.

Oh, and Brawl just nailed a 40/40 in Famitsu.

[Dr. Doom]

Well, hot damn.

[Peanut]

They've also give perfect scores to FFXII and Nintendogs...so...you know.

And just in case anyone missed it, they updated all the character pages with special moves and final smashes.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Building Characters: The SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL Postmortem
Speaker: Masahiro Sakurai (Designer and Director, Sora Ltd.)
Date/Time: TBD
Track: Game Design
Experience Level: All

Session Description:
One of the strengths of Nintendo is its great number of character franchises. SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL builds on this legacy by providing a unique experience for Wii, leveraging many popular characters from the history of Nintendo and beyond. However, integrating so many different characters, each with its own personality, is no easy task, especially when characters from other publishers are willing to join the brawl. The man behind SMASH BROS., Masahiro Sakurai, discusses how he has approached this unique game series.

Sakurai is an excellent speaker from what I saw during the Brawl unveiling at E3 two years ago, so this should definitely be an interesting discussion. I'm probably going to make a transcript from the video we get of the GDC lecture and make it into a mini-book to include inside the box with Brawl.

[Peanut]

I love how he's doing a postmortem before the game even gets released here.

[Deathknight]

Well, having a review for the game pretty much confirms the delay is BS. The game must be ready if it's been reviewed. Also, Melee had English and Japanese selectable on both versions so it can't be a translation issue. Stupid Nintendo, yes you are intentionally delaying this game to watch us suffer. Anyway, very excited that Sheik is back even though I bet she got nerfed really badly.

[Cure]

I think it's time to go on spoiler alert. The latest Famitsu or whatever has a 200-page strategy guide for Brawl, so te characters are bound to pop up soon. Spoiler tags, people, spoiler tags.

[ThirdMarioBro]

You have fun with that. Trying not to get spoiled about Brawl is going to be next to impossible. I was willing to try to keep the spoilers on the thread down for a couple of weeks, but a month and a half? Face it. There's no way in hell. Its like trying not to get wet in a hurricane.

[Peanut]

Yeah, the best thing to do is just stay clear of this thread if you don't want spoilers. I'm just going to post any that I find, so EVERYONE BEWARE TEH SPOILARZ!

[Mecha Cow]

The Zelda purist in me is annoyed that TP Zelda transforms into OoT Sheik, but the Smash Bros. fan in me is glad that one of my best characters from Melee has returned.

By the way, can we please, please use spoiler tags for unlockable characters and stuff? I don't want to have to avoid this thread, and you know, that's what they're for.

Oh, and everyone shut up about the delay already.

*E* Whoa, Olimar's Final Smash is some Biblical sh*t right there: End of Day.

[Spitfire]

Well, having a review for the game pretty much confirms the delay is BS. The game must be ready if it's been reviewed. Also, Melee had English and Japanese selectable on both versions so it can't be a translation issue. Stupid Nintendo, yes you are intentionally delaying this game to watch us suffer. Anyway, very excited that Sheik is back even though I bet she got nerfed really badly.

Their delaying it because they know your going to buy it anyways so they could release it whenever they want to and it doesn't matter. I bet you the pre-orders on this have already raked in enough cash to cover the cost of the game.

[Peanut]

*E* Whoa, Olimar's Final Smash is some Biblical sh*t right there: End of Day.

Yeah, I'm guessing it's just going to be where it all goes dark and some crazy sh*t comes out to eat everyone. End of Day in Pikmin is when it gets dark and you have to return to your ship, so WHO KNOWS!

[ThirdMarioBro]

The delay sucks, make no mistake, but a small part of me is actually enjoying the wait. Think about it. Its (in a sick way) fun to look forward to this game, because we all know its going to be perfect, and because we're never going to get another.

Sakurai made it quite clear after Kirby's Air Ride that he had quite enough of Nintendo's bullsh*t. Part of me thinks the delays on Brawl are his revenge. Nintendo would let EAD and Miyamoto delay a game to hell and back based on their good word, but HAL was forced on many occasions to make deadlines they shouldn't have been forced to meet. The original Super Smash Bros. has a shoestring budget. The amount of content (and the skimpy cartridge memory) backed this theory. Melee was shotgunned out the door in 11 months, because Nintendo wanted launch titles that weren't ready. EAD however was allowed to drag on with Mario Sunshine and Wind Waker for another year or more. Kirby's Air Ride had its release date moved up during a bleak period before all the game's content had been finished.

That was the last straw, so Sakurai left to start his own studio. Its also when Iwata took over for that old bastard Yamauchi. The bias against HAL was over, but Sakurai had already pulled out. Without his involvement, Brawl was meant to be nothing more than a half-assed expansion pack for Melee that would ship with online mode and possibly a couple of new characters, but nothing more.

Sakurai made it quite clear at E3 2006 that he has no intention of making another Smash Bros. beyond Brawl, which is why we're seeing two sequels worth of content in this sucker. This is pretty much the end of the line, so enjoy the anticipation while it lasts, because this is the last time you will be this hyped.

[Peanut]

Blah blah blah blah.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather play a game than wait for it.

[Spitfire]

TMB you remind me allot of this picture
http://www.knispo-guide-to-stock-trading.com/images/FDRYpg26paint.jpg

[ThirdMarioBro]

TMB you remind me allot of this picture
http://www.knispo-guide-to-stock-trading.com/images/FDRYpg26paint.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/noob.jpg

[Brodie]

You're just mad he called you a bi-polar bitch.


Wait, that gives people with Bi-Polar disorder a bad rap....

[Dr. Doom]

That post makes me happy! :)

And then sad.... :cry:

And then ANGRY!!! :x

[Peanut]

That post makes me happy! :)

And then sad.... :cry:

And then ANGRY!!! :x

Your existence angers nerdy virgins the world over.

And seriously, who the f*ck are you guys to constantly nail TMB to the wall? Get him once following one of his insane outbursts? Alright, that's fine, but to keep it up when the joke has worn so VICIOUSLY thin? SAD! Especially when you're a life long whining loser like Spitfire or the epitome of basement dwelling, child molesting creeps like Doom.

Edit: Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ2-JLTET88 Olimar's final smash is at the end. Pretty much like I guessed. Night time, blast off in the space ship, everyone on the stage below gets RAPED.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Never thought I'd say it, but Olimar looks amazing in motion.

[Peanut]

Never thought I'd say it, but Olimar looks amazing in motion.

I agree. Next to Pokemon Trainer, he's the character I most want to try out right now.

[Dr. Doom]

Your existence angers nerdy virgins the world over.

Clearly. Whatever the hell that means.

You're just about the last person in the world to be doling out a finger-wagging over unwarranted attacks, aren't you? I mean, you attacked us for no reason in doing so.

Well, you attacked me for no reason, anyways.

On topic, I'm looking forward to Sonic the most right now out of everyone announced.

[Peanut]

You're just about the last person in the world to be doling out a finger-wagging over unwarranted attacks, aren't you? I mean, you attacked us for no reason in doing so.

Stupidity warrants everything.

[Dr. Doom]

Stupidity warrants everything.

Apparently it does.

[Mecha Cow]

Look at that bastard Olimar strutting about. Dude is a pimp. He even has his own posse.

[Dr. Doom]

Bravo on the stickers, I dare say.

[ThirdMarioBro]

True. I'm a fan of old-artwork, but otherwise I thought the stickers were useless. Now, its actually quite--dare I say...cool? I hope that there is a way though to use them in a special versus mode or something. It would be entertaining to take jacked up characters against someone else's.

[Mecha Cow]

I guess this is cool for people who are into stat-building, but personally I'm glad there's an auto-placement function.

[Peanut]

Yeah, it's neat that stickers do something, but I'll probably use it very little, if at all. It's just a layer of depth I don't require from a game like Brawl.

[Peanut]

THIS PROBABLY COUNTS AS SPOILERS FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO FEAR SUCH THINGS!






So, Famitsu and all that jazz. They've got this issue comes out today in JPN, the one with the 200-page Brawl book in it. At least, this is the book people are saying. It looks like someone on the inside made some VERY interesting leaks...*EDIT* Apparently it was all a mix up, and this is the book that comes out AFTER the release of Brawl in Japan, early in February, so now this is looking more and more legit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/One.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/Two.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/Three.jpg

My immediate thoughts, besides WHOMFG BANJO, were that this doesn't necessarily mean these characters are playable, of course. They could be stickers or AT's or anything. But if you're getting third-party stuff in there, there has to be a rep.

The most interesting one is Necrid, who was I BELIEVE a console exclusive character in SCII. My guess is that doesn't confirm him as a playable, but he's in there as a trophy, AT, sticker or something. He needs a seperate copyright because he's a MacFarlane creation. I'm assuming Namco got someone in (Maybe Pac-Man?) and so Nintendo got them to give over a bunch of stuff for AT's and what not. King of All Cosmos AT = amazing.

Squenix is on that list too, so I'm sure that makes some people pretty happy as well. Geno or some FF character, perhaps?

Thoughts, friends? Fake? Not fake? It could just be that they mentioned these series and characters in the booklet, and needed to provide copyright information, but maybe it's just more confirmation that Sakurai is throwing EVERYTHING HE F*CKING CAN AT THIS GAME!?

[Ra]

Thoughts, friends? Fake? Not fake? It could just be that they mentioned these series and characters in the booklet, and needed to provide copyright information, but maybe it's just more confirmation that Sakurai is throwing EVERYTHING HE F*CKING CAN AT THIS GAME!?
I say it's the latter. This game is going to be epic. Period.

[Dr. Doom]

Ew, Necrid.

He wasn't exclusive, he was in all 3 versions of the game.

Because this info is like ALL over the place, I think I'm reluctant to take it with more than a grain of salt.

[Peanut]

He wasn't exclusive, he was in all 3 versions of the game.


He was console exclusive...that's what I said.

[Dr. Doom]

Well obviously "console exclusive" evoked a different thing for me than what you had intended.

[Mecha Cow]

What Peanut means is that Necrid wasn't in the arcade version of the game.

This stuff seems fairly legit to me, but in all honestly I don't see Banjo or Necrid being anything more than stickers.

[Cure]

If Banjo is playable, I'll be one happy camper. I think to go the extra mile and get characters like Necrid and Banjo in but not playable is kinda dumb. Still, if he's in AT ALL I'd be happy.

[Mecha Cow]

I've heard people suggesting that the copyright info is for the contents of the booklet and not the actual game. Since the booklet has a lot of background info on every character, it's possible that Necrid was shown in a SCII screenshot (for Link), and that Banjo was mentioned in the context of Diddy Kong Racing (for...Snake)...Also note how there is no mention of Kazooie (can you imagine Banjo being in this game without Kazooie?).

I wouldn't be surprised if this info barely reflects on the contents of the game, if at all.

[Peanut]

Yeah, that's what I thought of, and even said in my initial post, and it seems to have been proven correct. However, this just popped up a little while ago as well....

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c283/fallingstarlane/IMG_0869.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3058/brawl48dj8.jpg

The second picture is from a review in some Japanese paper, and the big thing is that it says the game has 48, yes
FORTY F*CKING EIGHT, characters in it. That's...absolute insanity. INSANITY I SAY! Which makes it hard to believe, but I'm so desperate for more info on this damn game that I'm willing to believe anything at this point.

[Mecha Cow]

That would be great. With that number that high it's hard to imagine there won't be any clones, but it's still nice to get a lot of cool characters in there one way or another.

[Dr. Doom]

For what it's worth, it seems that picture of Ness is a screenshot from Melee.

[Mecha Cow]

Yeah. The piece is about Ness' appearance in the previous Smash games or something. I don't think it has any relevance to Brawl.

[Peanut]

Yeah. The piece is about Ness' appearance in the previous Smash games or something. I don't think it has any relevance to Brawl.

It's relevant because apparently it's something of an "obituary" for characters in Melee. I forgot to add the translation for it.

One just popped up for Marth and Roy, too. It mentions them as Ike's predecessors, and this "feature" is called something like "Do You Remember...?". A lot of people are taking this as the final nail in the coffin for all 3 characters.

[ThirdMarioBro]

*edit*

Never mind, read Peanuts post. Never liked Ness anyway. I'm just happy that Onett is in the game, because I loved that stage and its two songs. The article also deconfirms Marth and Roy. Again, didn't like either. Buh-bye.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c283/fallingstarlane/IMG_0913.jpg

Fourty-fu*king-eight characters?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/ThirdMarioBro/n64_zelda_oot_main.jpg

I for one welcome clones if it means more characters.

[Mecha Cow]

It's relevant because apparently it's something of an "obituary" for characters in Melee.
I know, I meant that it wasn't some revelation about him being in Brawl or something.

One just popped up for Marth and Roy, too. It mentions them as Ike's predecessors, and this "feature" is called something like "Do You Remember...?". A lot of people are taking this as the final nail in the coffin for all 3 characters.
Filthy lies. Ness and Roy can burn in hell, but Marth has to be back. :( He...He's got a new game coming out and everything!

Aren't these articles just speculation anyway, or do they actually know something we don't?

[Peanut]

The game is out in less than two weeks in Japan, so all the publications over there already have their review code. They've got all the info, it's just that they probably aren't allowed to release it. These are articles and features coming out that tease facts, but don't actually spell them out plainly. There is no more speculation among the gaming press in Japan. It's all fact at this point.

It's just like the confirmation of Sheik. News that Zelda still transformed into Sheik was leaked in some Japanese articles about starting characters the day before Smashbros.com updated, and then Sakurai went ahead and made that update. Those Japanese...they know...they know it all!

And while I think it would be silly for Marth to get the boot...well...Ike DOES have a very slight variation of his moveset. I can't see them creating an entire new starting character like Ike, and then giving him a cloned moveset of an older character that would also end up being unlockable.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I suppose until the text is fully translated, there is a 1% chance, but I doubt it at this point. Still, if Pichu shows up and Marth doesn't I guarantee you Smashboards and Gamefaqs will go up in flames.

[Peanut]

It already has been fully translated:

Title: "Do you Remember Marth and Roy?"

They are touched upon in the column page, but these two participated in Melee from the Fire Emblem series. One of them is Marth who's from the game Fire Emblem and the Sword of the Dark Dragon and Light. The other is Roy who comes from Fire Emblem The Sword of Seals. Marth wields a fast flowing sword, and though immature Roy wields a potent blade. Can Ike surpass his two predecessors? Stay tuned!"

The key word of course being predecessors, and the fact that no other characters have been brought up in this "Do You Remember" feature, other than Ness, Marth and Roy. Characters who have been on the bubble since the announcement of characters who not only LOOK like replacements, but also make variations on their basic movesets.

And if they're out, Pichu and Dr. Mario are a forgone conclusion.

[Mecha Cow]

And while I think it would be silly for Marth to get the boot...well...Ike DOES have a very slight variation of his moveset. I can't see them creating an entire new starting character like Ike, and then giving him a cloned moveset of an older character that would also end up being unlockable.

This is a fair argument, but if you've been keeping up with Ike in videos and impressions and such, you'll find he is not that much like Marth. He shares Marth's Counter move and his Standard and Up moves are slightly similar, but he's a slow and strong character (supposedly the slowest and strongest so far) whereas Marth was the complete opposite being a light and swift character. Whether or not Marth will end up in the game is anyone's guess, but Ike is not his clone.

[Peanut]

I know all of that, but the point still stands that his moveset is extremely similar. It's like saying Ganondorf isn't a Falcon clone. He plays entirely differently, but his moves are the same. And while Ike, of course, isn't even close to being an exact clone like Ganondorf, it's not like he has a totally original moveset either. That's the only part I'm trying to make. I don't think many would argue that Lucas is a completely different character from Ness, despite the fact that he has several moves that are much different when compared to Ike/Marth, yet everyone has already condemned Ness.

I want Marth to be in too, I enjoyed playing as him and did so quite often, but don't you think it's just a little odd? I guess there is only so much you can do with a sword wielder, but you'd expect a new starter to get an entirely new moveset, and not some rehashes off of an older character.

I honestly hope both Ness and Marth stay. Ness has been a staple in both the previous games, and I thought Marth was one of the best characters in Melee, so I hope all this speculation is incorrect.

[Dr. Doom]

I guess the article neither confirms or denies Marth, Roy or Ness. If you think about what these characters have in common though, it's not absurd to think that they'd put some focus on them regardless of whether or not they were included. Lucas and Ike are the only characters who so far have seemed to replace their predecessors in the starting line up of this game. It may just mean that the 3 of them have been bumped back to unlockable characters.

[Peanut]

I'd say Marth and Roy would have been unlockable characters either way. And Ness was unlockable previously, so it wouldn't be a shock to see him unlockable again in Brawl.

I still think Roy is a goner, though. He really wasn't all that popular, and the game just has too many sword wielders at this point.

And...does anyone have any thoughts on Mewtwo, I know he was a "clone" but he was an unusual one, with moves pulled from different characters and even some of his own stuff. It always felt to me like he was a character all on his own, and not a clone at all. It seems to be a conclusion many in the Smash community have already made that he's not coming back, but why? Does anyone else feel that way?

[Mecha Cow]

And while Ike, of course, isn't even close to being an exact clone like Ganondorf, it's not like he has a totally original moveset either.
I'm guessing you meant Marth. :P

I completely agree with what you're saying, it's just that I don't think the movesets are as similar as you do. I do think Lucas is a replacement for Ness (also because Lucas is Ness' replacement in the Mother series and because he was supposedly going to take Ness' place in Melee already), but I don't think Ike and Marth are similar enough (inside and outside of the context of SSB) for the same theory to fly.

We'll see I guess. Other than redundant characters like Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young Link and (arguably) Roy (that's pretty much all of them I guess) it wouldn't make much sense to take anyone out, especially if the game is going to have three zillion characters anyway.

*E* I'd definitely say Mewtwo is an original character. The similarities to other characters are vague at best, and his playstyle is totally unique. A lot of people seem to think that he's been replaced by Lucario for some reason.

[Peanut]

Which is something I'd love to understand. Where the hell did all of this Lucario hype come from?

The only thing I find worse than all the people clamoring for such a boring Pokemon are the losers who want Krystal and, all of a sudden, that idiot robot guy who was a trophy in Melee. I forget his name, but he's from Custom Robo.

[Mecha Cow]

Where the hell did all of this Lucario hype come from?

Out of someone's ass, no doubt. I guess the only reason I can see for people assuming Mewtwo is gone is because of the Pokemon Trainer making individually selectable Pokemon kind of redundant (aside from the iconic Pikachu). Then again, I've never heard anyone saying Jigglypuff is out.

And I'll take Ray MK II or whatever over Krystal anyday. Hell, I'll take a playable Jack Thompson over Krystal. Hmm, that would be cool, actually.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Jigglypuff is a Smash staple. I'm no fan, but the little pink balloon is always the first unlockable, so it's probably in. As for Lucario? I could give less of a crap about some random Pokemon who looks like the man child of M.C. Hammer and Hulkleberry Hound.

[Peanut]

Dude, Ai and I were just talking about this, why the f*ck don't you come on MSN anymore? Every night we get into an MSN chat with Cure and talk about Smash and other videogame sh*t, and you're nowhere to be found. Does no one else enjoying talking about our hobby? Are you all ASHAMED!? HUH!? F*ckers...

[Ra]

Wait...you guys are on MSN? Why the hell can't I see you whenever I'm on? :cry:

[Mecha Cow]

I don't even have most of you on my list. I guess I should...add you?

[Peanut]

Yes...YOU SHOULD!

And Ra, I have you on my list, but you never seem to come online. It's the same for a few of my friends, actually. I can't see them online, and they can't see me online, but we can still talk. It's weird.

[Ra]

Hm, odd. Maybe you have something that says "appear to be offline"? That's what I've been using from time to time. Just check next to your name when you log in. If it says "appear to be offline", I think that's your problem. If not...well, I really don't know.

[Peanut]

lul...I've been using MSN for like...you know...8 years? I know about appear offline. It's not anything like that. MSN has those kinds of problems from time to time.

[Ra]

You keep quiet! I want to look smart for once... :cry:

[Mecha Cow]

Guys, we've got something here. Possible spoilers, you have been warned.

I'm stealing this from GAF who stole it from GameFaqs. Look at this (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/BazilCheshire/1200886587534.jpg) and this (http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6559/vip439380np6.jpg). Remember how some stickers could only be used on certain characters? Look at the little icons at the bottom. The first picture shows Ness and another character (probably Lucas). The second picture clearly shows Pikachu, Pokemon Trainer, Jigglypuff and...Lucario. Also note how that's all the previous Pokemon characters besides Mewtwo and dead man Pichu. Guess those Lucario idiots were right after all.

These are supposedly from a video on the Japanese Wii site. The video is not loading at the moment so I can't confirm it but here (http://wii.com/jp/movies/smashbros-movie1/)'s the link. Either way, this is looking very legit to me. I'm not jumping the gun just yet, but it seems as if Ness and Jigglypuff are back and Lucario has indeed replaced Mewtwo.

[Cure]

I don't even know who the hell Lucario is, so I did a google image search and got this.

http://seriousnerd.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lucario2.jpg

Uh...OK.

[The Shelf]

What ever happened to Pokemon looking like "normal" animal and plant hybrids?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I don't even know who the hell Lucario is, so I did a google image search and got this.

http://seriousnerd.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/lucario2.jpg

Uh...OK.

Lucario = Man Child of M.C. Hammer and Kangaroo Jack

Anyway, that proves it indisputably. Ness, Jigglypuff, Lucario = confirmed.

[Ra]

I kind of like Lucario. Probably because it reminds me of Anubis from Ancient Egyptian mythology, but oh well. I'm going to look forward to seeing what it's going to look like in Brawl...

[Peanut]

God damn it! NOOOOOOOO! Why would they get rid of Mewtwo? He was such a cool character.

[Cure]

God damn it! NOOOOOOOO! Why would they get rid of Mewtwo? He was such a cool character.

The way I'm being optimistic about it is that Mewtwo is so made of win that he doesn't get to use that sticker like the rest of the Pokemon cuz he doesn't NEED it.


















But I doubt it. :cry:

[Deathknight]

Mewtwo was a cool character but definitely needed some tweaking. Though I won't be too upset if he doesn't come back. There are other characters I'd rather have come back than him.

[Mecha Cow]

The way I'm being optimistic about it is that Mewtwo is so made of win that he doesn't get to use that sticker like the rest of the Pokemon cuz he doesn't NEED it.
Mewtwo isn't made of 'win', he is cloned from the genetically manipulated DNA of Me-

Oh, wait, I see. Never mind.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I've lifted this post from Kombo, because I'm too lazy to retype it. Take it with a grain of salt.

Alright, this has been causing a massive internet uproar all day on Smashboards, Game Faqs, and Neogaf and it seems to be our very first, legit leak of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I think it's important to note some things right now:

-The "48 characters" rumor was BS. Apparantly, that wasn't from a Japanese newspaper at all and was actually typed up on a Japanese computer. There are 35 Characters.

-The Ness article in the Famitsu was only "hinting" that Ness would be cut and after the video yesterday that confirmed Lucario, Jigglypuff and his existence as playable characters, it is 100% clear that he wasn't cut. Ness is in Brawl.

-The list may come as a shock to some, mostly due to the fact that we have actually seen the majority of the characters on it and the ones we haven't seen aren't really all that shocking...well, two of them are, but whatever. Some of the characters many were expecting, however, did not make the cut. Also, we've seen all of the third party characters already.

-Not all stages with separate universe icons (aka Smashville and Pictochat) have character reps.

-Dr. Mario, Roy, Pichu, and Mewtwo did not make the cut. May their smashy souls rest in peace.

-SPOILERS AHEAD

Now then, onto the roster:


Mario- Mario Bros.
Link- Legend of Zelda
Kirby- Kirby's Dreamland
Pikachu- Pokemon
Fox- Star Fox
Samus/ Zero Suit Samus- Metroid
Zelda/Sheik- Legend of Zelda
Bowser- Mario Bros.
Donkey Kong- Donkey Kong Country
Yoshi- Yoshi's Island
Peach- Mario Bros.
Ice Climbers- Ice Climber
Pit- Kid Icarus
Wario- Wario Ware
Ike- Fire Emblem
Pokemon Trainer (Charizard, Squirtle and Ivysaur)- Pokemon
Diddy Kong- Donkey Kong Country
Meta Knight- Kirby's Dreamland
Snake- Metal Gear Solid
Lucas- Mother
Sonic- Sonic the Hedgehog
King Dedede- Kirby's Dreamland
Pikmin & Olimar- Pikmin
Lucario- Pokemon
Ness- Mother
Jigglypuff- Pokemon
Ganondorf- Legend of Zelda
Luigi- Mario Bros.
Mr. Game & Watch- Game and Watch
Captain Falcon- F-Zero
Falco- Star Fox
Toon Link- Legend of Zelda
Wolf- Star Fox
Marth- Fire Emblem
R.O.B.- ???


So yeah, there is the cast of Super Smash Bros. Brawl in all it's glory. The only thing that is in question is the inclusion of R.O.B. and whether he is the same robotic operating buddy that is an enemy in Subspace or if he is the one from the StarFox series. But yeah, he's one hell of a WTF character and one awesome roster nonetheless. Not to mention if it is the character from StarFox then the series is getting MASSIVE representation in Brawl, with four characters (two vets, two newcomers). This makes it plain as day that Nintendo has a Star Fox game waiting in the wings, and they're trying to build anticipation for it. Factor 5's secret game, anyone?

And again, at this point consider this 90% fact, 10% rumor. It was leaked by two of the Mods on Gamefaqs and Serebii from Serebii.net (the Pokemon site).

MarkMan (one of the mods from GameFaqs) leaked VF5, Soul Calibur and Tekken stuff (AKA, crap loads about fighting games). And, here's the clincher, he leaked that there would be Star Wars characters in SC4 a month before it was revealed. Reno (the other GameFAQ mod) is also huge. From what I hear he has been leaking info for the past 3 years and it respected among the NeoMods. So yeah, I doubt they would risk their credibility over this and it all seems to match up with a lot of the other "leakers".

If that is the roaster, then I'm satisfied--not ecstatic, but content. There are other characters I would like to be on that roaster, but unfortunately most of them have limited heritages that could be farmed for move-sets. I'd like Lip from Panel de Pon, but all those characters do is drop garbage drops. That would make a kick-ass assist trophy though. I would like Kamek from Yoshi's Island, but all he does is swoop in and cause enemies to morph into monster sizes. Again, limited character idea, but could make an excellent assist. Eggplant Wizard? All he does is throw vegetables. Right now, I'm more curious about stage count, music selection, items, and (obviously) assist trophies (Charging Chuck FTW). I would kill for a classic Mario Bros. stage with working pipes. Think about it. Every Smash Bros. game has the characters respawn in the exact same manner you do in Mario Bros. It would be awesome.

Wolf is the only one that gets under my skin. I just don't know what they could come up with to set him apart from the existing clone, Falco. Three characters with blasters? Unless they do something really different, it's just another potential Fox clone. Krystal and her staff could bring a real defensive game to the table and offer something different from the rest of the pack. I'd also like Midna from TP, but I can live without her.

[Deathknight]

I'd be convinced if Falco wasn't on that list. Falco was a clone thus why would he come back? Then again he might have new attacks or something. I don't play the Star Fox series does anyone have any ideas on how they might change Falco if he indeed comes back so that he isn't a clone? Also Metaknight first appeared in Kirby's Adventure, not Dreamland which also makes me suspicious.

[Dr. Doom]

You may wanna put that in spoiler tags, just to be safe.

It certainly seems like a feasible enough roster, I guess. If this is accurate, it's a pretty good lineup with one major disappointment and 2 other things that make up for it for the most part, if not entirely. Again, assuming this is legit, I'm obviously overjoyed that Falco would still be around and I'm very excited to see what Wolf would have to offer if I can't get Wolf Link/Midna outta this whole thing (which would be a disappointment either way). I guess I'd just be happy that some sort of representative of canis lupus is available. I'm not entirely sure what they could do to separate Fox, Falco and Wolf, but I was happy with Falco as a clone in the first place, so if they only figure out one new moveset between the 3 of them, I'd still be happy. Also, is "Toon Link" supposed to imply WW's Link? Or like "WELL EXCUUUUUSE ME, PRINCESS" Link? Cause that'd be kinda odd. It seems fairly ridiculous that they wouldn't include WW's link in there, and when I think about it, it sorta always made more sense to have him than it did to have Wolf Link.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/InvincibleAgent/roster.jpg

Starter roaster leak.

[Dr. Doom]

Damn, I was hoping to have Sonic and Snake right off the bat.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Iwata Asks: Masahiro Sakurai (http://us.wii.com/iwata_asks/ssbb/vol1_page2.jsp)

Awesome reading right there.

[Peanut]

I hate the roster. I hate this game.

Someone already has the game, some dude from 4chan actually. lol. He posted that picture of the starter screen and even a shot of the game disc, which looks awesome btw.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm pretty satisfied with the roster. A shame there aren't any more third party character, but I guess what we got was good already.

I don't get ROB though. They already used this gimmick in Mario Kart DS.

Also, WW Link is awesome, and the Krystal fans can finally shut up now.

[Deathknight]

Anyone else find it rather suspicious on that starter roster with the exception of Snake and Sonic that only the announced characters are there. Also, it definitely doesn't look like there's enough space to put all 36 characters.

[Mecha Cow]

What is suspicious about it? It makes perfect sense. The Dojo updates did not reveal any unlockable stuff (with the exception of Sonic and Snake who were announced for publicity reasons) so it's logical that all the characters on there are starters. I'm sure they can find room for all the characters, keep in mind that the picture does not show the full screen so it's hard to tell how much space there is left.

I'm fairly confident that the screenshot is real, honestly.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I've gotten to the point that I don't really care to find out. Now there are rumors that possibly debunk that roaster. Its all a conflicting load of crap. We'll have the real roaster in around 9 days or so and then we'll know the indisputable truth.

[Peanut]

Two things make me unsatisfied with the roster:

1) No AC rep.
2) ROB

ROB is the worst WTF character ever. G&W? Awesome, but ROB? F*ck yourself, Sakurai. Like Mecha said, they already pulled that sh*t in Mario Kart DS, the hand of making an awful Nintendo gimmick controller a playable character has been played. F*cking stupid.

One thing I LOVE about the roster:

WIND WAKER LINK FTMFWSFBC!

[The Terror of Death]

Wind Waker Link!!!!!!!!!!! :rolling:

[ThirdMarioBro]

Oh, look. Its one of those casual WW haters. Its he cute? Make a pouty face so your uncle TMB can take a picture.

[The Terror of Death]

Oh, look. Its one of those casual WW haters. Its he cute? Make a pouty face so your uncle TMB can take a picture.

That smilie isnt rolling with laughter its rolling with delight. :) How could anyone possibly hate small fry?

[Peanut]

Small fry?......Get out.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That smilie isnt rolling with laughter its rolling with delight. :) How could anyone possibly hate small fry?

Pardon my mistake then. My vision sucks. ;)

[R-iZZy]

Now that's f***ing sweet that we get Wind Waker Link! When I unlock him, I'll probably use him more than Twilight Princess Link.

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/stages/images/stage23/stage23_080123c-l.jpg

Best. Stage. Ever.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't like scrolling stages, but this is pretty damn cool.

[Peanut]

Yeah, scrolling stages are normally crap, but this looks alright.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Jinjo avatar FTW?

[Peanut]

Jinjo avatar FTW?

MFW, my friend. MFW.

[Deathknight]

For those of you who are interested, that roster has been confirmed to be fake.

[Mecha Cow]

The 35 characters one? Confirmed by whom?

[Peanut]

Source? Link? DON'T LEAVE US HANGING!

[Deathknight]

edit: read the first page of this thread, may take awhile though, smashboards has been a pain lately
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=138804
Also further proof, R.O.B. is an enemy in Adventure mode, why would he be a playable character too?

[The Terror of Death]

Small fry?......Get out.

Its the nickname the map fish gave him. ;)

[Peanut]

edit: read the first page of this thread, may take awhile though, smashboards has been a pain lately
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=138804
Also further proof, R.O.B. is an enemy in Adventure mode, why would he be a playable character too?

I haven't been able to get on Smash Boards all day. Can you copy-paste some info? Cause it still won't load.

And yeah, we've talked about the whole R.O.B. as an enemy in SSE thing, but few people can seem to grasp that logic.

Its the nickname the map fish gave him.

:lol: I know. I just hate those stupid fish. "GHEEEEEEEY"

Back onto Brawl, has anyone noticed that it looks like you can now pull off special moves directly after your recovery move? If I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I am (haven't played Melee for awhile), when you pull off your recovery (or up special) move you have a distance to drop before being able to pull off another move. In all the newer videos I've seen a lot of characters making recoveries, or using their up special, then going right into a side, down or neutral special directly after that. Is this new?

[Peanut]

Double post to help anyone out who's still believing in that 35 character roster. Found this on the Brawl Central forums. (The place isn't that great for the most part, but they do have several intelligent posters who moved over from Smash Boards because of how crowded it is with kids and new people.)

First, someone brings up that the R.O.B. being talked about isn't the NES R.O.B., but ROB64, the stupid robot from Star Fox 64.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Zcx6m36E7MCMEM:http://www.gamehiker.com/gallery/albums/starfox/starfoxas/rob.jpg

And then this was the post made to debunk all claims of either character being on the playable roster...

If that's the case, people keep forgetting that ROB 64 is a regular trophy that is obtained via coin launcher.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/modea/images/modea06/modea06_070919h-l.jpg

Here's the R.O.B. that appears as a standard Subspace enemy. Thus meaning, HE IS NOT AN UNLOCKABLE CHARACTER.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/images/various20/various20_071227h-l.jpg

Here is ROB 64, trophy obtained in the coin launcher. Thus meaning, HE IS NOT AN UNLOCKABLE CHARACTER.

The proof debunking both of these characters is right in front of our noses, and yet the prophet followers choose to ignore it.

All I can say is mother f*cking w00t for logic, and people who actually read the boring Dojo updates.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't think ROB's appearance as an enemy excludes him from being a playable character, though it certainly doesn't seem likely in any case.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I quite paying attention. Each day closer to the Japanese release, another 300 "prophets" come out of the woodwork. Just sit tight and it will all be over by the 31st.

[Peanut]

I don't think ROB's appearance as an enemy excludes him from being a playable character, though it certainly doesn't seem likely in any case.

But what DOES is the fact that all SSE enemies can be turned into trophies via the trophy stand item. I don't think they'd let you get trophies of a playable character by using the trophy stand.

[Mecha Cow]

Oh snap, you're right. I forgot all about the trophy collecting.

[ThirdMarioBro]

While demos of classic Nintendo titles does little for me because they're all already sitting on my Wii menu, I think it's wonderful for the current and future generations of kids. The game literally serves as a museum of 120 years of Nintendo history, all compiled on a dual layer DVD.

[Mecha Cow]

OK, this feature is just plain insane. :lol:

How the hell does all this stuff fit on one disc?

*E* Guys, check out the Japanese page. In addition to the games shown on the US page, it also shows Mother 2 (Earthbound) and Fire Emblem 3, both for SNES. Hmm, didn't Melee have characters from both those games?

[Peanut]

This is probably the dumbest feature in the game. They're essentially advertising VC games. Yeah, I'm sure a TON of people need to play a demo of Super Mario Bros.

[The Shelf]

But what DOES is the fact that all SSE enemies can be turned into trophies via the trophy stand item. I don't think they'd let you get trophies of a playable character by using the trophy stand.

So your flawless logic is based on a doubt? I'm still not sure one way or the other whether the list is fake, but your explanation as to why it must be fake is still based on an assumption that is as suspect as the list.

This is probably the dumbest feature in the game. They're essentially advertising VC games. Yeah, I'm sure a TON of people need to play a demo of Super Mario Bros.

Super Mario Bros.? No, but I'd love to play a demo of all those other games. Some of us don't have tons of extra cash to spend on virtual console versions of all those games, and it's nice to try them out before buying them all. It's a shame that the virtual console doesn't allow us to demo a game before buying it because my brother has already wasted money on games that he thought would be cool but turned out to be rather lame.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I hate the roster. I hate this game.

Someone already has the game, some dude from 4chan actually. lol. He posted that picture of the starter screen and even a shot of the game disc, which looks awesome btw.

Is Little Mac in there? If he's on the roster than this is the most awesome game ever.

If not, I hate the game as well.

[Mecha Cow]

Lil' Mac is an Assist Trophy.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Lil' Mac is an Assist Trophy.

Would rather play as him and/or King Hippo.

I mean, who the heck is this Marth guy in Melee?

[Peanut]

So your flawless logic is based on a doubt? I'm still not sure one way or the other whether the list is fake, but your explanation as to why it must be fake is still based on an assumption that is as suspect as the list.

Hence the "think" in my post. Let us not mention the fact that I didn't come up with this, but was simply relaying it to others in this thread. This was thought up by the Smash community at large, with several of the more intelligent members of the community coming to these conclusions. It has nothing to do with my personal opinions.

And how do you figure that using logic and FACTS to dispute something is just as suspect as something someone MADE UP OUT OF NOWHERE!?

[The Shelf]

And how do you figure that using logic and FACTS to dispute something is just as suspect as something someone MADE UP OUT OF NOWHERE!?

To my knowledge, the rule that a character cannot be a trophy and a playable character has never been stated officially; therefore, it is made up. You're using an assumption to disprove something, not facts. The logic of your argument makes sense, but because it is based on an assumption it is not as flawless as you seem to think.

Personally, I'm just gonna wait a few days until it is released in Japan. The amount of arguing going on in sites like Smash Boards is both laughable and tiring. I don't care about these "leaked" things whether they're true or not. The game's going to be fun either way... I just wanna see how Luigi plays gosh-darnit!

[Mecha Cow]

I mean, who the heck is this Marth guy in Melee?
Your daddy, that's who.

[Dr. Doom]

I certainly hope we're not sacrficing something worthwhile for these demos.

[Mecha Cow]

I'd say the fact that the feature is even present is a sign that there was a lot of excess disc space to fill.

[Cure]

# Final Destination is now 100% completely confirmed.
# The ordering for character weight that was shown a few days ago lists the percentages that it takes to KO that character with Mario's Side Smash from the center of Final Destination.
# The best three attacks listed for each character tell which attacks have the most knockback, and what percentage they can KO Mario from the center of Final Destination.
# Wall Clinging is confirmed.
# All of the smashes listed are uncharged.
# Mario can be KO'd at 17% by a fully charged side smash from King Dedede. So from the characters we know, Dedede's fully charged Side Smash is the most powerful move in the game.
# The Pokemon Trainer's pokemon all get fatigued at about 2 minutes, even if you dont move them. They all show visible signs of fatigue: Charizard lowers his head and wings. Squirtle drops his front hands to the ground. Ivysaur's bulb withers.
# The Fanmitsu magazine confirms the starting roster is the 23 characters on the Dojo. (minus Snake and Sonic, and including Zero Suit Samus and Sheik)
# Once fatigued, a Pokemon becomes much slower.
# If you do an aerial dodoge the precise moment before you are hit by an opponent, it will reverse the attack.
# The game allows you to access the rules menu directly from the character select screen.
# When Sheik attacks with certain items such as the Star Rod and Beam Sword, she swings upward twice with a single motion.
# The damage percentages were determined in training mode against a dummy CP and do not take DI in to account.
# Wario's bite can swallow and destroy items and projectiles thrown at him. Everytime he does this, he takes 6% damage.
# The magazine makes no mention of being able to start as Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match.

Here is the Character Info:

Mario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 103%
# Up Smash A: 124%
# Down Smash A: 136

Peach
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Forward A: 124%
# Side Smash A: 135%

Bowser
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 80%
# Aerial Up A: 87%
# Down B: 94%

Yoshi
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 112%
# Aerial Up A: 123%
# Down B: 123%

Wario
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A:105%
# Aerial Up A: 120%
# Side A: 128%

Pit
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 100%
# Side Smash A: 121%
# Down Smash A: 133%

DK
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Smash Side A: 75%
# Up Smash A: 79%
# Smash Down A: 92%

Diddy Kong
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 127%
# Down Smash A: 129%
# Aerial Forward A: 142%

Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Aerial Back A: 115%
# Side Smash A: 126%
# Down A: 131%

Zero Suit Samus
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side B: 111%
# Down B: 112%
# Aerial Back A: 115%

Fox
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 123%
# Aerial Back A: 125%

Link
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Aerial Down A: 84%
# Down Smash A: 107%
# Side Smash A: 119%

Zelda
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Arial Forward or Back A: 67% (WTF!!)
# Aerial Up A: 81%
# Side A: 104%

Shiek
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: Yes
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 89%
# Up B: 132%
# Side Smash A: 142%

Kirby
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side B: 83%
# Side Smash A: 97%
# Down B: 100%

Metaknight
# Number of jumps: 5
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 111%
# Down Smash A: 112%
# Up A: 130%

King Dedede
# Number of jumps: 4
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 44% (Uff!!)
# Up A: 103%
# Up B: 104%

Lucas
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 75%
# Side Smash A: 88%
# Down Smash A: 90%

Ike
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 48%
# Down A: 86%
# Side A: 93%

Pikachu
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Down B: 76%
# Side Smash A: 105%
# Up Smash A: 115%

Ice Climbers
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 110%
# Up Smash A: 113%
# Aerial Forward A: 129%

Olimar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 79% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Down Smash A: 92% (varies depending on Pikmin)
# Side Smash A: 100% (varies depending on Pikmin)

Squirtle
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: Yes
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Light
# Speed: Fast
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 93%
# Side Smash A: 119%
# Down Smash A: 136%

Ivysuar
# Number of jumps: 2
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: No
# Crawling: Yes
# Weight: Normal
# Speed: Normal
Best 3
# Up Smash A: 59% (Ouch!!)
# Aerial Up A: 96%
# Side Smash A: 102%

Charizard
# Number of jumps: 3
# Wall Hop: No
# Wall Cling: No
# Gliding: Yes
# Crawling: No
# Weight: Heavy
# Speed: Slow
Best 3
# Side Smash A: 83%
# Side B: 98%
# Up B: 101%

[Mecha Cow]

You could have just posted the link instead of making that huge-ass post. :lol:

[Peanut]

To my knowledge, the rule that a character cannot be a trophy and a playable character has never been stated officially; therefore, it is made up. You're using an assumption to disprove something, not facts. The logic of your argument makes sense, but because it is based on an assumption it is not as flawless as you seem to think.

Who the F*CK said anything like that? You got trophies for playable characters in Melee by beating modes with them. That is fact, and once again, using a LOGICAL TRAIN OF THOUGHT, people have come to these conclusion. It's very very doubtful that you'll be getting character trophies by using the trophy stand to "catch" them. The facts I were referring to were the FACTS that NES ROB is an enemy in SSE and ROB64 is a regular trophy obtained via the coin launcher. No one said ANYTHING about playable characters not being trophies at all, dipsh*t.

And once again, THIS ISN'T MY ASSUMPTION OR MY ARGUMENT. Read the post next time. This is all from other people, not me at all. Point out where I said the 35 character roster was 100% fake and debunked? I'd love to see it.

F*cking STUPID people.

[The Shelf]

Whoa, Peanut, chill out dude. No one is arguing with you. I'd appreciate it if you didn't use such foul language.

So, TheCure, where did you get those stats at?

[Peanut]

Whoa, Peanut, chill out dude. No one is arguing with you. I'd appreciate it if you didn't use such foul language.

It's funny how everyone here talks so much sh*t, but then when they get told where to go they always resort to the "calm down" thing, then completely dismiss everything else.

[Cure]

Whoa, Peanut, chill out dude. No one is arguing with you. I'd appreciate it if you didn't use such foul language.

So, TheCure, where did you get those stats at?

I got it from brawlcentral.com.

[The Shelf]

It's funny how everyone here talks so much sh*t

And where did I do that? I was just trying to point out that the list could still be legitimate. IIRC, characters in Melee were all unlocked in different manners, so there's no reason to think that ROB couldn't be an exception. I'm not arguing with you -- I never said you were wrong -- I'm just saying that the list could still be correct.

I got it from brawlcentral.com.

Ah, cool. I was just curious. I don't check many of the game-specific fansites. I'll have to check it out.

[Deathknight]

Ok, what exactly is a wall cling?

[Peanut]

Certain characters can cling to walls for a split second, it seems. It's like how C. Falcon can wall-jump, except they can stay on the wall for a little once they hit it. I saw a video of Diddy Kong doing it on YouTube somewhere. He used a wall cling on the bottom of a stage, then was able to jump, double jump and use his recovery to get back on top.

[Mecha Cow]

Basically it works just like wall jumping in Mario Galaxy.

[ThirdMarioBro]

So...wall cling to safe your life in a destructible stage (Pit's for example). As the floor crumbles, wall jump and cling as you wait for other characters to attempt recovery jumps, jump off and footstool off their head to send them to their death, jump and cling to the wall again, and pull a triple jump to stall for time until the destroyed elements of the stage re-spawn.

That, combined with the ability to reflect damage with an air guard (comparable to SFIII:3S's perrys) make this the most nuanced fighter ever made.

[Cure]

I think we're gonna get into another rut of boring updates.

[The Shelf]

Who cares? We'll start finding out everything there is to know in 3 days when it is released in Japan.

[愛]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30012.html

Uh...holy sh*t?

[Dr. Doom]

What are we "holy sh*t"ing at? That was just Mario's Final Smash.

[愛]

Uh, it's cool to look at? Sorry I haven't been constantly refreshing on the deepest and darkest of forums for new leaked information.

[Dr. Doom]

Not only was Mario's Final Smash one of the first updates on the Dojo, but it was in the original E3 2006 trailer, which was some of the first anyone had ever seen of Brawl period, if not the first.

[愛]

Cool, dude. I saw it before, but it was a while ago. I also don't check the dojo. I'm excited as hell for the game, but I don't beat my dick over it.

[Cure]

Intro.

wRBsajRrnY8

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8733/vipper61541pw2.jpg

Don't click that link unless you're ready for MAAAAAAASIVE brawl spoilers. (it's just the damn starter list ;)

I see my favorites in that list. Me so happy. :)

Now, for a possible biggie. Look at the bottom left of this pic next to Snake and Sonic.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2exq25t.png

More spoilers (froms creenshots):

CLICK ONLY IF YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED!!!

http://may.2chan.net/b/src/1201600910678.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/2ur5il2.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/2d7gack.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/qpmf4g.jpg


The blatant Super Mario World reference in there brings a tear to my eye. :)

[Peanut]

Everyone is confirming ROB as playable. I want Sakurai's life to come to an end.

But how f*cking awesome does Captain Falcon's new design look? So bad ass.

[Peanut]

Alright, spoilers concerning returning veterans.

Ganondorf has just been confirmed as playable. However, the word is he has also been confirmed to STILL be a C. Falcon clone. Ness is unchanged, except he has Lucas' FS and Falco is the exact clone of Fox, same FS as well.

I don't know about anyone else, but I think this is COMPLETELY unacceptable. All of this time, and we're still getting clones? And of OLD characters? He works on putting a worthless piece of sh*t like ROB in the game, not only neglecting completely worthy NEW characters, but not even bothering to give MAJOR FRANCHISE CHARACTERS like Ganondorf his own personal move-set? F*ck this guy.

If this, along with the bullsh*t about ROB and the 35 character roster end up being true, I can't say I'm very much aside from completely disappointed. Why would he reveal so many new characters if all the unlockables were just going to be veterans and sh*t secret characters? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Edit: Anger. Seething anger.

Not photoshop, not fake. This is from the same guy who's been playing through SSE and leaking everything all morning. He's confirmed....****! **** THAT STUPID ROBOT!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/upload20000049610kk1.jpg

[The Shelf]

Man, I'm getting so excited. Why did they have to delay this thing another month?! It looks like the 35 character list is turning out to be true, but I am still gonna hold out for the possibility that there are a couple more secret characters that will be really hard to get. Was that pic above with... Bomberman photoshopped or what?

Peanut, leave ROB alone. What did he ever do to you? I don't care for him at all either, but it's not like he detracts from the game at all.

[Peanut]

The Bomberman picture is fake.

And no, I won't leave ROB alone. His addition detracts because of the fact that there were many more worthy characters that deserved to be in this game, which could end up being the last Smash Bros. He's a waste of space. I'm in the majority when I say this.

And while I'm at it, if Wolf gets in, that's another huge f*cking joke.

[Cure]

I don't like it. In Melee, all the franchises were grouped together. Why are they all over the place? I dunno, maybe they'll all get grouped together when all of them are unlocked. Sonic isn't there, anyway. And yeah, ROB sucks.

[Mecha Cow]

I don't like ROB any less than I like G&W, so I'll live. Everyone who matters is back so I'm happy, though teasing me with Bomberman like that is just cruel.

And yes, I am quite aware that I said I was going to avoid spoilers. I am weak, I know.

[Deathknight]

I hope that roster pic isn't complete/real, cause I definitely see no Jigglypuff. How could G&W come back and not Jigglypuff?

[Mecha Cow]

I am so f*cking happy right now, seriously (http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/redcancel/up254056.jpg).

And Jigglypuff is back, don't worry.

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, that's closer to the one I saw here (http://ranobe.com/up/src/up254065.jpg). My initial reaction was "Well, it certainly doesn't look very fake." And the game is out in like what, 2 days? I think we can probably trust this one. The one Peanut linked where everyone was all over the place may just be how it gets laid out before everyone is available.

Anyways, I understand Peanut's frustration, but I'll be totally happy with the game the way it is, I think. I tend to be very optimistic like that, some would probably say to a fault. If this is the final roster, I think it's pretty strong. Even though many of the unlockables are returning characters with familiar movesets, I think we would have looked at it very differently if all the newcomers were reserved for being unlockables. When you consider it, the starting roster is almost as large as Melee's full roster, and we've got 11 more characters with everyone unlocked, putting the total at 35 (that's almost the full rosters of Melee and 64 put together). And while we're missing 4 characters (Mewtwo, Dr. Mario, Roy, Pichu) from the last game, we've got 14 brand new characters (if I'm not mistaken, that's about the starting lineup of the last game), with Lucario and Ike seeming to be in a good position to fill the voids left by Mewtwo and Roy. We really don't have it that bad, but I think people were expecting a lot more shocking developments in regards to the extended lineup, when we will have most of our biggest suprises right off the bat.

The point I guess is being happy with what we got instead of upset about what we didn't, cause that won't really do any good. Also, the starting songlist for the game looks really nice. I can't imagine what else is gonna be packed in there as unlockable tracks. Here's hoping for Gusty Garden Galaxy!

Also, a question; do we know anything about Luigi, Falcon, Marth, Jigglypuff, Toon Link and Ness, and if they'll play any differently?

[Mecha Cow]

Marth seems to have a new set of animations but looks like he's largely the same. Ness is apparently a clone of Lucas (or vice versa, I guess) and 'Toon Link will probably be a clone of Link in the same way that Young Link was (though I reckon he'll have a regular boomerang instead of the Gale one). Don't know about the others.

[Peanut]

That is the correct roster screen. As characters are unlocked, everything shifts to put each series in a vertical row. For instance, once everything is unlocked the first row will be:
Mario
Peach
Luigi
Bowser
and then the next row would be:
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
Young Link

etc. etc. so on and so forth.

[Peanut]

Young Link and Ganondorf in action on thw Wind Waker stage. *nerdgasm*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeIYr5wW78

[愛]

Dude...did he bust out the Wind Waker at the end?! F*CKING JESUS!

[Dr. Doom]

DRAGON ROOST ISLE MUSIC!!!

I think he was taunting at the end, yeah.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Toon Link (I love saying that) is going in my top three. He freaking OWNS. I also love that victory music.

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/01/ssbb_spoilers_leadin.jpg

Cuteness

[poiuytre]

Mixed feelings. The game does a lot right, but I can't pretend it didn't do anything wrong.

They seem to have played their best cards too early if you ask me, like Dr Doom already said as well. Most of the unrevealed characters are veterans and/or clones. :/

It's a shame they chose to add a joke character like ROBOT instead of turning Gannon into a real original character too. I never mained Gannondorf but I expected they would have changed him according to his Twilight Princess moves.

The final character is supposed to be Wolf O'Donnel, a character that I admit I like a lot. I can't wait to see his movelist and Final. :anime:

[Mecha Cow]

Whoa, victory poses? Both those characters do indeed seem like clones, though I would have liked to see Ganondorf use some special moves for more clarification. I don't mind 'Toon Link being a Link clone because it makes perfect sense, but having Ganny be a clone of Cpt. Falcon was stupid in Melee and it's stupid in Brawl.

*E* This is f*cking ridiculous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H6uRcUADi8). Wolf is in, no surprise there. But he's a clone of Fox. Fox. A character that already has a clone in the game. Beyond retarded. This game is doing almost everything right, but this is the one thing I'm going to complain about.

[The Shelf]

Brawl has the same number of clones as Melee had. I see nothing wrong with that, especially considering that Brawl has 10 characters more than Melee. It is a shame that Ganondorf is still a clone, but at least he has a different Final Smash than Falcon, and I heard that one of his special moves is different from before.

[Mecha Cow]

You don't see anything wrong with a has-been series like StarFox (I'm sorry, it's the truth) taking up three slots, with all three characters -two of which are completely insignificant- using the exact same move set, right down to the Final Smash?

At least ROB is original.

[Peanut]

Agreed with Mecha. That's just f*cking inexcusable.

And QUIT defending all this stupid sh*t, Shelf. Seriously. Clones are fine, but like Mecha said, 2 clones of a character from a 3rd string Nintendo franchise? Are you SERIOUS? How about you DON'T put Wolf in and work on giving ESTABLISHED CHARACTERS their own movesets? Or the unthinkable; clone someone who ACTUALLY MATTERS!

[poiuytre]

Wow. I wanted Wolf, but not like this. :(

I wish Geno would have been there instead of ROBOT or Falco. I'm shocked one of the most best and most popular Mario characters is being ignored like that. He even was in the top 3 most wanted characters list of Sakurai. Maybe Square Enix was being difficult giving their approval.

[Dr. Doom]

I'm happy that he's there, but it certainly is a little ridiculous to get rid of single clones of certain characters and then add a second clone of another. Hopefully there's something we're missing. I know I can't really tell what all's going on in that video very well.

Also, I recall a while back that someone reported one of Fox's color swaps was like Wolf. Is it possible that he could be an alternate costume for Fox, just like Wario's classic look?

Also, I think when it gets to the point where everyone's posting in spoiler tags, we may just wanna throw a disclaimer up somewhere and not bother trying to protect anybody. I don't know how many people that are still checking this thread are wanting to not have anything ruined anymore, or why they really would at this point. Maybe we could make a seperate, spoiler-free thread for people? I dunno, just a thought.

[Mecha Cow]

I'm shocked one of the most best and most popular Mario characters is being ignored like that.
Geno is not a Mario character.

And no, Wolf is definitely a seperate character from Fox. Also, look who's just a cameo (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f351/RyderEXE/krystalbrawlcameo.jpg). Hah!

[Peanut]

I'm shocked one of the most best and most popular Mario characters is being ignored like that.

LAWL! OK, buddy.

[Dr. Doom]

I don't think he's quite that popular. But then again, is Captain Olimar? (Legitimate question, not sarcasm)

Anyways, I heard some stuff elsewhere about Wolf being to Fox kinda like what Luigi is to Mario, or at least what he was in Melee. Similar, but different. Not even just the same moves with some different stats. I think I'd be ok with that.

[Peanut]

Wolf is a waste of space. The more different he is, the more worthless his inclusion becomes.

[The Shelf]

Nah, Wolf looks like fun. It's a shame about his final smash, but his move set looks unique enough. I'm curious to see how differently he plays from the others. Plus, I think we're forgetting that Fox is the most popular character in competitive play, so it's really no surprise that they made another version of him to give Fox players more variation. I'm just happy Mr. Game & Watch is still in. He is pure awesomeness. And Luigi has the best final smash ever. And then there's Sonic. And the map editor. And online play. There's just too much stuff in this game to make me happy for me to complain about anything.

[Dr. Doom]

As soon as you mentioned Luigi's Final Smash, I looked it up on the YouTube....oh my god, lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24). What the hell is going on? What's that even from? all I know is it's awesome and I'm glad he's got a proper voice now.

The more different he is, the more worthless his inclusion becomes.

This statement doesn't really make any sense to me. Is it a fair assumption to say that you dislike Wolf's inclusion regardless of what his moves are? Cause you'd figure different is what we're all pushing for.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Wolf is a waste of a roaster spot for an awful character. If he still had the Governor Tarkin voice from Star Fox 64, I'd find him at least humorous. Since Assault though, he's just a Build a Bear Workshop reject.

But hey, screw it. I finally get to fulfill that childhood dream and beat the bloody tar out of Sonic the Hedgehog at the hand of Mario with a baseball bat. Win.

What I want to know about are the assist trophies and Stages. How many, and which ones. I also heard Big Blue from Melee is back in, which makes me smile because I can't count how many good times I had on that unpredictable mess. How many songs are there? I also heard the original Ice Climbers song from Melee is unlockable, which is good because the new one blows, but I LOVE The Summit stage.

Based on what I've seen, I'm maining Mario (FLUDD anti-recovery FTW), Sonic, Toon Link, and Pit. How about everybody else?

*edit*

Zero Suit Samus is selectable from the menu by holding R, so Toon Link just got bumped down a notch.

[poiuytre]

Geno is not a Mario character.
Why not? You can argue that you only think first-party teams can make real Mario characters but he was made specifically for an official Mario game (and he later appeared in another Mario game by roughly the same team.) I think that alone makes him a Mario character already. I mean, what else would he be? I see Ezlo in your signiture, what do you think he is? I think Ezlo and all the other Capcom Zelda characters are real Zelda characters too. Heck, even Birdo and shyguys I think are true Mario characters eventho they were made for an entirely different franchise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%C5%8Dj%C5%8D:_Doki_Doki_Panic).
You can like or dislike these characters all you want, but they're an unchangeable part of cast.

As soon as you mentioned Luigi's Final Smash, I looked it up on the YouTube....oh my god, lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1okqS_Sd24). What the hell is going on? What's that even from? all I know is it's awesome and I'm glad he's got a proper voice now.
LOL This is what happens when you use too many mushrooms.

Based on what I've seen, I'm maining Mario (FLUDD anti-recovery FTW), Sonic, Toon Link, and Pit. How about everybody else?
I'm liking Ike, Sheik, Fox and Marth a lot. They all look like really good characters so they're a shoe-in (yeah I know, lots of people will be maining these, bite me.) Toony Link and Snake I will have to give a proper try to know for sure, but I will probably main them too. :P

[The Shelf]

I believe there are 41 stages to choose from. I can't recall which ones, but they all sounded awesome. I have no idea about what music's available. I'd also like to know how many assist trophies there are and of which characters. If Tails and Knuckles aren't playable, then I hope they're at least assists.

Who will my mains be in Brawl? The same ones from Melee: Luigi, Mr. G&W, Falco, and Pikachu in that order. Plus Sonic, for sure. I can't say about any of the other new characters yet until I have tried them out. If Wolf is any good, then I may swap him in place of Falco. And King Dedede looks like a lot of fun to play, so I may add him to the list. Diddy Kong is a possibility. And I've always wanted to make Bowser a main, but I just couldn't do it in Melee. If they've improved his moves at all, then I'll try him again.

[Mecha Cow]

Why not?
Because he wasn't created by Nintendo, he isn't owned by Nintendo, he's not an acknowledged part of the Mario universe nor does he fit in the slightest, and his only appearance was in a terrible spinoff from twelve years ago. There's no point even debating about this, Geno is not part of the Mario 'cast'.

And even if your arguments and comparisons weren't horribly flawed, which they are, Geno just plain sucks.

As for me, I'll be returning to my old favorites Marth, Sheik, Mario, Cpt. Falcon, Ganondorf and Peach. I'm also looking forward to giving Pokemon Trainer, Pit, Ike and Snake a try, and even though I will probably suck as him, I can't wait to play as Toon Link.

[愛]

Uh, you didn't like Super Mario RPG?

As for me, I only played as Marth and Sheik in Melee. I'll probably give everyone a shot, but you can definitely find me as Sheik, unless they ruined her like they did Pikachu.

[Deathknight]

Anyone got a complete stage listing? I've been looking and haven't really been able to find one. I'm really hoping there's going to be more than 6 stages from Melee.

[Dr. Doom]

I'ts hard to say who I'll definitely be using of the new characters, but I'm looking forward to trying out just about all them, mainly Sonic, Snake, Meta Knight and Trainer. I'm sure I'll continue using my old favorite Falco and I'm interested to see what Wolf has to offer as well, and Samus and Luigi will probably also get quite a bit of play. I also used to use Dr. Mario and Roy a lot, so that will likely default to regular old Mario and Ike.

EDIT: I found this posted about Wolf on another forum I visit, indicating that he is very much a Luigi to Fox's Mario. I don't know how reliable it is, though.

UP B ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: fire fox. A charge followed by a flaming dash in the air.

Wolf: seems like a jetpack. NO CHARGE, just a sudden blast in any direction. This is comparable in difference to Luigi's up B and Mario's. Similar, yet different.

B ATTACK
----------------
Fox: blaster. It fires lasers at rapid speed. The lasers are thin and red and travel very fast.

Wolf: TOTALLY different animation. The lasers are nothing like Fox's. In fact, this move is more like Zero Suit Samus's stun gun. This move is actually not a copy of Fox's blaster at all. The animation is different, the effect is very different. This is a new move.

SIDE B ATTACK
---------------
Fox: Fox illusion. A speedy horizontal dash.

Wolf: Has a similar move, except it goes at a slight 25degree angle. This is indeed a "cloned" move.

DOWN B ATTACK
-------------------
Fox: reflector. It's blue and hexagonal. Hits opponents away.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Red and has blades that fan out on either side. This probably has much greater offensive power, yet nobody has managed to land it at close range yet. Seems unique enough to be considered a new move.

FORWARD SMASH ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: a leaping heel kick in Tae Kwon Do style. Moves Fox forward a bit.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. A lunging palm strike that covers a great deal of horizontal difference and has substantial lag afterwards, yet starts quickly. This is a totally new move, and is like a cross between Captain Falcon's Fsmash and the illusion move.

UP SMASH ATTACK
--------------------
Fox: flip kick. Covers a semi-circle above Fox's head starting in front of him.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. A jumping upside-down dropkick in the Capoera style that hits above him in a single motion, covering a lot more range above him and slightly to the side as his legs spin into position. Once again, massive range and is a totally unique move.

DOWN SMASH ATTACK
------------------
Fox: a split kick that hits on either side of Fox equally. Fast with lag.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Wolf swipes low with his claws, hitting in front of him first and then behind. A unique move that's similar in element to Link's down smash.

FORWARD TILT ATTACK
------------------------
Fox: does a quick roundhouse kick in front of him in Tae Kwon Do style.

Wolf: DIFFERENT ANIMATION. Wolf claws at the opponent with a swing of his arm. Lots of lag and it seems almost like a smash attack in its speed and power. Once again...a unique move.

-----------------------
And that's all we've seen of Wolf as of yet, however, it's clear that he's not nearly worthy of the same "clone" title as people have been giving him just because of his red landmaster.

[Mecha Cow]

Uh, you didn't like Super Mario RPG?It's a decent game, but it doesn't feel like a Mario game at all and I think it's vastly overrated. Paper Mario all the way.

Looks like Falco got some changes too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBpBrpf2khI). There's still some Fox in there, but some of his moves are different.

[Dr. Doom]

Yeah, I saw that...I've been finding it very hard to notice what characters are doing in these YouTube videos, but I can very plainly see that his reflector sheild gets shot out a short distance in front of him, for one.

EDIT: After watching that Wolf gameplay video again, I can see that B attack special is a single, slow shot and I also noticed his "upside-down dropkick" up smash.

[Krueger]

Who didn't see this coming? I'll wait for the North American version.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Super-Smash-Bros-Brawl-Nintendo-Wii-Japan-IN-STOCK-NOW_W0QQitemZ180212051314QQihZ008QQcategoryZ62053Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[The Shelf]

The more I see, the more I feel that all these "clones" that people think Brawl has are actually all Luigified, which is fine in my book. Wolf sounds like he'll play totally different from Fox beyond the basics, and even Falco is getting a little Luigification treatment. I've heard Ganondorf has as well. It's things like this that make me smile when I recall all the people who like to over-react. Hype is a wicked thing.

[Peanut]

I'm glad that many of the clone characters are beginning to look like they've got some good variations in their movesets. However, I don't care how different Wolf is, he's still a complete waste of a roster spot. ROB makes more sense than he does.

Anyways, in Melee I used to play as Link, Mario and Ness a lot; with Marth, G&W, and Ganondorf being my other favourites to play as. I'm planning on using WW (Toon is so stupid. I hope they call him Young Link here) Link, Lucas, and Mario a lot in Brawl, and I really want to try out Pokemon Trainer and Olimar a whole lot.

As far as stages go, the most anyone has unlocked is 40, I believe. There's apparently 41 or more, because no one has gotten the "You've unlocked all the stages" screen, but I don't know if anyone has gotten it yet. I haven't checked much today, so it's likely that someone has.

[Cure]

I wanna use Sonic and my old favorite Pikachu. I like to switch it up constantly, though.

It sucks Luigi doesn't have his Poltergust, though. :(

[Dr. Doom]

It sucks Luigi doesn't have his Poltergust, though. :(

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/TobiasFenrir/Amimuls/iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

Seriously though, what's up with his Final Smash? Does anyone know what that's from? Is it a Luigi's Mansion thing?

[Mecha Cow]

I figured Luigi would have his Poltergust instead of Mario's FLUDD. Do we even know what his Down B move is yet?

And his FS is not from Luigi's Mansion. I have no idea what it's supposed to be, but damn if it isn't totally awesome.

[Dr. Doom]

Do we KNOW he doesn't have the Poltergust?

If he doesn't, I'd personally love to see some sort of reference to Mario & Luigi. Maybe some sort of Lightning power. Or maybe he still just has the spinning move?

[Cure]

Do we KNOW he doesn't have the Poltergust?

If he doesn't, I'd personally love to see some sort of reference to Mario & Luigi. Maybe some sort of Lightning power. Or maybe he still just has the spinning move?

Yeah, it's still the tornado. It's what I've read, anyway, on multiple forums.

[Deathknight]

Well, has anyone heard about any returning Melee stages besides the 6 of the Dojo?

[The Shelf]

However, I don't care how different Wolf is, he's still a complete waste of a roster spot. ROB makes more sense than he does.

First of all, that's your opinion. Many people disagree. I can think of characters I'd rather have instead of ROB and Wolf too. Big whoop.

I'm planning on using WW (Toon is so stupid. I hope they call him Young Link here)

Hehe, they should call him Fox-y Link 'cause he's quick like Fox! >)

Seriously, though, WW/Toon/Young/Foxy Link's moves have been totally amped up in speed. His up-smash has only one sword swing instead of three so you can combo it easier, his down-air falls much faster, and I believe he shoots arrows more quickly than before. Young Link should be much more fun to play in Brawl, and he was already loads of fun in Melee to begin with.

Regarding Luigi, his Poltergust is definitely out (unless it's an item). All of his moves are the same as Melee, but they've been tweaked for the better. For instance, his dash move has more knockback, his down-special is easier to get airborne, his up-special goes slightly forward instead of straight up, and he has more traction for easier control since wave-dashing has been removed from the game. Oh, and his fireball appears to be slightly bigger, and Luigi seems to recover more quickly after shooting it which should make the fireball more viable as a projectile. I am a happy Luigi fan indeed.

Rumor has it that Luigi's final smash comes from Super Mario World (I think -- might have been another game). It's from a mansion where the spotlights kill you when they touch you. Obviously, the effect is much different in Brawl, but it's the closest thing there is to it. I can't wait to hit people with some up-specials after his final smash. That move was so hard to pull off successfully in Melee, but his final smash should make it way more valuable.

EDIT: Here's a stage list that someone compiled on smashboards.com
Here is a list of all of the stages:

Battlefield
Final Destination
Delfino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Mushroomy Kingdom [Overworld/Underworld]
Mario Circuit
Rumble Falls
Bridge of Eldin
Great Sea
Norfair
Frigate Orpheon
Yoshi's Island
Battleship Halberd
Lylat Cruise
Pokemon Stadium 2
Spear Pillar
Port Town
Castle Siege
Wario Ware
Distant Planet
Smashville
New Pork City
The Summit
Skyworld
Mario Bros.
Flat Zone 2
Pictochat
Electroplankton
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone

PAST STAGES
Rainbow Ride
Temple
Brinstar
Yoshi's Island
Corneria
Big Blue
Onett
Green Greens
Pokemon Stadium
Jungle Japes

There are 41 stages in the game. However, one is still unknown. Does anybody know of a stage that is not on this list?

[ThirdMarioBro]

Rainbow Ride
Temple
Brinstar
Yoshi's Island
Corneria
Big Blue
Onett
Green Greens
Pokemon Stadium
Jungle Japes


Those account for all my favorite Melee stages (Big Blue/Yoshi's Island tie for first), so consider me pleased in that regard. Still, it sucks that there are no N64 stages included. Do you know if that list of stages is from someone in the process of unlocking stuff, or is it ripped from the ISO?

[Peanut]

First of all, that's your opinion. Many people disagree. I can think of characters I'd rather have instead of ROB and Wolf too. Big whoop.

I never said it was a fact, did I? And sure, many people will disagree, but I guarantee you there are more people angry about his inclusion than people who like it.

Star Fox doesn't need, and more importantly, doesn't deserve 3 reps. That point just can't be argued. At all.

[The Shelf]

I don't think the guy who compiled the list actually has the game, but he based it off the info coming from people who have. That's why he left off the 41st stage because apparently no one has unlocked it yet. But yeah, I've heard from several people that there are no N64 maps, but that doesn't bother me because there weren't many good ones, imo.

[Peanut]

Has anyone seen some of Ganondorf's new Special Moves? His side-B looks awesome. It's similar to C. Falcon's in that he charges forward, but where Falcon delivers an uppercut, Ganondorf grabs the dude by the throat and throws them at the ground! It looks brutal.

[Deathknight]

Man, that list saddens me. Of all stages, why bring Big Blue back? That had to be one of the most annoying stages in Melee. If you got knocked down on your back on the runway, you flew away with no chance to recover and the setup was just annoying. Why not bring back or even evolve Poke Floats or Mute City? Still, the most upsetting part is no 64 stages. I really wanted Hyrule Castle to come back and Dreamland a great stage too.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Man, that list saddens me. Of all stages, why bring Big Blue back? That had to be one of the most annoying stages in Melee. If you got knocked down on your back on the runway, you flew away with no chance to recover and the setup was just annoying. Why not bring back or even evolve Poke Floats or Mute City? Still, the most upsetting part is no 64 stages. I really wanted Hyrule Castle to come back and Dreamland a great stage too.

Big Blue was the best stage in the game. You had to stay on your toes. Your footing was always shifting, and you had to keep total control of your senses to be able to survive. No predictability with randomly generated tracks. Thanks for bringing back my favorite stage Sakurai. :)

You know what makes me smile most though? All the tourney whores are having to ban Big Blue again because they are too pathetic to stay on top of moving objects. F-Zero FTW Mother-[OHTHECHILDREN!!!] This ain't Street Fighter.

Also, Dreamland was the most boring stage ever. It was like the Melee version with all the fun sucked out of it. Good for 1999, bad for now. Though I do agree with you that it's sad about the lack of N64 stages. The DK stage was badass, and I really wanted to take Diddy to it. Still, the inclusion of Jungle Japes from Melee more than makes up for it, and I can just play the original on the VC in a couple of weeks if I get so inclined. Same goes for Melee. Just because Brawl is here doesn't make the other two worthless for fun.


Again, Big Blue FTMFW.

[Dr. Doom]

I liked Big Blue and Poké Floats, but I hated Rainbow Ride and Icicle Mountain. I like refused to play on Icicle Mountain, it just annoyed the crap outta me. So, yanno, that new DK stage is gettin' no love.

EDIT: I just watched this video from Brawl Central that shows eeeeeeveryone's Final Smash. Good stuff. I tried posting it using the [youtube] thing but it didn't work. So you just get a regular old link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HU_AJbx10Q

[ThirdMarioBro]

Who here loves video game music? Who here loves Nintendo music? Get ready for the boss motherload. Super Smash Brawl (according to the ripped ISO that leaked on SmashBoards last night) contains....

287 Songs!

That's 287 songs, excluding victory themes and long sound effects coming to a total of 1.072GB. That's more data than the entirety of Super Smash Bros. Melee's total game data.

Sweet mother of all that is good and holy.

[Cure]

Yeah, that's pretty sick, mang. A whooooooooooooooole lotta songs.

[Peanut]

That's awesome, but unfortunately that same ISO also revealed that there's only something like 26 AT's in the game. At least that's how it looks.

[Mr. Snackpants]

The video with all the final smashes was pretty sweet. I'm excited to plug in my Wii again. I hope there will be a lot of online players here, because I only know a handful of people who like this game and they live 10 hours away now and are Wii-less.

[Cure]

The video with all the final smashes was pretty sweet. I'm excited to plug in my Wii again. I hope there will be a lot of online players here, because I only know a handful of people who like this game and they live 10 hours away now and are Wii-less.

Pft, you know us. We're there, man.

[ThirdMarioBro]

That's awesome, but unfortunately that same ISO also revealed that there's only something like 26 AT's in the game. At least that's how it looks.

If Lip is one of them, I'll be happy.

[Peanut]

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\effect\assist\ef_barbara.pac, size:81600 off:2A13D480
\effect\assist\ef_customrobo.pac, size:53728 off:2A151340
\effect\assist\ef_cyborg.pac, size:30944 off:2A15E520
\effect\assist\ef_devil.pac, size:11520 off:2A165E00
\effect\assist\ef_excitebike.pac, size:7008 off:2A168B00
\effect\assist\ef_goroh.pac, size:128 off:2A16A660
\effect\assist\ef_heririn.pac, size:128 off:2A16A6E0
\effect\assist\ef_hmbros.pac, size:9824 off:2A16A760
\effect\assist\ef_jeff.pac, size:18336 off:2A16CDC0
\effect\assist\ef_joe.pac, size:51456 off:2A171560
\effect\assist\ef_jugem.pac, size:128 off:2A17DE60
\effect\assist\ef_katana.pac, size:8096 off:2A17DEE0
\effect\assist\ef_kururi.pac, size:77600 off:2A17FE80
\effect\assist\ef_lin.pac, size:39520 off:2A192DA0
\effect\assist\ef_littlemac.pac, size:17568 off:2A19C800
\effect\assist\ef_metroid.pac, size:66528 off:2A1A0CA0
\effect\assist\ef_nintendogs.pac, size:22112 off:2A1B1080
\effect\assist\ef_resetsan.pac, size:90848 off:2A1B66E0
\effect\assist\ef_robin.pac, size:18048 off:2A1CC9C0
\effect\assist\ef_saki.pac, size:65504 off:2A1D1040
\effect\assist\ef_shadow.pac, size:67840 off:2A1E1020
\effect\assist\ef_stafy.pac, size:53632 off:2A1F1920
\effect\assist\ef_tank.pac, size:23648 off:2A1FEAA0
\effect\assist\ef_tingle.pac, size:133216 off:2A204700
\effect\assist\ef_waluigi.pac, size:6944 off:2A224F60
\effect\assist\ef_wright.pac, size:17632 off:2A226A80

Those are the assist trophy files pulled from the ISO. Stuff we've already seen. It's confirmed that Issac from Golden Sun is an AT, though. And I don't really see who he could be on that list, so it might not have all of them in there for some reason?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I don't think there are near enough there to warrant "an insane number of assist characters". There should be WAY more. I'm hoping this is just a half-assed search of an ISO that's only been on the web a day.

[Krang]

Who here loves video game music? Who here loves Nintendo music? Get ready for the boss motherload. Super Smash Brawl (according to the ripped ISO that leaked on SmashBoards last night) contains....

287 Songs!

That's 287 songs, excluding victory themes and long sound effects coming to a total of 1.072GB. That's more data than the entirety of Super Smash Bros. Melee's total game data.

Sweet mother of all that is good and holy.
Wow! Glad to hear that all those composers who were hired for this game were put to good use. :)

Those are the assist trophy files pulled from the ISO. Stuff we've already seen. It's confirmed that Issac from Golden Sun is an AT, though. And I don't really see who he could be on that list, so it might not have all of them in there for some reason?
I haven't seen the ISO myself so I'm just guessing, but since those are in the "effect" directory, maybe those files are just storage for certain special effects used for some of the ATs. The actual graphics and other data could be stored in other locations.

[Dr. Doom]

Top drawer!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Here's hoping, because only 27 assist trophies (which would seem to take little effort to implement) is a waste of the feature.

[Mecha Cow]

Isaac is on the list.

\effect\assist\ef_robin.pac, size:18048 off:2A1CC9C0
Robin is Isaac's Japanese name.

26 is a number that makes sense when compared to the number of Pokeball Pokemon (they're basically the same item), but the way the feature was being presented made me think there would be more. I'd expected the number to at least be higher than the number of playable characters. :ohwell:

[Peanut]

I think my problem with the assist trophies is that there aren't really any "WHOMG! AWESOME!" ones. How do characters like Shadow get an assist trophy, while there are so many awesome Nintendo characters that have zero representation?

Edit: Been searching around for the music, most of it is uploaded to YouTube at this point. King DeDeDe's theme is nothing but unprecedented win.

Edit 2: HOLY F*CK! THEY'VE GOT BOB-OMB BATTLEFIELD IN THERE! *dies*

Edit 3: Remix Animal Crossing theme makes me hard...

Edit 4: Epic version of AC's Town Hall/Tom Nook's store theme gave me goosebumps...how can AC music be epic!? HOW DID THEY DO THIS!?

[Mecha Cow]

I got a link to a torrent with all the songs, am I allowed to post it here?

[愛]

I think it'd be safer to PM it to anyone who wants it.

[Mecha Cow]

Alright, well, anyone who wants it is free to ask for it I gues.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm going to abstain from listening to any of it. I gotta' save some 'HOLY ****" moments for the game. I give myself a week before I break down and nail the torrent.

I did read the whole tracklist though. BOB-OMB BATTLEFIELD should have been in Melee. That makes me smile.


...I need this game so bad.

*edit*

Dammit, I may not last a day.

*edit again*

Fu*k it, make that an hour. Can somebody PM me the torrent?

[Peanut]

Isohunt.com + search = torrent.

It's 1.1gigs, so you'll know the one.

I just finished...not....downloading it and god damn...so...epic. I'm only through the Mario stuff so far, about half way into the Donkey Kong stuff, and my God did they give him a ton of love. Especially in terms of DKC songs, which is golden. I count at least 4 DKC songs, not to mention the DKC stuff that shows up in the various Donkey Kong franchise medleys.

Edit: Just found this...spoilers I guess for anyone who doesn't want to know the soundtrack.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=928518&topic=41189627
That's a list of every single song in the game. They're ordered in exactly the way they play in the not-torrent that I didn't download.

Edit 2: I've been noticing there are a ton of Techno mixes of stuff, which is kinda weird. PS original Star Fox Corneria theme = MFW.

Also, awesome guitar riff to open up the Pokemon theme is genius.

[Dr. Doom]

I saw a lot of things in there that made me happy. The only real dissappointment is no Casino Night or Chemical Plant Zone. They do have Open Your Heart, though, so I can't complain too much. Anyways, I'm gonna refrain from actually listening to anything until I get the game. As far as the music is concerned, that's much more of a religious experience for me, along with the opening movie.

[ThirdMarioBro]

The overzealous love thrown to the Rare DK fans is enough for me to proclaim this greatest game ever, but Super Mario World castle theme? Finally? After all these years of being ignored? I died. It's so awesome.

It's like having 22 games worth of music in one massive load.

[Dr. Doom]

Is it just me, or does Final Destination look smaller to anyone else?

[ThirdMarioBro]

I think you're seeing things. Youtube videos show it to be about the same, but I'm no judge in scale.

So, how many of you are going to boot the game and first thing you do is take Mario and apply his heel to Sonic's blue squeaky-clean ass? I've been waiting for that grudge match since 1992.

$20 and 3-1 odds on the plumber.

http://i29.tinypic.com/28lx3kx.png

Conan O'Brien

[The Shelf]

I think you're seeing things. Youtube videos show it to be about the same, but I'm no judge in scale.

So, how many of you are going to boot the game and first thing you do is take Mario and apply his heel to Sonic's blue squeaky-clean ass? I've been waiting for that grudge match since 1992.

At first I thought Final Destination looked a little smaller too, but after seeing a few more videos, it looks like it may be about the same. It's a little hard to tell.

And actually, I'll be doing the opposite when I first boot the game. Luigi's the real plumber-hero, and Sonic's going to help him rise to the top by taking out the red plumper... Yeah, I'm not good at smack-talk. >_>

But yeah, I think most people are going to expect Sonic players to be complete noobs, so I intend to master him just to spite people. I love Sonic and Mario both, though. Why choose sides?

[Mecha Cow]

It's not about taking sides, it's just that Sonic needs to know his place.

I don't think Final Destination is smaller, it just seems that way because it's rectangular now while it had an octagonal shape in Melee.

Also, has anyone else noticed how Zero Suit Samus actually speaks in her taunts? The voice totally fits, but it's so weird to hear her talk. o_O

[ThirdMarioBro]

There's another thing Sakurai did right. He finally took the mute button off of Samus. Too bad it didn't happen until after the Prime series though.

[Mecha Cow]

Well, Samus spoke in Fusion too, just not with actual voice acting.

[Peanut]

You guys won't be able to do ANYTHING with Sonic because you'll need to unlock him first! And the only known ways to do that so far are to beat the ENTIRE SSE, or play over 300 VS matches. OWNED!

The first thing I'm gonna do is go into a match on Battlefield, Link vs Mario vs Kirby vs Pikachu. Old school. Then I'll hit up some new guys, PKMN Trainer vs Pit vs Olimar vs DeDeDe on Smashville. After that, I'll play a couple more matches to unlock Ness, and 5 more to unlock Marth. Then I'm going to beat Classic Mode with Mario to unlock C. Falcon, and then after a couple more matches I'll move on and play through the SSE.

Man...I hope there's just a ton of trophies and special crap to unlock in the game, I love unlocking things in Smash Bros. I don't know how many times I've deleted my Melee save file so I could unlock everything all over again.

Speaking of Melee, has anyone ever procured all of the trophies? I know I'm missing three or four of them, I think they were Giga Bowser, Crazy Hand, Tom Nook and something else. I'm not sure. Maybe it was Sheriff?

[Cure]

I'm gonna go to training first.

I was no where near getting all the trophies. I got all the ones from the lottery, but not the ones where you had to beat the adventure mode on very hard in 30 seconds or whatever.

[Dr. Doom]

I may feel the need to test the water first as well, just because I know how disoriented I was when I first played Melee, since the physics and such were so different from before. Other than that, I'll likely do one of two things: A) Blast through classic mode in an attempt to unlock both Luigi and Captain Falcon, or B) Jump right into the 100 man Melee in order to get Falco. I know it was a complete pain in the ass getting him last time, but it's been several years, so I'm hoping that will prove to be easy enough. I'm not sure yet how you unlock Wolf, but considering he seems to be the last person that most people unlocked, I'm assuming it's not gonna be something I can do right away.

EDIT: GameFAQs has a description of how to get Wolf. It seems to be something in a particular level of SSE. While I'm not sure how long it will take to get to that level, it makes me feel better that the requirement isn't something like Mewtwo's was (20 Hours or 700 matches in VS mode).

[Peanut]

For Wolf you need to beat the SSE, then go back to a certain level.

[Dr. Doom]

Gotta beat it first? Damn....

Well, what kind of a commitement are we talking here for beating SSE? I remember it being said that it was incredibly elaborate, but how much time are we talking here? Like, Weapons Master Mode from Soul Calibur II, or is it something you can just sit down and beat?

Also, I read on Wikipedia that Alesia Glidewell is providing the voice of Zero Suit Samus. For those who do not know, she was the physical model for Chell, the player character of Portal. She's also reprising her role as Krystal, which lead me to do some investigating. IMDb's page for Brawl has Ike, Fox and Sonic's english VA's from Path of Radiance, Assault, and any recent Sonic game repsectively listed as providing their voices in the game. It seems like people who actually talk (other than Snake, obviosuly) are getting English voice actors this time around. Remember, this is coming from Wikipedia and IMDb, which means it's not the most reliable and could very well just be speculation at this point. But if it is true, all I can say is Ryô Horikawa had better still be Captain Falcon's voice in the english version. (I'll also miss the "Mishaun...COMPREET!" from Falco).

[Peanut]

Initial estimates are at at least 7+ hours.

[Dr. Doom]

I always love an in depth single player experience, so I guess I should be happy about that, even if it does mean it'll take that much longer to unlock Sonic and Wolf, 2 characters I'm most looking forward to playing. I could still probably knock it out on one sitting, but I guess the variable is how far into the game I'd have to go the second time around in order to get Wolf.

[Peanut]

You don't need to go through again. Once it's beaten you can choose a level and go back in. You can unlock Wolf, WW Link and Jigglypuff by doing that.

[Dr. Doom]

Oh, ok. Yeah, that's not too bad at all. Again, it's certainly better than Mewtwo.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Speaking of Melee, has anyone ever procured all of the trophies? I know I'm missing three or four of them, I think they were Giga Bowser, Crazy Hand, Tom Nook and something else. I'm not sure. Maybe it was Sheriff?

How ironic. I just unlocked Tom Nook a week ago while getting back into practice.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/7900/gameandwatchflipel8.png

Double Birdie FTW!

But if it is true, all I can say is Ryô Horikawa had better still be Captain Falcon's voice in the english version. (I'll also miss the "Mishaun...COMPREET!" from Falco).

You'd be the only one. I can't for the life of me stand that voice. The same guy that does Falcon does Shadow, and he's an assist, so I expect a redub.

X-play has the English version. I was hoping to hear some voices, but they talk over the audio.