Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Leo656]

I'm almost positive it will be one of those things they mention maybe once in the movie and never again and will make absolutely no difference to the plot. Kind of like "8 years" having passed between "Dark Knight" and "Dark Knight Rises". They could have easily said "one year" had passed in between and it wouldn't have made a single bit of difference to the story, just like they didn't need to pinpoint Clark's age at 33 in "Man of Steel".

I'm not sure why they feel the need to do things like that, but in the end, it never matters to the story so I'm not really worried about it. "He's been Batman for a while" is as deep as they need to go with it, and nobody would have been concerned. Giving him an exact age and timeframe for his activities is unnecessarily problematic. They should have just said, "He's been Batman for years" and nobody would blink or think twice.

Just disregard the specifics and you'll be a lot better off. 20 years, 30 years, he's 40, he's 50... none of that matters. At all. I wish they never mentioned it.

[Slade]

I know it shouldn't. But it's gunna bug the crap out of me.

[Leo656]

Contrary to popular belief, there are some things I can easily ignore or hand-wave away if it makes things make more sense in the big picture. I don't like Clark being 33 before he becomes Superman, for example, partly because it's never, ever been written that way, and partly because, that just feels way too old. Add in the fact that, Jesus allegories aside - Clark's "sacrifice" being that he gives up his own private and personal life to become the savior of humanity - there's no logical reason to flat-out say that's how old he is, and I just ignore that entire thing. It's literally one line - "I've been here for 33 years", or whatever it was he said exactly - and ignoring it completely doesn't hurt anything.

So, in my head, Superman in MoS is 25, give or take, no matter what the movie said, because fictional characters should never have their ages outright spoken, anyway, because they almost never age. Just like how, in my head, Bruce didn't abandon being Batman for 8 whole years between movies, because he would never, ever, ever do that.

Having Bruce's age in "Dawn of Justice" set somewhere in his 40s is just as easily hand-waved away. Wanna say he's "really" in his late-30s? Go for it, I promise you, if they mention his age on-screen at all, it'll be one time, and never again. So, if it bothers you, just ignore it. It won't change the story at all. :)

It only bothers me even a little bit because Bruce and Clark are generally close to the same age, but eh. How old they are really isn't in any way story-relevant.

I maintain, I'm almost 100% positive they're only doing it this way, so they can spin off a solo Batman series in a couple years with a different actor, showing Batman's pre-"Dawn of Justice" adventures. I'd put money on it, and I'm actually kind of excited to see how they do it. That way they can have the JLA movies and the solo Batman movies running parallel to each other, one with an older Batman running around with the JLA doing all the "big", cosmic-style stories (you just know a JLA movie is going to have Darkseid or some equally fantastical threat), and the other showcasing a younger, grittier, "street-level" Batman taking on "regular" bad guys like Joker, etc.

I actually think it's a really smart move to play, on their part. "Old Batman" running around with the JLA in a movie one year, "Young Batman" teaming with Robin and fighting Joker and Penguin in a movie the year after that. Makes a ton of sense to me.

[Slade]

What if they make a big deal about his age in the film? Though I'm with you and I'm sure they won't. It's only a minor nitpick really. I have more issues with the Lex casting....but whatever.

I can see that 2 Batman thing working, but still for me, that's too much bat and not enough super. Plus, and please correct me if I'm wrong, cus I can't remember for sure, but didn't Snyder say back in Man of Steel that Superman is first? Like there is nobody else yet? I may be wrong on that.

[Leo656]

"Superman being first" as in, the first "super-hero" the public is aware of in this film universe? I can't remember, he may have said that, and it still works if we're going with the "Batman is an urban legend" interpretation. It's not a stretch at all to believe he's been Batman-ing in secret for quite some time before Kal-El showed up. How many years? That's something I prefer be kept vague. They shouldn't be saying stuff like "Bruce is 40-50, he's been Batman for 25-30 years", that just over-complicates things. "Bruce has been Batman for a long time, and he's older than Clark" is as deep an explanation as they should have even attempted. I really hope they don't go into it too deeply in the actual film. I have a feeling they won't, because there's really no point to it.

I too would prefer a little more Superman and a lot less Batman in upcoming films, myself, but, I'm not naive. I am well aware that only myself and about three other people on Earth actually care about Superman anymore. He's not "dark" enough, "conflicted" enough, "angry" enough, or "violent" enough for a society that glorifies Batman and Wolverine. Superman stands for, "Doing good over bad is a choice, and we can all choose to be better people." That's too difficult a concept for modern audiences to grasp. Batman stands for, "Punch your problems until they go away." That's a sentiment people nowadays can whole-heartedly accept. Thus, "Superman Doesn't Sell," which is why the "sequel" to MoS immediately became "Batman Swoops In To Save The Superman Film Franchise" instead.

I don't have to like it, but I'm well aware of it.

[Slade]

Maybe I'm tripping, maybe it was fan talk? But something along the lines of Superman showing up and then others decide "Hey, if he can do it, I can too." Maybe I read it wrong. I can't recall.

[Turo602]

They did in fact say that Superman was the first superhero in this universe. Something along the lines of him inspiring others to come out. Which was then contradicted by Batman being a seasoned vet thing. I guess in their mind, Superman was the first to go public and make noise which then ushers in the age of superheroes.

[Slade]

I knew I read that somewhere. Thanks.

[Leo656]

More rumors from Supermanhomepage.com

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15370

The latest unsubstantiated rumor doing the rounds regarding the plot of "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" comes from GeekTyrant.com who claim that an extra who worked on the film for 10 days has shared with them some of the details of the movie's story.
Please note, none of this can be confirmed or denied at this point in time, so consider it both a potential spoiler as well as pure rumor until we find out more...

According to the extra, the ending of the film has already been filmed. One of the scenes shot featured Batman breaking into Lexcorp to steal kryptonite, and apparently Lexcorp had somehow gotten ahold of General Zod's body.
He went on to talk about the timeframe of the movie and where it picks up, saying that it starts "as the battle between Superman and General Zod ends or is ending (which would explain all the damaged buildings and vehicles we've been seeing in photos) and Batman/Bruce Wayne is attempting to make his way to the Wayne tower in Metropolis."


There has been much speculation about whether the scenes Ben Affleck filmed in Detroit this past week are flashback sequences possibly set during the Superman/Zod battle seen in "Man of Steel", showing Bruce Wayne saving children from the damage caused to the Wayne Enterprises building in Metropolis.

The speculation continues...

Hmmm. "Hmmm", indeed...

[Slade]

If true, guess kryptonite will be introduced in this movie.

[TigerClaw]

How The Batman v Superman SDCC Teaser Should Have Ended

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[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

How The Batman v Superman SDCC Teaser Should Have Ended

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Brilliant.

[Leo656]

Some more set photos of Cavill in the new Superman costume...

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15412

Really glad they fixed the colors, the brighter blues and reds look much, much better. As far as colors go, this may be the best-looking Superman costume we've seen yet, although somehow the redesigned "belt" details look worse to me than before. It could just be how the "buckle" part is oddly square, I'unno. Still looks "incomplete" without the trunks, but it's better than last time, for sure.

Can't wait until we have some set photos of Batfleck in costume. Should be any time now. A ton of stuff is still up in the air, but it's nice to know at least the movie will look terrific.

[MikeandRaph87]

Should an administrator change the title of the thread to March 25th,2016?

[Leo656]

Actually, I'm all in favor of simply renaming it after the movie itself by this point, since it's the only SvB thread and we're discussing all of it, not just the release date. Might as well just call it the "Superman V. Batman: Dawn of Justice Thread", in my opinion.

[Slade]

Yeah, might as well take out everything from pushed on and make it Dawn of Justice.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Might as well call it Justice League origins thread.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Am I the only one who really isn't interested in this film? I mean, of course...I'll probably go see it and while we're ways away of getting anything clip wise to latch on to, I just don't have a lot of confidence in this film or my own personal hype for it.

Of course, I'll freely admit that I have sour grapes as I thought Man of Steel was not a very good movie and The Dark Knight Rises thoroughly disappointed me so I feel a little burnt out in that regard for these characters. I know it's a new take and something we've never seen before on film but basically adding in all of these Justice League characters in a movie that should've focused around the notion of Superman learning the repercussions of killing Zod in the first film now has become "Batman and His Buddies: the Movie."

I get it though. MoS didn't knock things out of the park box office wise, so now they want to go full Justice League. I get it.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you guys think they're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing it in March? I know they want this thing to be a slam dunk and while it could make for an interesting market test to release it in such an early Spring area....they might not be getting the full audience they want for a big movie like this. To that argument you could say, "well they'll release the full Justice League movie in the summer"....but movie franchises aren't and shouldn't be guaranteed.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Am I the only one who really isn't interested in this film? I mean, of course...I'll probably go see it and while we're ways away of getting anything clip wise to latch on to, I just don't have a lot of confidence in this film or my own personal hype for it.

Of course, I'll freely admit that I have sour grapes as I thought Man of Steel was not a very good movie and The Dark Knight Rises thoroughly disappointed me so I feel a little burnt out in that regard for these characters. I know it's a new take and something we've never seen before on film but basically adding in all of these Justice League characters in a movie that should've focused around the notion of Superman learning the repercussions of killing Zod in the first film now has become "Batman and His Buddies: the Movie."

I get it though. MoS didn't knock things out of the park box office wise, so now they want to go full Justice League. I get it.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you guys think they're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing it in March? I know they want this thing to be a slam dunk and while it could make for an interesting market test to release it in such an early Spring area....they might not be getting the full audience they want for a big movie like this. To that argument you could say, "well they'll release the full Justice League movie in the summer"....but movie franchises aren't and shouldn't be guaranteed.

This is exactly how I feel. It's obvious that Warner Bros. & DC wants to cash in on the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but are forgetting why it worked.

[Sumac]

This is exactly how I feel. It's obvious that Warner Bros. & DC wants to cash in on the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but are forgetting why it worked.
Precisely my feelings sbout the issue.
It's like when it comes to non-Batman movies, WB loses it's head.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Precisely my feelings sbout the issue.
It's like when it comes to non-Batman movies, WB loses it's head.

They seem to be making it up as they go along.

[Sumac]

They seem to be making it up as they go along.
And that's kind of bad idea, if you plan to have a long-running series.

[ObiWanFan4life]

And that's kind of bad idea, if you plan to have a long-running series.

When Disney bought Marvel, they let Marvel Be Marvel. DC could really use a DC Studios run by people who actually work for DC make these movies. Or better yet, they should stop rushing to catch up with the competition, and come up with a plan to lead into Justice League. But what do I know? Who am I to disagree with the marketing GENUISES at WB .:roll:

[Leo656]

I'm honestly not too worried about it. For one thing, Marvel's "Avengers" success honestly didn't have everything to do with the fact they put out a half dozen other movies first, because only three of those movies - "Iron Man", "Thor", and "Captain America" - were essential viewing as far as "getting into" things leading up to Avengers, and I'd go so far as to say some of the films, like "Iron Man 2", were almost completely extraneous and unnecessary. It worked out great for Marvel because they got to drop a few more Easter Eggs, get a little more buzz going, and they obviously made a lot of money by doing those others, but they didn't need to take so long or do so many movies along the way. "Avengers" wasn't as good as it was specifically because they "took their time", it was simply because the preceding movies were really good on their own and people wanted to see more of the characters. It's conceivable that it could have turned out just as well if the whole thing had two years or so shaved off of the build-up. DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense; now, post-"Avengers", it makes sense. The reason they never did JLA before wasn't because they didn't know how, it's because they didn't want to take the risk. Now, the risk is minimal; the more heroes in a movie, the more money it makes. They've had a ton of scripts sitting in a drawer for years now. They can get away with "rushing" it because a lot of the groundwork's already been done, years ago, all they gotta do is film it now. It's actually kind of the opposite of "making it up as they go along".

I'unno, I think it'll be fine. I know a lot of people don't like Snyder in general and that'll probably drag it down a little bit, but if nothing else the guy does his research and know how to do "big" stories on screen. And I'm not convinced it's going to be "crammed" until I see all these other characters in costume or are confirmed to be more than just super-brief cameos or teasers. Don't get me wrong, they're trying to do a lot all at once, but it's not a guarantee that they're either rushing or cramming it. It's entirely possible some of these characters may only have a minute of screen time for all we know, just to show they exist before they get the full treatment in JLA.

This is a case where I understand people being cynical, but unlike some case I actually like enough of what I've seen from the people in charge to have a decent amount of faith in the project. I really went into "Man of Steel" wanting to hate it, and I didn't, so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt... for now.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I'm honestly not too worried about it. For one thing, Marvel's "Avengers" success honestly didn't have everything to do with the fact they put out a half dozen other movies first, because only three of those movies - "Iron Man", "Thor", and "Captain America" - were essential viewing as far as "getting into" thing sleading up to Avengers, and I'd go so far as to say some of the films, like "Iron Man 2", were almost completely extraneous and unnecessary. It worked out great for Marvel because they got to drop a few more Easter Eggs, get a little more buzz going, and they obviously made a lot of money by doing those others, but they didn't need to take so long or do so many movies along the way. "Avengers" wasn't as good as it was specifically because they "took their time", it was simply because the preceding movies were really good on their own and people wanted to see more of the characters. It's conceivable that it could have turned out just as well if the whole thing had two years or so shaved off of the build-up. DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense; now, post-"Avengers", it makes sense. The reason they never did JLA before wasn't because they didn't know how, it's because they didn't want to take the risk. Now, the risk is minimal; the more heroes in a movie, the more money it makes. They've had a ton of scripts sitting in a drawer for years now. They can get away with "rushing" it because a lot of the groundwork's already been done, years ago, all they gotta do is film it now. It's actually kind of the opposite of "making it up as they go along".

I'unno, I think it'll be fine. I know a lot of people don't like Snyder in general and that'll probably drag it down a little bit, but if nothing else the guy does his research and know how to do "big" stories on screen. And I'm not convinced it's going to be "crammed" until I see all these other characters in costume or are confirmed to be more than just super-brief cameos or teasers. Don't get me wrong, they're trying to do a lot all at once, but it's not a guarantee that they're either rushing or cramming it. It's entirely possible some of these characters may only have a minute of screen time for all we know, just to show they exist before they get the full treatment in JLA.

This is a case where I understand people being cynical, but unlike some case I actually like enough of what I've seen from the people in charge to have a decent amount of faith in the project. I really went into "Man of Steel" wanting to hate it, and I didn't, so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt... for now.

All good points, all of I agree with. But what makes this frustrating is that they can make a Justice League movie and a DCU that could rival Marvel's. They've done it before with their animated stuff. Just get Paul Dini, get Bruce Timm, get SOMEBODY who knows how to bring these characters to the big screen in a way that's fun and entertaining.

[Slade]

I could be like samx and defend this movie with my life...just cus I LOVE Superman. I wouldn't though. While I will say I do think this movie will kill it at the box office, it may not be good. I actually have hopes and do think it will be alright though.

[Sumac]

DC could really use a DC Studios run by people who actually work for DC make these movies. Or better yet, they should stop rushing to catch up with the competition, and come up with a plan to lead into Justice League.
Exactly.

DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.
It's not necessarily wrong, but the way they doing it, seemingly on the fly changing things, is rather questionable. It's like in order to catch up to Marvel they mindlessly go forward, without strict plan.
MCU was a success, because they have created a plan, created foundation and slowly and deliberately made they plan come to life and voila. WB looks like they want just toss everything they have in a single movie and see if that be able to fly.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense;
Continuation of Superman was in the works for almost 20 years and how it turned out?
I mean, sitting on the idea for the movie for several years and realizing it, are two different things.

I don't like Snyder. I think, much like Bay, he is too much in love with his visual presentation, which makes everything else take a backseat - characters, story, atmosphere. Of couse, since Goyer seemingly not involved with script there is chance, that it will be better, than his usual productions, but I am afraid without some sort of restraining, it can turn out much like Watchmen, where characters and story were trumpled by picture.

[sdp]

DC is taking a different route than Marvel, instead of rushing out 2 origin films to make the team-up like Marvel did with the first Thor/Caps movie. DC is taking the approach of having a "team up" movie and then the JL movie. If DC had done origin movies people would also be complaining that they are ripping off Marvel.

Yeah when they saw how much money Avengers made they kind of rushed for JL and Batman VS Superman but it's not like the movie hadn't been in development hell for over a decade, they just actually started working on it. Superman will eventually get his own sequel, this is a team up movie and it should be fun. We don't need origin films for Batman, we've seen it before, nor do we need one for Wonder Woman. I think that is a very difficult film to make that would go well with the audiences. The other characters like Cyborg and Aquaman will get a glorified cameo at the most.

I'm pretty exited for DC's plans, I was mad at first that the MoS sequel became Batman VS Superman but when I understood that it was more of a crossover movie and not a MoS sequel I became ok with it.

As far as what I hope to see in the upcoming movies? Hope Green Lantern the movie is in continuity. The movie has problems but it sets up the corps pretty well. You can have Hal Jordan being reprised by Ryan Reynolds or have Jon Stewart in and just say Hal went to another sector either is fine. Have The Flash and Green Lantern from the TV shows, Arrow is one of the best DC live action stories ever, and if The Flash is anything like it I don't want a separate continuity when the shows are doing such a great job or any "Bat-embargo" thing going on like with JLU.

[Slade]

That Arrow and Flash won't be in it. They keep the tv and film versions seperate. Just like there was never a Batman/Bruce Wayne in Smallville.


I know people say they get tired of origin stories, but I actually never have agreed with that. Yes, I know Nolan's films should be fresh on people's minds, but this isn't going to be Nolan's Batman. Even with the turtles. People bitched that they didn't want an origin cus everybody knows it. Well, not everybody does.

That's why I'm intrigued by this new Batman a little. He's been at it for some years, he has all these stories that we won't have seen yet. I want to see them. I want to see this Bruce become Batman. Not saying it needs to be in this film, but it needs to happen.


Anybody remember the bilboard in I am Legend? I always wondered if that film was supposed to actually come out in 2012 or whatever year it said.

[Sumac]

Yeah when they saw how much money Avengers made they kind of rushed for JL and Batman VS Superman but it's not like the movie hadn't been in development hell for over a decade, they just actually started working on it.
Once again, being "in development" and actually being worked on, are two different hings. It doesn't matter how long studio has been sitting on the script and throwing random concepts around, it's the actual process that matters. Partially, because final product potentially could have nothing to do with whatever plans studio had decades ago.

nor do we need one for Wonder Woman
Sure, because everyone knows who she is. Not.
She is not Batman, whose origins known to every child and their dog. And there are actually several versions of her origins around. If DC truly want to capitalize on their stable, movie about WW should be one of the most prominent projects in the future.
Besides, considering that WW is one of the (supposedly) biggest heroes in the world and arguably the most popular (well known) female superhero leaving her without movie, would be rather strange. And can potentially create infortunate implications.
And personally I'd like to see how DC would approach such task. :roll:

Hope Green Lantern the movie is in continuity.
Nope.

Anybody remember the bilboard in I am Legend? I always wondered if that film was supposed to actually come out in 2012 or whatever year it said.
Yes, it was actually a plan. However, failure of Superman Returns to generate enough hype and money postponed those plans until now.

[ObiWanFan4life]

According to Journalist/Film-Critic Drew McWeeney, DC is setting themself apart from Marvel with two words, "No Jokes"

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137074-warner-bros-no-jokes-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice

[Andrew NDB]

Hope Green Lantern the movie is in continuity. The movie has problems but it sets up the corps pretty well. You can have Hal Jordan being reprised by Ryan Reynolds or have Jon Stewart in and just say Hal went to another sector either is fine.

I don't think they'll leave it in continuity but I agree they ought to. It wasn't a great movie but it doesn't deserve about 90% of the backlash it's received. It seemed mostly redeemable enough via a sequel (Green Lantern 2).

And I doubt they'll have John Stewart in the BvS or JLA movie. That they made sure and put Cyborg in the movie seems to imply they are worried about an otherwise Whitey cast... which implies Hal, who needs to be a founding member anyway.

[ZariusTwo]

According to Journalist/Film-Critic Drew McWeeney, DC is setting themself apart from Marvel with two words, "No Jokes"

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137074-warner-bros-no-jokes-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice

Who put Lance Storm in charge of this?:P

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty sure people are misinterpreting the "no jokes" thing. Of course there'll be humor, and jokes... just no slapstick or grinding of their movies to a half to pay off with the punchline of a silly joke or anything.

[TigerClaw]

Pretty sure people are misinterpreting the "no jokes" thing. Of course there'll be humor, and jokes... just no slapstick or grinding of their movies to a half to pay off with the punchline of a silly joke or anything.
Yeah, Man of Steel did had some jokes in it. You need Jokes in order to lighten a bad situation.

[The Stryker]

I like it.

Sure it probably won't translate to them overtaking Marvel. But I like that they've decided to take it seriously and keep with that tone while doing straight up comic book stuff.

A lot of times in Marvel movies, especially since Whedon's influence infected the universe. It seems like they're trying real hard to tell a joke or make 'gifable' moments for those internet folk.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I definitely feel like the "New DC" films are going to still have their lighter moments, but in more the sort of dry humor found in Nolan's Batman films. People don't often bring them up, but those movies did have their fair share of subtle, but very effective comedic moments, even during some of the heavier moments ("What is the point of all those push-ups if you can't even lift a bloody log?"). It worked, it broke up the tension occasionally without dragging the movie to a halt for a giant wink at the audience.

That's fine with me. I'm fine with Marvel's movies being a little lighter and "for everyone", and DC's being a little more subtle, a little more introspective. I feel a little contrast is good between the "brands". Otherwise everyone's just taking turns making the exact same movie with different characters.

I know it's still super-early in the game, but anyone thinking ahead to who the "big bad" of the eventual JLA movie is gonna be? Y'think they'll do a tease for it during this movie? I mean, they'd almost have to, right? My gut says Darkseid, but I don't know. I mean, they kind of have to, y'know? They might only get one shot at this and they don't want to waste an opportunity, I can't think of anyone better. On the other hand, though, that might seem overly predictable and "safe", so who knows?

[Slade]

A lot of people are saying Darkseid. I definently want to see him, but I don't know if I'd want it to be in the first JLA film. But then, they'd be copying Marvel with Darkseid teases like Thanos.

Unless they team up to fight Doomsday or Braniac? Maybe a Legion of Doom?

[Leo656]

Doomsday could work. They could definitely do Doomsday in the first JLA movie and have Darkseid be in the second one, or in the proper MoS sequel. I think a Legion of Doom angle would be too bloated. You'd have like 30 characters, and it'd be all "X-Men 3" where everyone's on screen for 30 seconds.

Other than Doomsday or Darkseid, I'unno who would be "big" enough for them to fight. I have a feeling they're the front-runners.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Doomsday could work. They could definitely do Doomsday in the first JLA movie and have Darkseid be in the second one, or in the proper MoS sequel. I think a Legion of Doom angle would be too bloated. You'd have like 30 characters, and it'd be all "X-Men 3" where everyone's on screen for 30 seconds.

Other than Doomsday or Darkseid, I'unno who would be "big" enough for them to fight. I have a feeling they're the front-runners.

If DC is going for their own cinematic universe, Darkseid is "too big" to be the bad guy. If anything, Starro should be their first villain, like he was in the comics.

[Slade]

Just read it's been confirmed Darkseid one be in the first one. Though you never know.

Don't know how I'd feel about Starro being in live action.

How bout Mongul? White Martians?

Hell it might be a Luthor Metallo team up, maybe even toss in Braniac or Doomsday

[ObiWanFan4life]

Just read it's been confirmed Darkseid one be in the first one. Though you never know.

Don't know how I'd feel about Starro being in live action.

How bout Mongul? White Martians?

Hell it might be a Luthor Metallo team up, maybe even toss in Braniac or Doomsday

Save the team up for a more intermediate threat.

[Slade]

Yeah, I'd actually rather see that team up in just a Superman film.

[Leolead]

According to Journalist/Film-Critic Drew McWeeney, DC is setting themself apart from Marvel with two words, "No Jokes"

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/137074-warner-bros-no-jokes-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice
I'd say this is to contrast with Marvel's (over board at times) comedic, lighter tone

[ObiWanFan4life]

I'd say this is to contrast with Marvel's (over board at times) comedic, lighter tone

I understand that Warner Bros./DC want to set themselves apart from Marvel, and that the last time they made a movie with humour (Green Lantern) didn't work. But Green Lantern didn't flop because it had comedy, it flopped because it had a lazy and confused script. In my opinion, a movie that's bad but silly is better than a movie that's bad and takes itself seriously.

[TigerClaw]

According to some info claimed by an Extra, Scoot McNairy is playing Jimmy Olsen, But with a twist, He has Prosthetic Legs. He lost his legs after the General Zod vs Superman battle in Metropolis.
http://www.thedevilseyes.com/2014/08/exclusive-scoot-mcnairys-role-revealed.html#.U_7xuCV19UN.twitter

[Turo602]

Sounds like a weird and unnecessary change to the character...

[RaphaelinSTL]

I actually think this is so far the most positive thing I've thought of the film so far. I really like the idea of someone who dealt with some tragedy based on how horrible the destruction was from the previous film and that people are suffering the effects of his battle with Zod.

I felt that battle was far too destructive in that film to just glance over it in a sequel and I'm glad at least something so far has come out to show that they're going to address that. I'm on board with this change.

[Sumac]

I wonder how they gonna use characters like Flash and Green Lantern without any kind of humour? I don't want to think what will happen if they try to make movie about Shazam with no humour...

I think comic book movies should aknowledge that they are comic book movies. Playing them straight sometimes works, but most of the time it make them look just ridiculuous.

[Slade]

What exactly does that mean? Acknowledge that it's a comic book movie?

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder how they gonna use characters like Flash and Green Lantern without any kind of humour?

Flash is pretty jokey, but Green Lantern is hardly overtly humorous.

And again, they are NOT saying there won't be any humor. People are jumping to ridiculous conclusions.

[RaphaelinSTL]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10686936_10152713237499295_1149217238339116884_n.j pg?oh=21800cecac524f5e5b4c751a985c8aa5&oe=5495AB36&__gda__=1419409763_4b1cb22622779553f7804d76335a8ea c

This is apparently the new Batmobile.

Yeah I have no idea what I'm looking at either, really.

[Leo656]

Looks kinda like the Burtonmobile on Tumbler wheels. I dig it.

The low cockpit has sort of a Norm Breyfogle look and feel to it, like 'Tec Comics from 1990 sorta, but with bigger tires. I like how it's clearly borrowing and merging familiar designs. I love the Tumbler, but I like how this one seems to have a more streamlined look to it. The Tumbler definitely served its purpose and kicked all kinds of ass, but as functionally awesome as it was, I'm happy to once again see a sleeker Batmobile. I hope they do some cool stuff with it. They have a lot to live up to, the last car was an absolute beast.

We still need a lot more to go on as far as the story behind the movie, etc., but so far they've been mostly hitting it out of the park with the visual style. If nothing else it's almost certainly gonna look great. I can't really say I've disliked any of what we've seen so far, everything visual has been entirely in the right direction. Let's hope the story backs it up.

[CyberCubed]

Is anyone else worried they're going to push the New 52 romance between Superman and Wonder Woman in this film? I hate that pairing and I hope that's not what they go for, but with it being a "thing" in the current comics I can see them doing it.

I prefered how in the Justice League cartoon they had Batman and Wonder Woman as a pairing instead. Superman and Wonder Woman need to be "humanized" with power-less humans like Lois Lane and Bruce, rather than see two superpowered beasts together.

[raph27]

Is anyone else worried they're going to push the New 52 romance between Superman and Wonder Woman in this film? I hate that pairing and I hope that's not what they go for, but with it being a "thing" in the current comics I can see them doing it.

I prefered how in the Justice League cartoon they had Batman and Wonder Woman as a pairing instead. Superman and Wonder Woman need to be "humanized" with power-less humans like Lois Lane and Bruce, rather than see two superpowered beasts together.
Wait, that's actually a thing now? For some reason I just really hate that idea. I'd rather do the Batman/WW thing from B:TAS.

[Leo656]

It is but it isn't. It "is" in the current comics, because the Lois and Clark status quo was "stale", and having him be married or even really have the slightest bit of happiness at all makes Superman "unmarketable" and "unrelatable", so when DC pulled their New 52 garbage they changed it so Lois and Clark's relationship never happened, and they've been doing a really lousy Superman/Wonder Woman "romance" in their dual book. I only dip into new DC occasionally, but I really haven't liked Diana's personality at all since the relaunch, and as far as Clark goes she comes off as though she really doesn't care for him at all, she never even replies when he tells her he loves her (meanwhile, she used to tell everyone she loved them, even her enemies... the New 52 versions of these characters are some of the worst they've ever been written, just SO goddamn OOC across then board). It comes off more like, "Well, I'm a super-powered Amazon, and I gotta screw someone, so it might as well be the guy who could punch through a mountain"; she seems completely disinterested otherwise, and it makes Diana look like a complete bitch and Clark look like a total goddamn putz.

But being married to Lois apparently made him seem "too old", so this is... better? :roll:

Most sane people reject the premise and only accept it as "something DC is tinkering with for now". I don't know anyone who really "likes" it. It's been done so horribly. Whether it's "stale" or "boring" or whatever else, everyone knows Lois and Clark belong together and everything in between is just a tease.

So I highly doubt they're going to cram that Clark/Diana angle into the new movie after they had Lois and Clark hook up way earlier than usual in "Man of Steel". They felt the "cat and mouse" game between Lois and Clark was played out so they skipped it and went right to her knowing his identity them "being together"; I kind of don't fully embrace that, but it's fine and I get why they did it. It wouldn't make sense to do that just to over-complicate things again by having him fall for Diana in the next movie. I don't think they'll do that.

[ToTheNines]

Is anyone else worried they're going to push the New 52 romance between Superman and Wonder Woman in this film? I hate that pairing and I hope that's not what they go for, but with it being a "thing" in the current comics I can see them doing it.

I prefered how in the Justice League cartoon they had Batman and Wonder Woman as a pairing instead. Superman and Wonder Woman need to be "humanized" with power-less humans like Lois Lane and Bruce, rather than see two superpowered beasts together.

Take your shipping to tumblr.

[Leo656]

ZING! F***in' ZING, buddy. High-Five.

[NinjaPug]

Take your shipping to tumblr.

This is probably the best post I've seen on here.

[Leo656]

Few more Batmobile pics.

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15492

Pretty wild.

[NinjaPug]

http://i.imgur.com/nBZU3Chh.jpg

[Slade]

It's cool lookin'


I would have prefered something a little toned down though.

[sdp]

It's obvious the movies will have humor, talk about getting the pitchforks out without understanding the context. DC just doesn't want to do a "Marvel" by following the comedy/action formula they take with their movies. DC wants to differentiate by having a more serious story, of course it'll have humor in it. And that is such a great move, first of all because they're not copying Marvel, second I'm personally bored of the Marvel Comedy/Action formula, it worked great for Iron Man but every Marvel movie following that same script takes the fun out of me and finally they tried that formula with Green Lantern and failed terribly at it.

[NinjaPug]

WB officially announced the titles of their upcoming DC films:

2016: BvS, Suicide Squad
2017: Wonder Woman, Justice League
2018: Flash, Aquaman
2019: Shazam, Justice League 2

Also working on solo Superman, Batman and Cyborg movies. And a Green Lantern reboot.

http://www.slashfilm.com/dc-movie-slate-revealed/

Also officially announced Jason Momoa as Aquaman and Ezra Miller as the Flash.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

So at this point they're trying to get people excited by announcing all of their films for the next FIVE YEARS.

[sdp]

So I guess this means that the movie universe won't be in continuity with the TV shows. Kind of disappointed counting the TV shows have created the greatest version of Arrow and so far a pretty good Flash...I guess the Flash could be Wally West in the movie but I doubt it. Especially since the TV shows will be doing their own Suicide Squad. Not excited about the GL reboot either, the film is salvageable.

So at this point they're trying to get people excited by announcing all of their films for the next FIVE YEARS.
To be fair Marvel has done the same.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

To be fair Marvel has done the same.

Sure, but a lot of it is sort of implied. I mean, everyone pretty much knows there'll be an Avengers 3, a Thor 3, an Iron Man 4, a GotG 2, an Avengers 4... but there haven't been any official announcements confirming any of those, have there?

Marvel's announced Age of Ultron, Cap 3, Doc Strange... and I think that's as far as they've gotten.

DC's sort of just sucking all the fun out of it by just announcing everything up to 2019 through a Twitter announcement. Batman vs. Superman is still a couple years from coming out... wouldn't it be more appropriate to make this sort of announcement then, when hype is high and it's two years later?

[sdp]

I forgot to mention that its also disappointing that the TV shows won't be in continuity since Marvel shows are. It'll just be awful to see a more boring version of a character than the one on the TV show...

Sure, but a lot of it is sort of implied. I mean, everyone pretty much knows there'll be an Avengers 3, a Thor 3, an Iron Man 4, a GotG 2, an Avengers 4... but there haven't been any official announcements confirming any of those, have there?

Marvel's announced Age of Ultron, Cap 3, Doc Strange... and I think that's as far as they've gotten.

DC's sort of just sucking all the fun out of it by just announcing everything up to 2019 through a Twitter announcement. Batman vs. Superman is still a couple years from coming out... wouldn't it be more appropriate to make this sort of announcement then, when hype is high and it's two years later?

I agree the announcement is a little early but at least we now know what DC is doing which we had no idea before. Also Batman vs Superman is not "a couple of years" away its less than a year and a half away, again its still far away but your comment implies 3+ years which is just ridiculous. I was specifically talking about the original announcement which revealed Captain America/Thor/Iron Man 2/Avengers coming out. That was as much of a "spoiler" as this. It would've also been better to slowly speculate if they were indeed going to make an Avengers movie with each coming release instead of "oh Avengers is in 2012 so we'll be rushing the origins of the other superheroes to get it out by then"

And Marvel has announced plenty of movies of the ones you "speculated" only Iron Man 4 and Avengers 4 haven't been announced, much of "Phase 3" has been announced including Ant Man and many others after Avengers 2 so the criticism to DC goes also towards Marvel.

[TurtleTitan97]

Robin may be appearing in the movie, and just like The Dark Knight Returns, will be a girl: http://comicbook.com/2014/10/17/robin-is-female-in-batman-v-superman-details-on-batman-lex-lutho/

[ToTheNines]

As long as Dick, Barbara, Jason and (I guess) Tim have all existed in this universe in some capacity, I am so down with Carrie being Robin.

Hopefully it's true, even if Dawson casting a 29 year old isn't ideal.

[CyberCubed]

There had better not be a girl Robin in the movie.

I'd rather see a 25 year old Tim Drake.

[NinjaPug]

I know they've said they were using a lot of The Dark Knight Returns as a big influence in this movie but putting Carrie Kelley in it surprises me for some reason.

I like the casting even though Malone is a good bit older than the character in TDKR.

[TigerClaw]

Robin may be appearing in the movie, and just like The Dark Knight Returns, will be a girl: http://comicbook.com/2014/10/17/robin-is-female-in-batman-v-superman-details-on-batman-lex-lutho/
There been two Female Robins, Stephanie Brown was the other.

[TurtleTitan97]

There been two Female Robins, Stephanie Brown was the other.

I already knew that, dude.

[Slade]

I'm not sure I like all this being taken from The Dark Knight Returns. Still not sold on Batman being at it for years while remaining an urban legend.

I really hope this story is good.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is putting any Robin in the movie such a good idea? I mean, we thought we were getting a Batman vs. Superman movie... now it's Batman, Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg - it's essentially just a Justice League movie now! If they really are trying to keep it as "Batman vs. Superman", they should cut out Robin completely, given the number of characters this film already has.

This movie is going to be a mess.

[MikeandRaph87]

Why not just make it simple, iconic, and bring in the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be and I don't mean Bret Hart I mean Dick Grayson! Have him be in college and that will put a few years on Bruce that way. Going with any other Robin takes away my interest and it makes thing more complicated.

[Slade]

According to description, there's a center peice in the bat cave of a torn up Robin suit. If that's true, plus the fact that Batman has been at it for years, Grayson can't be Robin in this movie.

[NinjaPug]

Dick Grayson as Nightwing has been rumored to be in this for a while now

[CyberCubed]

So let me get this straight, this movie is rumored to have:

Superman
Batman
Nightwing
Robin
Wonder Woman
Cyborg
Aquaman

In addition to Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, and whatever other villains are in this movie?

And all these characters will be competing for screentime? WTF.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Exactly. There is no way the viewer can spend enough time with all these characters without sacrificing story (or making the film 5 hours long). It just won't work.

[Sumac]

Same here.
Avengers had an advantage as there was no neccesity to establish characters and movie could concentrate on their interactions and adventures.

How are they gonna introduce so many heavy players in one movie and have some time for an actual plot is sort of mistery to me.

I am not saying "Marvel way - is the only way to do a shared universe", but from the look of it, BvS attempts to cram a lot of stuff in one single movie and I am just not sure how it can work, especially with Snyder at the helm.

And I am not digging idea of Batman being an urban legend after being active for a decade or so. It's just...strange.

[Turo602]

Why is everyone acting like these characters are sharing equal screen time? Superman was already established in Man of Steel and Zack Snyder has already made it clear that Batman needs no introduction. Everyone else doesn't really matter except for maybe Lex Luthor. If you're looking for development on these other characters, then you're going to have to wait 'til Justice League where Batman and Superman can take the back seat. But right now, this movie is mainly about Batman and Superman. Just because big names are being dropped doesn't mean they're important to this movie when they're probably just being used as cameos to hype up Justice League.

[Redeemer]

Why is everyone acting like these characters are sharing equal screen time? Superman was already established in Man of Steel and Zack Snyder has already made it clear that Batman needs no introduction. Everyone else doesn't really matter except for maybe Lex Luthor. If you're looking for development on these other characters, then you're going to have to wait 'til Justice League where Batman and Superman can take the back seat. But right now, this movie is mainly about Batman and Superman. Just because big names are being dropped doesn't mean they're important to this movie when they're probably just being used as cameos to hype up Justice League.

Have to agree Batman and Super-man need no introduction at this point. Introduce the villains and the rest.....well no one cares about them....Jk :P

[Sumac]

Thing is if those other characters would be reduced to cameos, so what's the point of having them there in the first place?

I mean, how we gonna know, that this guy is a Aquaman or this girl is the Robin? If they randomly appear on screen out of nowhere, do some awesome stuff and dissappear, never to be mentioned again in the movie, it will be quite strange, to say the least. It will be like MK Anihhilation, which had many characters for the sake of having many characters in, with little to no build up or send-off.

[sdp]

The movie is about Superman and Batman, WW will have a smaller role in the movie. All the other heroes will only have a cameo to set them up, something only "fans" will get. Then in JL we will see them introduced properly instead of having them all crammed in int he JL movie for the first time, at least we had already seen them "visually" even if they weren't focused in the movie. Maybe not the best scenario but I think it will work and isn't necessarily worse than Marvel's rush two origin movies the year before Avengers. I mean the JL cartoon introduced the whole JL in the movie without a problem with us only "knowing Batman/Superman" as well.

[Leo656]

It's just foreshadowing. More than half of those cameo characters are going to have, like, two minutes of screen time each, most likely, but will be hugely impactful in future films, by all accounts. People need to relax. Some of the news that has leaked out has been somewhat questionable, but none of it has been outright bad. Like some, I'm not fully sold on (possibly) Carrie being Robin, as it's not a DKR adaptation and sticking too closely to it is only going to mislead and eventually disappoint a certain segment of fans. But, I'm fairly confident they're "saving" Grayson for the eventual Batman "solo" film, which I'd wager will be set in the "past" of this Batman, with a younger actor in the lead role (keeping Affleck solely for the "Justice League"-related movies). Although he may still have a cameo as an adult in BvS, for all we know.

I mean, yeah, some stuff makes you kinda go "huh", but I swear people are over-thinking this one a fair bit. Just a gut feeling I have, I'unno.

[MikeandRaph87]

Why Carrie Kelly and not Barbara Gordon as Batgirl? Batgirl is in need of a redo on the big screen and it might be the opportunity needed.

If Robin does appear a college age Robin as in Dick Grayson would work. If Bruce had been Batman for close to three years and if Dick was 12 back then perhaps six to seven years later Bruce would be 35/36 and be considered a veteran to Superman's sophomore status of in or around 26? A full decade on Superman in this reality in enough.

[TurtleTitan97]

Why Carrie Kelly and not Barbara Gordon as Batgirl? Batgirl is in need of a redo on the big screen and it might be the opportunity needed.

If Robin does appear a college age Robin as in Dick Grayson would work. If Bruce had been Batman for close to three years and if Dick was 12 back then perhaps six to seven years later Bruce would be 35/36 and be considered a veteran to Superman's sophomore status of in or around 26? A full decade on Superman in this reality in enough.

Well considering this movie is taking a lot of influence from The Dark Knight Returns, I'm not surprised they're possible going to have Carrie show up. That and, after Batman & Robin, it'll probably be awhile before we see Batgirl on the big screen again.

Personally, I'd be okay with the Carrie Kelly version of Robin appearing. I thought she was a good character.

[MikeandRaph87]

Well considering this movie is taking a lot of influence from The Dark Knight Returns, I'm not surprised they're possible going to have Carrie show up. That and, after Batman & Robin, it'll probably be awhile before we see Batgirl on the big screen again.

Personally, I'd be okay with the Carrie Kelly version of Robin appearing. I thought she was a good character.

It has been awhile. It will have been three months shy of 19 years by the time the movie comes out that a blonde Barbara Wilson posed as Batgirl. Its time again for Batgirl to get a chance she deserves and I am talking about a redhead daughter of the police commissioner Barbara Gordon!

[Leo656]

Hmm....

Something I saw today on Supermanhomepage.com
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BadAssDigest.com claims to have received plot details about "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice", specifically in regards to a major Batman character who won't be seen in the movie. The "scoop" also outlines possible locations for fights scenes in the film.

James Gordon has, at some point in the past, bitten the dust. How and at whose hands I cannot tell you - all that's noted in the script is that there's a memorial plaque to James Gordon. This explains why the role wasn't cast for the film, at least.

What does a dead Jim Gordon mean for BvS? Not much technically - most of the story takes place in Metropolis although there are two major fight scenes in Gotham (one where Superman comes looking for Batman and a climactic fight scene) - but it could have big consequences for the new DC Movieverse. While pre-Terrio drafts of the script mentioned a deceased Robin, later iterations closer to the start of shooting don't - perhaps in this continuity The Joker killed Jim Gordon instead of Robin? That would be an interesting spin, and something that could feed into future Batman movies.

The writer of the article, Devin Faraci has a track record for being on the money with his scoops, however, I'm not sure if he's speculating or giving his own personal opinion when he further states, "Batman is the lead of Justice League - he's the guy who puts the team together". Isn't Batman usually the one reluctant to join the other superheroes?

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HMMM... Now, as far as Batman being the one who assembles the League in this version, I can totally understand what they're going for this time. It's pretty obvious that, in this universe, Batman as a character has been observing, with quite a bit of unease, the rise of super-powered beings like Superman, Zod, Wonder Woman, etc., and is concerned with what will happen to Earth if they're left unchecked. Something is obviously going to happen, plot-wise, in this movie that not only brings Batman and Superman briefly into conflict with each other, but by the end of the film provides Batman with the impetus to unite other super-humans under the JLA banner. Partly for the cause of "Justice", but probably just as important, so Batman can keep an eye on them and, to some degree, control them. It makes perfect sense from the "paranoid Batman" perspective, so while in many interpretations he is portrayed as being reluctant to join the League, I can totally buy him being the one who starts it. He has his reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if they tackle Brother Eye and the OMAC Project in a future film based on this.

As for the other thing...
Mixed feelings on Gordon being dead. BUT, I will say, this gives a LOT of credence to my theory that the upcoming Batman solo films will be set in the "past", before the Affleck/JLA-related movies. Because I have a hard time seeing them doing a "proper" Batman movie with no Gordon. I definitely think they're going for two parallel Batman film narratives, with the solo movies providing a backstory that shapes him into the character we will be seeing in the JLA movies. And I can get behind that, I think it's a good idea.

[CyberCubed]

I haven't been following, was that rumor of Nightwing or Robin appearing in this movie ever confirmed?

[Leo656]

Just a rumor. Apparently there were a ton of false leads planted about many things, and the script itself has had some things added or moved around. Pretty sure Nightwing came and went as just a rumor. Although we'll probably see him eventually, I find it hard to believe we won't.

[Leo656]

So, apparently, Badass Digest says they got their hands on a copy of the pre-shooting script that was floating around a few months ago, and... Holy F*ck. If this is legit...

So anyways, from http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice-story-details/2/

MAJOR F*cking Potential Spoilers (That BETTER Damn Well be Legit)...
First and foremost, BAD assures us that the Big Blue Boyscout is front-and-center in the film, making it the Man of Steel sequel that we were always promised. This news isn’t likely to silence those who believe BVS is nothing more than a Justice League prequel or a new Batman movie, but it’s still great to hear that the film will “turn its attention to Superman heavily” and “examine the implications of Superman in the real world.”

We saw a bit of those implications in Man of Steel, but BVS will go even deeper down that rabbit hole. Superman has been rather busy in the two years since Zod’s attack on Metropolis, “becoming the hero we know and love.” Clark and Lois now live together, and Clark is still donning a pair of glasses and working for the Daily Planet (though he’d rather cover stories about the Caped Crusader than the Metropolis/Gotham football game that he’s been assigned).

Citizens of Metropolis won’t be the only ones wary of the powerful, flying alien in their midst, however, as BVS will also explore how other countries view Superman. China is especially nervous and won’t allow the Man of Steel in their air space, as they view him as a tool of the United States (another great nod to his depiction in Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns).
BVS will also take a more on-the-nose approach to talking about Man of Steel‘s more controversial moments, namely Zod’s death and the destruction that the two Kryptonians caused in Metropolis. At one point, Superman confronts a villain and tells him, “I won’t snap your neck, I’m going to take you to prison,” and when Supes faces off against Doomsday, General Swanwick (Harry Lennix) tells the military that because he’s a hero, Superman will take the battle away from populated areas.

Again, until these details are officially confirmed, we’ll have to put them in the rumor pile. However, if true, they’re reassuring developments that show us Snyder and screenwriter Chris Terrio not only understand, but are not afraid to face Man of Steel‘s controversies.

I... I didn't think they'd actually do it... I mean, there were a LOT of rumors even a few months ago, and stuff was kind of hinting at it, but... Holy Sh*t. DOOMSDAY.

...Maybe that armor Batman's packing isn't for fighting Superman after all.

I mean yeah, rumors. But this actually fits stuff that we already know thanks to some loose-lipped extras. And it just so NEEDS to be legit. So, so much.

And to think... people were wondering how they were gonna escalate things after Zod. Hooooo-BOY. :lol:

[Slade]

If that's true....HOLY SH*T is right!

[B-Man]

That could be amazing if done right. That characters inclusion is inevitable at some point anyway.

[Leo656]

We know Superman and Batman are going to be at odds at some point. We also know that they're going to end up on the same page, and there needs to be a major threat to not just bring the two of them together, but to prove there is a genuine need for a team of super-humans to protect the entire planet from disasters of near-Biblical proportions. I mean, we NEED a Bad Guy that can convince the ENTIRE WORLD after what happened in "Man of Steel" that Superman and these other "gods" are the undisputed Good Guys.

There ya go. It's almost too easy. F*ck me runnin', it's goddamn brilliant.

EDIT: I had another thought.
There were rumors at several points that either Superman or "Clark Kent" would be "killed" in this movie. I suddenly have a strong feeling that Superman will die saving Earth from Doomsday, and that his sacrifice will be the impetus that causes Batman to fully come out of semi-retirement and form the Justice League to fill the void. The film will end with Superman "dead", setting up a cliffhanger and a chance for him to make a triumphant return in the Justice League film, as the only one who can save Earth - and the League - from Brainiac.
That's suddenly how I think things are gonna go, and I gotta say, I think that sounds pretty damn great.

[B-Man]

Dude, I f*ckin HOPE it turns out that way. It'd be a cream-dream. You're gonna look like a genius if you've predicted it lol

[Leo656]

Well, to be fair, some of that stuff has existed in scripts to some degree for years, so it's not like I'm just pulling ideas out of thin air. Nothing ever gets thrown away completely, and even though the last two movies only used little bits and pieces of some of the older, awful-er scripts, they DID recycle stuff that's been floating around on paper for over a decade, so I can see them doing that again.

It's just that those earlier scripts, on the whole, were awful with a few good moments sprinkled in them. It's more like, in "Returns" and "MoS", they cribbed the parts of the other scripts that DID "get it right", and put them in movies that weren't awful. Like, the plane-catching scene from "Returns" and the "first flight" scene and even the Battle of Metropolis with Zod from MoS were all lifted from earlier scripts and shot almost exactly as written.

I'm just predicting it based on 1. assuming these rumors are true, and 2. putting it together in a way that fits what we know and what they've done before. We shall see.

What makes me a little nervous is that Superman Homepage hasn't mentioned any of it yet, but then again, they jumped in early on some of the rumors that have since been dismissed, so maybe they're waiting this one out to be safe.

[Sumac]

I wonder how Snyder will be able to get it right.
After watching Man of Steel, I had quite a lot of doubts about his abilities. Like Bay, he is too much in love with his own visual style to properly do anything else. It was the case with Watchmen and Sucker Punch. And MOS. At least Nolan is seemingly out of the picture, so no matter how actors will perform in this movie it wouldn't be similar to a bunch of wooden mannequin spouting mono- and dialogues which could make Captain Obvious green from jealousy.

Also, the whole idea of "Superman grounded in reality" movie is sort of ridiculous. If failed in MOS and since BvS will introduce even more comic book elements, it will be completely impossible to sell this idea.

[TheCanadiandrome]

can't wait to see this movie

[ZariusTwo]

Warner may have possibly split this one in two as well, with the first installment coming this October (are they looking to pit Bat up against Bond?)

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/01/10/is-batman-v-superman-being-split-into-2-movies

[CyberCubed]

That's actually a pretty good idea. I said it was getting too cramped for a 2 hour movie to have Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Lex Luthor, etc. all be introduced and meet for the first time.

Having two movies would work a lot better. And the icing on the cake is getting the first part this year.

[NinjaPug]

That rumor isn't true

[ZariusTwo]

That rumor isn't true

Yeah, I just found out....which doesn't quite relief me as we could still end up with something bloated

[Leo656]

Almost definitely fake.

An article I read made a lot of good points as to why that would actually be much, much worse. Firstly, the whole "Split One Big Story into Two Movies" approach is still kind of new and nobody knows for sure if it's "hitting" with people. A LOT of the reviews for the last Hunger Games movie, for example, were of the "Nothing happens, just wait for the next one" variety. Secondly, with Hunger Games, Twilight, Harry Potter, etc., the film series were all on the way out, and the studios had no Big Franchises set up to take over, so it only made sense for the studios to milk it and gouge audiences as much as possible on their way out the door. It was literally their last chance to make a buck on the thing.

But that's NOT at all how you want to START a franchise like the DC film universe, with a two hour Batman-centric "prequel" and then make people wait another year for the "Real" movie. There's just a million reasons why it would be a terrible idea.

People thinking this movie are "bloated" are going solely by rumored cast and character sheets. If that's your criteria, then EVERY movie is "bloated", because even movies with all of two "main characters" are usually full of dozens and dozens of characters whose names you can't even remember because they had no lines or were only there to take up space. I mean what about "Inception"? That's a great movie. Tell me a character's name besides Leonardo DiCaprio (Don't even pretend his characters have names, either :lol:). I'd argue that movie had more characters than SvB probably will, and was rather a mind-bender, but nobody complains that it's "Bloated", although the case could be made. It's just a really good movie that has a lot going on.

Just making a point. A movie can have a lot going on but that doesn't mean it's automatically smashed together. I'm almost positive most of the "bit players" like Aquaman are going to be exactly that, they'll be in the movie to establish that they exist but not taking up any major real estate.

And I doubt BvS will be two hours. Movies like this usually hover around the three-hour mark nowadays, which may or may not be too much depending on your bladder control, but I feel that it actually works pretty well for super-heroes, fantasy, and sci-fi films in general. It'll probably be around two and a half hours, maybe a little bit more. "Returns" was three hours and people said it was too long, but only because nobody punched anyone. :roll: In movies like "Lord of the Rings" people have proven they'll sit still for any damn sh*t plus a dozen false finishes, as long as there was a ton of violent sh*t before that. This movie's going to have action and fight scenes galore, so even if it's long, it won't be boring.

So... relax, I guess? I'unno, my radar as for what's gonna be good and what's gonna be bad is usually pretty solid and I've gotten nothing but good vibes from this one. I've pretty much accepted that if ever they do a Batman movie without Bale, or another Superman movie period, people will sh*t on it no matter what. It's... kind of annoying honestly.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Almost definitely fake.

An article I read made a lot of good points as to why that would actually be much, much worse. Firstly, the whole "Split One Big Story into Two Movies" approach is still kind of new and nobody knows for sure if it's "hitting" with people. A LOT of the reviews for the last Hunger Games movie, for example, were of the "Nothing happens, just wait for the next one" variety. Secondly, with Hunger Games, Twilight, Harry Potter, etc., the film series were all on the way out, and the studios had no Big Franchises set up to take over, so it only made sense for the studios to milk it and gouge audiences as much as possible on their way out the door. It was literally their last chance to make a buck on the thing.

But that's NOT at all how you want to START a franchise like the DC film universe, with a two hour Batman-centric "prequel" and then make people wait another year for the "Real" movie. There's just a million reasons why it would be a terrible idea.

People thinking this movie are "bloated" are going solely by rumored cast and character sheets. If that's your criteria, then EVERY movie is "bloated", because even movies with all of two "main characters" are usually full of dozens and dozens of characters whose names you can't even remember because they had no lines or were only there to take up space. I mean what about "Inception"? That's a great movie. Tell me a character's name besides Leonardo DiCaprio (Don't even pretend his characters have names, either :lol:). I'd argue that movie had more characters than SvB probably will, and was rather a mind-bender, but nobody complains that it's "Bloated", although the case could be made. It's just a really good movie that has a lot going on.

Just making a point. A movie can have a lot going on but that doesn't mean it's automatically smashed together. I'm almost positive most of the "bit players" like Aquaman are going to be exactly that, they'll be in the movie to establish that they exist but not taking up any major real estate.

And I doubt BvS will be two hours. Movies like this usually hover around the three-hour mark nowadays, which may or may not be too much depending on your bladder control, but I feel that it actually works pretty well for super-heroes, fantasy, and sci-fi films in general. It'll probably be around two and a half hours, maybe a little bit more. "Returns" was three hours and people said it was too long, but only because nobody punched anyone. :roll: In movies like "Lord of the Rings" people have proven they'll sit still for any damn sh*t plus a dozen false finishes, as long as there was a ton of violent sh*t before that. This movie's going to have action and fight scenes galore, so even if it's long, it won't be boring.

So... relax, I guess? I'unno, my radar as for what's gonna be good and what's gonna be bad is usually pretty solid and I've gotten nothing but good vibes from this one. I've pretty much accepted that if ever they do a Batman movie without Bale, or another Superman movie period, people will sh*t on it no matter what. It's... kind of annoying honestly.



2 and a Half Hours might be suitable for a movie like this, so long as the filmmakers don't pull an Amazing Spider-Man 2 and rush everything.

[TigerClaw]

Warner may have possibly split this one in two as well, with the first installment coming this October (are they looking to pit Bat up against Bond?)

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/01/10/is-batman-v-superman-being-split-into-2-movies
I believe its been debunked. Henry Cavill says it's not being split into 2.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=113439

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Well this film, if what Leo said in post #344 is true, then this film is shaping up to one lanmark film.

Can't wait.

[Raven]

I believe its been debunked. Henry Cavill says it's not being split into 2.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=113439

This is a sigh of relief, the more I hear and read about this movie the more excited I get. Splitting this film in half could work, but seems pointless. Leo named off the great points why it doesn't and thats pretty much how I feel.

[Leo656]

A bunch of new rumors from "A friend of a friend who says they saw the script", so take it for what it's worth. They contradict some of the earlier rumors, but also sound pretty plausible, and actually pretty cool.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/01/17/new-possible-spoilers-and-other-rumors-for-batman-vs-superman-dawn-of-justice-lexcorp-villains-etc-2596298?lt_source=external,manual,manual,manual

Some of the biggest rumors, in brief...
- Brainiac is the secondary villain; Luthor discovers how to use the Brainiac AI to control Superman, leading to the fight between Superman and Batman.

- Earlier rumors stated that Luthor was experimenting with Kryptonian DNA and would in turn create Doomsday. This batch of rumors state that instead, Superboy and Bizarro are the end result of experiments merging Superman's DNA with Lex's and Zod's, respectively.

- Luthor's battlesuit based on Kryptonian battle armor may be in the movie, but whether or not he actually uses is it unclear.

- Batman retired because the Joker killed Jason Todd seven years earlier, and although he isn't seen, it's hinted that Grayson as Nightwing is active in this universe.

- Barbara Gordon as Oracle works as a computer tech for the GCPD and is an assistant to Batman. Contrary to earlier rumors, this batch states that Jim Gordon is not dead, simply not present in the film.

- Luthor's master plan involves having the President of the US assassinated for his pro-Superman stance. This possibly hints at Luthor plotting his own run at the White House.

All of these are highly plausible, but again, so are all the other rumors. The biggest thing that strikes me, is how they contradict the Doomsday rumors from earlier. What I *think*, is that a little of all of it may be true, and some of the "leaks" may actually have been things that are instead planned for the Justice League movie. So I think both Brainiac and Doomsday are extremely likely to appear, but not in the same movie. I think one of them is going to be the villain in BvS, and the other one will be the villain in Justice League.


Interesting stuff. If even any of this stuff is true at all, I once again have to give them a ton of credit for sticking so closely to the source material.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I love all of those ideas... and am holding out hope that an eventual Batman movie will adapt "Under the Hood" with some epic Jason Todd murdering vigilante action!

[Leo656]

Eh. I actually hope the solo Batman films focus on younger, pre-retirement Batman. Ultimately, Jason coming back to life in the comics served zero purpose other than the initial shock of it. Nothing really came of it, so the movies can leave him dead for all I care. Jason's one of those "worth more dead than alive" characters. Like Uncle Ben. Sure, it's all fake, you could bring 'em back, but it kind of breaks the story.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Given the existence of Lazarus Pits (and not the Superboy-punching-reality bullcrap), I think it's perfectly acceptable to have brought back Jason Todd. As long as it is not back for the sake of being back (i.e. death has no meaning in comics) and instead goes even further to show the tragedy of Batman's decision...

But then again, except for TMNT, I don't read comics at all. Great source material for television and movies, but comics always revert to the status quo and never see any permanent character development.

<Braces for hater impact>

[TigerClaw]

According to Comic Book Movie, We might be getting a Superbowl Spot tonight.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=114687

http://i.imgur.com/EnyCyt8.jpg

[Leo656]

That would be nice. Here's hoping. I'm impatient as f*ck for this movie.

And you cats know me, I generally don't get excited over anything.

[NinjaPug]

Doubt WB would pay $4.5 million to promote a movie that doesn't come out for 15 months.

[Leo656]

Never know, it'd be a good way to get some buzz going. "Never too soon" and all that. Probably is a little farfetched but I'd enjoy it.

[NinjaPug]

Oh, I'd love it. Just don't think it'll happen tonight. WB doesn't typically buy ad space for the SB either.

Either way, rumor has it we're getting a trailer soon.

[Leo656]

True story. And when they did with Green Lantern, it bit 'em in the ass.

I'm just scraping for anything and everything about this flick. I'm glad they're taking their sweet time with it but selfishly, I want it yesterday. I'd settle for a 30-second teaser. ANYTHING.

Like, everything gives me bad vibes. This gives me good vibes. That is so rare, that I'm super impatient for more.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2vd4q3n.jpg

[syckles]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.



He really looks the part.

[Raph's Girl]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2vd4q3n.jpg

Helloooooo Aquaman!! :D :o

He should notify Stargate Command where Atlantis is now tho. Just in case. ;)

[CyberCubed]

So Aquaman is in this movie too now? I wish they would hold off the Justice League stuff for the sequels and focus on the Batman/Superman and Wonder Woman relationships first.

[Candy Kappa]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2vd4q3n.jpg

The King of Atlantis is truly, outrageous!


I just hope he isn't grim broody dark-dark, but that looks like what Warner Bros/DCU is going for with their new movies and Snyder's vision. Personally not a good fit for movies based on the DCU, I'd prefer something more brighter and action comedy orientated. If Aquaman have a similar personality like he did in the Brave and the Bold cartoon, I'd be very happy.

Buuuut, he'll probably have the personality like Namor...

[NinjaPug]

I hate the tagline but really like the look of the character. That picture looks filtered and I bet he'll look a lot "greener" in the movie.

My only question....where is his seahorse?

[Slade]

Pic looks great so I can't really complain, but I really wanna see him blonde.

[TigerClaw]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2vd4q3n.jpg
He definitely makes a pretty good Aquaman.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't like it... where's all the color?

Honestly I liked that orange suit Aquaman wore.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would have liked to see him look a little closer to the comics, personally.

Either the orange scales or blonde hair. But hey, I don't judge until I see stuff in action so we'll see.

[Commenter 42]

Pic looks great so I can't really complain, but I really wanna see him blonde.

I don't like it... where's all the color?

Honestly I liked that orange suit Aquaman wore.

I would have liked to see him look a little closer to the comics, personally.
Either the orange scales or blonde hair. But hey, I don't judge until I see stuff in action so we'll see.

I'm in full agreement with everything above. He's just Kal Drogo with a big pitch fork now.

I hate how Snyder sucks the color out of his films. It's boring. The DCU isn't 300, it's the GD DCU!!!

Also, just wondering, how exactly one gets tattoo's at the the bottom of the ocean?

He definitely makes a pretty good Aquaman.

You love anything and everything. Starting to think you're not even human, just some well written A.I. software paid to promote upcoming retreads.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I hate how Snyder sucks the color out of his films. It's boring. The DCU isn't 300, it's the GD DCU!!!

DC knows that kids like realistic movies these days. But they're confusing the words "realistic" and "dark"... literally! All the posters for this movie have almost no color!

http://i1.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ21BB0C731.jpg

[The Stryker]

Also, just wondering, how exactly one gets tattoo's at the the bottom of the ocean?

Ink and needles?

[ObiWanFan4life]

Well, he certainly looks the part of Aquaman, but would it kill WB/DC to add just a little colour?

[BabyTurtles]

Ladies and Gentlemen say hello to the King Of Atlantis from Zack Snyder's Twitter.

http://i58.tinypic.com/2vd4q3n.jpg

He looks really cool!

but I'm worried that everything in the movie is gonna be boringly desaturated.

[TigerClaw]

You love anything and everything. Starting to think you're not even human, just some well written A.I. software paid to promote upcoming retreads.
Its entertainment, Whats not to love.

[Bloodsucker]

I don't care that he has no costume. I only care that I like his face and the things I imagine about his face, and things I would do to it.

[Krutch]

Not liking it. Looks like a jacked underwater Rob Zombie more than anything.

So far the only thing in this whole DC Cinematic universe I'm looking forward to is Affleck as Batman. And speaking as a DC guy that kills me.

[Commenter 42]

Not liking it. Looks like a jacked underwater Rob Zombie more than anything.

So far the only thing in this whole DC Cinematic universe I'm looking forward to is Affleck as Batman. And speaking as a DC guy that kills me.

I used to be a DC guy...until DC started making movies....

Somebody over there needs a few
http://www.retail-square.com/sites/default/files/styles/detailpage-slide/public/HappyPills2%20(1).jpg

[STORMSHADOW__210]

I loved the avengers and winter solider but as a DC guy , I'll take nolans batmans 9 out of 10 times over marvel . I'm sure the film will have color. Remember the beginning of Man Of Steel? Had lot of cgi eye candy . Think there just going for more of a gritty vibe with the posters

[Commenter 42]

I loved the avengers and winter solider but as a DC guy , I'll take nolans batmans 9 out of 10 times over marvel . I'm sure the film will have color. Remember the beginning of Man Of Steel? Had lot of cgi eye candy . Think there just going for more of a gritty vibe with the posters

Oh yeah, I remember Man Of ****. CG was not it's strong suit, and miles away from eye candy, unless flying dildos are your thing.

http://i.imgur.com/aheJ4oP.gif

The whole thing was amateur hour.

[NinjaPug]

http://i.imgur.com/N8BPuki.jpg

[TigerClaw]

http://i.imgur.com/N8BPuki.jpg
a Marvel artist did a colored version of that photo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA9EV0eU0AAuUuP.jpg

[Redeemer]

Oh yeah, I remember Man Of ****. CG was not it's strong suit, and miles away from eye candy, unless flying dildos are your thing.

http://i.imgur.com/aheJ4oP.gif

The whole thing was amateur hour.

All bc you don't like the design it doesn't mean its bad cgi

[Candy Kappa]

Well, he certainly looks the part of Aquaman, but would it kill WB/DC to add just a little colour?

It's just the style of the posters, the movie will most likely be less photo filter extreme.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Batman vs Superman trailer will now run alongside Mad Max: Fury Road.

http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-trailer-mad-max/

[NinjaPug]

Trailer release moved up to this Monday (4/20) in certain IMAX theaters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCrjGTcVEAAPAZn.png

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/16/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-trailer-premieres-monday-in-imax-theaters

[TurtleTitan97]

Trailer release moved up to this Monday (4/20) in certain IMAX theaters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCrjGTcVEAAPAZn.png

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/04/16/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-trailer-premieres-monday-in-imax-theaters

STOKED!!!

Can't wait for this! :D

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Honestly, the main reason I'm excited for this movie is to finally see Wonder Woman. Hope she features in the trailer!

[TigerClaw]

Here's a 21 second Teaser for the Trailer.
https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/588528448827621376

[Leo656]

That's hot. I like the "Terminator" music :lol:

[TurtleTitan97]

The last 30 seconds of the trailer have been leaked! https://twitter.com/MuDragon/status/588781085946937344/video/1

In case anyone can't hear, the dialogue in the trailer is:

"Tell me, do you bleed?"

"You will."

[TigerClaw]

The last 30 seconds of the trailer have been leaked! https://twitter.com/MuDragon/status/588781085946937344/video/1

In case anyone can't hear, the dialogue in the trailer is:

"Tell me, do you bleed?"

"You will."
Interesting, I hope they show a lot even if its a teaser trailer.

[Autbot_Benz]

Trailer got leaked

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[TigerClaw]

Trailer got leaked

bS63eFKSqkY

Taken down.

[Autbot_Benz]

Taken down.

ya sorry WB are party poopers

[TigerClaw]

I found another youtube and managed to download the mp4 before it was taken down, I upload to some site, you can watch below, This is a bootleg from a cellphone.
http://sendvid.com/2f5tvi93

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t. Unreal. Can't wait.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I found another youtube and managed to download the mp4 before it was taken down, I upload to some site, you can watch below, This is a bootleg from a cellphone.
http://sendvid.com/2f5tvi93

Thanks a million!

And as someone who hasn't been as excited for this film as some of you other guys... wow, that looks intense. Stoked!

But no Wonder Woman yet... :tcry:

[Leo656]

I've re-watched it a bunch of times. I can't wait to see it in full without those subtitles, etc. Looks killer.

[Autbot_Benz]

I've re-watched it a bunch of times. I can't wait to see it in full without those subtitles, etc. Looks killer.

Its in theaters monday and online tuesday. But knowing the internet it will be up monday too.

[The Stryker]

I appreciate what they're doing and not just copying the Marvel model of jokey wisecrack trailers but I was kinda left flat here.

Maybe I was expecting something alittle different but this looks really really heavy. Laying on the religious symbolism thick and such and such. I wanna like this movie and I'm obviously going to see it regardless.

Batman looks great though.

[Leo656]

Benz: Iiiii know, I'm just happy I finally got to see anything at all. Long, painful wait for this thing. Highly encouraging. Now that I know for sure what they're going for I support them 100% and have absolutely no reservations about how awesome it's going to be.

So much of this is straight from the comics and it drives me nuts in a good way. Even the whole subplot of there being people who see Superman as an idol of worship and others who see him as a bringer of doom is straight from the books. I think it's supremely interesting that he has to win people over, and not everyone immediately hero-worships the guy who can fly and shoot fire from his eyes. It will make it so much more satisfying in the solo series, once he's eventually the fully-formed "Earth's Greatest Hero" version of the character, that he will have earned and grown into the role. I really like the approach they're taking.

[Autbot_Benz]

Benz: Iiiii know, I'm just happy I finally got to see anything at all. Long, painful wait for this thing. Highly encouraging. Now that I know for sure what they're going for I support them 100% and have absolutely no reservations about how awesome it's going to be.

So much of this is straight from the comics and it drives me nuts in a good way. Even the whole subplot of there being people who see Superman as an idol of worship and others who see him as a bringer of doom is straight from the books. I think it's supremely interesting that he has to win people over, and not everyone immediately hero-worships the guy who can fly and shoot fire from his eyes. It will make it so much more satisfying in the solo series, once he's eventually the fully-formed "Earth's Greatest Hero" version of the character, that he will have earned and grown into the role. I really like the approach they're taking.

I love Ben Affleck's batman voice so much better than Bale's Smoker's voice.

[Slade]

Oh, my God, all I saw was like 30 seconds and you guys are talking about hearing the voices and sh*t...8 a.m. needs to hurry the f*ck up

[sdp]

It's hard to compete with the Star Wars trailer but this was pretty damn impressive, pretty hyped for this as well.

[Turo602]

Benz: Iiiii know, I'm just happy I finally got to see anything at all. Long, painful wait for this thing. Highly encouraging. Now that I know for sure what they're going for I support them 100% and have absolutely no reservations about how awesome it's going to be.

So much of this is straight from the comics and it drives me nuts in a good way. Even the whole subplot of there being people who see Superman as an idol of worship and others who see him as a bringer of doom is straight from the books. I think it's supremely interesting that he has to win people over, and not everyone immediately hero-worships the guy who can fly and shoot fire from his eyes. It will make it so much more satisfying in the solo series, once he's eventually the fully-formed "Earth's Greatest Hero" version of the character, that he will have earned and grown into the role. I really like the approach they're taking.

Yeah, I love this take as well. It's kind of funny too because it mirrors real life with everyone bitching over the destruction in Man of Steel. It's just really cool to see someone like Superman in a much more real world where everyone has an opinion and isn't just going to blindly love the hero like in past iterations. I'm so pumped for this movie!

[ZariusTwo]

I'm all for a heavy superhero movie again. I can tell the tinfoil brigade will be all over the shop picking on the "devils come from the sky" line. That ought to be fun.

[TurtleTitan97]

Pretty awesome trailer. Can't wait for the HD version.

[Krutch]

All I got out of this is, as I suspected, Ben's gonna be badass as Batman.

Beyond that... nah. I'll probably watch it once.

[ZariusTwo]

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[sdp]

The trailer is definitely awesome just re-watched it but what a bad idea to release it right after Star Wars.`It didn't kill the hype for that movie and all it did is made me forget about this trailer which is awesome in its ownr ight.

[TurtleTitan97]

That has got to be the best Batsuit I've ever seen.

[Turo602]

The trailer is definitely awesome just re-watched it but what a bad idea to release it right after Star Wars.`It didn't kill the hype for that movie and all it did is made me forget about this trailer which is awesome in its ownr ight.

I don't see why either trailer has to detract from the other. Two back to back trailers for highly anticipated films is really awesome and just further excites me as a fan of both things.

[CyberCubed]

His Batman voice didn't sound much better than Christian Bale's.

[Turo602]

Speaking of his Batman voice, was that supposed to be him speaking before the "do you bleed" line? When he was talking about good men turning cruel.

[Krutch]

I thought that was Alfred^

[TurtleTitan97]

Speaking of his Batman voice, was that supposed to be him speaking before the "do you bleed" line? When he was talking about good men turning cruel.

I've heard online it might be Alfred.

[Turo602]

I thought that was Alfred^

Ah, could be. Sounds really gruff for Alfred but it is Jeremy Irons after all.

[The Stryker]

One thing I hope they don't do is have Batman 'win'. It was kinda cool once but it's been done about a trillion times since and it's become fanboy masturbation almost.

That and come on. All Supes has to do is gently flick Batman's forehead to shatter his spine.

[Slade]

One thing I hope they don't do is have Batman 'win'. It was kinda cool once but it's been done about a trillion times since and it's become fanboy masturbation almost.

That and come on. All Supes has to do is gently flick Batman's forehead to shatter his spine.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

This, sooo much this it's not even funny. I have a feeling Batman will pull out the 'win' though, cus well..bull sh*t.

The trailer was decent, but for me, it was a little too much "Hey everybody, check out Batman, he's gonna be a badass in this."

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

That has got to be the best Batsuit I've ever seen.

I was rewatching that part he's walking out of the rubble and I couldn't agree more...but this is something I think Snyder nailed in Watchmen. All those suits were great...This batsuit is nearly perfect.

His Batman voice didn't sound much better than Christian Bale's.

I don't know if you disagree with the sound of his voice, or the fact he's masking his voice. I just don't get the people who say he shouldn't mask his voice...that's just silly.

Also, at least in this one it sounds like he's using a voice masking device. I've also heard the theory it's actually not Batman's voice...This isn't a spoiler, it's just my gut feeling, but I think there is a secret villain, possibly completely CGI so we don't know if there has been an actor even cast. But I sure do hope it's Doomsday... The one clip looks like Batman is using a sledgehammer to break something open, I'm hoping it's Superman's grave.

Speaking of his Batman voice, was that supposed to be him speaking before the "do you bleed" line? When he was talking about good men turning cruel.

It's definitely Alfred, and I think he's talking about Bruce becoming cruel, because he says "powerlessness" which wouldn't apply to Superman.

One thing I hope they don't do is have Batman 'win'. It was kinda cool once but it's been done about a trillion times since and it's become fanboy masturbation almost.

That and come on. All Supes has to do is gently flick Batman's forehead to shatter his spine.

Batman doesn't have to win or lose, he just needs Superman to know that there is SOMEONE who can stop him.

And There is a reason Batman builds that suit, I won't spoil it for anyone who doesn't know, but if Batman beats Superman there will be logic to it.

[Slade]

You did not just say there is logic to Batman beating Superman. Cus there isn't. Ever. And yes, I've read The Dark Knight Returns, etc..

[Andrew NDB]

Nobody wins. They'll fight, it'll be a draw, then Aquaman and Wonder Woman will show up and they'll all team up to fight the common bad -- apparently a Lex Luthor-made Doomsday out of Zod's body (if the rumors are true). Or something somesuch.

But c'mon. You should know what to expect at this point.

[Turo602]

Nobody wins. They'll fight, it'll be a draw, then Aquaman and Wonder Woman will show up and they'll all team up to fight the common bad -- apparently a Lex Luthor-made Doomsday out of Zod's body (if the rumors are true). Or something somesuch.

But c'mon. You should know what to expect at this point.

I agree. I don't think there's going to be a winner or loser, just a fight. Even then, Snyder has said in the past that Superman can beat Batman. So maybe Superman will be looking better in this fight even if there isn't a direct winner or loser.

[Candy Kappa]

Nah, there'll be some minor victory going to Bats. He's so Mary Sue now, that it's bound to happen.


cause he's only a man :roll:

[Slade]

Nah, there'll be some minor victory going to Bats. He's so Mary Sue now, that it's bound to happen.


cause he's only a man :roll:

As much as I hate it, I agree with you.

It's not that I hate Batman, far from it. Just...yeah...

[Cure]

I agree with youse. Superman should get the win, but it prolly won't happen.

[CyberCubed]

The problem with this Superman is he's practically a God. By the time he moves Batman shouldn't be able to even turn around.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

And Superman isn't a killer, he's not going to murder Batman, he's going to hold back so he doesn't seriously injure him and that's when Batman will use whatever it is he will use to get on equal ground w/ Superman.

And yes there is logic to Batman beating Superman, when Kal-El is in or around Kryptonian atmosphere he becomes just a normal person. We don't know what will happen, but I mean if you read the comic you know what Bruce does. In order for it to be a fair fight Bruce has to use kryptonite.

[The Stryker]

And Superman isn't a killer, he's not going to murder Batman, he's going to hold back so he doesn't seriously injure him and that's when Batman will use whatever it is he will use to get on equal ground w/ Superman.

And yes there is logic to Batman beating Superman, when Kal-El is in or around Kryptonian atmosphere he becomes just a normal person. We don't know what will happen, but I mean if you read the comic you know what Bruce does. In order for it to be a fair fight Bruce has to use kryptonite.

Okay? Don't really care about that.

All I'm saying is that the whole 'Batman is so badass and can beat everyone in the world' thing is overdone and I hope it's not done here.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

No one's gonna win.

DC doesn't want to upset the Batman fans by having Superman win, and they aren't going to be able to make a normal guy beating Superman convincing enough for their "realistic" movie. It's just going to be a bunch of punches until Wonder Woman or somebody tells them to stop being morons. (Why wasn't she in the teaser?)

Just like Thor vs. Iron Man in The Avengers.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Nobody wins. They'll fight, it'll be a draw, then Aquaman and Wonder Woman will show up and they'll all team up to fight the common bad -- apparently a Lex Luthor-made Doomsday out of Zod's body (if the rumors are true). Or something somesuch.

But c'mon. You should know what to expect at this point.

I hope it's not a Luthor built Doomsday, because Doomsday was just another Alien who shows up to destroy worlds. If it's a Luthor constructed villain it would probably be Metallo who is a cyborg with Kryptonite in his body. This would also make the "Tell me....Do you bleed? You will" robot voice make sense.

Okay? Don't really care about that.

All I'm saying is that the whole 'Batman is so badass and can beat everyone in the world' thing is overdone and I hope it's not done here.

Yeah, he's supposed to be the worlds greatest detective, not a super badass...the reason why everyone always says Batman would beat Superman is because he has the finances and the detective skills to find Superman's weakness. That's why Batman usually wins. I personally never saw him as the ultimate badass, so sounds like it's maybe your perception of him.

[ZariusTwo]

I was bored (https://vimeo.com/125331220)

[TurtleTitan97]

I was bored (https://vimeo.com/125331220)

Nice vid, Zarius.

[ZariusTwo]

Nice vid, Zarius.

Thanks very much :)

[Leo656]

I'm throwing my money in for some kind of draw. But I'm already sold to the point where, as long as the story is good, I can accept whatever that story is. Like, I absolutely hated how he killed Zod at the end of MoS, but now seeing where they're taking the story, I'm fine with it, and in fact it may prove necessary in the grand scheme of things.

I had a couple reservations before seeing anything concrete, but now I'm pretty sure that whatever they're doing, they'll be able to put it over. I'm pretty happy so far.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I was bored (https://vimeo.com/125331220)

Very funny.

I have faith in the writers and Snyder. I love MoS, I was fine with him killing Zod because I felt it was necessary. I understood the destruction because it was Superman's first major battle, he's a rookie, he's going to make mistakes.

Snyder had to do a bunch of interviews after MoS came out, basically defending his movie and the path Supes takes, and he pretty much laid it out there that, the 2nd movie will show the consequences of MoS. That MoS was really the launching pad for the DC Universe to really take off. They needed all of that mayhem and destruction so that more DC Characters will come out in the open. And Batman never trusts Superman, he and Superman have to battle it out, the winner won't matter as long as Batman and Superman get on the same page for Justice League. There will always be evil forces out there that are a bigger threat than Superman is to earth, but Batman will always be waiting in case Superman turns evil.

[ZariusTwo]

Somebody on another forum suggested the trailer should have ended with the "false god" reveal. Anyone agree?

[Leo656]

Nah, I think it was better this way. Showing just how mistrustful some people are of Superman early in the trailer gives a quick explanation as to why he would be at odds with Batman later on. For the sake of using the trailer to quickly put over the basic gist of the story, what they did was perfect.

I actually can't imagine it looking anything but sh*tty if they did it the other way. "OMG! A shock image taken out of context! I so want to see this!" Eh. That seems weak. I think they put everything right where it belonged, honestly.

Supposedly there will still be a little bit more to see when the trailer is "officially" officially released in a few days. This is gonna be a long year.

[NinjaPug]

Why does Batman have a sniper rifle?

[Leo656]

In TDKR comic he used something similar that fired a a grappling hook, could be something like that.

[Krutch]

There's nothing i've read rumour or factual that makes me want to see this movie. The only thing it has going for it is its the first live action Batman and Superman pairing. The story, tone, and cinematography from everything I've seen just looks devoid of all fun. I'm all for mature stories, but this just looks like a headache to sit through.

[Leo656]

I don't see what's not "fun" about it. The story seems intriguing and thought-out and quite different from most super-hero movies. A ton of stuff straight from the comics for a change has me pretty excited. I think it's a good counter-balance to the typical Marvel popcorn fare. Those movies are good, too, but there's plenty of room for something different and more "grounded". I dig what they're doing, I'unno.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I like having an alternative to the "fun" marvel movies. As an adult, I feel like there are less and less movies aimed toward us, and even though this will be PG-13, it's going to be very adult. Like Leo said, what Marvel is doing isn't bad, it's just nice to have an adult oriented alternative.

Deadpool is going to be great, but as of right now the best thing Marvel has done is Daredevil on Netflix, an adult/realistic approach to a superhero.

[Leo656]

I was very outspoken when MoS came out that I didn't love the tone and wished it was more "upbeat" and more "classic Superman", and I still think that could have worked, BUT, knowing what I know now and seeing where it's going, I can't really argue with the path they've decided to take. Some people come up to me and they're like, "I thought it was too sci-fi; I didn't like that they made it an alien invasion movie". I'm like... it's Superman, it's a sci-fi alien invasion story. Films generally haven't ever used this angle, or played up the public's mistrust of aliens, etc. (although "Lois & Clark" did, oddly enough), but it makes sense for them to do so. Point of fact, it's entirely true to life. The way society is reacting to Superman in these films is the way people would react in real life if someone like that suddenly showed up. It's always kind of puzzled me how traditionally, the entire world embraces Superman as soon as they see he can fly. That's not at all how people are. :lol: There would be all this suspicion and mistrust at first, until he consistently proved himself, and that's really interesting to me. I really like the idea that in this universe pretty much all the heroes have to earn their place in the hearts and minds of society. You know they will; I find the amount of storytelling potential in the journey really, really fun and different.

Not to mention, in the original comics Superman was considered an outlaw and a vigilante for a good long while, and the police and government officials were constantly after him, considering him a dangerous menace. It wasn't until WWII and the character became a propaganda machine for U.S. idealism that he really became the "boy scout" version of the character, draped in the American flag, waving to police officers and all that. This movie is simply continuing from MoS in adapting and updating material from the actual comic books, something they've never done in any Superman movies before, and that is also really great to me.

I really like the other Superman movies, but even when I was a little kid, I'm like, "Why don't they just do the books?" And now they are, at least in all the important parts, and I really like that. I'm also super-intrigued to see how Flash, Green Lantern, etc. eventually fit into this universe, both visually and personality-wise. And Shazam/Captain Marvel eventually, as well. I'unno, I'm really loving this so far.

[ZariusTwo]

(although "Lois & Clark" did, oddly enough).

Lord Nor>General Zod.

[Leo656]

I more specifically meant Jason Trask and Bureau 39, though, but yeah. Those were some of my favorite episodes of Season 1 and probably the entire series. "The Green, Green Glow of Home" might be the best episode in the entire show, and he doesn't even have powers for most of it.

But yeah, that whole angle with people not trusting Superman, and there being an entire government agency based on studying and eventually stopping him. It pops up in the books a ton, too. But never the movies, for some reason. He always kinda gets embraced too quickly in the movies. Even in III, after he gets all drunk and loony, everybody just shrugs and says "Ah well" after all the horrible stuff he did under the influence of synthetic Kryptonite. Nobody stops and says, "Huh... maybe this guy's sort of a little out of control, someone should keep an eye on him." Or in IV, he just up and decides to wipe out everyone's nukes, and everyone just lets him do it because he's Superman. That'd neeeever happen. :lol:

EDIT: Curious what people think about the soldiers with the S shield emblems. Are they part of a group set up by the government to work with Superman, as part of his attempts to earn their trust? A task force ultimately designed to eventually take him out? He doesn't seem all that comfortable with them. I'm curious what some people are guessing it could be.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

He definitely does not look pleased to have them there...or at the very least kneeling before him... I would think it's the government having a Superman Task force, maybe to make arrests on his behalf or something like that. I think there will be a split in the government in regards to trusting him or not. There is that shot of him in front of a crowd of people reaching out to him, it looks like an event of some sort, and again he does not look pleased. He was very humble in MoS, so I can see him continuing that until Batman challenges him, and I bet we see some anger, and maybe resentment pour out of him.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://i58.tinypic.com/k1t5yw.jpg



Official Posters tweeted from Snyder

http://i.imgur.com/eNYNH4D.jpg?1

[Cure]

The tear in the shape of the bat I can kinda buy, but not the other one.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Is Batman standing in Metropolis or Gotham in one of the night shots?

[The Stryker]

Thinking about it. The more happy I am about the way they're handling the continuation of the story.

Just from the trailer I get the feeling like the events of MoS had a huge impact on the world. You kinda don't see that in other superhero movies. The public reaction to stuff that would change everything for good.

Not to really bash Marvel as I love Avengers but what really happened so far that tells us the events of Avengers changed stuff? The most you get are people saying "Oh. New York." Or "The incident". You'd think there would be some more paranoia or fear at the whole reveal of Aliens and the god of thunder in the same day.

Iron Man is the only guy that's like "Yo that was f*cked!"

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Thinking about it. The more happy I am about the way they're handling the continuation of the story.

Just from the trailer I get the feeling like the events of MoS had a huge impact on the world. You kinda don't see that in other superhero movies. The public reaction to stuff that would change everything for good.

Not to really bash Marvel as I love Avengers but what really happened so far that tells us the events of Avengers changed stuff? The most you get are people saying "Oh. New York." Or "The incident". You'd think there would be some more paranoia or fear at the whole reveal of Aliens and the god of thunder in the same day.

Iron Man is the only guy that's like "Yo that was f*cked!"

I feel the same way about Marvel's universe...there was a MAJOR invasion in the Avengers, and they kind of gloss over it in all the following movies...We never see how the people reacted. The little pieces we have seen it's been citizens fawning all over the Avengers.

That's one reason I liked Daredevil so much, the public is unsure about him and some think he's evil. You only get those angles in DC's movies.

[Leo656]

Thinking about it. The more happy I am about the way they're handling the continuation of the story.

Just from the trailer I get the feeling like the events of MoS had a huge impact on the world. You kinda don't see that in other superhero movies. The public reaction to stuff that would change everything for good.

Not to really bash Marvel as I love Avengers but what really happened so far that tells us the events of Avengers changed stuff? The most you get are people saying "Oh. New York." Or "The incident". You'd think there would be some more paranoia or fear at the whole reveal of Aliens and the god of thunder in the same day.

Iron Man is the only guy that's like "Yo that was f*cked!"

100% agreed.
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EDIT: So Kaman Stowell, who writes for supermanhomepage.com was at the IMAX event. As expected, there was apparently a little bit more footage at the end...

From his report:
...It had all the familiar shots, until the "S" came up with the Bat symbol behind it, then it all changed.

Suddenly I'm watching Superman, out of breath and with a distinct curl in his hair that we are all familiar with, and he starts running and flies over the edge of the inside of an abandoned building. We see Batman in a running stance and he charges at Superman, then for a split second we are looking at Batman and Superman on screen together in IMAX for the first time. Just as the punch is about to be thrown it cuts to black, end of teaser.

Zack Snyder then comes back and says that a lot of the film was actually shot in IMAX and that the final epic scene of them clashing, that had everyone in my theater screaming at the top of their lungs, would only be seen in IMAX until the movie is released in March.


Here's a photo of the "Trinity's" costumes on display at WB studios.
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150420-costumes.jpg

[Slade]

Glad I just read that. I was thinking about the S curl today and why he didn't have it or atleast not slicked hair. Sounds awesome!

[CyberCubed]

I honestly wish this was a full reboot and didn't use the same Superman from Man of Steel. I didn't like that movie very much.

But also given this is a new Batman and Wonder woman, feels really odd to see an old Superman and not a new one either.

[TigerClaw]

Someone made a GIF of the extra scene from the IMAX preview, It shows Batman and Superman charging at each other.

https://i.imgflip.com/kg667.gif

[Leo656]

Glad I just read that. I was thinking about the S curl today and why he didn't have it or atleast not slicked hair. Sounds awesome!

To be fair, it's not always there, but I like when it is.

What would be super-silly of them to do, but would almost make sense at this point, would be if his look continues to "evolve" a little bit each movie, until by the next solo film he looks almost exactly like the "definitive" version. I mean, the weird-looking S shield and the slicked-back hair are both representative of the earliest comics, more than of the look we commonly see and think of. Zack has a history of being very literal with his interpretations of certain things in comics, so if they're actually going to have an in-story "reason" for why he starts styling his hair different, I could see the suit also continuing to change over time the way it did in the comics.

Buuuuut, my money's on, "His hair just happens to fall that way in the scene and people are over-thinking it." :lol:

Neat gif. Nice little bonus for the people who went to go see it. I had a feeling they'd do something like that.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I honestly wish this was a full reboot and didn't use the same Superman from Man of Steel. I didn't like that movie very much.

But also given this is a new Batman and Wonder woman, feels really odd to see an old Superman and not a new one either.

That would make zero sense seeing as Batman v Superman is happening because of the events that happened in Man of Steel.

I hope the reason Superman is running at normal speed at Batman is because of Kryptonite or something like that. He moved MUCH faster in MoS.

[TigerClaw]

According to Henry Cavill, Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice, Is not a Superman sequel.

"I've only seen a little bit of ADR stuff, but that's it, and that wasn't even in color. I'm hoping to see it [the whole movie] some time this year, for a friends and family screening or something. But I really know nothing about what the finished product looks like. I wouldn't call this a Superman sequel. This is Batman versus Superman, so it's a separate entity altogether. It's introducing the Batman character, and expanding upon this universe, which was kicked off by 'Man of Steel'. It's an introduction to the [Batman] character, and ultimately an introduction to 'Justice League.'"

pITzZV8-iFI

[CyberCubed]

So then what happened to Man of Steel 2? I thought this WAS the sequel, now they're saying it isn't?

[Leo656]

They've said a hundred times it's not the sequel. The solo MoS sequel is like 2018 or something, after they do Justice League. It's been stated repeatedly that both Superman and Batman solo movies are coming out after Justice League.

[Leo656]

From supermanhomepage.com:

For quite some time now rumors of Doomsday being part of "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" have circulated around the internet... and according to movie scooper Umberto Gonzalez (aka El-Mayimbe), Doomsday is indeed part of the movie.

"It's been out there, but it's official. We are going to see Doomsday," he told the Shanlian on Batman podcast.

Gonzalez likens Doomsday's part in the film to that of Darth Vader in the original Star Wars – in that he is the brawn that "main villain" Lex Luthor goes to when he needs a physical threat (similar to how Vader was Grand Moff Tarkin's muscle in Star Wars). That dynamic certainly makes sense. While Luthor represents a great danger with his massive intellect, he wouldn't pose much of a challenge to Superman and Batman (and Wonder Woman?) in a fight – unless he was wearing some sort of armor. On the other hand, Doomsday is one of the few DC Comics villains who has the potential to be lethal toward Kal-El, so Luthor unleashing Doomsday on the heroes is a logical way for the story to conclude.

As for the line in the teaser trailer in which Batman appears to ask Superman if he bleeds, Gonzalez stated that the line is actually part of a dream sequence... but would say no more.

Whether you believe any of the above rumors or not is up to you. Warner Bros. have not confirmed nor denied the Doomsday rumors. We'll just have to wait and see...

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16425

[Leo656]

Promotional artwork for the movie from supermanhomepage.com.
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16432

These are huge:
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Superman_002.png

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-WW2.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Batman_002.png

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Batman_001.png

Those are some of my favorites. That last one of Batman is amaaaaaaazing. Best live-action Batman I've ever seen or likely ever will see. Unreal.

[Luigiperps]

Promotional artwork for the movie from supermanhomepage.com.
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16432

These are huge:
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Superman_002.png

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-WW2.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Batman_002.png

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150518-BVSDoJ_Batman_001.png

Those are some of my favorites. That last one of Batman is amaaaaaaazing. Best live-action Batman I've ever seen or likely ever will see. Unreal.

If it had underwear, it would be perfect (and if it were blue and gray)

[Leo656]

It's close enough! I'm just glad he's not wearing some monstrosity Scotch-taped together from paintball armor and a motorcycle helmet like the LAST guy! :lol:

Since Doomsday is very strongly "rumored" to be the physical villain in this movie, I have a very strong feeling that one of my early hunches was correct, that Superman will go down saving the world from Doomsday and "die" in this movie, and the Justice League forms to protect Earth in his stead. Then, in Justice League Part 1, Brainiac invades Earth, summoned by the same beacon that summoned Zod in Man of Steel, and fights the League to a standstill. Then Superman returns in Justice League Part 2, they stop Brainiac, and everyone finally loves Superman and the rest of them the way they're supposed to. Ta-da.

Makes sense to me. That's a really great way to do it if that's indeed what they're planning. I mean I don't see any good reason NOT to do that, really. It works. I mean, it's a little "early" to kill Superman, but they've already announced his second solo movie, so it's not like he'd stay "dead" for long anyway, and if he dies protecting Earth from something like Doomsday, that would be the perfect thing to win over the people of Earth who were cynical or afraid, to prove that he was a hero and not an invader or whatever.


I'unno, pretty excited.

[Turo602]

It's close enough! I'm just glad he's not wearing some monstrosity Scotch-taped together from paintball armor and a motorcycle helmet like the LAST guy! :lol:

Since Doomsday is very strongly "rumored" to be the physical villain in this movie, I have a very strong feeling that one of my early hunches was correct, that Superman will go down saving the world from Doomsday and "die" in this movie, and the Justice League forms to protect Earth in his stead. Then, in Justice League Part 1, Brainiac invades Earth, summoned by the same beacon that summoned Zod in Man of Steel, and fights the League to a standstill. Then Superman returns in Justice League Part 2, they stop Brainiac, and everyone finally loves Superman and the rest of them the way they're supposed to. Ta-da.

Makes sense to me. That's a really great way to do it if that's indeed what they're planning. I mean I don't see any good reason NOT to do that, really. It works. I mean, it's a little "early" to kill Superman, but they've already announced his second solo movie, so it's not like he'd stay "dead" for long anyway, and if he dies protecting Earth from something like Doomsday, that would be the perfect thing to win over the people of Earth who were cynical or afraid, to prove that he was a hero and not an invader or whatever.


I'unno, pretty excited.

I don't know, having Superman out of the picture in the very first Justice League movie ever is pretty lame. I mean, you still got Batman and Wonder Woman in this movie and if Doomsday is the big bad, there's no need to kill Superman when he has so much help.

[Leo656]

We shall see.

Some people reported a scene being filmed that looked like a funeral or memorial for Clark Kent, though, so... y'know, factor that in.

I kinda get it about the first Justice League movie possibly not having Superman, but if you look at it another way, since he's going to be in the Part II regardless, the first one would be more about everyone else. I mean one of the things people always say about the Justice League is, "If you have Superman and Batman, why do you need anyone else?" By taking Superman off the board for the first half, it enables them to showcase Flash, Green Lantern, Cyborg, etc. more properly (since their solo movies aren't coming out until after Justice League), and then Part II would be the full League taking on Brainiac or Darkseid or whoever once Superman comes back from being "dead" through whatever shenanigans.

I mean, they've wanted to use both Doomsday and the Death storyline for over 20 years. That hasn't changed just because they've rebooted the series twice. If Doomsday is in BvS at all, then safe money says Superman takes a fall. I mean why waste Doomsday in a movie if he doesn't kill Superman? That's the one and only thing he's useful for, his entire reason for being created.

I'm fine with it. Should be a fun ride.

[TigerClaw]

The Synopsis has been revealed.
http://collider.com/batman-vs-superman-synopsis-revealed/
Fearing the actions of a god-like super hero left unchecked, Gotham City’s own formidable, forceful vigilante takes on Metropolis’s most revered, modern-day savior, while the world wrestles with what sort of hero it really needs. And with Batman and Superman at war with one another, a new threat quickly arises, putting mankind in greater danger than it’s ever known before.

[Raph's Girl]

The Batmobile has been unveiled publicly complete with the stats. There's some pics of the cocpit as well.

Facts:
– Twin .50 caliber retractable machine gun turret
– Fully armored
– Stealth-capable
– Active Protection Systems/Anti-ballistics
– 20 ft. long/12 ft. wide
– 7000 lbs.

http://media.comicbook.com/uploads1/2015/06/batmobile-interior-1-139390.jpg

http://comicbook.com/2015/06/09/batman-v-superman-batmobile-publicly-unveiled

[TheCanadiandrome]

cool articles! i can't wait for this movie

[Leo656]

That thing is f*cking amazing. I thought nothing would ever eclipse the Tumbler in my heart... but I'unno...

Good to know I was right about predicting the basic plot of the movie, as I am about all things. :tgrin: In seriousness, though, it's not hard to figure out. I mean that's how like every "team-up" story works. :lol:

All that's left to be confirmed is if the "new threat" is actually Doomsday. There's persistent rumors that Michael Shannon was on set at one point, and that the movie's plot has Luthor using Zod's DNA to create Doomsday... this late in the game, I'd be surprised if that was NOT the case. Which I can get behind completely.

[Leo656]

Apparently some new promotional posters where shown off at a promotional expo in Vegas:
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman05/150610-PosterBat.jpghttp://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman05/150610-PosterSup.jpg

Tons of other stuff from the Expo, including lots of shots of the full movie costumes on display, the Batmobile, and more: http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16533

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman04/150609-LicensingExpo16.jpg

Awesome stuff, as usual. Although, as others have already pointed out, that mannequin looks a lot more like Wonder Woman than Gal Gadot does. :lol: I'm the worst, I know.

I wanna just go to sleep and wake up in March. This is killing me.

[TheCanadiandrome]

dang that alll looks so cool

[Leo656]

Superman and Batman still need trunks. :ohwell:

I really don't get why people don't see them as necessary. They don't look "right" without them. It's the difference between wearing a super-hero costume and wearing a wetsuit plus cape.

Still, damn good-lookin' on the whole, though. I just get annoyed when things decide to be only 9/10s perfect. Why not go all the way? Meh.

Still the best Batman costume we're probably ever gonna see, though. Damn, that thing is spiffy.

[Amaranthus]

I was watching I Am Legend and saw a Batman logo with a Superman logo on it.
It was somewhere in the beginning of the film, weird.
Quit watching though because the jumpscares were killing me.

[Candy Kappa]

Superman and Batman still need trunks. :ohwell:

I really don't get why people don't see them as necessary. They don't look "right" without them. It's the difference between wearing a super-hero costume and wearing a wetsuit plus cape.

I agree. Especially when they are based off the Strongman outfit, it's just basic color composition 101.

[Leo656]

Amaranthus: Yeah, when they were making that movie they were also in the very early stages of doing a (completely different and eventually scrapped) Superman vs. Batman movie, so they stuck that in as like an inside joke.

[Leo656]

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16571

Apparently...
-In the movie, there is a scene where Batman breaks deep into Lexcorp/Cadmus and manages to hack into the Lexcorp computers. Batman brings up surveillance footage on the monitors which shows the following:
Ezra Miller's The Flash is a blur that stops a robbery. (Previously reported on Daily Superhero)
-Jason Momoa's Aquaman is held prisoner in a containment chamber where we see his hand slap against the glass.

Neat.

Also, there's speculation that Suicide Squad takes place between Mos and BvS, and there may be events in SS that bridge the two films.

Also...
I'm intrigued by how the article says, "LexCorp/Cadmus". I wonder if it's still vague, if the author is confused, or if in this version LexCorp runs Cadmus, which I can totally see being the case. Is Luthor spying on/experimenting on super-humans? If Cadmus is involved, this all but confirms Doomsday. And if Luthor secretly runs Cadmus, we're almost definitely going to be seeing Clone Superboy a few movies down the line. At least it would make perfect sense for them to do so.

This is all getting very interesting and I'm excited to see this universe grow.

[ProactiveMan]

Superman and Batman still need trunks. :ohwell:

I really don't get why people don't see them as necessary. They don't look "right" without them. It's the difference between wearing a super-hero costume and wearing a wetsuit plus cape.


Exactly. No trunks makes Superman look like a eunuch. The suit looks like skin over a musculature, so he looks naked but without any junk, so my brain just sees a dude with no package.

[Cure]

My brain definitely sees a package. On both of them.

[ProactiveMan]

Sure - if you stare.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't think you even need to stare, they are quite eye catching. Which us kinda funny since guy superheroes rarely gets a package in comics, it's like, Ken doll flat.

[ProactiveMan]

Superman in the glass case looks exactly like Ken in that regard. Not 80s ken, with the moulded undies, but 90s ken with the integrated codpiece.

I just had one of those moments where you step outside your body and see yourself discussing Superman's junk on the internet. My bad.

I agree with your colour theory statement BTW, that suit needs the trunks to break up the shape a little.

[Leo656]

"But it makes him look queeah!" - Immature Nitwits :roll:

[Amaranthus]

"But it makes him look queeah!" - Immature Nitwits :roll:

Am I racist for picturing a Chinese guy saying that?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I keep coming on here hoping for new news, but NOPE.

Let's discuss Clark Kent's jumblies instead. :teek::tlol:

Seriously though, why is wearing your briefs over your pants cool!?

[ProactiveMan]

If you have to ask, you won't understand.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If you have to ask, you won't understand.

Nostalgia? Is that the answer?