Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Commenter 42]

Maybe it really is just a black thing. Maybe we just have better taste.
Can't lie, I loved watching that bald fool Weintraub get slapped hard. He absolutely has the worst taste in movies, and he reviews them. Human Garbage that kid.

Nice to see someone finally call him out, and on his own damned show!



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[NinjaPug]

Preview for the movie is coming this Monday during Gotham.

[ZariusTwo]

http://dccomicsmovie.com/cross-fire-an-original-companion-novel-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/

A prequel junior novel, "Cross Fire" by Michael Kogge, will be released February 16th

[After saving Metropolis from an alien invasion, Superman is now famous around the world. Meanwhile Gotham City’s own guardian, Batman, would rather fight crime from the shadows. But when the devious Doctor Aesop escapes from Arkham Asylum, the two very different heroes begin investigating the same case and a young boy is caught in the cross fire.

This action-packed junior novel tells an original story about the stars of Batman v Superman(TM): Dawn of Justice. The book also includes a full-color insert with images from the feature film.

[NinjaPug]

Full trailer on Wednesday:

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[CyberCubed]

I wonder why they put so much focus on a dream sequence.

[JTH]

I wonder why they put so much focus on a dream sequence.
To show why Batman believes the world is safer with Superman not part of it and should be destroyed.

Which is pretty much the whole point of the focus of the movie.

[sdp]

The movie has plenty of stuff going on already to waste time on a long dream sequence.

[CyberCubed]

I tend to forget, is Aquaman in this movie too? Or is it just Supes/Batman/Wonder Woman?

Last thing I remember was a whole bunch of other superheroes being crammed in.

[sdp]

I think all of the JL is there with Flash/Aquaman/Cyborg but they'll only be making very brief cameos. I think I read Cyborg has the biggest role and he only appears as a human and his name is mentioned and that's it. Wonder Woman also technically only has a guest appearance and not a big role in the movie.

[MikeandRaph87]

I tend to forget, is Aquaman in this movie too? Or is it just Supes/Batman/Wonder Woman?

Last thing I remember was a whole bunch of other superheroes being crammed in.

Aquaman is in two scenes according to Momba. Scene 1. Aqyaman us a group of heroes gathered by Lex Luthor. Scene 2 epilogue shoes him joining the Justice League.

[Leo656]

Leave it to CyberCubed to force me to break a promise. I said I wasn't coming back in here ever again but I'm forced to respond to your insipid question.

Yes, Aquaman is in it, as are Flash and Cyborg, but they all have very small cameos. Wonder Woman's role is smaller than either Superman or Batman, but still vital. She has fewer scenes but every scene she's in is super-important.

Based on what's been leaked so far...

- Aquaman gets ambushed by soldiers near a LexCorp oil rig and taken prisoner by Project Cadmus. LexCorp and Cadmus have several meta-humans held prisoner as part of a program based on manipulating and possibly replicating meta-human genes and DNA. The meta-human disappearances are what brings Wonder Woman into the story, she's investigating the disappearances and has tracked them back to Luthor. Wonder Woman sets him free mid-way through the movie, but he abandons her to head back to the ocean. He has a change of heart at the very end and pulls a Han Solo, coming to the aid of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman during the final battle scene. He has he biggest role of all the cameos, but still very much a bit part.

- Victor Stone/Cyborg's father is one of the scientists working for LexCorp/Cadmus. When the Cadmus facility is destroyed during the final fight scene, Victor is near-fatally wounded while trying to rescue innocent people. By the end of the movie, Vic is transferred into the C.Y.B.O.R.G. Program. He's said to have very few scenes, all very brief. For the sake of this movie, he only exists as collateral damage. There's even a very small possibility that his scenes might be cut for time and left for the DVD, since WB recently reversed course on the Cyborg solo movie in favor of doing Teen Titans. Put it this way: I wouldn't worry about Cyborg eating up any precious minutes of screen time.

- The Flash only appears as a red blur on a monitor screen near the very end of the movie, one of the very last things shown before the end credits, as a teaser for Justice League. He never makes a full appearance or is even referred to by name. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are discussing JLA recruitment, and Batman takes notice that there are reports of a red blur stopping bank robbers near Central City. The audience is just supposed to know it's him.


And that's about it. Again, "rumors", but all from the same source that accurately predicted every single bit of trailer footage we've seen so far about 6 months in advance, so I'm inclined to believe everything up there is legit until I see something that contradicts the script summary I have saved on my hard drive.

So yeah, it's not going to be crammed. It'll be a big, long movie, probably 2.5-3 hours for sure, but it's mostly about Clark, Bruce, and Diana each going after Lex for their own individual reasons, and the way he manipulates events to pit them against each other, briefly, before they team up to take him down. I didn't put that part in Spoilers because I feel like it's pretty obvious to everyone by now that that's the plot.

So the movie has 4 "main characters" and a bunch of bit players. Gee, it's like they haven't already been doing comic book movies using that exact template for 20 years now. :lol:
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Spiffy teaser. The "Knightmare" scene is supposed to also be very short, just to really put over how Batman sees Superman early on and why he sees him as dangerous enough to go after. Probably won't take up much more screen time than Tony's "revelations"/"visions" during Age of Ultron, if any. I mean I get it, to really sell the "Why" you have to get into Batman's headspace. Makes sense.

[Bry]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVHStosWIAAIKGd.jpg

...is Superman's surly pouty stink face supposed to be funny?

Because it is freakin' hilarious.

It's like Batman just told Superman he can't go hang out with the Teen Titans until he's done cleaning up his Metropolis.

[Pollyparrot]

Interesting that 2016 will be the year of superheroes fighting each other. Captain America and Iron Man are going to try to beat each other up.

[Commenter 42]

Leave it to CyberCubed to force me to break a promise. I said I wasn't coming back in here ever again but I'm forced to respond to your insipid question.


*Ahem...
FINALLY!
http://1000awesomethings.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/set-of-keys.jpg

Here you go. Lock up when you're done. I'm out. :P

[Slade]

Just want to say, Batman looks like he was pulled out of a comic. I'm stoked. Well I have been for a long time anyway.

[CyberCubed]

Just want to say, Batman looks like he was pulled out of a comic. I'm stoked. Well I have been for a long time anyway.

Its definitely the best live-action Batman costume we've ever had.

Its funny, to most people Superman is the afterthought of this film, everyone just wants to see Batman. And to think this was originally "Man of Steel 2," and it basically turned into "I love Batman!" with Superman as some guy for Batman to fight. :roll:

[Slade]

Its definitely the best live-action Batman costume we've ever had.

Its funny, to most people Superman is the afterthought of this film, everyone just wants to see Batman. And to think this was originally "Man of Steel 2," and it basically turned into "I love Batman!" with Superman as some guy for Batman to fight. :roll:

Not to me pal, not to me.

[Leo656]

You're gonna be both surprised and disappointed at how little of the plot revolves around Batman, Cubed. I keep saying it but I get the feeling it's not sinking in for some reason.

The marketing is Batman-centric because Batman is the unfamiliar element. He's not the main character of the movie. He's the Secondary Protagonist, key word being "Secondary". Almost everything he ends up doing in the entire film is reactionary. He does have moments where he sets things in motion plot-wise but even those moments are spurred on by something other people do, or things he's afraid they're going to do.

It's still "Superman Guest-Starring Batman". It's not the other way around. That's never been the case at all and hasn't changed. He gets his name on top because he sells, and that's fine. It's not his movie. He has a big part in it. But it's not his movie. I'm not sure how much more plain I can make it. I don't even want to talk about this movie anymore most of the time, despite being excited for it, but I just can't let that kind of thing go without correcting it. Stop torturing me.

[Pollyparrot]

I'm just glad we don't have to listen to Bale's Batman voice in this movie.

[CyberCubed]

I want a good Superman movie, but Man of Steel was fairly meh for me. Also naturally with Batman being my favorite superhero, and this being his debut in this new movie universe, its generally far more exciting.

Its a bit of a shame to be honest. I really would love a good new set of Superman movies, but I guess its too late now with the whole Justice League thing they have planned next.

[Leo656]

The plan is to do Brainiac in the next one, they just have to get the other stuff done first.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm really wondering who the Big Bad in this is. It appears Lex does get in the Super Lex Suit at some point (if the toys are any indication), but I suspect that's not enough to drag out Wonder Woman and Aquaman and everybody. I've heard Doomsday, which was seemingly debunked (thankfully... why bring in endgame villains now?), and Bizarro.... which makes sense given Zod's body and what Lex might try to do to it. But I'm not sure.

What seems stupid to me is all the hubbub about Darkseid in Justice League. Why would you bring him in right off the bat? Where the hell do you go after you do Darkseid, exactly?

[Leo656]

I can say with almost definitive certainty that there is no Luthor Battle Suit scene, just as there was no "Luthor Wearing Armor Made of Kryptonite" scene in "Superman Returns". Sometimes toys are just toys. It's a way to get a Lex Luthor figure made since "Guy In Business Casual Attire" makes for a boring toy.

I do not believe the rumors about Doomsday's abscence. I think that was a fake-out; the guy who said Doomsday wasn't in it had his entire social media account taken down that same day. The whole thing just seemed weird. Too much like "Khan is NOT in 'Into Darkness', we swear!" I don't know why. It could be Bizarro, and that would also make a lot of sense to the basic plot of the movie, but for some reason I don't quite buy it. I still think Doomsday's a lock, and they just want to keep a tight lid on things. Mystery For Mystery's Sake. Dumb, but that's the biz.

I hear what people are saying about "Why are they doing the Big Villains like Doomsday and Darkseid now?!" But here's the thing: They're not going to be making 10 or 20 JLA movies over the next 25 years. They're not going to be making 6 or 7 Superman or Batman movies. Not in the same universe. It's very, very clear that this version of the DCU is going to be focused only on the big, iconic parts. The big stories. The big characters. The Big Moments. The Iconic Stuff. "Ultimate DC". "All Killer/No Filler". Call it what you will.

Put simply, they're not going to waste a $300 million dollar budget on a JLA movie with someone like Starbreaker or Prometheus as the villain, just to "save the Big Guys like Darkseid for later." You don't always GET a "later". Green Lantern saved all of its best material for the sequel that's never getting made (although "GL Corps" might end up fixing all of that in a roundabout way); that's a good example of why there is NO good reason to wait for a later movie, when you have bad guys like Doomsday, Brainiac, and Darkseid that A. Hollywood has been dying to adapt for decades while waiting for effects technology to catch up, B. Have never been done in a movie before, and C. Are far and away the most popular "Dream Picks" for any serious comic book fan. I mean, as far as Doomsday goes, they've been trying to do that in some fashion since 1996. Just f*cking do it already. It can't be any worse than Smallville. It can't. It's mathematically impossible.

As for Darkseid and JLA: Let's just pretend, for a second, that someone gives you half a billion dollars to do a JLA movie, and you can pick your own villain, BUT, you might only get to make one movie, ever, so you need to really make it count the first time you swing... you pick Darkseid. That's it, you just pick Darkseid. You don't say, "Well, let's have them fight Starro this time, and then Darkseid six years and three movies from now." That's nuts. People are already complaining of comic book movie overkill; in 6 years it might be "too late". So with all this juicy meat just simmering in the marinade, why the f*ck should we fill up on bread?

Because truth is, you can still do a LOT of things after that. You could do Earth-2/Crime Syndicate of Amerika. With a few films' worth of set-up you can do Crisis on goddamn Infinite Earths, if you wanted to do a really smushed-down version of it like Marvel's doing with Civil War. You could even bring Darkseid back and do something similar to Final Crisis, since Hollywood is all about the rematch. Star Wars is about to rehash the Death Star again, and that movie's going to make more money than anyone even has. You can do a million things. "Where do they go next?" is a non-existent problem. "They can go anywhere, it's fake."

That's what's exciting, to me. The fact that they're going right for "The Big Stuff" with these DCU films means that nothing is off the table. You're taking a movie with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and that movie is your starting point. Things only get bigger from that point? Well damn, that's a trip I want to take right now. I don't want a slow build over ten movies to finally see a villain worth fighting. I want to see the JLA fighting Para-Demons while Superman and Darkseid punch each other across the Multiverse, and I want it right the f*ck goddamn now.

And I really don't see why anyone wouldn't. They're dead inside, is what it is. They're dead inside.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[Leo656]

That... was the goddamn greatest thing I have ever seen in my life. I watched Jimmy goddamn Kimmel just to see this thing! :trazz:

Also... c'mon... am I always right about stuff or what? :lol: I don't know where that leaked script summary came from originally but holy sh*t am I glad I've been watching every scrap of news on this thing like a hawk, because if I hadn't been online on that specific day at that specific time, I would have missed it before it got nuked by WB. It's all true. So rad. I already "knew" what would be in the movie... but seeing it come to life... oh man. It only makes me more excited. Knowing what's to come, things we still haven't seen that are gonna look SO HUGE on the big screen... oh, man.

And c'mon. "...She with you?"
"...I thought she was with you..." :lol: Come ON. Gold Star A+ Perfect 10 Smiley Face.

March 25 needs to be tomorrow.

[ToTheNines]

Lex is going to make me barf. Other than that, looking cool.

[sdp]

I found this trailer to be pretty lame; it wasn't exciting and made the movie sound lame. I think the Civil War trailer was better and you guys have seen how much I've criticized Marvel lately. Only thing I liked from the trailer was Luthor, wish he didn't have hair though.

[plastroncafe]

...she's pretty.

[TurtleTitan97]

I just can't buy the guy as Lex Luthor.

[NinjaPug]

Trailer didn't do much for me outside of WW and Doomsday. This version of Lex is terrible.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think it looks awesome. Affleck's bat voice is so much better than Bale's

[MikeandRaph87]

To sum it up....destruction set off by Superman vs General Zod creates misunderstanding of Superman's intentions and Lex sets Batman against him. Then Batman realized the truth of the situation so Lex revives Zod as Doomesday. Wonder Woman arrives to help and the JLA is formed with defeating Doomesday as it's inaugural mission.

[sdp]

Based on the trailers he's already better than any movie Luthor. This movie feels like an animated DC movie based on the trailer, that's the tone I got from it. And this trailer made me feel like I already know how the movie is going to go. They should've kept the BvS angle until closer to release date.

[TigerClaw]

New trailer looks good, Can't wait to see the 3 fighting Doomsday.

[sdp]

The trailer felt like it'll play similar to the first Avengers movie, some may see that as a plus but not for me, the jokes in the trailer were Batman and Robin level of bad to me, couldn't take it seriously, it felt as bad as the Marvel-esque jokes from the Green Lantern movie, I thought they had learned from that. Knowing how they team up and meet WW already, ugh what a bad taste in my mouth, and I was super excited. I'll still see it Day 1 and I'm sure it won't be bad but this trailer was just awful. And with this I think I'm done complaining for a while.

[Autbot_Benz]

Why can't DC give us a serious Lex Luthor. Why do we get over the top zany goofy Lex Luthors. I want a live action version of Clancy Brown's JLA Lex from the Cartoons.

[Leo656]

I found this trailer to be pretty lame; it wasn't exciting and made the movie sound lame. I think the Civil War trailer was better and you guys have seen how much I've criticized Marvel lately. Only thing I liked from the trailer was Luthor, wish he didn't have hair though.

You are f*cking high. :lol: As for the hair, I'unno what's going to happen but they've made no secret that he's gonna be bald by the end of the movie. They kind of made a big deal about it.

After watching it a few times I realized that Eisenberg is playing Lex the same way John Shea did on Lois & Clark - which was really good - the only problem is the squeaky voice. Not a big fan of the squeaky voice. But I get the feeling that this Lex is a rather reptilian sort of fellow, with a totally fake persona he puts on for the public, and the voice is a part of that. You notice that he totally abandons it during "darker" moments. He keeps switching between this fake, "goofy nice guy" persona and some kind of lizard-person depending on what scene he's in. His delivery of "If man won't kill god... the Devil will do it!" is pretty good. That is some choice Lex dialog right there. I think we have a lot more yet to learn about this guy, frankly.

Actually, everyone's dialog is really, really good. As far as I can tell, there's going to be plenty of humor in the film, thankfully, albeit much of it very subtle but well-placed. "You should not pick a fight with this person!" :lol: I almost fell over, swear to God. And that Clark and Bruce scene is epic. I swear, when they look at each other after Bruce makes that "freaks dressed like clowns" crack.. I swear, in that moment, they already know who each other is. You can just tell. Clark's annoyed squint... Bruce's little smirk... I'm positive that they already know right there. And that's awesome. These characters are Characters. I love it.

I'm honestly shocked how much they showed, for sure. I knew in my gut we were getting Doomsday but I thought we wouldn't see him this soon, if at all. But I feel like they had no real choice. They've played it close to the vest for a long time and public opinion has been mixed. They had to get a few minutes of attention after the Civil War trailer dropped. They needed to answer a lot of lingering questions to assuage people's fears.

I thought Doomsday would be a little bigger. That's all I can say "negative". The cinematography is great; the shots are comic book pages come to life, even the way the shots of "talking heads" are framed. I love that kind of stuff; I mean it's not something everyone would notice, but it's nice. They didn't frame it like a movie, they framed it like a comic book. Maybe that's not everyone's taste. I love it. That shot of the Trinity at the very end was absolutely Golden. That's a center-fold double-splash right there. That's a Big Moment, and it looks like a Big Moment. I've wanted to see Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in a movie since I was 3 years old. And I never thought it would be this good or this Big.

I've been following the Superman and Batman movie projects like a fanatic since I was 10. Every time they said they were gonna do a Batman/Superman movie, or a JLA movie, or a movie with Doomsday, I'd get my hands on a plot synopsis, or an outline, or a leaked script, and it was like, "You know what? They can't do it. I don't want them to do it. Every time they try they get stupid and f*ck it up. They're gonna f*ck it up. I don't want them to f*ck it up." Every attempt they've ever tried to get off the ground for something like this, from 1992 through 2007, has been a complete disaster that deserved to die on the vine. Every script was awful. Every idea was contrived. They were always gonna f*ck it up.

And somehow, when they finally managed to do it... they didn't f*ck it up. I can't even begin to imagine how, but they actually got it right. Something so big, so complicated and delicate, with so many pieces spinning at once, and they managed to make it work. It's like they actually went back over every stupid "re-imagining" they ever tried over the last 20 years decided they were over-thinking it, and said, "Y'know... maybe we should just kinda copy the comic books. I mean what's the worst that could happen? It's certainly never been tried before!"

Have Mercy.

[Commenter 42]

...she's pretty.

Yes, yes she is.

Doomsday looks like garbage, but Gadot is yummy.

[plastroncafe]

He just kind of looks like...a golem.

[Leo656]

I wouldn't go that far - my wife immediately said he looked like an Orc :lol: - but my dude should be like 8 feet tall. :lol: I think he actually undergoes a secondary or even third mutation at some point during the fight though. I've heard he starts to change and adapt during the fight, like he does in the books. He's supposed to be programmed to regenerate, adapt to attacks, and at first is semi-remote-controlled via LexCorp military technology to cause massive collateral damage. I think what we saw was like a "Larval Stage" Doomsday, straight outta the pod. At first I was like, "Eh, Kinda small," then I remembered what I read about stuff that happens during the fight and was like, "Wait, duh." I'm not sure if it's just that he grows or gets more bones or both of those or what. I know "stuff happens" but what I saw was not very specific about that. I can tell ya how the Big Fight ends but that's about all I got.

[Commenter 42]

He just kind of looks like...a golem.

exactly, or the thing from the hobbit... the face looks childlike. It's from the same crew as PDMT so... no surprise I guess :(

Not that Doomsday ever looked that great...it's a half baked design to start with.

[Commenter 42]

maybe This guy did the design? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kSqcUDlvDBM/UOqIStisSTI/AAAAAAAABqc/adFJhUvJkq4/s1600/Orc.jpg

Maybe he was done at Weta.

anyway...

[CyberCubed]

So is Lex supposed to be gay in this movie? That's the thing I took the most from this trailer.

[Leo656]

It's because they based it off of Michael Shannon's face and "stretched" or manipulated it. You can tell if you squint. Kinda weird, but... there's really no one way Doomsday ever looks to begin with, so I'm flexible with that. Since they took the Kryptonian DNA from Zod's corpse I guess they figured why not make him resemble Zod a little bit. Eh. I don't think they needed to but I don't see what it hurts. It's ugly. He's ugly. He's supposed to be ugly. :lol: I'm not overly concerned with the face, as I am with how much catastrophic, Biblical amounts of damage he can do. And in that, I am feeling pretty secure.

And again, I'm almost positive that was just a Level 1 Doomsday. I don't know what the Final Boss version looks like but I *kind of* have a faint idea, which, if accurate, should be rather nice.

I keep thinking back to old art and descriptions of older Doomsday concepts and designs and ideas they tried going with over the years... We're actually really, really lucky. :lol: The guy could have tubes full of liquid Kryptonite sticking out of him everywhere like some kinda goof. :lol: They fought for that way back when! No foolin'! I'm like, "Wow, heat vision/flame breath. Kinda neat. I remember when he was supposed to attack Superman by puking liquid Kryptonite at him in that Tim Burton horror show!" :lol: I'm content. We got lucky.

[Commenter 42]

So is Lex supposed to be gay in this movie? That's the thing I took the most from this trailer.

Eisenbergs' range extends only so far.

[CyberCubed]

You know Eisenberg would have made a great Riddler. I don't know why they casted him as Luthor.

I could have seen him running around with a question mark cane dressed as Riddler telling Batman and Superman to solve his riddles.

[Leo656]

Are people not listening? That's his "disguise". That's not the "real" Lex Luthor. We only see GLIMPSES of the real Lex Luthor in this trailer. We mostly see the "hipster douchebag" persona he puts on for the public. But that's an ACT. He is PRETENDING.

In case you haven't noticed, people having dual identities is a huge recurring theme in this particular piece of fiction, from Clark to Bruce to Diana to Lex. We have seen glimpses of each of them in both their "disguises" and their "Real Selves". The fact that everyone has two selves, the one the world perceives and the one that really exists, and how each character works to reconcile the two, is part of the entire theme of the movie. Like how Superman just wants to be a good guy and help out, but some people see him as a menace, or how Batman's just trying to protect people the only way he knows how but he's coming off like a paranoid lunatic to everyone else.

Is it gonna take the stuff near the end where Lex starts shooting people in the face before people start getting it? Swear to God.

[Commenter 42]

there's really no one way Doomsday ever looks to begin with, so I'm flexible with that.

err, yes there is:

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/85/Doomsday_Injustice_.png/revision/latest?cb=20130508003854

I know what you mean - sometimes he has longer hair, more or less spikes, maybe horns maybe not - and sure, they were going to fubar him in the movies of the past...

I don't care to be honest, but if I did, I'd argue he looks like dog shįt. But I don't care - I DO care that the quality is suffering across the board everywhere I look these days. Reminds me of the late 80's when horror films started looking cheaper and cheaper. I'm looking at the quality. I hear ya, he morphs and powers up later on - okay...but it's not just him. It's every movie. It's warcraft, and Gods of Egypt, Xmen Apocalypse, on and on.

It's insane to see the quality of work done by people I know, at home, then see what a studio has spent millions on. Mind blowing. You can't draw a comparison without shaking your head.

[Leo656]

That's a really good Doomsday but I mean c'mon, literally every person whose ever drawn him really has done it quite differently. I just know that what we saw isn't all there is to see, and what we saw wasn't really very bad. Not by my standards anyway.

As far as CGI and stuff goes, I know you're really close to it so I won't even engage on that because I'm ignorant of it. You know my personal opinion on it, so to me, it's honestly a "best it was ever gonna be" type thing. Close enough for government work. Or LexCorp/Cadmus, in this case. :trazz:

Some people are swearing they saw Para-Demons in one scene but I'm not totally sure that's what that was. If so, though... Nice. Nice.

I've heard a rumor that the "Nightmare" dream sequence was part of a vision Wonder Woman receives that shows what may happen to the world if "The Seven" are not united, including hints of Darkseid's eventual appearance, which is what motivates her to get involved. If that's true, then that really could have been Para-Demons, which is goddamn spiffy.

[Commenter 42]

Yeah - it's just you know, things like this:

https://cdn2.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/571/298/large/hang-li-humanhead-rbrl.jpg?1448791526


https://cdn0.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/571/316/large/hang-li-humanhead05.jpg?1448790339

Two guys made that. just an example of where the state of the art is at.
it's sad how little respect the effects get now. May as well be sock puppets.

I guess from where I sit, we could be making cg that genuinely frightened or amazed. it's 100% possible. The technical limitations are gone.
Do i literally have to do everything myself?


Like how did we not get this design for bubba lips?
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t31.0-8/11728995_10155753901470648_6621352630765482202_o.j pg

Like THATS THE GUY, right? you take one look and you know and then, given some refinement, it screams awesome. You can almost hear Tim Curry voicing him or the like. It's not confusing or Ivan F'ing ooze.

[Leo656]

I suppose. I guess I'm just not as emotionally invested in CGI and I'm not sure I ever will be. Not saying that's good or bad; it's just not one of my Big Buttons. I mean, stuff like "Hulk" really annoys me, it's super awful as far as the effects, but I can still watch the movie. I care, but not very much.

Meanwhile, this is unrelated to what we were talking about, it just struck me funny. I love comments floating around like, "So they show Superman and Batman team up? What's the point of the movie then?!" :roll: Like, I get that it's called "Batman V Superman", and the conflict has been the selling point up until now... and the trailer definitely gives you a lot (although not anywhere near as much as you think... ;););))... but I don't think that "Superman and Batman end up on the same side" is any kind of f*cking spoiler. :lol: Are people really so f*cking simple? I know not everyone does Comic Book, but that's their history. That's their pattern. They meet, they don't get along, they bicker, they throw down, they unite against a common enemy and along the way discover they're really not all that dissimilar. The specifics of the villain(s) or the scenario are fluid and depend on the writer, but those are the beats. That's how the story goes. That's how the movie's doing it. "It's all the same... only the names'll change." I mean, as long as we're keeping the spirit of the material intact, would people rather see Superman and Batman have their first team-up to fight Magpie, as in the comics, or Lex and Doomsday? I know what I'd rather spend my dime on, y'know?

Anyone who thought Superman and Batman weren't going to be on the same side by the end of the movie is dumber than a goddamn box of hammers. And it's more than a few people, for some reason. Last week it was "Why are they fighting? This makes no sense!" This week, it's "Why are they teaming up? This makes no sense!" :lol: I hate it but I love it. But come on, people aren't that stupid, are they? I know I joke about being so far ahead of everyone else, as far as things like precognitive ability and plain old rational thinking skills, but I can't be that far ahead of the curve, right?

Did people really think all Superman and Batman were gonna do is punch each other and trade barbs for 45 minutes of a 2-3 hour movie? Sweet Sassy-Molassy. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

Back in the big crazy argument, I trying was point this out.

#1 you need to realize we are old now. Our frame of reference counts for nada.

#2 Todays kids just want to watch Batman beat the hell out of Superman. It's a world of cubes out their, freakishly in love with Bat's. Black is the new primary colors or some ****. He's the guy they grew up on. Superman has been some lame idiot for as long as they've been alive. as a child of the late 70's/80's - I have a very different viewpoint.

#3 Outside of comicbook land, no one actually cares. They care about as much as my wife does football. She'll watch the Superbowl, and pretend to know what's going on, but it's only so she can be part of the fun. 70% of the people going to see that movie fall in that camp. The other 30 think Gadot needs blue contacts and another round of roids to be adequate.

It breaks out something like that.

[Andrew NDB]

I really, really hope Doomsday isn't in this. Not because I don't want to see a big Doomsday vs. Henry Cavill thing (I do! properly!), but... we've gotten one Superman movie so far. Where he barely even became Superman at the end, to everyone's whining ("Whhhyyyyy did he kill Zod??? Even though he killed him in the comics decades ago????").

Doomsday is an endgame villain. Save him for later, for god's sake. Use Mongul or somebody, to same effect. For now.

[Leo656]

C42: I get it but I don't get it. It's one'a those kinda things. :lol: Like I do get it but I don't get how people can be that way.

People will be both surprised and satisfied by the Superman/Batman fight, regardless of the fact we know they end up on the same side. The "why" for it is interesting, and isn't fully revealed in the trailers. Hinted at, but not fully revealed. It's only partly because Lex is playing them against each other. That's a big part of it, and he does a few very specific things that directly put them in conflict, but that's not the entire reason.

Also, there are plot reasons why Doomsday is, and has to be, the villain, and why Mongul or "some other brute" wouldn't be adequate.

Anyone interested can read on.
The Superman/Batman fight is kind of in the middle to 2/3s of the way through the movie. Superman gets set up to look like he did something very bad that got a lot of people killed. Batman now completely, legitimately fears Superman as a threat, and is prepared to fight to the death to either stop him, or at least expose him as a monster so that someone else might stop him. He expects Superman to kill him, realizing that if he dies, he will become a martyr and the whole world will fear and hate Superman. He's also ready to kill Superman, if he has to, because he thinks he's just that dangerous and has to be stopped no matter what. Meanwhile, Superman is convinced that Batman was the one who framed him, because of certain things that happen. But, because Superman is Superman, he reluctantly gives Batman the fight he wants - holding back at some points, and fighting back in self-defense at others - pleading with him to stop this, because they're both on the same side, that he doesn't want to hurt Batman, or anyone. "If I wanted it... you'd be dead already." Some people heard that as a threat. It's not a threat, it's a simple statement of fact. "I can hurt you. I don't want to. Please don't escalate this." This is pretty much the only thing "borrowed" from Dark Knight Returns - Batman picking a fight with Superman, who isn't really into it at all and mostly only defending himself. Batman actually comes off as kind of a dick, as he has half of a city booby-trapped with Kryptonite weapons and heavy artillery to try and stop Superman. He is in no way portrayed as the "hero" in the conflict. Batman enters the fight as a paranoid lunatic, willing to become just as destructive a force, just as dangerous of a "monster" in order to stop Superman, as he thinks Superman is. If one of them is the "villain" of the fight, it's Batman. We clearly see where he is coming from, but we all can clearly also see he's completely wrong. It's a vicious fight with a ton of back and forth. Big action and fairly even.

Superman wins. Because of course he does. Batman figures Superman is going to kill him, and tells him to go ahead, and Superman refuses to. In the end, Batman reveals that the fight was partly a test, to see for himself, and show the world as well, what kind of person Superman is. If he killed Batman, Batman would still have "won", because the world would never trust Superman after that, seeing him kill a helpless human being rather than another Kryptonian who almost ended the world. The fact that Superman refuses to take the life of a defenseless victim finally proves to Batman that Superman is legit, that he is what he says he is, that he only wants to help, not hurt anyone, and that the Metropolis scenario was simply a situation that spiraled out of his control. They sort out the whole "Who's framing who?" business, find out it's Lex, because of course it's Lex, Lex is always behind everything, and then go they into Act 3, stop Luthor, and fight Doomsday, who is Lex's EndGame Fail-Safe plan in case Superman and Batman didn't kill each other like he hoped they would.
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The reason it HAS to be Doomsday, is because Lex (and the story) needs certain things to happen. He needs Superman dead, and aside from Kryptonite, which is still unproven at this point, he only knows for sure that a Kryptonian can damn sure kill another one. He figures that if he can create a creature from Kryptonian cells - Doomsday - that he can kill Superman with that if all else fails. He is literally the last resort. Lex's "Doomsday Protocol" for if Batman and Kryptonite didn't work. "In case of Emergency, Break Glass and unleash the giant monster with heat vision", and so forth.

Also, he knows that this will affect Superman psychologically, seeing yet another being Kryptonian-descent wreaking mass destruction on Metropolis. Doomsday is initially controlled from orbit by LexCorp satellites to execute Mass Destruction Protocols, causing F*ck-Tons of destruction on purpose and programmed to make it look to anyone observing it like Superman is really causing most of the damage. Once the link is broken, and Doomsday is free from LexCorp control, sh*t REALLY gets real. Superman, meanwhile, spends the whole movie blaming himself for what happened to Metropolis the first time - he activated the beacon, he led Zod to Earth, he let the fight get out of hand, he killed Zod and wasn't sure he really had to - and now, it's happening again. Lex knows full well what this will do to Superman: Screw with his head, throw him off his game, and make him vulnerable.

That's why it has to be Doomsday, and that's why it has to be Superman, Batman, AND Wonder Woman, not just Superman, or Superman and Batman. Because THIS is the moment , the "If these guys can't save us, the whole world ends" moment that shows the up-until-now-of-split-opinion people of the world why it NEEDS the Justice League. The movie makes it clear that this IS the Endgame Moment, and that only The Trinity can save the world.

Mongul, or Bizarro, wouldn't sell that moment properly. It had to be Doomsday. The impact to the story, and on Superman specifically as a character in the story, would be entirely diluted if you used someone else. The fact that he and Doomsday have a connection via genetic legacy is an important link between this movie and Man of Steel. It's important.

I get it. I understand the "Save it for later" argument, but it doesn't work. Why? Figure they have ten years to tell this "Epic, longform comic book story" as they've described it. They've announced TWO Justice League movies between now and 2021, and a bunch of smaller solo movies and universe-building films. When are they honestly going to have TIME to use the big guns if not now? The most you could honestly do is push everything back by ONE movie, tops. Like, say if you did, I'unno, Bizarro this time, Doomsday in Justice League, and then Darkseid in the Justice League after that... does it really matter? I don't think so. That hardly makes anything better or worse than just doing it now. They are not going to make 5 or 6 big, JLA-centric films in this universe, I promise you. They're going to make like 3, probably. 3 chances to use someone like Doomsday or Darkseid. Be real about it. And if the bottom falls out of the industry or people stop spending money on comic book movies, you might get zero chance.

I say f*ck it. Do it now while WB is willing to spend the money on it. I'm dog-tired of the 20-Year-Cocktease with f*cking Doomsday. It's NEVER going to be any better than this and it was NEVER going to be. The Avengers are going to have fought a bunch of nobodies over 80 movies before they fight f*cking Thanos and I already don't even care anymore because it's been dragged out for a f*cking decade already (slight exaggeration in both respects :lol:)! I don't want to see the DC movies pull that stupid, pointless bullsh*t. I like the Marvel movies. Swear to God, I do. But 80% of them are unnecessary in any way to the "Bigger Story" they've been telling for like ten f*cking years, and watching Superman fight Bizarro and the JLA fighting Starro or some sh*t would be just f*cking brutal, man, when we know they're "saving the good stuff for later". Even if it was good - and it probably would be very good - it would just be a goddamn cocktease.

Don't kid yourself. That would be ass. This is better. :) The Marvel movies - while good - have taken literally forever to get to the goddamn point already. I'm glad the DC movies are getting down to brass tacks early. F*ck the filler-movie bullsh*t and B-level villains. Been there, done that.

[Candy Kappa]

I really enjoyed that trailer. Doomsday's creature design is okay, but the original design wasn't exactly good or interesting to begin with, heck the containment suit was more fascinating then his actual looks.

[Commenter 42]

Is it me or are there multiple dialects competing for prominence? Everyone seems convinced Eisenberg is doing a gay voice, I hear an intentional speech impediment, the one where 3 comes across as tree, or ffrwee...

Afleck meanwhile, has something odd going for Wayne, and Cavile's American sounds very Brit.

[Leo656]

I really enjoyed that trailer. Doomsday's creature design is okay, but the original design wasn't exactly good or interesting to begin with, heck the containment suit was more fascinating then his actual looks.

Yeah, it was a very strange look but I liked the mystery of it. It wasn't a letdown when he was finally revealed outside his containment suit, but it somehow didn't match my imagination either.

I like it okay, but I'm hearing more and more chatter that we've indeed only seen Level One Doomsday, which is nice. I'm expecting to see more bone spurs/weapons and other adaptations and evolution along the way. That's nice, more to look forward to.

If you freeze-frame at 2:00-2:01, the scene of Batman fighting guys in the desert, those are definitely Para-Demons or something awfully close! This lends credence to the rumor that at least some of the "Nightmare/Dream Sequence" scenes, are from a vision Diana is given from a mystical Oracle, who shows her what will happen to the world if she doesn't help to "Unite The Seven", events which include Superman becoming a tyrant and Darkseid's invasion of Earth, possibly with Superman in his thrall.

Basically, if the Trinity doesn't form and stop Doomsday, and if they don't go on to form the Justice League and stop Darkseid, it's literally Armageddon.

I like that. If those are the stakes, then game on. :tsmile:

Is it me or are there multiple dialects competing for prominence? Everyone seems convinced Eisenberg is doing a gay voice, I hear an intentional speech impediment, the one where 3 comes across as tree, or ffrwee...

Afleck meanwhile, has something odd going for Wayne, and Cavile's American sounds very Brit.

I'unno about "gay", I don't hear that, but it's definitely over-the-top on purpose. It's an odd personal choice on the part of the actor, it seems, because again, the dialog and basic behavior etc. is very much in the vein of John Shea, which was a very good portrayal of Lex, it's really only the voice and the clothes that seem "off" from that. It's the same fake, manipulative scumbag putting on a false face for everyone to hide what a psychotic piece of garbage he is. It's definitely more... flamboyant. But I can tell, it's on purpose. It's not the real Lex. All the main characters wear masks. Diana poses as a socialite. Clark's mask is his glasses. Bruce's mask is literal. And Lex's mask is his "flamboyant hipster douchebag" gimmick. It's a way to go. He's said in the script to have some very dark moments, and that I can't wait to see.

Affleck, to me, sounds kind of sarcastic and weary, I guess. I'unno, I like it. it doesn't sound too dissimilar to Bale's Bruce voice. The Batman voice is way different and a little weird in its own way but I think it's better than Bale's.

Cavill, to me... and this is maybe interesting, maybe not... but one of my favorite things when I was a kid, I had these storybook record albums, like 3 of them, each with like 2-4 Superman audio stories on them, and I used to play those things all day every day until they were all worn out, "flying" around the living room, jumping off the couch and sh*t. Anyways... it finally hit me, that the deep, firm baritone that Cavill is using for Superman is almost exactly like what the guy playing Superman on those old records sounded like. This firm, authoritative voice that wasn't quite aggressive but made it clear he meant business.

One thing I love, unapologetically, is his Clark. The assertive, idealist reporter who tries to make a difference in the world through his real-life work, not a bumbling goofball. That will always be my favorite way to see the character done.

[ZariusTwo]

That was a good movie.

...Why are people saying this was a trailer again?

[Leo656]

:lol: If only you knew, how much you don't yet know, my dude. :lol:

That was shockingly meaty. But there's more. More, I say! The meat slides right off the bone! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

[ZariusTwo]

:lol: If only you knew, how much you don't yet know, my dude. :lol:

That was shockingly meaty. But there's more. More, I say! The meat slides right off the bone! :tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:

I'll hold you to that then...I'm mainly in for the ideology scenes. I loved how the trailer started with a snippet of that.

[Amaranthus]

Holy sh*t, that looks amazing.

[discordiatookie]

This looks freaking incredible. I've watched it twice now and grinned ear to ear the whole way through. Can't wait.

[Turo602]

Amazing trailer, definitely keeping me hyped. I love the Bruce and Clark interaction and look forward to more of it. Cavill plays a great Clark Kent though this version doesn't seem to be trying to hide behind goofball antics, which is a little disappointing but understandable given Lois not knowing his identity is a big part of what makes that whole dance charming. Bruce Wayne is also very great in this trailer. He's a huge dick but you understand why and it's just a fantastic contrast to Clark Kent.

Lex is easily the weakest part of this trailer and probably the whole movie. They're trying too hard to make him "scary" through his weird and oddball nature and it just doesn't work. This is Lex Luthor not the Joker. But of course, people will always defend anything that exists but nothing will ever justify this portrayal of Lex no matter how you try to slice it. Doomsday also looks very weird but I'm willing to get behind it if he does in fact physically evolve like most people seem to be suggesting.

I also don't get why people are saying this trailer was too spoiler heavy. Nothing I saw was anything most people didn't already know. The freakin' synopsis pretty much sums up the whole trailer and the Doomsday reveal wasn't even all that surprising given everyone already saw it coming.

Overall, I think the Comic-Con trailer was better but it was nice to see a lot more of Batman and Superman in action. Oh, and Wonder Woman being hot. Definitely my favorite part of it all.

[Slade]

I hate you all right now. I haven't seen it yet. Can't see videos on the computers at work, have to wait till I get off in a little bit...I hate you all right now....:lol:

[ToTheNines]

I wonder if they'll "kill" Supes...

[ZariusTwo]

I wonder if they'll "kill" Supes...

They won't.

[Bry]

Hold on... Were there jokes in that trailer? In a Zack Snyder movie?

I remain firmly in the "unconvinced" camp here. To each their own, but after Man of Steel I'm gonna need to hear a lot of positive word-of-mouth before I sit down with anything else in this series. This does look more enjoyable than Man of Steel, but to me that isn't saying much. :P

Eisenberg's Luthor is extremely irritating, though it also appears to be somewhat of an act, so there's that. And I see Snyder's still doing the handheld/kinda-shaky thing throughout much of the movie, which is... dumb, but whatever. He's a director that cares more about style than anything else, even when his stylistic preferences don't suit the material or even make a lot of sense.

If nothing else though, I'm more excited about the Wonder Woman movie now. So there's that.

My game plan is to wait for reviews/word-of-mouth, and if most of that's positive and my interest is piqued, I'll rent it at some point. But there'll be no convincing my wife to sit through this after Man of Steel, that much I know. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

http://i.imgur.com/dnpQBrl.jpg

:lol:

[Bry]

http://i.imgur.com/dnpQBrl.jpg

:lol:

Nice knowing you, everybody. I'm gonna go laugh until I die now.

[chrisdude]

Not sure how I feel about the trailer, overall. This take of Luthor seems like fun! I really like it, so far. Doomsday seems like a reasonable choice, in terms of scale and this idea of Lex wanting to kill Superman, but simply making a monster is a lame way to use Lex's intelligence and wit. He's definitely my favorite Superman villain, but I'd much rather see him take on Superman 1-on-1, like one of his grand schemes that takes advantage of Superman's nature, instead of him just being the means to setting up another city-ravaging battle. Unfortunately, movies have used Lex so many times, they'll probably move on to someone else when they get around to Man of Steel 2.

[TurtleTitan97]

http://i.imgur.com/dnpQBrl.jpg

:lol:

Wow, I didn't know Leo was gonna make a cameo in this. :lol:

[NinjaPug]

I wonder if they'll "kill" Supes...

I wondered that myself since they're bringing DD into the movie. Have DD "kill" Supes in this movie and then return in Justice League

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watching this trailer, I realized that I hate Jesse E.

Everything else though is amazing. As much as I love Nolan's movies, I love that this new take is going more comic-booky... the ONLY problem I had with Nolan's trilogy is the John Blake "Robin" thing; that was insulting.

But Robin(s)!? I'm in.

[Vicky82]

I thought the trailer was alright. Doomsday looks like a mangled ninja turtle :lol:

[plastroncafe]

I usually really like Eisenberg too.
I can understand wanting to Revamp Luthor.
I can even understand making him Larger than Life, to compensate for the Buildings that are Supes and Bats.
But...I guess I wasn't expecting his performance to be at 11.

[CyberCubed]

Eisenberg should have been The Riddler. I said this before, him making quips and taunting Batman and Superman with riddles would have been perfect. He even looks like Edward Nigma.

Man, I think they cast him for the wrong villain. Now who will be our next Riddler?

[Amaranthus]

I thought the trailer was alright. Doomsday looks like a mangled ninja turtle :lol:

That says more about the ninja turtles than it says about Doomsday.
He's supposed to be ugly (I assume), the turtles were just had bad designs.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Jessie Eisenberg, the new Tom Hiddlestone!:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I'm willing to be open about Jesse's Luthor. And at some point we do know he has a transformation... his hair gets burned off or whatever (the pics of him bald on set), and hops in the mechanized Luthor armor (pics of movie toys include it).

[Andrew NDB]

Man, I think they cast him for the wrong villain. Now who will be our next Riddler?

Hopefully nobody. He's kind of a lame villain, IMHO. But if I had to choose? Leo DiCaprio.

[Krutch]

Watched the trailer with an open mind and my opinion remains even more solidified that Affleck's performance will be the only thing I'll be able to enjoy in this movie.

I'm glad other people seem to enjoy it, though. Honestly.

It's just so not my kind of movie.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if they'll "kill" Supes...

They won't.

Which makes Doomsday's involvement fairly puzzling (especially since it's doubtful he'll be left at large by the movie's end to later on meet Superman again and kill him down the road). That's Doomsday's thing. He's the thing that kills Superman. That's what he's known for.

They should've brought in Warworld and Mongul. Or the Parasite. Or Metallo.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I know some people want Riddler to be played by Johnny Depp.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know some people want Riddler to be played by Johnny Depp.

I think he could actually do fairly well at it... what was the last gangster movie he did? Whatever it was, he was decent in it. Fairly intimidating.

[CyberCubed]

I know some people want Riddler to be played by Johnny Depp.

Isn't Johnny Depp like 50 years old now? Maybe if this was 10-15 years ago.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

To be fair, this has been said since the Dark Knight trilogy. Some wanted the Riddler to be the villain in The Dark Knight Rises since they think he would have been the one who would set the stakes up higher than Bane ever could.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

To be fair, this has been said since the Dark Knight trilogy. Some wanted the Riddler to be the villain in The Dark Knight Rises since they think he would have been the one who would set the stakes up higher than Bane ever could.

Hell, WARNER BROTHERS wanted Riddler to be the villain in The Dark Knight Rises, played by DiCaprio.

Honestly, as great as it would've been, I think Bane was a much more interesting choice. Nolan did wonders for the character after B&R.

[Andrew NDB]

Some wanted the Riddler to be the villain in The Dark Knight Rises since they think he would have been the one who would set the stakes up higher than Bane ever could.

I don't see how that's possible. And the Riddler is hardly ever portrayed as anything other than a meddling pest with a riddle gimmick.

The cool thing about new Batman movies and the new DC Cinematic Universe is, as much redemption as Nolan may have done for the character and I loved TDKR, we might actually get an actual comic book Bane. The thinker, the uber-underworld boss, and venom that's not portrayed as silly as it was in B&R.

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/d/dc/Bane_pic.jpg

And maybe actually -- gasp -- played by a Hispanic this time. My vote is Javier Bardem.

http://movies.mxdwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/javier-bardem-pic-ap-675784209.jpg

[CyberCubed]

The Riddler from the Arkham videogames is handled well, he's in all 4 games too doing the same thing.

[Andrew NDB]

The Riddler from the Arkham videogames is handled well, he's in all 4 games too doing the same thing.

Yeah, but there's a reason he's not really a boss in any of them. A movie of nothing but Batman solving riddles until he easily punches the Riddler in the face wouldn't be much of a movie. Even Batman Forever had to saddle him with Two-Face, who could carry a movie on his own.

If they ever do like a Batman villain team up movie, or some version of Knightfall, sure, he could be in the mix. But I don't really see him outside of that.

[Foombamaroom]

I'm really excited for this now. It looks better than MoS, especially now that we're gonna see Doomsday.

However, my god, there is SO MUCH CGI. I felt like I was supposed to get my PS4 controller and press X to punch Doomsday.

[MikeandRaph87]

I found this article on Yahoo! While I don't agree that Bay's Turtles looks like Doomsday it is amusing.

http://www.techinsider.io/batman-v-superman-doomsday-looks-like-ninja-turtle-abomination-2015-12

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Lol, while I agree with you, admittedly I thought of the turtles when I saw Doomsday. Makes me wish we could get a movie like this from the turtles.:tgrumble:

As for my thoughts, I honestly was impressed. You can sense the tensions between Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne when they insult each other's city's hero. I loved Jessie Eisenberg's obvious foreshadowing of their upcoming battle. There were a lot of things I thought were enjoyable in this trailer. I think he will be an interesting version of Lex Luthor. Something about him kind of screams that he might be DC's Loki, without the attraction of fangirls, hopefully. Bruce going after Superman because he sees him as a threat still kind of feels puzzling for Batman, though.

The end of the trailer felt like one if a Marvel movie with the same type of jokes, but hey, I'm not complaining. Doomsday's appearance seemed a bit comical to me. The way he came down made it look like is was supposed to be some type of weird gag. But Wonder Woman is where I got really excited. Gal Gadot looks amazing!:tgrin: I LOVE the hell out of their lines of what they say of her. (Superman: She with you? Batman: I thought she was with you?):lol:.

[CyberCubed]

I think the concern is the trailer revealed way too much of the flow of the movie. Bruce and Clark meet, they go about their business at the start of the film, Lex prances around, eventually Batman and Superman meet and fight, Doomsday shows up, Wonder Woman shows up, the 3 battle Doomsday till they win....and then have some final confrontation with Lex.

They basically telegraphed the whole movie in the trailer. Its basically comic book movie superhero formula tried and true. Switch the characters around and its basically a Marvel movie in DC universe paint.

[Commenter 42]

My game plan is to wait for reviews/word-of-mouth, and if most of that's positive and my interest is piqued, I'll rent it at some point. But there'll be no convincing my wife to sit through this after Man of Steel, that much I know. :lol:

Are we married to the same woman? :lol:

Honestly, it really looks like a rental. I get that the fan boys here are "hyped 9000 - ultramax" or whatever it is the kids say these days, but man. The "acting" takes me out of the movie...

But then Gal Gadot shows up and I'm paying full attention again.


If nothing else though, I'm more excited about the Wonder Woman movie now. So there's that.

^ yep.

Doomsday totally looks like he could be Bay's version of Slash.

http://i.imgur.com/7kiTyBG.jpg

[Leo656]

Andrew: If I'm wrong about this, I owe you a cracker of your choice, but I'm almost 100% positive that there is NO Lex Luthor Armor in the movie. I said this earlier but it may have been buried. They did the same thing in "Superman Returns", they had a "Lex Luthor Kryptonite Armor" action figure, and it had nothing to do with the movie.

It's just an easier way to sell a $10 action figure than "Guy in business casual dress". It's just a toy. Lex isn't going to be THAT physically involved. I'm almost positive.

As far as I know... and I've called everything so far... not bragging, just stating... but anyway, as far as I know... ((Heavy Spoilers))
Lex gets away at the end by pinning MOST of his crimes on Senator Cale. Authorities rule him to be "involved but not responsible", and LexCorp loses all of its government military contracts, striking a huge financial blow to LexCorp and giving Lex a bunch of all new reasons to hate Superman, but he is a free man at the end of the movie.

One of the last scenes in the film, is supposedly the famous "Lex and Superman taunt each other through the window of LexCorp Tower" scene from the comic books. Luthor tells Superman that he'll never stop trying to destroy him, and Superman tells him that he'll be waiting.

None of that would be possible at all if Lex were to don the armor at some point. Nothing I've heard or seen has him very directly physically involved, at least not on that scale. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm almost certainly not.

It's just a toy.
I wouldn't be shocked if they did use the armor in a future movie, though. The next Superman movie is supposed to be the Brainiac one, and sometimes he and Lex team up, so maybe they'll get around to it then. They'll almost certainly interact, at least.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think the concern is the trailer revealed way too much of the flow of the movie. Bruce and Clark meet, they go about their business at the start of the film, Lex prances around, eventually Batman and Superman meet and fight, Doomsday shows up, Wonder Woman shows up, the 3 battle Doomsday till they win....and then have some final confrontation with Lex.

They basically telegraphed the whole movie in the trailer. Its basically comic book movie superhero formula tried and true. Switch the characters around and its basically a Marvel movie in DC universe paint.

This pretty much sums it.

[Leo656]

Meanwhile, I'm over here laughing while people who don't know half as much as they think they do continue to persist in assuming they actually know everything. :lol: Add together the two trailers' worth of footage and you've seen... 5 minutes randomly cut and spliced together out of a 2-3 hour movie. :trazz: Yeah, you know some of the beats. You still only know about 10% of everything actually happens in the movie. Fact.

Don't worry. I've been hoarding "I told you so's" for almost half a year. I'll have enough to last from March 25th until sometime around Memorial Day, at least.

It's a juicy trailer. But it doesn't spoil anything we didn't already know. And what you haven't seen yet is gonna flip your lid.

I've said this many times, about many things, but people, in general, would be alot more relaxed in life if they listened to me, because I am right allllll the time. :lol: It's a heavy responsibility and I try not to be a dick about it, but it's kinda just the way things are. :trazz:
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For what it's worth, anyone who has any specific Spoiler-related things they're confused or uncertain about can feel free to ask me and I can PM you if you like. I wasn't completely sure if what I have was real but the new trailer confirmed about 99% of what I thought I knew. So I feel pretty confident in what I thought I knew that I now know I know. Y'know?

But yeah, feel free. For some reason I feel like it'd be better to do it in Private if I'm going to get any more specific than I've already been. It's a few months away yet.

EDIT: I realized I have to clean out my PM box, so maybe if anyone wants to be Spoiled, they can ask me here and I'll respond via PM. Just until I straighten that mess out. :trazz:

[Ninjinister]

Doomsday totally looks like he could be Bay's version of Slash.


http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/0/01/Slash_3ds.png/revision/latest?cb=20150428201207

[Andrew NDB]

Andrew: If I'm wrong about this, I owe you a cracker of your choice, but I'm almost 100% positive that there is NO Lex Luthor Armor in the movie. I said this earlier but it may have been buried. They did the same thing in "Superman Returns", they had a "Lex Luthor Kryptonite Armor" action figure, and it had nothing to do with the movie.

You might be right... but I think I'd take that bet. That by the end of the movie, we see a bald Lex Luthor piloting his super armor against the heroes.

OR

Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and whoever else they include in the final act of the movie have being toe to toe with Doomsday for a while... and he's beating them all. Badly. Maybe he's even about to kill Superman, so us comic book fans can be like, "Ooooh.... is he gonna kill him??!!" and then Lex Luthor shows up in his armor with either some miracle save to incapacitate Doomsday allowing the heroes to take him out, or just eliminates him outright. Now he gets to save face in public relations, the heroes can go back to what they were doing, and there's uneasy tensions with Lex who is now more of a hero in the public eye than ever before. And they'll probably do President Lex at some point. Because this definitely isn't ending with Lex in prison... they need him for Suicide Squad and such in the long term. He won't be like the Hackman Luthor squatting in sewers and ****.

[myconius]

I wonder if they'll "kill" Supes...

Cavill is listed in the cast for the Justice League 1 & 2.

same with Affleck and Gadot.

[Leo656]

Lex is busy elsewhere during the Trinity Vs. Doomsday fight. He wants to be nowhere near the scene by the time the dust clears.
When it looks like the entire scenario is getting out of hand with a catastrophic amount of damage, Senator Cale tries to shut Doomsday down, as he's still being remote-controlled by LexCorp. Luthor murders her and makes it look like a suicide. He then stages everything to look like Senator Cale was the mastermind of everything, and makes his escape.

He's not making any Cyborg Armor pit stops to join the actual fray. He just murdered a United States Senator, and if he's caught, he's a goner. After Doomsday is unleashed, Lex's entire agenda is saving his own ass and getting the f*ck out of Dodge. Not getting back within arms' reach of the only people who can conclusively prove that he was behind everything. That is an All-Risk/No-Reward Scenario, and Lex Luthor isn't that stupid. Plus, it's not mentioned anywhere at all in the script summary or even hinted at. In the script, Bruce, Diana, and Clark know it's Lex behind everything. Only they and Cale can prove it, that's why he frames and kills Cale. Nobody in the world is going to look twice at Lex.

But he's also not going to be pulling any "Grandstanding" would-be hero moves to publicly save face or be hailed a "Hero". Again, he saves his own ass and gets away. His entire plot hinges on nobody even being able to prove he was involved, period, except peripherally. The rub of the story is, Lex Luthor ends the movie in the same place Superman is at the beginning of it: Some people think he's humanity's savior, other people think he's responsible for getting a lot of people killed. And unlike Superman, it really IS all Lex's fault. Sweet, delicious irony. That's some crispy storytelling right there.

He gets away with everything, as usual. Almost. He loses all his government military contracts, because LexCorp manufactured Doomsday and the Kryptonite weapons. So he's penalized, but not imprisoned. You're right about that. He's still free, he's still rich, he's still powerful, but he's bald and he hates Superman.

Now, they could very well still do President Lex one day soon. There's nothing in the script that says he's vilified or hated by the public at large by the end, but that his "Perfect" facade is cracked and he's no longer universally loved. He's a popular, but divisive and controversial figure, as he usually is in the comics. They can still run all the way to the end zone and do President Lex if they wanted to. I honestly think they will eventually.

I have no idea why Lex is bald. That's never mentioned in the leak.

As far as whether Doomsday "kills" Superman, or if it's teased to look that way...
It's more like once Doomsday's link to the LexCorp satellites is broken, and Doomsday goes into FULL Rampage Mode with nothing to hold him back, nothing the Trinity tries can stop him or even slow him down. There's massive destruction and Batman, Wonder Woman, and finally Aquaman are doing everything they can but it's not enough. Superman realizes that if he doesn't do something drastic, right now, it's the end of the world, for real. He knows that no place on Earth is safe, and that he can't risk Doomsday ever coming back, so he takes Doomsday on one-on-one and, finally getting the upper hand, flies him into space and drives him through the heart of the sun.

The entire world assumes that Superman sacrificed himself to stop Doomsday... but after a few tense moments, Superman is shown to have survived when he returns to Earth, and at last the entire world is united behind him and the other heroes.

So Superman lives, but in showing how he was WILLING to die to save Earth, the question the movie opens with, "Is Superman a Hero or a Menace", is answered once and for all as the world celebrates his victory.

It's a good yarn. It's a good way to tell the story.

[Commenter 42]

just a toy...still

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVV56UoUAAAlsCx.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Superman isn't dying. This is movie #2.

just a toy...still

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVV56UoUAAAlsCx.jpg

What? We already know he's in it. Already public information. The rumors are about the other. I think it was confirmed Cyborg will make his debut here but I can't remember now. There was even conflicting rumors about Green Lantern.

[Commenter 42]

What? We already know he's in it. Already public information. The rumors are about the other. I think it was confirmed Cyborg will make his debut here but I can't remember now. There was even conflicting rumors about Green Lantern.

Easy sparky! Jesus.
The costume and colors etc...we haven't had a good look at the overall costume/colors. This is the first "toy" in color, not snydervision.

Dudes hair is also blonde. Rumored up until now.

[Leo656]

That's neat if at least one of Aquaman's outfits looks like that rather than the black and silver we saw in the promotional art. I know he shows up in at least three scenes
When he's captured by LexCorp/Cadmus, when Wonder Woman sets him free and he escapes back to (presumably) Atlantis, and when he comes back at the very end to help fight Doomsdaybut I have no idea what he's wearing in any of them or what color it is.

Victor Stone is in the movie.He's almost killed saving civilians from Doomsday. I don't know if he's actually "rebuilt" as Cyborg by the end but I don't think so. They mention he has been transferred into the "C.Y.B.O.R.G. Program" to be rebuilt but I'm pretty sure he's still mostly not much more than head and stomach by the end credits.

There is no mention at all of Green Lantern in the leak. If they put something in, it's very small, and was put in VERY late in the game. Not impossible, but I think since they're still very much uncertain of how they're going to approach the Green Lantern project, they didn't feel confident enough to put in a teaser for that just yet.

[JakeSully]

Anyone glad the "No humor" policy was bull sheet and there is humor in the trailer?

[Andrew NDB]

Anyone glad the "No humor" policy was bull sheet and there is humor in the trailer?

I think people took that way too literally.

[JakeSully]

I think people took that way too literally.

Some did as they said "Oh my god, WB is trying to ape the dark age of comics from the 1990s" and did you thought they were trying to imitate the 90s comics? one of my friends calls that era "a rotting corpse that was killed and buried for a reason as i thought they were gonna move away from that era".


Do you think some comic makers in the 90s took the wrong lessons from Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Heavy Metal magazine etc. as much as some filmmakers take the wrong lesson from Nolan?

[Amaranthus]

Some did as they said "Oh my god, WB is trying to ape the dark age of comics from the 1990s" and did you thought they were trying to imitate the 90s comics? one of my friends calls that era "a rotting corpse that was killed and buried for a reason as i thought they were gonna move away from that era".


Do you think some comic makers in the 90s took the wrong lessons from Frank Miller, Alan Moore, Heavy Metal magazine etc. as much as some filmmakers take the wrong lesson from Nolan?

Stop asking all these questions, goddamn!
It's all you do on this foruù. Ask questions about comic book movies and derailing threads and making threads purely asking about opinions and then continueing posting the same opinions you've been posting forever (this only applies to Marvel really, but you've done the no humor policy **** before and it's not a real thing).
A movie can be serious and still have humour. Marvel Studios' films are way too lighthearted and I'm glad DC isn't going that way with their shared universe. Not every goddamn superhero movie needs to be filled with crappy oneliners.

[JakeSully]

Stop asking all these questions, goddamn!
It's all you do on this foruù. Ask questions about comic book movies and derailing threads and making threads purely asking about opinions and then continueing posting the same opinions you've been posting forever (this only applies to Marvel really, but you've done the no humor policy **** before and it's not a real thing).
A movie can be serious and still have humour. Marvel Studios' films are way too lighthearted and I'm glad DC isn't going that way with their shared universe. Not every goddamn superhero movie needs to be filled with crappy oneliners.

piss off, you young edgy piece of ****.

[Amaranthus]

You do realize you just proved you're just some awful troll by PM'ing me about X-Men, right?

[JakeSully]

You do realize you just proved you're just some awful troll by PM'ing me about X-Men, right?

Im sure your happy WB and Fox they are allowed to smoke where Marvel has banned smoking.

[Amaranthus]

No-one can be this delusional. Right? :ohwell:

[CyberCubed]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but how do you guys feel about the "Batman voice" in this film, which we've heard a bit of in the trailers?

Many people disliked Bale's, "Batman voice" in the previous trilogy, so how do you feel about this one?

[JakeSully]

No-one can be this delusional. Right? :ohwell:

Your the delusional one, young edgy guy. Im sure you might mature one day and realize that humor is part of life and grown out of your emo days.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but how do you guys feel about the "Batman voice" in this film, which we've heard a bit of in the trailers?

Many people disliked Bale's, "Batman voice" in the previous trilogy, so how do you feel about this one?

Affleck's Bat-Voice is LEAGUES better than Bale's.

Your the delusional one, young edgy guy. Im sure you might mature one day and realize that humor is part of life and grown out of your emo days.

"You're"
"I'm"
Humor doesn't grow out of one's emo days.
I mean, if you're going to toss around the ol' Maturity Canard, it's best to actually write like you're a grown up.

[Amaranthus]

Your the delusional one, young edgy guy. Im sure you might mature one day and realize that humor is part of life and grown out of your emo days.

Not every movie needs to be lighthearted and filled with 13 year-old humour. Nothing wrong with a serious movie.
(Why do I even bother?)

[JakeSully]

Not every movie needs to be lighthearted and filled with 13 year-old humour. Nothing wrong with a serious movie.
(Why do I even bother?)

And im sure you think DC and Fox is for adults.

*slaps Amaranthus's head with newspaper like a dog

[Amaranthus]

Cylon, help me.
I think I'm going to throw myself off a building if I don't get a hug now.

[JakeSully]

Cylon, help me.
I think I'm going to throw myself off a building if I don't get a hug now.

It's cause your young and immature, you might call me an old man or a relic if you will or over the hill but i love that old time rock and roll from the 50s to the 90s, the kind of music that just soothes my soul. And i'm a bit more mature and not edgy.

[Amaranthus]

Kill me.
Kill me now, please.

[JakeSully]

Nothing with quoting lyrics from a classic song "Give me that old time rock and roll" from Bob Seger.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Cylon, help me.
I think I'm going to throw myself off a building if I don't get a hug now.

No hugs, but I'll at least grade your dive on the way down.

<holds up placard that reads 8.9>

[Amaranthus]

I'm just going to get this thread back on the rails.
I really liked Lex in the trailer (come at me) and if Leo is right (he always is) then he'll make for a really interesting villain.

[Autbot_Benz]

It seems Jesse Isenberg is playing Lex Luthor JR not Lex Luthor. Which Makes sense because on his Luthor Twitter he talks about his father a lot.

https://twitter.com/alexanderluthor

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's cause your young and immature, you might call me an old man or a relic if you will or over the hill but i love that old time rock and roll from the 50s to the 90s, the kind of music that just soothes my soul. And i'm a bit more mature and not edgy.

And yet, you type like a grade-school kid? Don't old men (relics, if you will) use proper grammar?

I'm still under 30 but even I despise people who can't type properly.

To quote Senator Vreenak, "IT'S A FAAAAAAAKE!"

(If any of you didn't get that reference, you are what's wrong with this world. Go watch Deep Space Nine and redeem yourselves.)

[JakeSully]

Affleck has won me as Batman as he could be the best one since Keaton.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It seems Jesse Isenberg is playing Lex Luthor JR not Lex Luthor. Which Makes sense because on his Luthor Twitter he talks about his father a lot.

https://twitter.com/alexanderluthor

The Jr. means nothing. It's archnemesis xenophobic Lex Luthor.

I'm just going to get this thread back on the rails.
I really liked Lex in the trailer (come at me) and if Leo is right (he always is) then he'll make for a really interesting villain.

I hate Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, Leo is NOT always right, but I, too, think this will come out all right.

So far, Jesse is the only part of the movie I don't like.

[Foombamaroom]

Cylon, help me.
I think I'm going to throw myself off a building if I don't get a hug now.

SngYwMsxJ4U

[drgon78]

This new trailer has actually got me interested also this movie might actually have some humor in unlike the last Superman movie.

[shuriken]

Affleck's Bat-Voice is LEAGUES better than Bale's.
Better than Bale's, Clooney's, Kilmer's and West. Only Keaton and Conroy sound better IMO


I mean, if you're going to toss around the ol' Maturity Canard, it's best to actually write like you're a grown up.
OH SNAP. shots fired.

[ToTheNines]

No one will ever beat Bruce Greenwood as Batman for me.

[plastroncafe]

Better than Bale's, Clooney's, Kilmer's and West. Only Keaton and Conroy sound better IMO


I would second this!

[Leo656]

It's an interesting choice. For a while now, I assumed he would only have a "distorted" voice when he was wearing the Bat-Armor, but now it's clear that he has some kind of digital enhancement to his voice even in the regular costume, but totally different from Bale's. It's like instead of just having the actor do an odd "scary" voice, and then messing it up with distortion later but trying to hide that, so it came out all weird-sounding, they figured, "You know what? Maybe distorting his voice electronically is just something Batman could kind of do himself, on purpose?"

In some places it sounds a lot more "electronic" than I expected, but I'unno, I like it. It's good. I think he's really good as both Bruce and Batman. I already think he'll be the best we've seen so far. I had hopes before but the more I see the more I like.

As for Lex's personality, more and more people online have started independently coming to the same conclusion I have, that the squeaky voice and goofy behavior is part of his public persona, his "mask" as it were. So even if I'm not right, it at least proves I'm not crazy. :trazz: He has some dark moments described in the script and is said to be a master manipulator and all-around awful person, so I'm expecting his overall behavior to sell that.

It's for contrast. It's not the choice I'd have made necessarily but it might just help set apart this Lex Luthor as a true psychopath. Like, as in, the textbook definition of a psychopath. Pay attention to his behavior in the trailer - close attention. The very first thing he says is a lie. "I love bringing people together!" No, that's not what Lex Luthor loves. Lex Luthor hates people. Lex Luthor loves bringing people TO HIM, into his sphere of influence, so he can control and eventually own them. That's exactly what he does in this movie, to everyone he comes in contact with (I don't think I"m spoiling much here). So consider just that the very first time we're seeing Lex, we're seeing him in a lie - a lie delivered with SUCH embellishment, SUCH false bravado, that we immediately know he's full of sh*t, even if the people he's putting on the act for don't. I imagine that we'll also have scenes of counter-balance, showing Luthor expressing his disdain for having to mingle with people who are so far "beneath him". We know he has no affection for Clark Kent or Bruce Wayne (an interesting thing is, this movie treats Luthor like ALMOST as big a Batman villain as a Superman villain... like he has conflicts with both Bruce Wayne AND Batman throughout the film, which is something I like), but he goes out of his way to deliver the over-the-top greeting, anyway. It's a work.

Having the ability to hide in plain sight behind a false personality, and the ability to switch at will between appearing charming and caring, to vicious and callous, are two signs of psychotic and/or sociopathic behaviors. This Lex has been described as being more dark and complicated than other film versions, and it's very possible that's what they are referring to. Adding Lex's behavior in the trailers with what I've read of the movie paints a convincing portrait of a psychotic, as do other traits such as his narcissism and amorality.

Like I said, we've seen but a glimpse so far.

[ToTheNines]

I don't care if "public Lex" is an act or not, I still hate it. I don't think it is anyway, he's acting like a fruitcake as they wheel Zod's corpse towards him.

The red capes are coming, the red capes are coming...

[Leo656]

He's a little flamboyant, sure.

John Shea had a staring contest with a goddamn snake and he was an amazing Lex Luthor. It's all in the delivery.

As for whether it is or it isn't an act... Next time I'm wrong about this movie will, Officially, be the very first time. :tgrin: I'm sure I'll slip at some point but so far I've called everything else. So we'll see, eh? :)
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[ToTheNines]

They shoulda just got Blake from Workaholics for the role.

For real though, who else even auditioned for the part?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

After Doomsday has been confirmed as being in the movie, I really wanna go back and read the whole leaked synopsis Leo posted.

But we're in 57 or so pages' worth, I can't find my bookmarked link... well crap. Guess I'm going in a little more spoiler-free than planned. :tlol:

[Leo656]

Just an observation on a little thing that felt important. I caught how Clark specifically said to Bruce, "Most of the world doesn't share your opinion." He could have said "some", but he said "most". I find that important because there's been legit concern over how much Superman is accepted by the world in this movie, with some feeling that perhaps it was a "mostly negative" consensus. It's reassuring to know that, while there are a fair amount of people who are afraid of him, some in powerful positions like Senator Cale and Lex Luthor, that the majority of people see Superman as a hero and not a menace. There was a fair amount of evidence that it could have been the other way around.

CKD: I still have it if you want it. I saved that sh*t in three different places, I ain't stupid. :lol: It was online for like three hours or some sh*t before it vanished without a trace. That right there told me, "There's more to this than the other hundred batches of rumors." WB always publicly shot those down. They nuked the leaked plot summary without saying a word, which was inconsistent with their historical method of dealing with leaks and rumors. Sometimes silence is louder.

Same thing when one of the visual effects guys publicly said "Doomsday isn't in the movie", and then his social media account vanished like two hours later. It just felt too "Into Darkness/It's Not Khan" for my tastes. I called bullsh*t right away on that.

Anyways, I have it if you want me to send it to you. It's good buddy.

[Commenter 42]

My observation:

Batfleck is definitely the saddest Batman to date.
Look at this toy! The damned toy is pouting! What's the deal?

http://i.imgur.com/0dQ7C8q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sY4ctrA.jpg

Why so glum chum?

and here's a better look at Aquamoma

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVY-IOjVEAAYWZd.jpg

[Bry]

My observation:

Batfleck is definitely the saddest Batman to date.
Look at this toy! The damned toy is pouting! What's the deal?

http://i.imgur.com/0dQ7C8q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sY4ctrA.jpg

Why so glum chum?

Ehh, DC's mostly been on an "everyone miserable always" kick for the past 10 years, so that's not surprising.

I don't hate the costume, but... that has some seriously random seams/piping going on. To the point where it looks kind of silly. What's the purpose of diagonal seams across his legs?? I get a kinda patchwork/patched-up look for a lot of characters, but Batman is one of the few superheroes who has no excuse not to have well made/designed gear.

and here's a better look at Aquamoma

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVY-IOjVEAAYWZd.jpg

I've got a soft spot for the '90s Peter David Aquaman, so I'm feeling pretty okay about this.

https://i.imgur.com/7RI9Ozu.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My observation:

Batfleck is definitely the saddest Batman to date.
Look at this toy! The damned toy is pouting! What's the deal?

http://i.imgur.com/0dQ7C8q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sY4ctrA.jpg

Why so glum chum?

and here's a better look at Aquamoma

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVY-IOjVEAAYWZd.jpg

Dude. Show some damn respect.

His parents are DEAD!

[Commenter 42]

Dude. Show some damn respect.

His parents are DEAD!

Mine too. Where's my action figure?

[Leo656]

It would be amazing if Batman ever had to defend himself in front of a federal judge. :lol: That's literally his only justification for his behavior in the first place. I love comic books, nothing makes any f*cking sense.

[CyberCubed]

Batman should do what he's doing. The world would be a better place if every city in the world had their own Batman who foils crime, and potentially stops terrorist attacks.

[Leo656]

I'll do it. I have exactly as much authority to do it as he does. :lol:

The Batman Paradox: The circular logic that justifies a vigilante crime-fighter "stopping terrorists" through his own terrorist actions. :lol: It's beautiful.

To be clear, the only thing I love more than Batman (besides Superman), is tearing huge holes in the entire logic of Batman. :lol: When you break it down, the eeeeentiiiiiiire thing that "elevates" him over the people he beats up isn't even that he's "Good" and they're "Evil", or they're crazy and he's not... it's all entirely because he's rich! :lol: That's all that makes him "The Good Guy" of the story. Otherwise he's as goofy and screwed-up as they are. :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

The difference is Batman does not kill, nor does he cause crime. He is reactionary, he doesn't do things first.

Filthy criminals with the intent to murder and steal deserve to have their faces smashed into the pavement and beaten into a bloody pulp. It should teach them a lesson to never do what they're doing again. If this was the real world those criminals also wouldn't heal so fast and get out of jail time and time again like in the DC universe.

Batman is a protector, a guardian.

[Leo656]

He is by intent, sure, but for one thing, Batman absolutely causes crime, and lots of it. For one thing, 99% of his villains were just "normal" criminals until he somehow inadvertantly turned them into disfigured and/or gimmicky lunatics who will stop at nothing to take their revenge on Batman specifically and society in general. And secondly, Batman "causes crime" in a more direct way by way of literally everything he does being completely illegal. :lol: Were it not for the convenient plot device of a police commissioner who looks the other way and implicitly condones and assists his actions, someone like Batman would be in Blackgate with the rest of them, for a million different reasons.

Beyond that, while "officially" Batman never kills people, he's occasionally let people he could have saved die, which isn't much different just because they were "bad guys", and he's had to be talked down from killing people many times, by everyone from Superman to Robin to Nightwing to Commissioner Gordon and I'm probably missing a few. He's not particularly likely to kill anyone, and has been outspokenly against it, but it's also never been solidified that he never, ever would.

They've also had him explain, in-story, that if he ever let himself "go there", he'd probably just start killing all the bad guys. :lol: Way to set an example, Bruce. "I don't kill people... not because I have a huge problem with it, but because I'm literally Patrick Bateman under this mask. I just keep a super-tight lid on it." :lol: That's f*cking reassuring, Batman. :trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

I'll do it. I have exactly as much authority to do it as he does. :lol:

The Batman Paradox: The circular logic that justifies a vigilante crime-fighter "stopping terrorists" through his own terrorist actions. :lol: It's beautiful.

To be clear, the only thing I love more than Batman (besides Superman), is tearing huge holes in the entire logic of Batman. :lol: When you break it down, the eeeeentiiiiiiire thing that "elevates" him over the people he beats up isn't even that he's "Good" and they're "Evil", or they're crazy and he's not... it's all entirely because he's rich! :lol: That's all that makes him "The Good Guy" of the story. Otherwise he's as goofy and screwed-up as they are. :trazz:

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4347044.jpg

[Commenter 42]

Batman IS a Terrorist. It's pretty simple. Both he and Superman could be seen as fascists, but my head cannon keeps me from thinking of Superman in those terms, Batman not so much. He is almost the definition of terrorism.

[Leo656]

I guess the distinction between the two becomes, Superman, while powerful enough to do whatever he wants still follows his own self-imposed set of limitations, while Batman feels his own will is absolute, on account of "I know better than everyone" and that he's answerable to nobody.

Superman's eternal answer when he's asked why he doesn't fix "The Big Problems" has always been, "I don't have that right, I'm not God. I'm here to help, not fix every single thing." Batman, on the other hand, is all about, "I can do whatever I want, because I'm Batman."

Think about it: Guy builds a giant satellite that can spy on anyone on Earth from space and turns people into super-powered killer robots, that eventually run amok and cause a huge global disaster. Someone like Luthor does that, they're an unspeakable villain and they're locked up forever, or kicked off of Earth to some prison planet a'la "Salvation Run". Batman does it? "I HAD REASONS, DAMMIT! I'M THE GODDAMN BATMAN!" :lol: He even gets to be in the JLA again, like, immediately! :lol: "It's okay, Batman... your stupid spy satellite turned into f*cking Skynet and almost wiped out all life on Earth, but your heart was in the right place! You had every good reason for designing an AI program that could create cyborgs to murder all of your friends and anyone else in a hundred different ways!" :lol: He just f*cking stares at everyone really hard and all's forgiven. Whaaaaaaaaaaat?!?!

F*ckin' Batman. :lol:

[ToTheNines]

You guys are gonna make cubed cry if you don't ease off ol' Batman.

[MikeandRaph87]

Batman IS a Terrorist. It's pretty simple. Both he and Superman could be seen as fascists, but my head cannon keeps me from think of Superman in those terms, Batman not so much. He is almost the definition of terrorism.

He walks a thin line, but is deputized by the GCPD. Now, the Justice Lords are perfect examples of terrorist and their comic book counterparts, the Crime Syndicate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Lords

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, Batman... all this crazy, but do you ever stop to wonder if Thomas and Martha would be proud of you?

[CyberCubed]

Batman IS a Terrorist.

How on earth is Batman a terrorist? Do you even know the meaning of the word? A terrorist is someone who targets innocent people (usually a certain group of people belonging to a nation or religion) and kills them for some kind of goal, either money or religious reasons.

Does Batman go out there and purposely try to kill people? Is he purposely looking to start something? Does Batman EVER want to see innocent people die?

Of course not. Batman is a goddamn savior. Its honestly offensive to say Batman is a terrorist, especially with what's going on in the real world right now with terrorist attacks still happening to this very day.

[JTH]

How on earth is Batman a terrorist? Do you even know the meaning of the word? A terrorist is someone who targets innocent people (usually a certain group of people belonging to a nation or religion) and kills them for some kind of goal, either money or religious reasons.

Does Batman go out there and purposely try to kill people? Is he purposely looking to start something? Does Batman EVER want to see innocent people die?

Of course not. Batman is a goddamn savior. Its honestly offensive to say Batman is a terrorist, especially with what's going on in the real world right now with terrorist attacks still happening to this very day.
Dude...what? Completely wrong.

A terrorist is a person that does things with the purpose to invoke terror on people...

You seem to have a very narrow mindset on the meaning of the word yourself.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Except that he uses the same tactics to SPREAD TERROR among the bad guys, and he explicitly uses his mask and persona to scare the sh*t out of them, for the express purpose of stopping them from doing the exact same thing HE is doing! There is a REASON they fear HIM more than the GCPD. They never know for SURE if or when he's going to snap and actually kill them. Or just, y'know, "fail" to "save" them from some impending demise. Because he just MIGHT do that. And they know it. So, yeah, he's absolutely a terrorist, who just happens to target OTHER terrorists!

[Commenter 42]

Dude...what? Completely wrong.

A terrorist is a person that does things with the purpose to invoke terror on people...


Not really. A terrorist isn't a real thing - it's a label placed on societal dissidents who have perpetrated something in the name of a "cause". (Not sympathizing, just illuminating).

You can be an eco-terrorist without hurting innocent people. You can be a cyber terrorist, attacking corporations.

CNN decided to push the message that terrorism is narrowly defined, not me.
I'm not the one with a narrow view of the word, lol.

Batman IS a terrorist. He imposes his personal brand of ideology on the world. He plays God all the time.

If not looking to terrorize people, why the bat costume? It's a symbol yes? strike fear into the hears of criminals, right?

What's worse than that, is he's only able to brandish his personal brand of justice, because he's a capitalist of untold wealth. He has all the money ever, but decides to beat up the working class , many of whom might have had better lives if not for the stranglehold Wayne enterprises/Industries has on the economy.

So his parents were shot - his parents were the aristocratic elite.

If Trump and Melania were gunned down in the street tomorrow, should Ivanka go and seek revenge dressed as a fairy princess in Brownsville? how many people would actually sympathize, given Trumps rhetoric in the media? Personally, I think the guy's having a laugh with the whole presidential thing, just saying everything the base wants to hear, but that's another story). I'm saying if you're that rich, the vast majority won't really be sympathetic to any tragedies you encounter.

Think about it. Batman is REALLY the enemy.

This is Why I'll always be a Superman/Spider-man fan. They're isn't an abuse of power. It's the "goodness in them, if at times they can be a little selfish, Superman for the most part is benevolence personified.

[sdp]

vigilante =/= terrorist

vigilante ≈ superhero

[CyberCubed]

Batman is supposed to invoke fear on his criminals, but he doesn't purposely terrorize them beyond that. That and NONE of the supervillains are afraid of Batman anyway!

You really think Joker, Penguin, Two Face, Riddler, Scarecrow, Bane, Catwoman, etc... fear Batman? LOL, of course not. They talk him down right to his face and laugh at him when they sick their thugs on him or try to take him down themselves.

[Leo656]

"Terrorist" or not Batman's still kind of a lunatic. He's not the most heroic of heroes.

Consider, again: Brother Eye. Batman's personal Skynet Satellite almost caused the End Of The World, because Batman's a paranoid nitwit who doesn't believe in "overkill" as long as he's the one doing it. If he's not a terrorist, he's STILL a goddamn criminal! :lol: Like the "Tower Of Babel" story wasn't enough, where all his fail-safe plans almost got the JLA killed, but even AFTER that happened, and they kicked him out of the JLA for it, he went ahead and pulled the sh*t with Brother Eye anyway! "Hm. My contingency plans for how to kill the JLA fell into a super-villain's hands and, in fact, almost killed the JLA. A-HA! I'll do the same exact thing, again, but about a million times bigger! That way it HAS to be a good idea, the sheer sense of scale makes it Too Big To Fail! I mean it's not like there are any super-villains out there who can hack a satellite like that and take it over and cause mass destruction or anything. That only happens once in a while. It's probably fine. It'll keep the world safe, having a giant orb in the sky spying on everyone 24/7 with the ability to create killer cyborgs at a moment's notice! It's a good idea because I'M BATMAN!" :lol: It's like the guy never learns anything! Also: No, Batman and his giant Brother Eye satellite are in NO way fascistic at all. :trazz: I have no idea why some people think Batman might be something of a fascist or an asshole. I mean, what's wrong with spying on the WHOLE WORLD in order to keep them "safe" from the .0001% of them who are dangerous super-villains, right? :lol: This f*ckin' guy.

I love Batman, I really do, but the fact that deep down he's more motivated by revenge than anything purely altruistic, and as 42 points out, he really does think he's God, has always put him a solid #2 behind Superman, to me. I mean yes, he's heroic, ultimately, but he's also a gigantic asshole at best and kind of a bad person at worst.

I mean think about it. The very idea that they are friends speaks infinitely to Clark's character. He more than anyone would know how completely full of it Bruce is, since he could put him in his place any time he wanted to, but while most of the rest of the DCU go out of their way to avoid Batman until they need him for something on account of he's impossible to be around, he's Clark's best friend. :lol: Think about that. Superman likes Batman. Even Robin barely likes Batman! They'll be at JLA Headquarters, and Batman will be alienating everyone as usual with his, "This is how we're doing things because I'm BATMAN and I'm better than all of you," and everyone else is all pissed off and fed up, and Clark's just all, "Oh, you. Have a Snickers, Bruce." :trazz: Talk about the super-power of infinite f*cking patience and restraint, and always seeing the best in people, to be best friends on PURPOSE with the goddamn Batman.

It's part of what makes them fun together. :tgrin: I don't think even Bruce knows why Clark likes him so much; it seems to make him very uncomfortable at times. :lol: I'm very interested in seeing their relationship develop in the film, especially since I really like Cavill's chemistry with Affleck. Ultimately that could have made the movie or ruined it, if the two guys in the roles didn't sell it. Luckily they seem to play off each other quite well. Even if everything else was the same, if it was two stiffs trying to sell it there's no way it would work.

I'm so glad they didn't pull off that sh*tty Superman/Batman movie they tried to do back in 2002 or whenever it was. The one where they were gonna fight because the Joker killed Bruce's fiance' and Batman snapped and went on a mission to kill Joker and Superman had to stop him, and it turned out Lex was behind it all because he knew Joker killing Whatsername would make Batman and Superman fight to the death. That sh*t was awful, we really dodged a bullet. Not only was it corny but in that script Batman comes off as about a hundred times more of an asshole than usual, to the point where I'm not sure how or why anyone would be expected to root for him over Superman, considering that in that story, Superman is only guilty of keeping his best friend from becoming a murderer, and Batman's entirely willing to kill Superman to get to Joker so he can kill him too. The script attempted to get Batman fans to WANT to see him murder someone, and not in a "Had no other choice/life or death situation" way, but in a "Hunt Joker down and execute him" way. I can't even BEGIN to get into everything that's wrong with that.

Would'a been a piece of sh*t, thank God WB didn't want to spend any money on it.

[Slade]

Cubed is gonna flip his top, I'm loving this. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

Bruce Wayne is the comic book equivalent of Donald Trump.
#Fact.

[plastroncafe]

Um. No.
Not only did Trump run several of his companies into the ground, but he also has political ambition, which Wayne most decidedly does not. Can you imagine Bruce Wayne starring in a reality television show?

If Wayne has an equivalent in our world, it's Paris Hilton.

But...I will say that I agree with the notion of Batman being a terrorist, in traditional meaning of the word.
(Though, given that he's a white man in America, chances are good no one would be able to get that label to stick.)

[ToTheNines]

Was the Hilton thing a joke? Because she does reality tv too.

And was the white man thing a joke too? Because Timothy McVey is probably one of the first things I think of when I hear the word "terrorist".

[plastroncafe]

Neither were jokes.
Hilton's foray into reality television was to highlight how out of touch she was with the world. Something I could see Wayne getting into in order to play up his own ditz factor.

Trump had The Apprentice, an attempt to show the world how much of a hardass he is. Not something Wayne would do.

I'd say he'd do a stint on Big Brother, save for the fact that it would cut into his "nightlife."

No, Wayne isn't the kind of rich guy ass that Trump is. He's Bill Gates with Hilton's Social Life.

[Commenter 42]

I know, if Trump has any sort of parallel, it's Luthor. I know!

Wayne comes from old money. Clearly he'd be a Rockefeller. Good people the Rockefellers.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family

[JakeSully]

Anyone glad this movie has a better writer than Goyer being the guy who wrote the excellent screenplay to Argo?

[shuriken]

^^ Really? NEAT
I know, if Trump has any sort of parallel, it's Luthor. I know!

Wayne comes from old money. Clearly he'd be a Rockefeller. Good people the Rockefellers.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family

That actually makes a lot of sense. Although I don't think Luthor would alienate as many of his potential constituents with half of the asinine things he says. You know what would be nuts is if Paris Hilton was legitimately a vigilante crimefighter...

[ToTheNines]

Neither were jokes.
Hilton's foray into reality television was to highlight how out of touch she was with the world. Something I could see Wayne getting into in order to play up his own ditz factor.

Trump had The Apprentice, an attempt to show the world how much of a hardass he is. Not something Wayne would do.

I'd say he'd do a stint on Big Brother, save for the fact that it would cut into his "nightlife."

No, Wayne isn't the kind of rich guy ass that Trump is. He's Bill Gates with Hilton's Social Life.

I could totally see him on an episode of Millionaire Matchmaker lol.

[CyberCubed]

Bruce Wayne's playboy persona is just a front for the cameras so nobody suspects he's Batman.

Bruce Wayne is a genius. The official DC bio lists him with an extremely high IQ, he's studied every martial arts known to man, he's fluent in dozens of languages, he's a mathematician, a scientist, a thinker, and a philosopher. He is practically a prodigy.

He's the goddamn Batman. He's the pinnacle of human achievement. Every man wishes they were him. There's a reason he's the most popular superhero of all time, above Superman and any of the Marvel heroes. People have good tastes.

[JTH]

Bruce Wayne's playboy persona is just a front for the cameras so nobody suspects he's Batman.

Bruce Wayne is a genius. The official DC bio lists him with an extremely high IQ, he's studied every martial arts known to man, he's fluent in dozens of languages, he's a mathematician, a scientist, a thinker, and a philosopher. He is practically a prodigy.

He's the goddamn Batman. He's the pinnacle of human achievement. Every man wishes they were him. There's a reason he's the most popular superhero of all time, above Superman and any of the Marvel heroes. People have good tastes.
To be the most popular superhero, you actually have to be a superhero...

Do you think Chuck Norris is a superhero too?

[Leo656]

Truth is, Batman's the most popular because most people suffer from arrested development.

Superman = Leading by example, the ideal everyone is supposed to work towards.

Batman = Lashing out at the world, and all of life's problems can be solved by hitting things or enforcing your will on other people.

Batman's the super-hero we wish we were when we were 10. Superman's the one we're supposed to idealize once we grow up and realize you can't punch the world into being the way you want it to be.

Most people forever stay angry and bitter that life somehow mistreated them, thus, Batman stays their role model. And that says a lot about the world. Nothing good, but it does say a lot. We don't want a role model who shows us how to be better people, we want the one who shows us that all we have to do to be "heroic" is be really angry all the time.

See also: Wolverine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Truth is, Batman's the most popular because most people suffer from arrested development.

Superman = Leading by example, the ideal everyone is supposed to work towards.

Batman = Lashing out at the world, and all of life's problems can be solved by hitting things or enforcing your will on other people.

Batman's the super-hero we wish we were when we were 10. Superman's the one we're supposed to idealize once we grow up and realize you can't punch the world into being the way you want it to be.

Most people forever stay angry and bitter that life somehow mistreated them, thus, Batman stays their role model. And that says a lot about the world. Nothing good, but it does say a lot. We don't want a role model who shows us how to be better people, we want the one who shows us that all we have to do to be "heroic" is be really angry all the time.

See also: Wolverine.

Ouch. OUCH. That's quite damning. Also quite hard to refute.

I'd like to think a good part of Batman's popularity is due to the fact that he has no superpowers. Same as Tony Stark or Oliver Queen.

[Leo656]

He does have a super-power: All The Money In The World. Take that away, there's no Batman. Actually all three that you mentioned have that.

[JTH]

He does have a super-power: All The Money In The World. Take that away, there's no Batman. Actually all three that you mentioned have that.
As a fellow wrestling fan, Leo knows this.

Who is considered wrestling's most popular "good guy"? "Stone Cold" Steve Austin.

A person that cares nothing about anyone but himself, hates morals, and beats the crap out of people just because he enjoys it, and we're told to consider him a role model and who to aspire to be. Really?

Coming years after Hulk Hogan, who was the Superman of wrestling, who was all about morals and fighting for what was right. And people grew tired of that and hated that kind of hero. Just like Superman.

Yes, that's what we are and have become as a people.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Some really DEEP sh*t up in here. Deep in the intellectual sense, mind you. I like it! And yeah, I agree with Leo and JTH here. To me, Batman's always been incredibly- batty. Pun DEFINITELY intended. He's off his rocker, and we're expected to identify with and aspire to this?! :teek: I'd rather aspire to the moral ideals of Supes, Boy Scout though he may be. Batman's fun for a while, but only for his villain roster. And his think with Cat Woman. Because he obviously has a thing for bad girls. But then, she at least is mentally screwed in properly. He's got some screws VERY loose.... :trazz:

[Leo656]

I found an interesting article on Superman Homepage with one of the costume people. http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=17328

He finally explains exactly what the Kryptonian script that's on Superman's costume says. It's hard to see, but it's written across the center line of the S shield and a few places on the arms. It translates as, "Where We Thought To Stand Alone, We Will Be With All The World." That's neat.

[CyberCubed]

This is how criminals react when seeing Batman:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif

[Leo656]

Way to contribute, Cubed. :lol: Here's how I react when I read most of your posts. :trazz:
https://whatistheexcel.com/wooobooru/_images/d7a464d9f72f0eda7828b4bbb8881104/7655%20-%20autoplay_gif%20gif%20kevin_nash%20wcw.gif

[CyberCubed]

BTW who is adding all those tags to this thread? Do I really need 3 different tags in the same thread? :roll:

[Leo656]

I assume it's either Jason Todd or Hush, since it always f*cking is.

[MikeandRaph87]

I assume it's either Jason Todd or Hush, since it always f*cking is.

Wait...I thought it was Lex Luthor. He is behind 90% of everything Superman related, DC wide, or CyberCubed.

I hope there is a surprise or two and we don't know everything already through the latest trailer and other wide release news bits.

[Leo656]

The movie's most likely 2.5 hours and you've seen 3 minutes. You're fine. :trazz:

[shuriken]

Those tags just sorta made my night:lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i59/2/12/7/frabz-Leo656-and-CyberCubed-The-Technodromes-Skipper-and-Gilligan-71fc55.jpg

[Leo656]

:lol: Oh, God, you're right. :lol:

I hope Cubed wears a hat so that I may strike him with it. Otherwise the closest thing in reach is the remote. :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

This is how criminals react when seeing Batman:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif

But he's not a terrorist...

Batman is the end-all, be-all Mary Sue.

[Commenter 42]

Bruce Wayne's playboy persona is just a front for the cameras so nobody suspects he's Batman.

If I had a dollar for every time some one suspected I was Batman...



Bruce Wayne is a genius. The official DC bio lists him with an extremely high IQ, he's studied every martial arts known to man, he's fluent in dozens of languages, he's a mathematician, a scientist, a thinker, and a philosopher. He is practically a prodigy.

All work an no play makes Bats undeniably certifiable. Sounds like a Psycho. [/QUOTE]



He's the goddamn Batman. He's the pinnacle of human achievement. Every man wishes they were him. There's a reason he's the most popular superhero of all time, above Superman and any of the Marvel heroes. People have good tastes.

Indoctrination is a marvel of human ingenuity.

[Slade]

I think this is for Cubed...


http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac134/kaleltheking/55C60A86-2C51-4AD6-AB71-E87003386F88.jpg (http://s893.photobucket.com/user/kaleltheking/media/55C60A86-2C51-4AD6-AB71-E87003386F88.jpg.html)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This is how criminals react when seeing superheroes with superpowers:

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/nvrmnd.gif

Fixed it for ya!

[Commenter 42]

Maybe this is old news to y'all, but I didn't see the preamble. Kimmel is usually funnier than this. Affleck looks like he's really bloated...is he going Brando on us?

pMqHUeZsmug

[discordiatookie]

Maybe this is old news to y'all, but I didn't see the preamble. Kimmel is usually funnier than this. Affleck looks like he's really bloated...is he going Brando on us?

pMqHUeZsmug

In what f**king world is that bloated??

[Commenter 42]

In what f**king world is that bloated??

In the world of Ben Affleck? Ben Affleck is looking bloated lately...for Ben Affleck.

I didn't say fat...I said bloated. Retaining water...F*cking bloated.

EDIT:

I was f*cking right. He's had surgery! I could tell something was different.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/ben-affleck-plastic-surgery-botox/

[CyberCubed]

Ugh, he really changed his face. He doesn't even look like the same person anymore. I wonder how this will affect sequels when Bruce Wayne in the next film looks completely different than this one.

Plastic surgery in Hollywood is disturbing. So many of these actors look so much better before they go under the knife.

[Leo656]

Not all of us can age this gracefully.

[Commenter 42]

Dude looks like a f*cking muppet.

[plastroncafe]

Poor guy. It's a shame he chose to fight against his own silverfoxhood.

[Commenter 42]

Poor guy. It's a shame he chose to fight against his own silverfoxhood.

I wanna feel bad for him, but, this dudes ego is off the charts...
I gotta be honest, I didn't expect him, of all people, to do this. He read's like the sort that would be "above" plastic surgery, and mock anyone vain enough to go under the knife.

Oh well, he's all sorts of MJ now.

[CyberCubed]

He's hideous now. Its sad this guy is still going to be Batman in the upcoming Justice League and Batman solo movies. Hopefully we see very little Bruce Wayne and more of him in the costume because he looks like a mannequin now.

Why did he do this? Couldn't he wait till his DC role playing Batman was finished? I don't want to watch an ugly Bruce Wayne in DC films for the next decade.

[Commenter 42]

OMG....

Batfleck is now Plas-fleck. no? Manni-fleck.

Well, he's definitely Cubeds' new nostrils.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

OMG....

Batfleck is now Plas-fleck. no? Manni-fleck.

Well, he's definitely Cubeds' new nostrils.

Well, at least the TMNT are off that particular hook! :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

Have we ever seen Alfred in this movie yet? I just realized I don't think I know who is playing him or if we've seen him yet. Anyone have a pic?

[Leo656]

Yes, Jeremy Irons is Alfred and we've seen and heard a bunch already.

[shuriken]

Damn let the dude do what he sees fit with his face geez.
And yeah he looks kinda bloated, but it tends to go down after a while (like with breat implants or calogen injections). Not a fan personally but ya know such is life.
At least he hasn't gone full out Mickey Rourke. YET

[CyberCubed]

Problem is now he looks younger than he does in the movie. I don't know why he changed his face, he was actually aging rather well for a guy that's almost 50.

[Commenter 42]

At least he hasn't gone full out Mickey Rourke. YET

But he's so close. I think if he dug a little deeper...really gave it his all...
You know, he might be better suited for another role now...

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/braveandbold/images/1/15/Plasticman.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131106173057

[sdp]

Normally I'd say that Cybercubed is overreacting but I agree with him, he looks different enough and not Batman enough. And now we're stuck with a guy who doesn't look a lot like Batman. At least based on the pictures we'd have to actually wait to see if he doesn't look that bad in his next portrayal of Batman but I'll be pretty pissed if he messed the look up.

[MikeandRaph87]

Too many Cubed tags.
https://i.imgflip.com/vmuc8.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/vmuc8)

His Cubism is harmless enough.

[MikeandRaph87]

It seems that Will Smith's Deadshot will appear not just in Suicide Squad, but in the potential solo Batman film as well. Instead of being a featured villain he is supposed to be in an uneasy alliance with Batman.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/smith-deadshot-suicide-squad-join-forces-ben-affleck-135955087.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It seems that Will Smith's Deadshot will appear not just in Suicide Squad, but in the potential solo Batman film as well. Instead of being a featured villain he is supposed to be in an uneasy alliance with Batman.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/smith-deadshot-suicide-squad-join-forces-ben-affleck-135955087.html

I don't like that. I want Under the Red Hood to be the first Batman solo movie. Keep Deadshot out of it; he'll take too much time from Jason Todd and Joker.

[Leo656]

Tsk tsk. Did we learn nothing, CKD? Haven't we already learned that you can have someone in a movie as a cameo, even an important one, without "cramming" it or breaking the larger story? Did I not just conclusively prove that to you not that long ago? :lol: C'mon now, don't go slipping back into paranoia. :trazz: We've come so far so fast.

I kind of never cared about Deadshot but they're paying for Fresh Prince and they wanna get some mileage out of that. A'ight. Makes sense. He can be in other movies if they want.

Also: I'unno if you've noticed, but no comic book movie has had Just One Villain for the last 100 years and they never will again. So, y'know. :trazz: Even if Jason and the Joker really are the Main Villains in the Batman movie, that leaves plenty for someone like Deadshot to do. But frankly, I think their Big Plan is to use Suicide Squad, and a cameo in the Batman movie, as an excuse to do a solo Deadpool spin-off. And if you think that's not the plan, you're nuts, because it's Will Smith so OF COURSE that's their plan.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Tsk tsk. Did we learn nothing, CKD? Haven't we already learned that you can have someone in a movie as a cameo, even an important one, without "cramming" it or breaking the larger story? Did I not just conclusively prove that to you not that long ago? :lol: C'mon now, don't go slipping back into paranoia. :trazz: We've come so far so fast.

I kind of never cared about Deadshot but they're paying for Fresh Prince and they wanna get some mileage out of that. A'ight. Makes sense. He can be in other movies if they want.

Also: I'unno if you've noticed, but no comic book movie has had Just One Villain for the last 100 years and they never will again. So, y'know. :trazz: Even if Jason and the Joker really are the Main Villains in the Batman movie, that leaves plenty for someone like Deadshot to do. But frankly, I think their Big Plan is to use Suicide Squad, and a cameo in the Batman movie, as an excuse to do a solo Deadpool spin-off. And if you think that's not the plan, you're nuts, because it's Will Smith so OF COURSE that's their plan.

You're right, I panicked. I just get nervous whenever Will Smith comes around. That man doesn't do "cameos", he does full-fledged roles 'cause paychecks.

Thinking about it, having Deadshot hired by Black Mask to take out Red Hood before ol' Roman finally resorts to breaking Joker out of Arkham would be pretty cool. But still... I love Will Smith as an actor, but he doesn't do chump change appearance as far as I've ever seen.

[Leo656]

It might not be a 5-minute cameo but if he's in it it will be in service to the larger story. UNLESS the story about wanting to use Jason as the main villain was BS. Which is possible. BUT, DC/WB is trying to create a ton of brand synergy, and since the Arkham Knight game did okay they want to spread Jason around a bit. So I think it's true that he'll be the Main Villain but Deadshot will have aside role.

I personally care nothing for Will Smith, but he means butts in seats and everyone loves him, so whatever, fine with me.

[sdp]

I like Jason Todd a lot but lets be realistic; unless completely butchered/changed the complicated history of Jason Todd is not going to come across very well in movie format.

[MikeandRaph87]

You're right, I panicked. I just get nervous whenever Will Smith comes around. That man doesn't do "cameos", he does full-fledged roles 'cause paychecks.

Thinking about it, having Deadshot hired by Black Mask to take out Red Hood before ol' Roman finally resorts to breaking Joker out of Arkham would be pretty cool. But still... I love Will Smith as an actor, but he doesn't do chump change appearance as far as I've ever seen.

Actually he did do one chump appearance despite that reputation. He appeared as the head of ESPN bradcast team in Anchorman 2. One scene and amongst a slew of others who shared the screen for only 6 minutes of time.

Why does the film have to be aboutvJason Freaking Todd? He may be Batmsn's greatest failure, but he is also a repeated failure as a character. His few fans have Under The Hood direct to DVD film Isn't that enough? Black Mask would be fine. Hush. Clayface. Another round of The Riddler. Come on!

[Leo656]

You only have to hit the main beats. Troubled youth, got to be Robin for 5 minutes, Joker killed him, now he's back and he's killing everyone because despite Batman's best efforts he was always kind of a bad person to begin with.

A few carefully placed, dramatically-shot flashbacks and a little Bruce-Alfred exposition and you get everyone up to speed in ten minutes.

MikeandRaph: His stuff sells right now, it's all marketing synergy. I hate Jason but I have to admit that's not the worst story they could do for the next movie. The worst thing they could do would probably be a straight retelling of the origin again, or "just" another Batman/Joker movie. At least adding Jason to the mix creates something movie audiences haven't seen before.

Plus, I like that not only are they NOT afraid to reference Robin, but they're also fine with using MULTIPLE Robins (if the Nightwing rumors turn out to be true). After everyone who touched the franchise in film for the last 30 years said, "You can't do Robin, it'd be awful," I give them credit for balls just for going all-in on it in the first place.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why does the film have to be about Jason Freaking Todd? He may be Batmsn's greatest failure, but he is also a repeated failure as a character. His few fans have Under The Hood direct to DVD film Isn't that enough? Black Mask would be fine. Hush. Clayface. Another round of The Riddler. Come on!

Would you rather Dick Grayson be the only Robin in this film universe? 'Cause if that's the case, then Dick is DEAD. Having Jason as Red Hood means the entire history of Robin is on the table and viable for adaptation, which means more material for great movies.

That also means you and I could get a Nightwing movie, focused on Dick Grayson, his history as Robin and Nightwing, and some Babs action besides.

Trust me... for all your apathy towards Todd, he's the key to unlocking some potential to make both of us happy. Otherwise, all we end up with is dead Dick Grayson. Or worse, Frank Miller Dick Grayson. :teek:

I like Jason Todd a lot but lets be realistic; unless completely butchered/changed the complicated history of Jason Todd is not going to come across very well in movie format.

Under the Red Hood condenses his history very nicely, hitting all important notes and leaving out the others.

[Leo656]

Or worse, Frank Miller Dick Grayson. :teek:

We don't bring that up 'round these parts, ya heard?

You best run, squirrel. :flaming:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

We don't bring that up 'round these parts, ya heard?

You best run, squirrel. :flaming:

If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. We must make sure everyone knows the crimes of Miller, so that they may NEVER be repeated.

[MikeandRaph87]

I will say this, if Jason Todd is featured in a Batman movie I am not seeing it.
I had written off all the dead Robin stuff as fan theories and rumors. That being said I do prefer Mr. Grayson as the only Robin, but not nmdead. As Nightwing? I have other preferences of course and the poor treatment and directions taken with him when he goes by the code name. I have wanted to see him evet sonce Batman & Robin and if this is the only way...

Also to see the Dick/ Barbara pairring you are right.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I will say this, if Jason Todd is featured in a Batman movie I am not seeing it.
I had written off all the dead Robin stuff as fan theories and rumors. That being said I do prefer Mr. Grayson as the only Robin, but not nmdead. As Nightwing? I have other preferences of course and the poor treatment and directions taken with him when he goes by the code name. I have wanted to see him evet sonce Batman & Robin and if this is the only way...

Also to see the Dick/ Barbara pairring you are right.

Have you seen the BvS trailers? There's a Robin memorial suit defaced by Joker in the Batcave.

Joker killed A Robin, which one do you want it to be? :trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

If we do not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it. We must make sure everyone knows the crimes of Miller, so that they may NEVER be repeated.

Despite the joke of Strikes Again and what he did to Dick 'Robin' Grayson thamey commissioned him to oversee the joke title All-Star Batman & Robin. Despite the horribleness of it we get a third Daek Knight book and a fourth .ini after that. Now he wants to give Superman The Dark Knight treatment and make Bruce Wayne the villian of still another mini. Its like a musician who has one to two hits, but keeos making music that unnerves people more than celebrate it.

[CyberCubed]

Since Dick would have to be Nightwing in this timeline it would be the best to see him in a good costume.

I don't care if Jason Todd comes back or not, but to not see Nightwing would be a crime. I'm talking about for sequels, not this movie.

[Leo656]

I've heard a rumor that Nightwing might get name-dropped in BvS but he's definitely not physically in it. There's a definite chance he'll be mentioned in either BvS, Suicide Squad, or both, but he's not physically going to appear in either, they're nowhere near that far along with plans for his character.

There's also rumors that Jason may be seen, or at least hinted at, in both movies. Like an Easter Egg where you may not even realize it's him until 2 or 3 movies later when it's explained that it's him once we finally get to see him. Specifically,
for some reason, a lot of people think it was the Joker who sent Bruce Wayne the "You Let Your 'Family' Die" note, but it may actually be Jason, taunting him. Which would actually make perfect sense and is what I've suspected from the beginning, as I think the Joker would be too obvious. Besides, why would Joker have a vendetta against Bruce Wayne, specifically? I really think Jason is the one behind it.

MikeandRaph, I really have to say, not seeing a Batman movie on account of Jason Todd is the very definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face. Especially when they're finally, FINALLY doing Batman movies based off the actual comics and not some director's imagination. I probably hate Jason more than you do - mostly because his character worked better dead - but I'm not going to let that stop me from seeing a perfectly good movie, or even several. I can't get behind your logic at all on that one buddy. Like CKD said, it means they'll be able to do Nightwing and maybe even Tim Drake as well. That's good! This opens doors for lots of good things. I'll "suffer" Jason to get Nightwing, gladly.

The best part of the DCEU is that nothing is off the table like it used to be. Everything was always confined to the tiny, limited scope of a director's imagination because the comic book mythology was "too big" and "too intimidating". That's no longer the case, thank God, so I say play ball and have fun with all of it. I'm ecstatic they're actually digging into the real mythology and adapting it instead of just making up their own nonsense like they always used to do. A few tweaks here and there for streamlining, of course, but trimming the fat and leaving the prime cuts doesn't hurt anything. It's still ultra-faithful thematically and in tone and that's what's important.

[Slade]

I'm fine with Jason, Dick, Tim, hell, even Damien.


Just ain't trying to see Carrie Kelly :roll:

[Turo602]

A thread about Batman v Superman and all everyone can talk about is how much they like Dick.

[Leo656]

HAH! True story. :lol:

EDIT: I was replying to Slade, but holy sh*t, it works even better now. :lol:

[Redeemer]

A thread about Batman v Superman and all everyone can talk about is how much they like Dick.

We all know how much people like dick, especially you :lol:

[Leo656]

Wow. Totes inappropes. :lol:

[Turo602]

He's right though. I'm not afraid to admit it. Dick is definitely my favorite of them all.

[MikeandRaph87]

*shakes head* People and their dirty minds...

I would be up for it all if Dick Grayson before the cinematic universe ends its run becomes Batman since Bruce is a weary veteran crime fighter. That would make it worth while. Its better than John Drake the cop.

[Leo656]

He's right though. I'm not afraid to admit it. Dick is definitely my favorite of them all.

Plus, in his convictions, he's always stood firm. And he's never been broken, though occasionally he's been bent, sometimes lightly left-leaning.

Indeed, a good Dick is hard to find.

[CyberCubed]

I wish the creators had the foresight to have his name be Richard Grayson as the standard used one, instead of Dick.

Obviously back in the 30's and 40's they didn't realize calling someone "Dick" in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's would have insult or sexual meanings. Its the same reason the original Flintstones theme song has, "We'll have a gay ol' time!" in the lyrics whereas nowadays you'll NEVER see the word "gay" in a children's theme song. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dick, Jason, Tim, Stephanie, and Damian. Those are my Robins.

Keep Carrie Kelly the heck away from my Batman stories. :tlol:

[Candy Kappa]

I wish the creators had the foresight to have his name be Richard Grayson as the standard used one, instead of Dick.

Obviously back in the 30's and 40's they didn't realize calling someone "Dick" in the 80's, 90's, and 2000's would have insult or sexual meanings. Its the same reason the original Flintstones theme song has, "We'll have a gay ol' time!" in the lyrics whereas nowadays you'll NEVER see the word "gay" in a children's theme song. :lol:

Except he is named Richard. Dick is a nickname for Richard, and dick as slang for penis have been around since 1890, so they where aware of it. But it's still a shortening of a name.

Heck, Dick also was a word for police officer, a person (much like Avarge Joe is now) a declaration and many more usages.

[Leo656]

By his logic you can't have a guy named "Peter" or "Buddy" or "Rod", either.

If I ever had a son I'd go right for the jugular and name him C*cksucker Dickballs. Just so there was no pretense about it. "You named your kid THAT? Are you some kinda lunatic?" "Yep."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

By his logic you can't have a guy named "Peter" or "Buddy" or "Rod", either.

If I ever had a son I'd go right for the jugular and name him C*cksucker Dickballs. Just so there was no pretense about it. "You named your kid THAT? Are you some kinda lunatic?" "Yep."

So basically, you're planning to wake up knifed to death one night by your eight-year-old son?

[Leo656]

I was more hoping for a "Boy Named Sue" kind of situation. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was more hoping for a "Boy Named Sue" kind of situation. :lol:

Your kid won't wait that long. Lock up the sharp objects.

[Sumac]

From trailer its hard to figure out for what tone their going for the movie.
Some moments look dark, but then their is some humor akin to Marvel movies.

Doomsday looks like generic CGI monster. Strange choice.
So far Wonder Woman looks the best.

[Shark_Blade]

I'm here for Wonder Woman. :tlove:

It's kinda silly they spoiled the whole plot in a trailer.. "Batman v Superman", but then they showed them teaming up with WW to fight Doomsday??? Marketing fail much.

[Leo656]

Sigh. Go figure.

For the 80th time: I have the entire synopsis on my hard drive and the trailers don't spoil anywhere near as much as people think. I'm not sure why people are being willfully ignorant, other than that it seems to be a recurring theme around here.

As well, the official movie summary that's been passed around for six months flat-out TELLS you that Superman and Batman team up by the end. What the f*ck.

Don't be stupid. I get that some people make "being stupid" their entire gimmick but those people shouldn't taint the air with their nonsense in the first place.

[Turo602]

I honestly don't know what else people were expecting. I thought it was pretty obvious that Batman and Superman fight, team up, and get help from Wonder Woman to take down the big bad. Not only does the official synopsis say that stuff, the title of the film pretty much tells you what to expect. Not really much of a spoiler, just how these superhero battles usually go.

[Leo656]

I know, right?

You know, when I saw "Ernest Saves Christmas", I was shocked that he did, indeed, save Christmas as advertised. I was so furious that they gave away the entire movie in the title that I demanded my money back from Jim Varney personally, right before he died in that helicopter crash on the 4th of July. But that's a whole other story.

But yeah, how dare anything follow a logical order of events to their natural conclusions. That's so awful when that happens.

[JakeSully]

Anyone glad the "No jokes policy" was bullsheet?

[Leo656]

Stop it.

German ticket website CineStar is taking advance ticket orders for BvS already. They have the film listed as running 151 minutes, or about 2.5 hours. Which confirms what I guesstimated about 6-8 months ago.

I should go for broke. "Wonder Woman has an extended topless scene!" There, now that I put it out there it's absolutely going to happen, like everything else I've said. Nice. :tcool:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Stop it.

German ticket website CineStar is taking advance ticket orders for BvS already. They have the film listed as running 151 minutes, or about 2.5 hours. Which confirms what I guesstimated about 6-8 months ago.

I should go for broke. "Wonder Woman has an extended topless scene!" There, now that I put it out there it's absolutely going to happen, like everything else I've said. Nice. :tcool:

Now you're REALLY raising people's hopes for the movie. :trazz:

[Leo656]

Eh, it's Gal Gadot, they'd have to add her cans with CGI anyway. :trazz: KIDDING! Kidding. Kind of. :trazz: