Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[TigerClaw]

Warner Bros has officially announced today that, They are pushing back the release date of the Man of Steel sequel, from July 17, 2015, to May 6 2016.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/18/batman-vs-superman-release-pushed-10-months-to-may-2016
Warner Bros. announced today that they have pushed the release date of the Batman vs. Superman movie, aka Man of Steel sequel, a whopping 10 months from July 17, 2015 until May 6, 2016 to allow "the filmmakers time to realize fully their vision, given the complex visual nature of the story."

[CyberCubed]

That's 3 full years from now, I don't even know if I'll still care about the movie by then.

And waiting 4 years between Superman movies, and even more for Batman solo films again? This is just plain stupid.

If they at least had a Batman solo movie inbetween this it wouldn't be so bad. Won't Affleck be too old by the time this movie hits?

[NinjaPug]

Yeah the extra wait sucks but it's not as bad as what you listed.

That's not even 2.5 years from now. Not a full 3.

It'll be less than 3 years between movies. Not 4.

Affleck will be 3 months older than he would've been when they film this. Filming only got pushed back a quarter.

The original release date felt too rushed. Also interesting that they put it on a date that Marvel already scheduled an unannounced movie. I don't think Dr. Strange or Black Panther or whatever they're planning will stick to that date.

[Cure]

Good. Now they can take their time instead of rushing it out, which is what they were doing.

[Jester]

Good. Now they can take their time instead of rushing it out, which is what they were doing.
I agree with this guy more and more everyday....

[chrisdude]

Dag. They're already filming. But, if that's what it takes, cool. Pretty much everyone agrees they were pushing it too fast.

[CyberCubed]

They pretty much killed all hype and enthusiasm for this movie. Releasing in 2015 alongside Avengers 2 would have been epic.

By 2016 the superhero movie market could burst and it just isn't exciting. Most of us will be in our 30's by then and will we even care?

Thinking of the year 2016 makes me sick to my stomach, I can't even predict how different my life could be by then.

[Cure]

30 year olds don't care about movies. Gotcha.

[Shark_Blade]

No need to rush, take the time needed. :cool:

[Peanut]

Also, there are only people in the world roughly CyberCubed's age.

[Roseangelo]

That's 3 full years from now

Did math change and no one told me?

[chrisdude]

I remember thinking, when I found out there were building up to The Avengers, "Geez! X-Men, Batman, Spider-Man, Superman - It's been non-stop superhero movies for ten years! Who's even going to care by 2012?"

Also, let's not forget both Iron Man and Thor made more than ever after The Avengers.

[CyberCubed]

It's odd that DC did not plan ahead and have a Batman film in this gap.

Didn't the last Batman film come out in 2012? It'll have been 4 years.

[Jester]

I'd have been almost 30 in mid July of 2014, but now that it's pushed back to May of the next year...crap. Now I won't care about this film.

BUT....I can be thankful. Liebesman's TMNT comes out after my 30th birthday. I can stop caring about that one now...dodged THAT bullet.

[chrisdude]

It's odd that DC did not plan ahead and have a Batman film in this gap.

Didn't the last Batman film come out in 2012? It'll have been 4 years.The Amazing Spider-Man was five years after Spider-Man 3, and people thought that was too soon. And people didn't like Spider-Man 3.

[blindturtle02]

I'd have been almost 30 in mid July of 2014, but now that it's pushed back to May of the next year...crap. Now I won't care about this film.

BUT....I can be thankful. Liebesman's TMNT comes out after my 30th birthday. I can stop caring about that one now...dodged THAT bullet.

I'm very interested in your opinions concerning these new movies, dude! I wish I had been on here when all the mess concerning both these films hit the fan.

Pushed back til 2016, huh? Well I guess 2015 is going to be a huge year for Disney with Star Wars and Marvel stuff. I guess I'll also have to wait til 2016 for an Injustice II.

[CyberCubed]

The Amazing Spider-Man was five years after Spider-Man 3, and people thought that was too soon. And people didn't like Spider-Man 3.

But they had no choice there. Sony was in contract that they had to make another Spiderman film within 5 years or it would expire.

And even though this is a "new" Batman, he's not Batman at square-one. This is an older Batman who likely already went through a bunch of rogues, it just happened off-screen.

They really should have had a Batman solo movie introducing Ben Affleck's Batman before this movie.

[Allio]

Did math change and no one told me?

Yes

we even had a meeting about it

[Jester]

They really should have had a Batman solo movie introducing Ben Affleck's Batman and a Wonder Woman solo movie before this movie.
Fixed that for ya. Heck, MoS2 ought to be just Supes. This Justice League Lite or Trinity or whatever is a joke.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Great, more waiting:(

[Voltron]

Good. Now they can take their time instead of rushing it out, which is what they were doing.

Indeed. Also, firing out a ton of Batman and Superman movies would end up over-saturating the market.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Good. Now they can take their time instead of rushing it out, which is what they were doing.

We can only hope they take the extra time to work on the story instead of trying to avoid the competition in 2015.

[Turo602]

This news bummed me out when I first saw it, but it's for the best. It really goes to show how serious they're taking this film, so hopefully the end product meets, if not, exceeds expectations. I still think a second Superman film would have been appropriate before jumping into this one.

They should have established Superman as the boyscout and Earth's champion, before making him clash with Batman. Unless this movie is about the rise of superheroes and proving themselves not a threat to mankind after the whole Man of Steel catastrophe.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I actually agree with CyberCubed (shock!:o). In my opinion, this shouldn't even be a sequel to Man of Steel and instead should just make a legit MoS 2 and focus on the relationship between Superman and Lex Luthor. Then Ben Affleck should get his own Batman movie within the next couple of years before this Batman vs Superman film gets released. And finally, Gal Gadot should have her own Wonder Women film either before or after the BvS film.

To me from a business standpoint, it makes more sense.

[ZariusTwo]

While 'Cubed's little thing about people in their 30s not caring about superhero movies is a bit top-heavy (I'm 31 and am as enthusiastic as ever), I do agree that the superhero movie boom period will eventually cool down sometime this decade and that DC will miss the boat just as they get their act together.

That said, I'm glad they're slowing this process down to try and get things right. Much as I think DC have it all over Marvel in terms of cartoons and live-action shows, this need to compete and catch up on a theatrical level has gotten them in all sorts of hot water with movies of divisive quality and relying on the Bat cash cow as a quickfix solution. They should have trusted the Superman brand a hell of a lot more

[psychturtle]

Seems like the initial announcement of a batman vs superman was a reaction move to Marvel's huge success in theaters. To me, this move may show that DC is still trying to figure out how to get going on expanding their universe. Unfortunately they do not have the same formula that has vaulted marvel to the top. DC seemed desperate with this movie. Glad they moved it back. I hope that they give Henry another superman movie and allow that character to develop more. Casting wonder woman in a Batman vs. Superman movie was complete over saturation. Might as well just focus on batman and superman and build up to a justice league. We'll see I guess.

[chrisdude]

Some of you guys are talking like they dropped the Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman concept. They didn't say that.

I said it when the announcement happened, and I still believe it: Throwing in Batman was done in a panic. After spending tons on the movie and promotion, Man of Steel did less than amazing in the box office, and the reactions were mixed. That points to a worse sequel performance. Instead of dropping the franchise, they were dead set on moving forward, because they want Justice League so badly. I think they were just in over their head, and realized they couldn't scramble that quickly to throw this movie together.

[CyberCubed]

Going by this the earliest we could get the next Batman solo film is 2018...and that's only if they start working on it both during and immediately after this film comes out in 2016.

That's the problem. We won't get a new Batman film for almost a decade. 2018 is probably being generic. By that point Affleck will be way too old to play Batman...I doubt they're going to do a 50 year old Batman movie...and they'll just have to recast again. WB has horrible planning.

Kids need to grow up seeing Batman. The fact that the last Batman movie was in 2012 and the next one won't be till god knows when is disturbing.

[NinjaPug]

They just finished a trilogy of Batman films. They dont need to throw a new one out every two years. I'm glad there will be 4 years between movies with Batman so it gives us time between Nolan's version and Snyder's version.

I like the way they're handling Batman now. They're bringing a new interpretation of the character into a movie where they don't have to re-tell his origin story. From there they can spin this Batman off into solo films if they want to.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

30 year olds don't care about movies. Gotcha.

Except Logan's Run, so they can be reminded that their time is up. :D

[Leo656]

An article on the Superman homepage says that an unnamed source allegedly working in the art dept. on the film, who was either fired or quit due to the delay, leaked a bunch of potential spoilers from the movie.

Quoted from http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=14497


- The villians are Lex Luthor and Metallo.
- Batman forms a UN type deal to stop Superman from destroying another city.
- Aquaman is in it, but not called Aquaman. He's there because the world engine in the ocean did something to the fish.
- Wonder Woman poses as a Wayne Enterprises investor to retrieve an item that belongs to her people.
- Lex Luthor is in the shadows a lot, a manipulator. Not much face time with Superman.
- Robin betrayed Batman at some point, leading to a falling out between them.
- The Batcave was super cool looking, and the mobile looked similar to Burton's.
- Lois is investigating Lex.
- Metallo "kills" Clark.
- The Daily Planet is bought by Lex Luthor for PR purposes.
- At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is a government-approved superhero team.


I can buy pretty much all of that. It all fits perfectly with what we already knew and what we were supposing, for better or worse. Obviously, take things with a mountain of salt, but it all seems highly plausible. Could have been from an early version of the script, of course, or if it is all accurate they may very well change a lot of it now, but it gives us a good idea of where things are probably headed.

In another article on the site, Kevin Smith continues to swear up and down that Affleck as Batman is going to be amazing, especially the suit, which he describes as "like nothing they've ever done on film so far" and "The Batman costume you've always wanted to see." I'm intrigued.

Also, apparently the new Wonder Woman signed a 3-picture deal, for Superman/Batman, a WW solo film, and Justice League. Man, her liver may just fail from all the steroids she's going to have to take to look anything like Diana for that kind of duration. Seriously, lady, eat a f*cking sandwich.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Sounds good Leo656. Sounds like a good way to add Wonder Woman into this movie, so she (hopefully) won't feel out of place.

[Leo656]

Still feels kinda "crammed", but there's also a persistent rumor that they're actually shooting Superman/Batman and Justice League simultaneously, so who knows?

[CyberCubed]

Superman living in exile feels like a rehash of Batman abandoning Gotham in the Nolan trilogy between the second and third movie. Meh.

Also did they confirm Nightwing since they mentioned Robin and Batman had a falling out? Don't see why that would be in the movie unless Nightwing appeared.

[Leo656]

Again, all just rumors, so nothing at all is "confirmed". Just "likely to be true based on what we already know". But yeah, I'm puzzled by the Robin bit.

Also, by the Metallo/Clark Kent thing. It seems like Snyder and Co. really, really hate the idea of Superman having a secret identity and are trying to avoid using it as much as possible. We get it, guys. His disguise is "quaint" and some people find it flat-out corny. Whatever. It's also integral to the mythology, and while I understood downplaying it for story purposes in MoS, I was looking forward to it being expanded on in future films.

Just like eliminating the red trunks, downplaying his Clark persona so much seems way too much like pandering to the internet geeks. We'll see how it turns out in the end, I guess.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I like the idea of the Batmobile design, and also Metallo. Seems good so far, nothing has really made me go "That's a bad move, i don't like that."

[Leo656]

Superman consistently being portrayed as less-than-heroic within the context of his own damn movie series is puzzling as hell, you gotta admit that.

I don't care what anyone says about "Superman Returns". That scene on the baseball field where a crowd of people erupt into thunderous applause for the triumphant hero? More of THAT, please. That's the kind of feeling Superman and his films are supposed to evoke. Not him being viewed as a dangerous menace and "going off into exile because darn it, the world just doesn't understand him."

He's not a dark character. He's not a maudlin or conflicted character. He's "Earth's Greatest Hero". Period. I liked MoS. I'm cautiously optimistic for the new movie(s). But more and more, I'm wondering if these people even "get it".

[The Stryker]

More Mopey Superman.

Great.

[blindturtle02]

Well, it's Nolan's spin on Superman and all that. Of course he's gonna be mopy! Ya know, that's a nice nickname for him.

Metallo huh? He's always been one of my favorite bad guys, so looking forward to him being in the film. I liked MOS so I'm hoping I'll enjoy the next one. Do we know if Lex is going to be in it? I hope it's not campy loony Lexie again. The sinister businessman persona hiding behind a benevolent facade is more interesting.

[Leo656]

I'm willing to bet Lex will be similar to how he was portrayed in the John Byrne-era comics. The best thing about MoS was it was very close to the comic books, even in some fairly obscure ways (like having Rondors on Krypton and one of Krypton's moons being blown up).

I just want more "fun" in the Superman film franchise. MoS does get better the more you watch it, and it's a great film on a technical level, but I'll never forget the contrast in the audience's attitude on opening night between Superman Returns and MoS, no matter people's opinions on either film nowadays. With "Returns", as soon as it ended there was an enthusiastic ovation from the entire theater (they popped huge for the plane rescue scene, too). With MoS, everyone just got up and walked out looking really angry, and only like two people besides me and my wife stayed to see if there was anything after the credits. It was like they couldn't wait to leave.

Hindsight notwithstanding, people's initial gut reactions to each movie couldn't have been more different. They seemed to feel like MoS was an ordeal. At least nobody yelled out "That sucked!", like they did at the "Hulk" opener. :lol: (It didn't, but that movie's a whole other debate)

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

To be honest, as much as i liked Man of Steel, i hope Superman does lighten up a bit, so that his personality clashes with Batman's. That's what's so great about having Superman and Batman together: They are the complete opposite personality wise. Superman is the 'Boy Scout' type, he is very lighthearted. Batman is Dark and brooding. Having them with similar personalities just erases the appeal of all the Batman and Superman team ups.

[ToTheNines]

- Metallo "kills" Clark.
- At the end Superman is living in exile, and the Justice League is a government-approved superhero team.

I can live with the other stuff, might even be cool. But these two, I hate.

There's no reason to kill Clark... they're just writing themselves into a corner. What the hell would MoS 3 do?

And one thing I've always liked is how the Avengers were the honorary government agents and the Justice League kind of operated on their own terms. Sounds like they're just copying Avengers right there.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

If anyone was to kill Superman, it wouldn't be Metallo. It would be Doomsday or Darkseid

[Leo656]

They didn't say...that Superman would die, that "Clark Kent" would, which would be... interesting.

I agree with your first point, ToTheNines. I'm hoping they don't bother with that. However, as to the second....

In the late-80s/early-90s, the League was reorganized as a multi-national peacekeeping force will full support and funding of the US government and the United Nations, "Justice League International", with Maxwell Lord as their government liason. Divided into two groups, "Justice League America" and "Justice League Europe", each with their own separate team lineup and Embassy, the League went on to become a more powerful global force than they'd been in years, and the Justice League comics enjoyed some of their highest popularity ever.

This run lasted until shortly after Superman died. Max Lord was seemingly killed (he got better), several valuable members were seriously hurt and/or killed off, and a series of scandals cost the League their UN backing, forcing them to go on the run and regroup as several smaller factions, mostly made up of B-listers under headers like "Extreme Justice" and "Justice League Task Force". That version of the League limped along for a few years before Grant Morrison got the approval to reform the JLA under the more familiar "Core Seven" lineup in or around 1996.

Point being, there IS significant precedent for the JLA operating as a government agency; they did it for a while and it was definitely one of the higher points of the group's modern history. The Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman "Trinity" were almost never on the group at the same time during this run (editorial logic being it would dilute the concept if there were too many "big names" on the team at once), but there was always at least one, sometimes two of them, usually in a leadership role or sometimes sharing it.

Example: Batman was the original leader of the JLA/JLI, but quit in frustration after a while. When Superman was coerced into joining and becoming team leader by Lord and the UN (he initially declined membership entirely as he was too humble to think of himself in a leadership role, which his powers would make him accept by default), he convinced Batman to rejoin the League as his co-Captain, feeling Batman was actually better suited to being a leader and that the team would better function under both of them. Batman left again soon after, and never rejoined the JLA at all until many years later. When Superman died, Wonder Woman joined the League, replacing Superman as the leader, a position she held until the end of the "Task Force/Extreme Justice" days a few years later.

Whew... so anyways, there's a precedent for the JLA kickin' butt for 'Merica, and based on the way the books went during the days the JLA was gov't-funded, one can almost guess how some of the dynamics between the Big Three might play out on film. I'll mark out so damn hard if Max Lord makes it in... you have NO idea...

In fact, one draft of an earlier aborted JLA movie had Max Lord as one of the main villains, so yeah, I'm actually kind of excited about the potential, there.

[NinjaPug]

BURBANK, CA, January 31, 2014 – Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that Jesse*Eisenberg has been set to star as Lex Luthor and Jeremy Irons will play Alfred in the upcoming*Zack Snyder untitled Superman/Batman film. The dual announcement was made today by*Greg Silverman, President, Creative Development and Worldwide Production, and Sue Kroll,*President, Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures.

Snyder stated, “Lex Luthor is often considered the most notorious of Superman’s rivals,*his unsavory reputation preceding him since 1940. What’s great about Lex is that he exists*beyond the confines of the stereotypical nefarious villain. He’s a complicated and sophisticated*character whose intellect, wealth and prominence position him as one of the few mortals able to*challenge the incredible might of Superman. Having Jesse in the role allows us to explore that*interesting dynamic, and also take the character in some new and unexpected directions.”
The director added, “As everyone knows, Alfred is Bruce Wayne’s most trusted friend,*ally and mentor, a noble guardian and father figure. He is an absolutely critical element in the*intricate infrastructure that allows Bruce Wayne to transform himself into Batman. It is an honor*to have such an amazingly seasoned and gifted actor as Jeremy taking on the important role of*the man who mentors and guides the guarded and nearly impervious façade that encapsulates*Bruce Wayne.”

Snyder’s film stars Henry Cavill, reprising his role as Superman/Clark Kent, Ben Affleck*as Batman/Bruce Wayne, and Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman/Diana Prince. The film also*reunites “Man of Steel” stars Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane.

The new film is currently being written by Chris Terrio, from a screenplay by David S.*Goyer. Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder are producing, with Benjamin Melniker, Michael E.*Uslan, Wesley Coller, David S. Goyer and Geoff Johns serving as executive producers.

The film is set to open worldwide on May 6, 2016, and is based on Superman characters*created by Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster, Batman characters created by Bob Kane, and Wonder*Woman created by William Moulton Marston, appearing in comic books published by DC*Entertainment.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm excited. Younger Lexs arent neccersarily a bad thing going by depictions like Smallville.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm guessing they wanted a younger Lex Luthor for this film to counteract Cavill's Superman. But can Jesse Eisenberg really pull off Luthor?

[Raven]

Can't say I was expecting this kind of casting, I like Jesse for the most part but I'm having a hard time seeing him as Lex.

[blindturtle02]

I'm excited. Younger Lexs arent neccersarily a bad thing going by depictions like Smallville.

Yeah Z, I could deal with a younger Lex. Still regretting that the movie got pushed back, but maybe it'll be worth the wait if they take their time with it.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm having a lot of trouble seeing him as Lex working in my head. Great actor but... I'm imagining him facing down and trying to intimidate Superman and/or Batman... and no matter how I try, it just ends up being laughable. Completely laughable.

[Krutch]

I'm imagining him facing down and trying to intimidate Superman and/or Batman... and no matter how I try, it just ends up being laughable. Completely laughable.

Yeah... I don't know what they're going for here. Unless they're playing up a Smallville angle, and we're gonna be getting "flashbacks" to teen Clark and teen Lex growing up, setting up Lex for a future villain. Though I seriously doubt it. I'm pretty much certain that he's just going to be regular old Lex Luthor. Which to that I say... wtf.

[CyberCubed]

I don't like a younger Lex either. Is this the first universe where Batman will be noticeably older than Luthor? And not just by a few years either, the Batman in this movie will be a good 10+ years older than Lex Luthor.

[Turo602]

The only way I'm gonna accept him in that role is if he pulls a Heath Ledger. Otherwise, why?

[Anton Chigurh]

Mark my words Jesse playing lex is going to be the best thing about this series. Home run cast for sure. Lex is such a complex character that the avg fan doesn't know. He's cunning and menacing as well many other things. Bravo

[ToTheNines]

So now Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is rumored to play Green Lantern (Stewart) in either this, or the following Justice League movie.

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/02/05/dwayne-johnson-hints-that-hes-playing-green-lantern
My feelings about DC vs. Marvel have swayed so hard in the past few months.

[ZariusTwo]

My feelings about DC vs. Marvel have swayed so hard in the past few months.

Frankly neither company are really impressing me with some of their creative choices across the spectrum lately. Marvel have really only got it together with their movies and only some of their comics whilst struggling with tv, where as DC have it together with tv and animated movies but are struggling with live-action movies and the New 52

[ToTheNines]

Frankly neither company are really impressing me with some of their creative choices across the spectrum lately. Marvel have really only got it together with their movies and only some of their comics whilst struggling with tv, where as DC have it together with tv and animated movies but are struggling with live-action movies and the New 52

Completely agreed. I was just referring to their movies here though.

Sadly, Marvel is capable of great animated TV, but they never let their good shows last longer than 2 seasons. I'm knee deep in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes right now and I'm equally pissed about it's being replaced as I am Spectacular Spider-Man. Been meaning to watch all of Wolverine and the X-Men, but I'm not sure if it's worth the heartache.

[CyberCubed]

Avengers at least lasted 52 episodes which means it had the same number of episodes as Batman Beyond and almost Superman:TAS. And more than Young Justice.

Although I would have liked EMH to get at least 3 seasons, 52 episodes puts it on par with the length of your regular DC cartoon.

[NinjaPug]

I'm still pissed EMH was cancelled for that abomination of an Avengers show they have now. I don't care, or see the relevance, that it got as many episodes as some of the DC cartoons.

My only complaint with EMH is that they never had the Mad Titan in it.

[CyberCubed]

I'm still pissed EMH was cancelled for that abomination of an Avengers show they have now. I don't care, or see the relevance, that it got as many episodes as some of the DC cartoons.

My only complaint with EMH is that they never had the Mad Titan in it.

52 episodes is still a long run. Most superhero cartoons don't go beyond 65 episodes with few exceptions. The show could have been canceled early like so many others I could mention.

[NinjaPug]

They've cast Cyborg in the film now. It's a small role but it feels like they're trying to add too much too soon.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/batman-superman-cyborg-ray-fisher-1201163390/

[CyberCubed]

What on earth is the point of putting Cyborg in this film now? Seriously, it just gets more crowded and ridiculous.

I thought adding Wonder Woman was too much since they have to explain her origin and her island and everything, but now adding Cyborg? What's next, Flash and Green Lantern?

[Leofan26]

What on earth is the point of putting Cyborg in this film now? Seriously, it just gets more crowded and ridiculous.

I thought adding Wonder Woman was too much since they have to explain her origin and her island and everything, but now adding Cyborg? What's next, Flash and Green Lantern?

I don't understand the point in putting a lot of these Heroes in the first flick, it's just going to be about Super Man V.S Bat Man any ways like the first animated film was I bet.

Maybe in the second film, that would have made more sense for this :ohwell:

I mean this isn't the Justice League film, every one else is just going to be back ground props the entire film :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

I mean this isn't the Justice League film, every one else is just going to be back ground props the entire film :lol:

At this point we have no idea what this film is.

[chrisdude]

Seriously. Between The Avengers, this, X-Men: Days of Future Past, and talk about Spider-Man villain spin-offs, I don't know which way is up. Nothing's off the table.

[CyberCubed]

It's horrible though because DC is unknown to the casuals.

How many people honestly know who Cyborg is? If it weren't for the Teen Titans cartoon I would have no exposure to him and have no clue why he's here.

[chrisdude]

It's horrible though because DC is unknown to the casuals.

How many people honestly know who Cyborg is? If it weren't for the Teen Titans cartoon I would have no exposure to him and have no clue why he's here.Well, those cartoons probably account for a lot. I mean, there are Cyborg action figures in the store. That's more than I can say for Wonder Woman.

[BabyTurtles]

It's horrible though because DC is unknown to the casuals.

How many people honestly know who Cyborg is? If it weren't for the Teen Titans cartoon I would have no exposure to him and have no clue why he's here.

what?.....DC has had tons of animated shows.....so I'm sure kids know DC.

heck I know more about DC than I do Marvel just because of all the cartoons they've had. XD

I'm pretty sure alot of people didn't know who the heck Hawkeye was when he was in Avengers XD my dad didn't know who he was when he watched it. He just saw a cool guy that can shoot arrows.

so I'm sure when Cyborg comes in he'll be the cool cyborg that can shoot beams :D

[Memphis]

What on earth is the point of putting Cyborg in this film now? Seriously, it just gets more crowded and ridiculous.

I thought adding Wonder Woman was too much since they have to explain her origin and her island and everything, but now adding Cyborg? What's next, Flash and Green Lantern?

I didn't even see the point of them adding Batman before putting out a new stand alone Batman movie.

Wonder Woman and Cyborg are way overkill this soon. WW is going to be talking about Themyscira the entire time and non-comic fans are going to be sitting there wondering what the hell she's talking about. It would be the equivalent of releasing Avengers without a Thor movie and Thor talking about Asgard constantly.

[CyberCubed]

I'd wager that before the Teen Titans cartoon came out in 2003, the general public had no clue who Cyborg, Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy were. I certainly didn't.

I remember seeing those CN promo's for the show back in 2003 when it was brand new and they always emphasized Robin, simply because they knew Robin was the only recognizable character to the general public. Back then I was like, "Why is Robin being paired with these random superheroes?" and I had no clue Teen Titans was a comic going on since the 80's.

Honestly it was the cartoons that made me realize who all these DC and Marvel characters were. Before the cartoons I was clueless beyond the big ones like Batman/Superman or Spiderman/X-men.

[Turo602]

I think at this point it's just wise for them to cast the entire Justice League and have them cameo at the end of the film. I don't see how all these characters are going to get enough development without belittling the Superman vs Batman aspect.

Also, anyone else think The Rock should play Darkseid?

[sdp]

Well he'll probably just have a quick cameo, hell maybe the whole Justice League is just a quick cameo in the end with only Batman getting any lines outside of the cameo. If it's not like that then it really will be a clusterf*** of a movie. Which is a shame since I enjoyed the first one and wanted to see how they fleshed out the universe and not shoehorn other heroes to copy marvel. It screams "me too" and I don't think it'll go over well with the public.

I remember seeing those CN promo's for the show back in 2003 when it was brand new and they always emphasized Robin, simply because they knew Robin was the only recognizable character to the general public. Back then I was like, "Why is Robin being paired with these random superheroes?" and I had no clue Teen Titans was a comic going on since the 80's.


When I first saw the show I thought, "This show is awesome, I only wish they had allowed it to have all original characters instead shoehorning of Robin into the team.
I did see the Superfriends season with Cyborg a few times but definitely didn't remember that lame Cyborg from that show.

[chrisdude]

I'd wager that before the Teen Titans cartoon came out in 2003, the general public had no clue who Cyborg, Starfire, Raven and Beast Boy were. I certainly didn't.

I remember seeing those CN promo's for the show back in 2003 when it was brand new and they always emphasized Robin, simply because they knew Robin was the only recognizable character to the general public. Back then I was like, "Why is Robin being paired with these random superheroes?" and I had no clue Teen Titans was a comic going on since the 80's.

Honestly it was the cartoons that made me realize who all these DC and Marvel characters were. Before the cartoons I was clueless beyond the big ones like Batman/Superman or Spiderman/X-men.Well, there's pretty much only comics, movies and shows. So this reasoning works for everything..,

[Redeemer]

I think at this point it's just wise for them to cast the entire Justice League and have them cameo at the end of the film. I don't see how all these characters are going to get enough development without belittling the Superman vs Batman aspect.

Also, anyone else think The Rock should play Darkseid?

I think he was casted as John Stewart already.
Supposably he twitted out a hashtag on twitter dropping a big hint about being green lantern.

here it is. He has signed on for a warner bros project and a bunch of other small clues leading to the assumption that he is casted as John Stewart GL
http://batman-news.com/2014/02/04/dwayne-rock-johnson-green-lantern-batman-vs-superman/

[sdp]

I hate having Cyborg as a member of the JL for diversity sake, I liked having JS as the Green Lantern in JL/JLU, it brought more diversity and was a fun character, Hal Jordan is just boring.

[NinjaPug]

Not a fan of Cyborg either. If they're going to overcrowd this movie with characters, I wish they'd do it with other ones.

[CyberCubed]

Its sad that Cyborg's defining trait has become, "He's the black guy" rather than the interesting character he's supposed to be.

Its obvious the only reason he's part of the Justice League now is because, "Hey, we need a token black guy!" and that's it.

[Redeemer]

Its sad that Cyborg's defining trait has become, "He's the black guy" rather than the interesting character he's supposed to be.

Its obvious the only reason he's part of the Justice League now is because, "Hey, we need a token black guy!" and that's it.

I prefer cyborg in Teen Titans, he just not that silly or fun when he is associated with the Justice League :ohwell:

[Turo602]

I think he was casted as John Stewart already.
Supposably he twitted out a hashtag on twitter dropping a big hint about being green lantern.

here it is. He has signed on for a warner bros project and a bunch of other small clues leading to the assumption that he is casted as John Stewart GL
http://batman-news.com/2014/02/04/dwayne-rock-johnson-green-lantern-batman-vs-superman/

It's not an official statement, but I've heard of that. I'd rather someone else be Green Lantern. I'm not a fan of how small Superman is starting to look compared to Batman and now possibly GL... It's a minor nitpick, but it's gonna look weird seeing them side by side for me personally.

[Redeemer]

It's not an official statement, but I've heard of that. I'd rather someone else be Green Lantern. I'm not a fan of how small Superman is starting to look compared to Batman and now possibly GL... It's a minor nitpick, but it's gonna look weird seeing them side by side for me personally.

That is also my fear, but if they want to fix it they can simply use CGI to make him taller like they will probably do with Wonder Woman.

The have done it with Zerkze (spelling?) in 300 and also in Captain America pre-super soldier Steve Rodgers.

So I think if they want to they could fix it.

[Memphis]

I think at this point it's just wise for them to cast the entire Justice League and have them cameo at the end of the film. I don't see how all these characters are going to get enough development without belittling the Superman vs Batman aspect.

Also, anyone else think The Rock should play Darkseid?

If it were up to me, Rock would play everyone.

[Andrew NDB]

It's not an official statement, but I've heard of that. I'd rather someone else be Green Lantern. I'm not a fan of how small Superman is starting to look compared to Batman and now possibly GL... It's a minor nitpick, but it's gonna look weird seeing them side by side for me personally.

I wouldn't be wholly against The Rock as John Stewart but...

1. Hal Jordan should be in any kind of formative JLA, not John Stewart. John Stewart was only the GL in the JLA cartoon because they admitted to needing to fulfill the black quotient to satisfy making it PC... and they've already fulfilled the black quotient on this movie with the recent announcement about Cyborg.

2. While I don't love the movie, I don't see the need to throw Ryan Reynolds and that GL movie out with the bathwater in the Man of Steel/SvB/JLA movieverse. The "damage" was minimal. Let's see him try it again in the ensemble thing going on now.

3. The Rock already nixed the John Stewart rumors here (http://www.mstarz.com/articles/28127/20140326/dwayne-rock-johnson-will-play-green-lantern-dc-movie.htm).

The Rock as Darkseid? He could do it... but that'd be a little too distracting to me. They could do far worse, though.

[Turo602]

Yeah, I had a feeling it's been disconfirmed. Just couldn't find a link, so thanks for that Andrew. I still think it's totally possible, but after what was said about the criteria of the character he's playing, I doubt it. The guy is already a behemoth of a man, so with the right makeup and CGI, I think he'd make a good Darkseid.

[BabyTurtles]

I wouldn't be wholly against The Rock as John Stewart but...

1. Hal Jordan should be in any kind of formative JLA, not John Stewart. John Stewart was only the GL in the JLA cartoon because they admitted to needing to fulfill the black quotient to satisfy making it PC... and they've already fulfilled the black quotient on this movie with the recent announcement about Cyborg.


....there should be no black quotient....there can be 3 black characters on the team if they wanted. I mean theres no white quotient.

Cyborg and John can be on the same team.

I like John better to be honest...but only if Wally is the Flash ^_^(nah I'd accept Barry too) .....then again I think the JLA cartoon had the best team XDD They just seemed to work so well together.

[Andrew NDB]

....there should be no black quotient....there can be 3 black characters on the team if they wanted. I mean theres no white quotient.

Don't be naive... Hollywood isn't altruistic. The JLA is traditionally a white team (in the sense of skin tone... obviously, the only actual human on it is Batman). That Cyborg has already been cast leads me to believe that either Green Lantern will, in fact, be Hal Jordan in the movie or there will be no Green Lantern in the movie.

Otherwise Cyborg wouldn't be there at all.

[Brodie]

Unless they're trying to use the New 52 roster as it is/has been for the last year or so, with no Green Lantern, and Cyborg is on the team. Hal hasn't been in the JL book for the last year plus, and Baz (also not white) is on JLA, not JL.

[BabyTurtles]

Don't be naive... Hollywood isn't altruistic. The JLA is traditionally a white team (in the sense of skin tone... obviously, the only actual human on it is Batman). That Cyborg has already been cast leads me to believe that either Green Lantern will, in fact, be Hal Jordan in the movie or there will be no Green Lantern in the movie.

Otherwise Cyborg wouldn't be there at all.

I'm not naive. I said there shouldn't have to be only one black person, I didn't say they were going to put more in.

either way DC thinking there only has to be one black person is crazy stupid especially when they can put more in. (or any POC for that matter)

[NinjaPug]

Snyder teasing the Batmobile on Twitter today:

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/batmobile-2014.jpg

[electric_sheep]

Snyder teasing the Batmobile on Twitter today:

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/batmobile-2014.jpg

Looks like a cross between 89 and a tumbler, god damn it Snyder, stop teasing us like this...

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like a cross between 89 and a tumbler

That's kind of exactly what I was hoping for. The functionality and practicality of the Tumbler with a lot of the aesthetics of the 89 Batmobile.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Snyder teasing the Batmobile on Twitter today:

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/batmobile-2014.jpg

Looks awesome. IMO it looks like a Batmobile, unlike the Tumbler

[Turo602]

I'm loving the dick-like shape of the classic batmobile. LMFAO! XD

[Raven]

Snyder teasing the Batmobile on Twitter today:

http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/batmobile-2014.jpg

Now thats not a fair tease! :(

From the small look of it, defiantly has some tumbler inspiration but the make of the 89 batmobile. Which is all cool in my book.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

....there should be no black quotient....there can be 3 black characters on the team if they wanted. I mean theres no white quotient.

Cyborg and John can be on the same team.

I like John better to be honest...but only if Wally is the Flash ^_^(nah I'd accept Barry too) .....then again I think the JLA cartoon had the best team XDD They just seemed to work so well together.

People are all afraid of being secretly racist and feel they must make at least one character non-white in their movies, or else they'll all be accused of being racist.

That's why Johnny Storm is black in the new FF movie, for no reason. And oh yeah his sister's gonna be white. So try and figure that one out.

Though honestly I've always liked John Stewart's attitude more than Hal Jordan's. If I had a choice for which GL to be in the JLA movie, I'd go with John.

[CyberCubed]

That's why Johnny Storm is black in the new FF movie, for no reason. And oh yeah his sister's gonna be white. So try and figure that one out.

.

I think there could be black and white siblings. Although usually mixed race kids are at least darker skinned. If Sue Storm is still "bright white" it won't work.

[The Stryker]

That's why Johnny Storm is black in the new FF movie, for no reason. And oh yeah his sister's gonna be white. So try and figure that one out.


Adoption, Half Brother/Sister with a different mom or dad. It's really not that hard for a black dude to have a white sister.

[Andrew NDB]

Though honestly I've always liked John Stewart's attitude more than Hal Jordan's. If I had a choice for which GL to be in the JLA movie, I'd go with John.

Hal Jordan doesn't really have a personality, but he needs to be the first GL.

Kyle Rayner would actually be my pick as most entertaining and good GL, though.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Adoption, Half Brother/Sister with a different mom or dad. It's really not that hard for a black dude to have a white sister.

Yes, I know, but what are the odds that the two would both be smart enough to become astronauts? Intelligence is partly hereditary, and it's just sort of unlikely and really pushing your suspension of disbelief if they end up going with the traditional origin story where the brother-sister team go on the same space mission.

I guess they'll end up changing their origins, though - I imagine they'll want to radically change up their film, anyway.

[Cure]

Yeah, everyone knows blacks aren't smart enough to go to space.

[The Stryker]

Yes, I know, but what are the odds that the two would both be smart enough to become astronauts? Intelligence is partly hereditary, and it's just sort of unlikely and really pushing your suspension of disbelief if they end up going with the traditional origin story where the brother-sister team go on the same space mission.

I guess they'll end up changing their origins, though - I imagine they'll want to radically change up their film, anyway.

They were both educated very well? Again. Not that crazy. Maybe Sue's birth parents were smart or whatever. Doesn't matter because the two of them could easily be raised in a very smart house. Bingo bango.

What are the chances of a space mission turning into superhero powers while we're at it?

[BabyTurtles]

Hal Jordan doesn't really have a personality, but he needs to be the first GL.

Kyle Rayner would actually be my pick as most entertaining and good GL, though.

He doesn't need to be the first GL, in the Justice League show, they had John first and it worked fine :3

just like Wally was the first Flash in the show too.
(I don't see the problem with legacy characters being first in different incarnations....or Earths or whatever they are called)

if the characters work better then they should go for it.

I thought Alan Scott was the first Green Lantern??

[Ninjinister]

Yeah, everyone knows blacks aren't smart enough to go to space.

http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/lists/Sterling-7.jpg

They were both educated very well? Again. Not that crazy. Maybe Sue's birth parents were smart or whatever. Doesn't matter because the two of them could easily be raised in a very smart house. Bingo bango.

What are the chances of a space mission turning into superhero powers while we're at it?

I don't even know what intelligence has to do with this in the first place. Reed is the only one that's super-smart, with Sue and Ben more or less tied for a far second and Johnny at a not really distant third from those two.

[BabyTurtles]

http://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/lists/Sterling-7.jpg





omg this killed me :lol:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yeah, everyone knows blacks aren't smart enough to go to space.

Heyheyhey

I never said Sue should be the one to go to space because she's white, and Johnny shouldn't 'cuz "blacks aren't smart enough". You're putting words in my mouth.


What are the chances of a space mission turning into superhero powers while we're at it?

Good point. :P

[Candy Kappa]

That's why Johnny Storm is black in the new FF movie, for no reason. And oh yeah his sister's gonna be white. So try and figure that out.

Half siblings.
Adopted.
Just different skin color.

Siblings with mixed parents can get different skin colors, there are twins that have light skin color and the other have a dark skin color. There is many was of explaining why they have different skin color.

And strangely, no one complained when Jessica Alba was playing. Sue Storm ( not her ethnicity at least) since she is half Mexican.

Personally I am disappointed that they didn't cast Sue as a black woman as well, and the guys cast as Reed and Ben are in their mid twenties, just bugs the heck out of me.

[Jester]

I just know i'm disappointed that the enormously talented and hugely funny Terry Crews isn't Ben Grimm. I think he could pull it off. He's big and intimidating but also has a heart of gold. Totally Ben.

[Candy Kappa]

I think actually The casting of Johnny is the only one I like, I do like that Sue is at least in her thirties, but I have no familiarity with the actor.

[JakeSully]

Liking the look of the Batmobile so far

[Turo602]

And strangely, no one complained when Jessica Alba was playing. Sue Storm ( not her ethnicity at least) since she is half Mexican.

Being half whatsit has nothing to do with having the appearance of the role. Also, didn't everyone complain when she was playing Sue Storm?

I don't really care for the new Fantastic Four movie, the whole cast is just disappointing.

[electric_sheep]

https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10262219_841505929196438_6558558274106248170_n.jpg
Is this the first look at new Batman?

[TurtleTitan97]

https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10262219_841505929196438_6558558274106248170_n.jpg
Is this the first look at new Batman?

Whoa, awesome!

[TigerClaw]

The new Bat Suit looks great, And also we see the front of the new Batmobile, Which kind of looks like the Tim Burton version.

[NinjaPug]

Yes!!! Short bat ears!!!!

Suit looks great.

[electric_sheep]

Here's the better image.
http://i.imgur.com/3hRU6px.jpg

[samxsteal]

Here's the better image.
http://i.imgur.com/3hRU6px.jpg

this looks so sick i love it. I have been a Supporter of Ben since he was cast and i dont think i have anything to worry about.

[electric_sheep]

this looks so sick i love it. I have been a Supporter of Ben since he was cast and i dont think i have anything to worry about.

I love Ben i loved him as Daredevil (Director's cut is an awesome movie) and he looks awesome here. Sure beats the crap out of ****** nolan costumes...

[Turo602]

Never been a fan of The Dark Knight Returns look, and while the bat symbol is distracting, it sure looks better than any of the previous suits. Affleck looks great in the cowl.

[samxsteal]

Never been a fan of The Dark Knight Returns look, and while the bat symbol is distracting, it sure looks better than any of the previous suits. Affleck looks great in the cowl.
When it was first announced I was Like yeah Ben's got the Jaw and gruffness, ANd he can act so im excited to see him this is probably one of the movie Accurate looking batman's i have seen

[Turo602]

When it was first announced I was Like yeah Ben's got the Jaw and gruffness, ANd he can act so im excited to see him this is probably one of the movie Accurate looking batman's i have seen

I completely agree. I supported the decision since day one. I mean, it was odd as ****, but for some reason I didn't really mind. He was definitely a better choice for me personally, than any of the other names being thrown around.

[NoName999]

https://scontent-b-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10262219_841505929196438_6558558274106248170_n.jpg
Is this the first look at new Batman?

Bah, they also leaked Wonder Woman's invisibile jet as well. And it looks MUCH better than the batmobile!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__InAR8tMKK4/S-d6zlN8KfI/AAAAAAAABCM/ZKJp0VNOjYQ/s1600/IMG_0479.JPG

[Turo602]

Bah, they also leaked Wonder Woman's invisibile jet as well. And it looks MUCH better than the batmobile!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__InAR8tMKK4/S-d6zlN8KfI/AAAAAAAABCM/ZKJp0VNOjYQ/s1600/IMG_0479.JPG

Holy ****. I'm completely sold on this film now. I just don't see it getting any better than that.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Here's the better image.
http://i.imgur.com/3hRU6px.jpg

That is surely the best looking batsuit I have ever seen.

I just hope it's grey with a black cowl and cape. Then it will be 100% perfect.:thyper:

Ben looks perfect as Batman.

[electric_sheep]

Bah, they also leaked Wonder Woman's invisibile jet as well. And it looks MUCH better than the batmobile!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__InAR8tMKK4/S-d6zlN8KfI/AAAAAAAABCM/ZKJp0VNOjYQ/s1600/IMG_0479.JPG

Not impresed, **** this movie...

[samxsteal]

Bah, they also leaked Wonder Woman's invisibile jet as well. And it looks MUCH better than the batmobile!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/__InAR8tMKK4/S-d6zlN8KfI/AAAAAAAABCM/ZKJp0VNOjYQ/s1600/IMG_0479.JPG

OMG THATS AMAZING lol

[chrisdude]

I love what I’m seeing.

The large bat symbol looks cool. It reminds me of the title card from the 60’s Batman TV series (below). The short ears on the cowl remind me of that show, too. I also dig how the suit doesn’t look like armor. It’s a monochrome photo, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that it’s primarily grey, with black cape, cowl and gloves - which is awesome, cause I’m so tired of these all-black Batsuits.

The Batmobile looks like a Batmobile. As in, if Batman wasn’t in this shot, and you only saw this visible portion of the vehicle, anyone would recognize it as the Batmobile. And that’s awesome.

I was afraid of another, “If Batman was real” interpretation, which may still be more or less true, but I’m very pleased that the suit and the car appear to be unashamedly Batman.

http://i.imgur.com/o5KbMng.jpg

[discordiatookie]

New suit looks awesome and oh my, Ben's filling it well!

Love the cowl and the chest symbol.

[Redeemer]

The suit design is screaming frank miller

[electric_sheep]

The suit design is screaming frank miller

It very much looks like Crazy Steve
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hmtlFNTUZD4/Udth5A1t79I/AAAAAAAAAFs/VLSa6nJY1fM/s1600/2860554-all_star_batman_by_jim_lee_by_ink2paper916_d2xh9vf .jpg
The biggest problem that i have with the suit is the same one that i had with Man od Steel suit, that chest emblem looks superglued on...

[Brodie]

Yeah, everyone knows blacks aren't smart enough to go to space.

And if they are, they go crazy.

http://www.boltcity.com/movies/screenshots/m2m/crazy_cheadle.jpg

[Zulithe]

Love the new suit, so glad they are going in a different direction than Nolan. I'll always adore those films but I'm ready for a new interpretation of Batman, hopefully something a little more like the comics. So far so good.

Need to see more of the Batmobile, but it's also looking good. Looks more of a cross between the tumblr and burton batmobile... a nice in-between, which I also like.

[CyberCubed]

Seeing that Batman cosume makes me a little sad that we're not getting a Batman solo film before this Batman/Superman movie.

Its a shame really and just poor planning. They should have introduced this new Batman in his own movie and now we're just going to struggle to divide our time between him, Superman, Wonder Woman....and...Cyborg... Jesus.

[chrisdude]

Its a shame really and just poor planning. They should have introduced this new Batman in his own movie and now we're just going to struggle to divide our time between him, Superman, Wonder Woman....and...Cyborg... Jesus.They haven't announced Jesus yet, but give them time.

[samxsteal]

Seeing that Batman cosume makes me a little sad that we're not getting a Batman solo film before this Batman/Superman movie.

Its a shame really and just poor planning. They should have introduced this new Batman in his own movie and now we're just going to struggle to divide our time between him, Superman, Wonder Woman....and...Cyborg... Jesus.

They have already green lit, JLA and rumor is they are filming back to back, So while they may be in the movie they could just be the characters and be minor characters alluded too for the sequels.

[sdp]

Love the Batmobile and the new Batman suit, Affleck looks great in it! Pretty hyped for the movie again. I'm sure the other superheroes won't be more than quick cameos. I can't wait to see new Batman movies with this Batman either, hopefully its announced at SDCC or soon after the well received feedback from this image, a Batman movie could still come out before the JL movie.

[SDCC]

I love Christian Bale's Batman. I love Keaton's Batman. As open to Ben Affleck as I've been, I never expected to even consider that he could be better than either of them.

This suit is Batman. To my eyes it merges the 'Earth One' suit with Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns design, to great effect. The short ears were a concern at first, but I'm pleased they've finally used something so common in the comics. Really helps makes this Batman stand out amongst the others. The most famous batsuit designs from the comics - Miller in DKR, Lee in Hush, Mazzucchelli in Year One and most recently Capullo - all have shorter ears so it's about time really.

The colour scheme, whether it turns out be blue/grey or black/grey (maybe grey/grey?) will further differentiate him and make it plain that this is a new take on the character.

He definitely looks grizzled (notice the scars on the suit and the stubble), and gives me the impression that he is not someone to be mucked around with. Very imposing, and I hope the writing and acting makes the most of that.
I have questions. Namely how well can he turn his head, and what will he sound like. But he has the build and the suit so that's a strong start.

It could all fall apart when we see it in action, but going by Watchmen (I'd always wondered if Nite Owl's suit would be an inspiration) and Man of Steel, Snyder knows how to design a superhero, and how to make them look cool at least.

A lot of the rest falls on Affleck's rather broad shoulders. I think he's up to the task.

The batmobile looks like a hybrid of Burton's and Nolan's cars, and I'm happy with that. From models I've seen I wonder if it can be more than a car, but time will tell.

Overall, I'm very excited and pleased.

[Leo656]

The car and the suit are a very pleasant surprise. I had no real expectations, but they surpassed whatever I may have had in mind, easily. Very early on, I swear it was Kevin Smith who swore up and down that the suit was "right from the comics", or something like that, but they always say that. That's really, really close, though, closer than I think we've ever seen for Batman. It's much better than the Nolan designs. Loved the movies, but always hated the suit in the second and third movies. They looked awful the more they were lit. Here, it's all out there, mostly, entirely exposed, and it still looks great. It looks kind of like a mesh overlay with armor underneath, which is how it is in the comics. I know he needs armor, but I always thought it looked too clunky in the Nolan films with the armor plates on the outside rather than inside. This is a great streamlined, minimalist look that still looks like it could be plausibly "real". Affleck's face really looks great in the suit, and I've always said I have a hunch that's the main reason they went with him. I'm sure he'll act the part just fine - I actually thought he was a good Daredevil in a flawed film - but at the end of the day movies are about visuals, and he *looks* like Batman more than some guys have.

Love the car. As others have said, it looks like a great blend between the Burton and Nolan versions. Actually, all of it does. The costume and car both have a really nice mix of the comics along with bits from the most well-received prior films. I can't wait to see them in color and in action. And since this look is so right-on, I'm sincerely hoping that the look for Wonder Woman is equally close to the source. And further, since they long ago confirmed that they're tweaking the Superman suit as well, I'm hoping they do like they did with Batman and put some of the "classic" comic elements back in. It wasn't terrible in MoS, but it wasn't "Superman as you remember him in your mind" the way this Batman suit looks, or how Reeve's did back in the day. I know there's a time and a place for updating stuff, but I'm nitpicky about Superman. :P

And if we're throwing Green Lanterns That Aren't Hal in the mix for the JLA movie, Guy Gardner's the only logical choice. Come on now. Out of all the GLs who were ever on the team, he was always the one who had the most important role strictly as far as being a member of the League goes. Hal and Kyle and John were all important characters, but none of them were ever as important strictly as a member of the JLA as Guy Gardner was. Plus, every movie about a team of super-heroes needs the hot-headed loose cannon that nobody likes but who always gets the job done and bails the other good guys out in the end, and that's the entire role Guy was designed to fit. Worked great in the comics for years. Any other character, they're going to have to change their personality for the JLA movie to make them that "loose cannon", because for the most part the JLA all get along (except for Batman sometimes). Why make, like, Cyborg a cocky jerk, or Hal an arrogant hot-head, just to fill a "type" of role for the movie, when their character isn't really like that, when you could actually go with the source material and have Gardner in that role? I honestly feel like he's the most interesting of the human GLs and way under-exposed in expanded media. It's time he got his due. The GL movie was as close to the source as you could get, and it didn't do well, so it's easy enough to just "grow" the GL mythos on film a little bit, put Hal off to the side for some easily-explained reason that won't invalidate the solo film, and have Guy take his rightful role as Green Lantern of the JLA.

Again, it's nothing specifically against Hal or John or Kyle. If they had Hal in the JLA movie, even with Reynolds, I would not complain at all. But even as the Main GL, he just wasn't ever a Huge part of the JLA, Stewart barely ever had anything to do with the League at all, and I think they should just save Kyle for future films. If there's a GL in the movie, it should be Hal or Guy, for sure, but Gardner's the best fit in my opinion.

[ZariusTwo]

The movie now has a secondary title, Dawn of Justice (http://variety.com/2014/film/news/batman-superman-titled-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-1201188157/)

...Please, just call it JLA now. You're obviously commited to the premise.

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/p235x350/10262127_10152193635829862_3669317027508270712_n.j pg

[NinjaPug]

Oh man, that title is terrible. That sounds like the title of a JL movie prequel comic.

Way to beat us over the head with the fact that a JL movie is coming WB.

[CyberCubed]

Why is there a V in the middle? Are they going to fight?

[Cure]

They're going to court.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Gack! It's like they didn't know what movie to make - Superman? Batman? Justice League? - so they just shoved everything into one movie and hoped it would work.

[chrisdude]

They put Batman's name first, and tease Justice League. No one's gonna confuse this with a Man of Steel sequel, now.

[pennydreadful]

Batfleck looks awesome - personally I was feeling pretty burnt out on Batman in general (not being a fan of the Nolan flicks). The director's cut of Daredevil was really enjoyable, so I'm not concerned about Affleck not doing a good job. Besides, he's got a great chin and shoulders - I think he pulls off the cowl much better than some other actors have.

[sdp]

The title to me says that WB has no confidence in Superman, he doesn't even get top billing in the movie. This is no longer a Superman sequel as far as I'm concerned and it's more of a team up movie that leads into Justice League. I still remember when it was announced they said it'd be Man of Steel 2 with Batman guest starring but that he wouldn't have a big role. With this new title we can expect him to be as important as Superman. Hopefully Superman does get a sequel eventually after JL,

[chrisdude]

In a panel with other comic book film writers, David Goyer was asked about how he would treat Martian Manhunter in a film.

Well, he can’t be ******* called ‘The Martian Manhunter’ because that’s goofy. He could be called “Manhunter.” … The whole deal with Martian Manhunter is he’s an alien living amongst us, that’s the deal. He came out in the ’50s, and he had basically all the powers of Superman, except he didn’t like fire, and he could read your mind. So here’s the best part: So he comes down to Earth and decides, unlike Superman who already exists in the world now, that he’s just going to be a homicide detective, and pretend to be a human homicide guy. … So instead of using superpowers and mind-reading and like, “Oh, I could figure out if the President’s lying or whatever,” he just decides to disguise himself as a human homicide detective. Dare to dream.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2014/05/goyer-compares-she-hulk-to-a-porn-star-calls-martian-manhunter-goofy/

There was a lot of joking and goofing around, as was the tone of the conversation, but his comments about Martian Manhunter (and She-Hulk) have offended some.

[Leo656]

Typical of DC/WB, really. They've always been afraid of their own properties, ashamed of their silly little "super-hero stuff" they make billions off of. Comic book movies across the board are always a mixed bag, but at least the Marvel movies aren't trying to hide what they are, and are embracing their comic book roots. I mean, Guardians of the Galaxy isn't "goofy"? Ant-Man? Of course they're goofy names/ideas/properties, but sometimes that sells.

I mean, saying "Martian Manhunter is a goofy name, simply 'Manhunter' is less so" isn't exactly blasphemy, but it IS another example of how DC/WB approaches their comic characters. I mean, his ideas for executing the character itself are pretty much spot-on, but starting the conversation off with, "We can't call him the Martian Manhunter because it's too goofy" is just way too close to how WB execs spent 15 years saying, "Superman can't fly or have a cape in his movies because that's too goofy." I feel like their movies would do even better if they just accepted the fact that super-heroes don't need to be "justified" or "brought down to earth". The Marvel Studios movies are as goofy and over-the-top as they come, while still keeping a serious tone overall, and even the weaker ones make good money.

I like Goyer's stuff, generally, but I think he's a little pretentious. So many of these film writers act like they wish they were working on something Shakespearian and "important". You write movies, guy, it's all bullsh*t and make-believe. Have fun with it.

[CyberCubed]

Manhunter might be less known than Green Lantern or Flash, but he's hardly an obscure character.

The more obscure DC superheroes are all the kid sidekicks outside of Robin and even characters like Black Canary, Cyborg, etc. are unknown to the general public.

[sdp]

I'd argue that Marvel has also been as "embarrased" as DC has in the movies, but it's logical, Superheroes might still be iconic now but they're definitely a product of their time and many things just haven't aged as well and to us the fans someone called "-----" might not be silly but to the general audience it is.

Martian Manhunter is pretty damn obscure, outside of the recent DC cartoons he didn't have any exposure before and basically no exposure for the mainstream audience. When I first watched JL back in the mid 2000's for the first time I had no idea who he was and I considered myself somewhat of a comic geek. Black Canary and Cyborg for example have been pushed a lot the past decade including in more "mainstream shows" and both of them did have previous appearances on TV, something Martian Manhunter never did. MM also really needs to be written very well, many times I dislike him because of how he's written, other times I think he's an excellent character. He is too similar to Superman and if the writer is not good they can easily mess Martian Manhunter up.

[NinjaPug]

Callan Mulvey To Play The Joker In Batman V Superman?
Latest rumour suggests Aussie actor for the iconic Batman villain
By Ryan Leston | Yahoo Contributor Network – 18 hours ago

After landing an unnamed role in the upcoming 'Batman V Superman', could Callan Mulvey end up playing The Joker?

He's one of DC's most iconic villains… and Batman's greatest foe. But could the Joker appear in 'Batman V Superman'? If you believe the rumours, it looks as though he could be headed for an appearance in the upcoming superhero epic. But who will play him? Some folks are convinced that role may have gone to Callan Mulvey.

In an interview with celeb-gossip site TMZ, the 39-year-old Australian actor refused to reveal any details about his upcoming role… and that certainly seems a little odd.

"Ummm, I can't talk about it," he said about 'Batman V Superman'… and when asked about the possibility of playing The Joker, he was equally tight-lipped. "I can't say anything, man. I'm sworn to secrecy - you're going to have to wait and see."

Of course, this certainly sounds as though Mulvey has something to hide. And after the official Warner Bros. press release explained that he'll be playing an entirely new character, you have to wonder quite why he's been sworn to secrecy.

Obviously, Snyder and co. are keen to keep the details of 'Batman V Superman' to themselves… at least, for now. But could this be a sign that Mulvey's role is a lot bigger than we thought?

There's already been plenty of speculation that The Joker could appear in 'Batman V Superman'… especially after cinematographer Larry Fong posted a rather revealing image to Instagram. And while this is far from a sure-fire confirmation, I think it's safe to say that it's all pointing towards an appearance from Batman's greatest foe.

But does this mean Callan Mulvey will be stepping into the role?

If you ask me, TMZ puts forward some rather compelling arguments… and the fact that Callan Mulvey explained he's sworn to secrecy rather than mentioning he's playing a 'new character' seems rather telling.
Of course, for now we'll just have to wait and see… but it seems the Joker may have a new face after all.

https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/callan-mulvey-play-joker-batman-v-superman-074800981.html

[chrisdude]

I really, really don't expect Goyer and Nolan to put out crap. If unknowns were making this movie, I'd be sure this was a mess...

I was thinking. CW has Green Arrow and The Flash on television, but they're both Justice League characters. Some might expect to see The Flash involved with a Justice League movie before Cyborg. Do we know, for sure, that Warner Bros. has film rights to Green Arrow or The Flash?

[NinjaPug]

I really, really don't expect Goyer and Nolan to put out crap. If unknowns were making this movie, I'd be sure this was a mess...

I was thinking. CW has Green Arrow and The Flash on television, but they're both Justice League characters. Some might expect to see The Flash involved with a Justice League movie before Cyborg. Do we know, for sure, that Warner Bros. has film rights to Green Arrow or The Flash?

Yes. WB owns DC.

[CyberCubed]

I'd rather not see Joker here. Why put a villain in that Superman or Wonder Woman can take out by flicking their finger?

[NinjaPug]

I'd rather not see a Batman villain in this movie at all let alone the Joker.

Maybe they could show Batman busting a lesser known villain in Gotham near the start as a way to setup his character. Personally I wouldn't want anything more than that.

[electric_sheep]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=101365
i actually really, really like this idea. Modern buisnisman aren't 80-ties suit wearing cigar munching types it's Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs guys, hope this roumor turns out to be true...

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The title to me says that WB has no confidence in Superman, he doesn't even get top billing in the movie. This is no longer a Superman sequel as far as I'm concerned and it's more of a team up movie that leads into Justice League. I still remember when it was announced they said it'd be Man of Steel 2 with Batman guest starring but that he wouldn't have a big role. With this new title we can expect him to be as important as Superman. Hopefully Superman does get a sequel eventually after JL,

It's very head-scratching, especially when MoS made SO much money. Batman to come before Superman in the title kind of implies that he is more important than Sups. I love Batman just as much as the next guy but it's like DC is not even trying with their other superheroes. DC has so many superheroes that have potential to rival Marvel. If you look at the Flash who is probably the most lighthearted of DC's lineup, he could easily make a lot of money in box office, just like Iron Man.

[DarkLightDragon]

I seem to recall someone saying that while MOS did make some profit, it just didn't make the amount DC was hoping for.

[NinjaPug]

Former Deadline founder Nikki Finke has been known as a hugely reliable source of movie news for years. She left Deadline unceremoniously last year and launched her own site. She has just dropped a big reveal regarding the upcoming slate of Warner Bros/DC Comics movies that confirms a lot of suspicions and lays out their plans for taking a big piece of the cinematic pie from Marvel.

Finke claims that her sources have provided the outline for when WB/DC will be scheduling their feature film slate for the next five years and that it will be formally announced at this July's San Diego Comic Con. Treat this as a reliable rumor for now, but still a rumor. According to the sources, here is DC's slate:

May 2016 – BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE
July 2016 – SHAZAM
Xmas 2016 – SANDMAN
May 2017 – JUSTICE LEAGUE
July 2017 – WONDER WOMAN
Xmas 2017 – FLASH/GREEN LANTERN Team Up
May 2018 – MAN OF STEEL 2

A lot of this fits in with what we already knew. Joseph Gordon-Levitt's SANDMAN movie was already announced, as was JUSTICE LEAGUE, but now we know how a lot of things are shaking out. Rumors of Dwayne Johnson starring in a reboot of GREEN LANTERN could still be possible, or maybe he is actually starring in 2016's SHAZAM. Gal Gadot looks to be getting her solo film and a true MAN OF STEEL sequel to cap it off. Rumors also included a possible METAL MEN and SUICIDE SQUAD film but no mention of a Green Arrow film.

Finke also gave her source's more detailed reason for the delay on BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE and it seems to keep with what we all thought.

Like Marvel’s The Avengers, there will be cameos of superheroes for future installments. The cameos will include the already known Cyborg and Flash. Green Lantern [not played by Ryan Reynolds, thank god] may be introduced. And Aquaman will be seen in the Justice League movie. Problem is, Warner Bros Pictures was still negotiating with the actors for those cameos and future roles, meaning major contracts for multiple JL/character films to follow. The studio didn’t want to move forward until they had more of this secure so they held off starting production for a few months. Seemingly simple reason, but the implications are pretty darn huge.”

This is huge news because if you look at the break down, there are up to 3 DC films a couple of those years. That is definite one up on Marvel, but the question remains how good the quality will be. Here's hoping that all of the silence we have been hearing from the studio up until now has been due to careful planning and consideration on how to make all these movies the right way.


http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/wb-reveals-dates-for-justice-league-wonder-woman-flash-movies-and-more-127

[CyberCubed]

All those years and no Batman solo film? I highly doubt that since by then the Nolan trilogy will be ancient history.

No way can they pass up Batman in Gotham against his rogues.

[Leofan26]

Bleh, I don't like how they are trying to fit in as many super heroes in this thing as possible, it's just screaming train wreck to me.

Why not just call it Justice League instead? It'd make more sense wouldn't it?


Why no Robin yet? He's a fan favorite too :(

[ZariusTwo]

Why no Robin yet? He's a fan favorite too :(

Because Dan Didio hates him?

[NinjaPug]

Why not just call it Justice League instead? It'd make more sense wouldn't it?




Because according to that they're releasing a Justice League movie the year after Batman/Superman.

[chrisdude]

Porbably filming together, or overlapped. Marvel did separate films for their heroes, then crossed them all over at once. BvS DoJ (I'm never typing that again) looks to be one transitional film that will introduce several characters, and I suppose, set the stage for whatever JL is about. It's easy to say, "Duh, do it like Marvel," but maybe this could work, too. Spider-Man's gonna get villain movies. X-Men just... I don't even know what to call what they did. Everyone's trying everything.

[CyberCubed]

Since Batman is more experienced in this movie-verse perhaps they'll skip Robin and go straight into Nightwing.

I'd love to see Nightwing on a big-screen movie.

[Cure]

Since Batman is more experienced in this movie-verse perhaps they'll skip Robin and go straight into Nightwing.

I'd love to see Nightwing on a big-screen movie.

Uuuuuh...hmm. Yeah, why not. I'm cool with Nightwing.

[Raph's Girl]

Reports are now coming in that Jason Mamoa has signed on to play Aquaman in Dawn of Justice. That'll be interesting. From Stargate Atlantis to Game of Thrones to Conan to Aquaman! And everyone will just complain about Aquaman not being a blonde....

http://batman-news.com/2014/06/14/jason-momoa-is-aquaman-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

For God's sake. I thought this was going to be a Superman movie with Batman. Now there's Wonder Woman and Aquaman?

This movie will bomb, I just know it. Too many ideas are trying to be thrown into this story.

[NinjaPug]

So we're getting cameos from WW, Flash, Cyborg and Aquaman with the possibility of more? I'm all for cameos to setup JL but this might be too many for one movie. Hopefully Snyder and crew handle this properly.

[pennydreadful]

Reports are now coming in that Jason Mamoa has signed on to play Aquaman in Dawn of Justice. That'll be interesting. From Stargate Atlantis to Game of Thrones to Conan to Aquaman! And everyone will just complain about Aquaman not being a blonde....

http://batman-news.com/2014/06/14/jason-momoa-is-aquaman-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/

Yeah, I can just hear the screams of butthurt coming from the "I-hate-any-representation-of-a-character-who's-not-a-straight-white-man" contingent. :lol:

FWIW, I think Mamoa will do a great job as Aquaman.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

http://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/batman-vs-superman-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-twitter-reactions-memes-05.jpg?w=650

[Leo656]

Latest rumor I've heard now says that "The Batman" starring Affleck is coming out in 2019, about a year after Man of Steel 2. Part of the reason for the long wait is due to wanting to roll out the other DC films first, and partly because Affleck has to go direct some other movie first at some point.

I actually think it's a really good idea. It gives Affleck a chance to win people over with his portrayal before they give him two and a half hours of a solo movie to fill. People are on the fence right now about him playing Batman, but I'm pretty sure he'll win them over with BvS, and by the time they do the solo film, he'll have played Batman 3 or 4 times in other movies and people will be over it. I think it's a smart move. Especially because I'm pretty sure he's going to pleasantly surprise a lot of people.

I'm also warming up more to the idea of this "transitional" film, since solo films for both Superman and Batman have been more or less confirmed. I'm not as cranky about Batman "stealing" the Superman sequel as I was a few months ago, since we know we're still getting one (and a solo Batman film) eventually. I actually think, in the end, it will have worked out better.

I'm intrigued by the potential Aquaman casting, as Aquaman is generally the sh*ttiest mainstream DC character of all and anything they do with him for the film could only be an improvement.

[Leo656]

Double-Post, oh well. Anyways, more rumors leaking out about Wonder Woman, Batman, Luthor and more. As always, take everything with a grain, but this seems like one of those movies where a great deal of the rumors turn out to be at least partly-true, so here goes...
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-details-on-wonder-womans-costume-more-for-batman-v-superman-170

WONDER WOMAN'S COSTUME

"The reports of Wonder Woman wearing the pre-new52 jacket and leggings outfit are inaccurate. Completely. The description of the outfit from our source uses the term “badass” on multiple occasions. This Wonder Woman is ripped right from the comics and has a “traditional, yet sleeker” costume that’s “battle ready.” She’ll have a blue leather skirt, silver-armored cuffs that reach to her elbows, golden tiara (with a design of some sort in the center, possibly the red star) and a variation of the traditional-looking red top (no word on additional armor on it). Her overall appearance is described as “Amazon warrior princess” and definitely not an urban reimagining. She’s there to kick ass and that’s readily apparent. Word is that WB is getting a VERY positive response on her appearance to those they’ve shown it to."

WONDER WOMAN'S WEAPONS

"That’s right, not just a golden lasso here. Wonder Woman will have no less than FOUR weapons, including shield, sword, spear, and of course, the traditional lasso. It’s also noted that she will wear the shield on her back, Captain America style, when not in use."

WONDER WOMAN'S SCREEN TIME IN THE FILM

"Her character will be introduced as “Diana” in the film initially before we ever see her as Wonder Woman. She will have a fair amount of screen time and will team up with Batman and Superman for the final battle against an un-named villain who may be working or controlled by Lex Luther. Her origin will be intentionally vague, but she is brought into the fold to show that there are other superheroes in the universe other than Superman."

BATMAN, THE BATCAVE, AND MORE BAT STUFF

"Batman is said to be a veteran crime fighter that will do anything it takes to get the job done. Superman is a rule follower, so they often don't see eye to eye, which is a consistent dynamic with their initial relationship. As for Batman's usual digs; Wayne Manor is there, but Bruce Wayne chooses to live on the property in a modern-looking cottage by a lake (not a van down by the river, though). Underneath the cottage is a modernized Batcave, which houses a Batwing, along with his other gear (Batmobile, batarangs, etc.)."

LEX LUTHOR'S MOTIVATIONS

"Lex Luthor (who is rumored to have longish red hair at the beginning of the film) thinks he is god's gift to humanity and the best that humanity has to offer, which leads to his hatred of Superman. Because Superman is basically a “god” it makes Lex feel less than perfect. Lex tries to sway people to dislike and fear Superman - and many people ARE swayed. Some see Superman as a hero, while others see him as the ultimate threat."

I approve of 100% of this and can only hope every single bit of it is true.

Also, from Supermanhomepage.com:

"Last week we reported on the news that a scene was filmed in Michigan for "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" in which the Mayor of Metropolis dedicated a giant Superman statue in honor of Superman saving the world in "Man of Steel".
Batman-News.com reports that a follow-up scene incorporating the statue was also filmed, in which clean-up crew were required to re-paint the statue after anti-Superman protesters sprayed it with graffiti.
Our source informs us that the clean-up crew were painting over a "swastika" symbol that had been painted in red over the "S" on Superman's chest."

Interesting. If all of this is true, I'm really intrigued by how this is shaping up.

[Turo602]

Henry Cavill as Superman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c6d06e18259fa90090fbe2c125a33572913d1623/c=18-135-2403-3312&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/07/02/1404338747000-USA-Today-Online2.jpg
He looks a lot bigger!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Double-Post, oh well. Anyways, more rumors leaking out about Wonder Woman, Batman, Luthor and more. As always, take everything with a grain, but this seems like one of those movies where a great deal of the rumors turn out to be at least partly-true, so here goes...
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exclusive-details-on-wonder-womans-costume-more-for-batman-v-superman-170

WONDER WOMAN'S COSTUME

"The reports of Wonder Woman wearing the pre-new52 jacket and leggings outfit are inaccurate. Completely. The description of the outfit from our source uses the term “badass” on multiple occasions. This Wonder Woman is ripped right from the comics and has a “traditional, yet sleeker” costume that’s “battle ready.” She’ll have a blue leather skirt, silver-armored cuffs that reach to her elbows, golden tiara (with a design of some sort in the center, possibly the red star) and a variation of the traditional-looking red top (no word on additional armor on it). Her overall appearance is described as “Amazon warrior princess” and definitely not an urban reimagining. She’s there to kick ass and that’s readily apparent. Word is that WB is getting a VERY positive response on her appearance to those they’ve shown it to."

WONDER WOMAN'S WEAPONS

"That’s right, not just a golden lasso here. Wonder Woman will have no less than FOUR weapons, including shield, sword, spear, and of course, the traditional lasso. It’s also noted that she will wear the shield on her back, Captain America style, when not in use."

WONDER WOMAN'S SCREEN TIME IN THE FILM

"Her character will be introduced as “Diana” in the film initially before we ever see her as Wonder Woman. She will have a fair amount of screen time and will team up with Batman and Superman for the final battle against an un-named villain who may be working or controlled by Lex Luther. Her origin will be intentionally vague, but she is brought into the fold to show that there are other superheroes in the universe other than Superman."

BATMAN, THE BATCAVE, AND MORE BAT STUFF

"Batman is said to be a veteran crime fighter that will do anything it takes to get the job done. Superman is a rule follower, so they often don't see eye to eye, which is a consistent dynamic with their initial relationship. As for Batman's usual digs; Wayne Manor is there, but Bruce Wayne chooses to live on the property in a modern-looking cottage by a lake (not a van down by the river, though). Underneath the cottage is a modernized Batcave, which houses a Batwing, along with his other gear (Batmobile, batarangs, etc.)."

LEX LUTHOR'S MOTIVATIONS

"Lex Luthor (who is rumored to have longish red hair at the beginning of the film) thinks he is god's gift to humanity and the best that humanity has to offer, which leads to his hatred of Superman. Because Superman is basically a “god” it makes Lex feel less than perfect. Lex tries to sway people to dislike and fear Superman - and many people ARE swayed. Some see Superman as a hero, while others see him as the ultimate threat."

I approve of 100% of this and can only hope every single bit of it is true.

Also, from Supermanhomepage.com:

"Last week we reported on the news that a scene was filmed in Michigan for "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" in which the Mayor of Metropolis dedicated a giant Superman statue in honor of Superman saving the world in "Man of Steel".
Batman-News.com reports that a follow-up scene incorporating the statue was also filmed, in which clean-up crew were required to re-paint the statue after anti-Superman protesters sprayed it with graffiti.
Our source informs us that the clean-up crew were painting over a "swastika" symbol that had been painted in red over the "S" on Superman's chest."

Interesting. If all of this is true, I'm really intrigued by how this is shaping up.

All sounds good. Looking forward to seeing if this is true

Henry Cavill as Superman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c6d06e18259fa90090fbe2c125a33572913d1623/c=18-135-2403-3312&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/07/02/1404338747000-USA-Today-Online2.jpg
He looks a lot bigger!

He certainly looks imposing. It's good they haven't changed the suit much

[Slade]

I could have sworn I read there was goin to be some changs to the suit. I don't see any.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I could have sworn it read there was goin to be some changs to the suit. I don't see any.

There's now a gold belt, and the blue looks a bit brighter as well.

[Turo602]

Yep, the suit has definitely been tweaked. I like that the blue looks brighter and that the belt design actually resembles a belt. I just wish the "S" would have been a little larger and cleaned up a bit, so it stands out. But other than that, I dig. Also, the hair is an improvement.

[Slade]

Maybe it's my phone? But the blue looks the exact same and the belt thing has been there.

[sdp]

Henry Cavill as Superman in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/c6d06e18259fa90090fbe2c125a33572913d1623/c=18-135-2403-3312&r=537&c=0-0-534-712/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/07/02/1404338747000-USA-Today-Online2.jpg

We've come to a point that instead of CG looking more real, real pictures are looking more CG.

[Leo656]

Supermanhomepage.com has some rumor/spoilers for the film's secondary villains, from Latino Review...

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-Latino-Review.com claim to have received word from an inside source who tells them that we'll see three secondary villains in "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice".
No, it won't be Metallo or the Joker... The three villains they name are: Morgan Edge, Victor Zsazs and David Cain.

VICTOR ZSAZS: A serial killer Batman fights early on in Gotham City. He usually kills with just a knife and carves a tally mark somewhere on himself for every victim. A real nasty piece of work.

MORGAN EDGE: In the movie, Edge is a total slimeball and a public relations exec for Lexcorp. Basically, he's Lex Luthor's mouth piece. We meet Edge early on when he goes toe to toe with Lois Lane in a television talk show. In the movie's backstory, Edge and Luthor were members of the most notorious gangs ever to come out of Hob's Bay.

DAVID CAIN: One of the world's deadliest assassins, 50s, who meets with Luthor's bodyguard Mercy Graves to set up an assassination.

Additionally, they claim that Amanda Waller will also be in the movie as a "very stern and focused senator with an intimidating presence" who "doesn't trust Superman".
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Sounds pretty good. I like the fact that the secondary villain characters are just that, and that they're utilizing some fairly obscure characters to round out their DC film universe rather than going for the obvious names. That speaks well t their commitment to building a fully-realized "world" these films will share going forward.

As far as the "new" suit, I'm underwhelmed only because several articles made it a point to mention it was going to be tweaked, and while it's a *little* different, you really have to look close to notice. They might as well not have said anything. Nice photo, though.

[Slade]

^^^^ I like the way that sounds.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's one of those rare cases where I was a little wary at first, but the more that comes out the better it all sounds. I mean, they're trying to do a lot of stuff in a relatively short amount of time over the next couple years, but it's not impossible to pull off and it sounds like they're putting the work into it. I'm excited.

[Slade]

Me too. I don't want to get over excited, but things are really starting to sound great.

[NinjaPug]

Zsasz is the perfect level of Batman villain that needs to be in this movie - not one of the big rogues but not too small either. Our first glimpse of Batman in this universe should be him busting Zsasz in Gotham.

[Slade]

So ugh...supposedly, a lot of leaks from the last 6 months are fake and written by Kevin Smith.

[pennydreadful]

Removing Kevin Smith's influence from the project can only be a good thing, neh? I mean, if we left it up to old KS, he'd probably write something absurd like Batman peeing his pants...

Oh... wait... :P

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Talking about the solo Batman movie, the villian I want for that is Hush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_%28comics%29). I think that he would be an awesome villian for Batman to take on, plus it would be different from the usual rogue gallery uses.

[Leo656]

That'd be kind of funny if WB went to all that trouble to prevent spoilers from leaking out, but I kind of wish they'd take that effort and put it into making a good movie instead of trolling the internet. No matter what they do, things will leak out, and people will decide months in advance if they want to see the movie or not, regardless. What would really suck, is if the movie they actually make turns out crummy, and then everyone will be like, "Man, if only they DID do all that stuff that leaked out, instead of this." Seems like a ton of trouble for nothing. People subconsciously WANT movies spoiled for them, you can't fight it. Ah well. I had high hopes for the movie based on the rumors, now I'm wary again. Because while I don't like having the entire thing laid out for me beforehand, I like to have SOME idea of what I'm getting. They're trying to do a lot with this movie, and the rumors made it sound like they were on the right track. Now, who knows? Ah well.

As far as Kevin Smith in general, I really like the guy, but his problem is, he's a huge Kevin Smith fan. He's really, really in love with his own work, to the point where he can't see how some things that are amusing to him simply don't work in general for a wider audience. I know some people still wish he got to make his Superman movie back in 1998 or whenever, but I read that script and frankly, it was awful. I like him in spite of himself, though. Just wouldn't want him working on any super-hero movies.

[NinjaPug]

More Batfleck:

http://i.imgur.com/bbYOEJn.jpg

[Leo656]

Nice to see the Bat-Chin in full effect! :lol:

Nah, I like it. I'm one of the few who actually thinks he's gonna do Just Fine.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Nice to see the Bat-Chin in full effect! :lol:

Nah, I like it. I'm one of the few who actually thinks he's gonna do Just Fine.

I just hope his performance doesn't go to waste if the movie turns out to be a hot mess.

[Slade]

Wish they'd quit playing a do a full color body shot like they did with Superman.

[Leo656]

People's comments in other articles about it amaze me. We finally get a suit that actually looks just like the one in the source material, and people can't get over "he can't turn his head", or, "It's not different enough!" Frankly, seeing how far the TMNT movie is deviating from the source, I'm more than ready for something more familiar. I just don't wanna wait two years yet.

Fully-functional or not, it looks good, and the guy looks like Batman. I can't really complain about it looking how it's supposed to look. Scuttlebutt says something about the movie might get revealed Saturday. Fingers crossed.

[Slade]

Are they really saying it's not different enough? That's amazingly stupid. It is different, different from all the other batman costumes in that it looks like it came right out a comic. I think it looks great!

[Leo656]

Yeah, like anything else, there's a small but vocal group who are all, "I wish it was completely different than anything we've seen before." But all the other film versions already were "different". So they actually went comics-accurate for once, and a few people think that's "boring". I'm ready for "boring" after Bat-nipples and Bale's cluttered, patchwork armor design. "Boring" will be a welcome change.

Visually, Ben and the suit are near perfect. The car looks great, both new and familiar at the same time, definitely sleeker than the (still awesome) Tumbler design. Cavill's new suit looks (marginally) better than the old one (I know they said that since the suit was alien technology they felt they could only make very minor changes to it, but it's a movie, it's their job to explain the impossible... give the man a proper belt, at least! :P). Having re-watched "Man Of Steel" the other day and still finding more things to appreciate, so far I have a good feeling about all this despite having a few of the same reservations a lot of people do. I've never seen Gal in anything, and she looks almost anorexic, to me, so their Wonder Woman is going to be a hard sell, especially when Cavill and Affleck are so spot-on perfect for their roles. It does seem a bit "crammed" with all the characters like Cyborg and Aquaman reportedly being in it, but at the same time, we still don't know how they fit, and if their parts in this film are very minor, solely to add buzz for the JLA movie, then they may not necessarily clutter anything. And I think Eisenberg is a bit on the young side for Lex - especially as most of the time, Lex is portrayed either a slight bit or a good deal older than Clark - but they've done Lex different in each version, and it usually plays well, so I'm willing to wait and see on that one.

I was thinking, since we've seen a little of both Superman and Batman so far, maybe the bit of new info that's supposed to come on Saturday could be a glimpse of something Wonder Woman-related? Either that, or a full-body color photo of Batman. Either would be nice.

[pennydreadful]

The suit looks great - I'm loving it. Best Bat-suit we've had in a loooong time. I just wish they'd given him the white eyes as well; I'm a little over the "eye paint under the cowl" look that everyone's rocking lately... but it's a minor thing. He looks like he just stepped right out of the comics - I think it's brilliant. :D

[NinjaPug]

From SDCC

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10565209_10154375997910315_8570287347258464135_n.j pg

[The Stryker]

Happy to see that it's Grey and Black. Always my favorite Batsuit colors.

Looks neat! Although that angle makes him look like he used metallic paint.

[Slade]

Happy to see that it's Grey and Black. Always my favorite Batsuit colors.

Looks neat! Although that angle makes him look like he used metallic paint.

God, me too. I would have taken the grey and blue, but the black just looks so much better to me.

[Leo656]

The purist in me wishes the belt were yellow... the rational person says "Be happy they left the rest alone and call it a win." :lol:

Looks great. Hopefully Wonder Woman's suit is as on-point. I wish they'd "fixed" Superman's more. :ohwell: I do have a sentimental attachment to the Keaton suit but that's really great-looking.

[Slap-Happy]

That's a fake body. The only thing really there is the cowl.

[Turo602]

lol yeah, I was about to say... that **** looks so fake. The only thing they've shown at Comic Con was the cape and cowl. But yeah, I'm relieved it's black and not blue. Good to see the black and grey combination on film. Though apparently, Ben Affleck has been having breathing and mobility problems in the suit. Which sucks because I was really looking forward to a more agile Batman considering the suit isn't armor and he's fighting Superman!

[NinjaPug]

WB opened their panel with BvS. Revealed the first look at Wonder Woman. Also had a quick teaser.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtfHMcNCUAAEU6U.jpg

[NinjaPug]

Official WW pic

http://i.imgur.com/y74HKHY.jpg

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

WB opened their panel with BvS. Revealed the first look at Wonder Woman. Also had a quick teaser.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtfHMcNCUAAEU6U.jpg

I think visually, this is going to be an awesome movie, regardless of the actual content of the movie, such as the Acting, script etc.

[ObiWanFan4life]

I think visually, this is going to be an awesome movie, regardless of the actual content of the movie, such as the Acting, script etc.

Can't argue there. Even Man of Steel (love it or hate it) has a fantastic production design.

[Raph's Girl]

That image of Wonder Woman reminds me more of Xena.

[The Stryker]

Can't argue there. Even Man of Steel (love it or hate it) has a fantastic production design.

Sure if you love grey and brown to death.

[ObiWanFan4life]

That image of Wonder Woman reminds me more of Xena.

Same here.

[Leo656]

Well that's just spiffy.

Colors could be a little brighter but I get what they're going for. Man, for all the talk about how hard the costume is to adapt to live-action, that sure doesn't look so hard to me. Colors aside, that's pretty much exactly how it should look.

[TigerClaw]

Wonder Woman looks great.

[TigerClaw]

Here's a leaked image of Batman from the Batman v Superman teaser.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b183/Ganado_Gareth/1406407387380_zps8feb082c.jpg

[TurtleTitan97]

That Wonder Woman costume looks great!

[CyberCubed]

Why are Batman's eyes glowing?

[Candy Kappa]

Drop the high heels and that Wonder Woman costume is pretty solid.

[Leo656]

Why are Batman's eyes glowing?

That is most likely some kind of battle armor from the look of it.

[TigerClaw]

That is most likely some kind of battle armor from the look of it.
Yeah, I believe in the Dark Knight Returns, He had some type of armor when battling Superman.

[Leo656]

Yeah, and while I kind of don't love that book, it's obvious that at least visually they're using a big chunk of it for inspiration, and I can't blame them given how popular it is.

I'd bet that during one of the fight scenes, the armor he wears to be more of a match for Superman will be 9/10 identical to the one from Dark Knight Returns.
EDIT: Several articles written by people who saw the footage confirm that it is that suit. OK. No surprise there.

Lots of people negatively comparing the Wonder Woman suit to the Xena one. That's the first thing I thought of, too, but I'm thinking they could have a couple reasons for muting the color scheme. It could be an earlier version of Diana in the film, who isn't fully into her "mission", yet, more Amazon and less ambassador. Maybe they'll save the flag motif for the sequel. Or, failing that, maybe they just think the film will play better overseas if she isn't wearing an American flag, since that's apparently something that matters in some countries. I could see it either way. The design is great, I just wish it were brighter.

[Sumac]

Actress who plays Wonder Woman is nice, but I think they should have got someone with more athletic build. Also...once again, my old enemy - color filters. We meet again and I still hate you.

[pennydreadful]

I'm not 100% sold on WWs costume, but it is a vast improvement and I imagine that they'll probably upgrade it in future films - they probs have to keep it semi recognizable for her initial film appearance. The heels on her shoes are my most major beef; it's just impractical to swordfight when you're standing on your toes.

That being said, I like the muted colors and although I would prefer her corset to have shoulder straps (cuz otherwise I just imagine that she'd be laced into it pretty tight just to keep it on), at least she doesn't look like the girls are going to pop out at an inopportune moment. Love her gauntlets and her headpiece, her lasso looks boss too.

Here's hoping they put her into pants for a future movie.

[Turo602]

More leaked images from the teaser.

Batman
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/q71/s720x720/10561543_479936242141489_8588832101280355414_n.jpg

Batman and Bat-signal
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/1910631_479936238808156_7705366706386773818_n.jpg

Bat-signal on Superman
https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10423674_479936245474822_1569373637327956344_n.jpg

Superman
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10345986_479936235474823_6036166235668679175_n.jpg

[Slade]

Damn, those ain't showing for me at work..

[Leo656]

Here's hoping they put her into pants for a future movie.

Eh. I don't care for that look, "practical" as it may be. It didn't look right at all when they tried it in that TV pilot a couple years back, but then again that whole costume looked cheap and terrible. Anyways, nothing wrong with a little eye candy. Actually, pants or leggings made out of the same material as the rest of it would make it pretty tough to walk or high-kick anyways... :P

Could be worse. They could have gone all 1990s "Wonder Thong". Now that was an impractical design. :lol: I think they struck just the right balance between her "armored up" and "bathing suit" outfits. Still hoping the colors are gonna be different once the solo movie rolls around. Overall it looks way, way better than I ever thought it would. When I heard rumors of "armor" I was nervous they'd go all "Kingdom Come" with the design, which, while it worked for that story, is a little too overdone for the "main" look.

[NinjaPug]

Leaked footage

cOd8byxdjwQ

[Raven]

More leaked footage

/8D32JbpV6FE

[sdp]

WW looks awesome, I would definitely want her to be a little beefier but oh well, I like the costume. The teaser looks amazing, the wait will be long. Hope the movie takes off so we can have a MoS2 and even a new Batman movie with Affleck after JL. I'm glad this is not considered a MoS sequel anymore, that's what irked me the most before. And I love Snyder's style, I know on the internet he is not very well liked and he can be very polarizing but he usually does it for me.

[Slade]

Grrr wish I could have seen that leaked footage before it was pulled



Edit: I found one, f***ing bad ass!

[TigerClaw]

the leaked footage can be found here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=677084435718962

[Leolead]

So hyped for this movie!!!! :D :D

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Leaked footage

cOd8byxdjwQ

More leaked footage

/8D32JbpV6FE

Dangit, they've been taken down

[Slade]

So, looking at the pic, I'm not sold on Gal as Wonder Woman, at all. I've grown used to Ben as Batman, I even think he looks the best out of all live action versions so far. I'm getting pumped for this.

[psychturtle]

I may be in the minority here but I wasn't as impressed with the dc video clip. Also, Im not happy with WW's design or the casting of her. In addition to Cavill being cast as supes, I think Momoa will also be excellent in his role.

[pennydreadful]

Eh. I don't care for that look, "practical" as it may be. It didn't look right at all when they tried it in that TV pilot a couple years back, but then again that whole costume looked cheap and terrible. Anyways, nothing wrong with a little eye candy. Actually, pants or leggings made out of the same material as the rest of it would make it pretty tough to walk or high-kick anyways... :P

Could be worse. They could have gone all 1990s "Wonder Thong". Now that was an impractical design. :lol: I think they struck just the right balance between her "armored up" and "bathing suit" outfits. Still hoping the colors are gonna be different once the solo movie rolls around. Overall it looks way, way better than I ever thought it would. When I heard rumors of "armor" I was nervous they'd go all "Kingdom Come" with the design, which, while it worked for that story, is a little too overdone for the "main" look.

The Wonder Thong is almost as infuriating to me as Power Girls' boob window!!!

I don't think leather pants would work for WW, but I think if they can manage to come up with pants for Batman and Superman, they can surely create some workable ones for WW that look as if they're made of a different material and would still allow for a range of movement.

I just feel that a skirt leaves her femoral artery way too vulnerable.

As for that godawful pilot from a few years ago... the less said about it, the better. That costume was freaking abysmal - it looked like something you'd buy from a cheap sex shop.

[sdp]

Man, I really wish they merge the Arrow-verse into this DC Cinematic Universe, you have great modern interpretations of plenty of DC characters, why confuse audiences by having two live action universes at once by having different flashes. Not to mention most of the characters won't even intersect since the TV shows are going for lesser known characters (not counting flash)

[Candy Kappa]

The Wonder Thong is almost as infuriating to me as Power Girls' boob window!!!

I don't think leather pants would work for WW, but I think if they can manage to come up with pants for Batman and Superman, they can surely create some workable ones for WW that look as if they're made of a different material and would still allow for a range of movement.

I just feel that a skirt leaves her femoral artery way too vulnerable.

As for that godawful pilot from a few years ago... the less said about it, the better. That costume was freaking abysmal - it looked like something you'd buy from a cheap sex shop.

Personally, I prefer Wonder Woman's costume to be more like Greek armor, seems more fitting then giving her pants and a jacket, or a bikini bottom... Or a thong...

I wish we'd get something along the lines of Sejic's design.
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/277/0/a/style_test__wonderwoman__video_by_nebezial-d6p5uai.jpg

[BabyTurtles]

XD Her costume is pretty okay....but those 4inch wedges are so darn unnecessary....why would a greek amazon want to wear heels to battle??? that'll mess up her game for sure...

Diana wearing more practical clothing seems more her style also :ohwell:

[pennydreadful]

Personally, I prefer Wonder Woman's costume to be more like Greek armor, seems more fitting then giving her pants and a jacket, or a bikini bottom... Or a thong...

I wish we'd get something along the lines of Sejic's design.
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/277/0/a/style_test__wonderwoman__video_by_nebezial-d6p5uai.jpg

On second thought - you're totally right - that would be the perfect WW costume. :D:D:D

Hell, anything's an improvement over the Wonderthong though.

[Leo656]

Yeah, that look was everywhere in the 90s. F*cking Psylocke Effect.

Y'know what other look I'm not huge on? Supergirl's "crotch flap." That's a current look that's just as puzzling as the omnipresent thong look was back in the day. :lol:

[Slade]

http://www.dorkly.com/post/66139/batman-v-superman-sunset-of-punches#!bqbzfw

Thought this was funny

[TurtleTitan97]

http://www.dorkly.com/post/66139/batman-v-superman-sunset-of-punches#!bqbzfw

Thought this was funny

You're not the only one. :lol:

[Leo656]

More rumors.
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15332
According to Badass Digest, an inside source on "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" has informed them on where Batman and Wonder Woman are in their careers at the beginning of this new movie.
My sources indicate that when BvS opens Batman has existed for close to thirty years, which would place Wayne in his 50s (which is why I expected more grey in Affleck's hair). In this version Batman is still an urban legend, a creature of the night, and no one has ever taken his picture. But he's had plenty of adventures, and the Batcave includes a memorial centered around a tattered Robin costume.
By the way, my sources tell me that Wonder Woman has also been in operation for some time before Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice begins, and her activities have been just as secretive as Batman's. Her activities were badass as well... but in a very different, and unexpected, way.

Consider these "details" as just rumors at this point in time until we hear something official from Warner Bros.


Also this. Neat stuff.
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15336

[NinjaPug]

“@marcgraser: WB blinks and moves Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice to March 25 from May 6, 2016 and away from Marvel's Captain America 3”

[Slade]

Not sure what to think of those Batman rumors.

[Leo656]

I think they're making him a little too old but I get why. The origin's already been done to death and they want to address things like Robin without actually going there. So they're leaving more or less his entire career as a vague backstory... "Those Batman stories you like from comics, cartoons, other movies? Go ahead and let yourself think they happened, we're not going to show them but we don't want to invalidate or contradict them, either." I get it. I don't see why he has to be SO old, though, especially if they're going to have him carry on through Justice League. Unless, of course, they're going to spin off a Batman solo series set in "the past" with a younger lead actor. I can totally see them doing that.

[Bry]

Affleck's only 41, so if they are making his Batman 50 or older... that's dumb. That's a dumb idea.

You can easily have a seasoned Batman with some history who hasn't been doing it for 30 years. I know they're likely looking at The Dark Knight Returns for some inspiration here, but I feel like it'd be smarter to have Batman be 40ish with about 15 years under his (utility) belt. It wouldn't change much about their general concept - all of the rumoured details could still be in place - and it would be more natural for the actor. 15 years is plenty of time to give the character some in-story history, I think.

[Slade]

Going from what you two have said, I think he should at the most have about 15 years experience, since for some reason, he has to be a seasoned vet in this. I actually don't like that. I love the suit, think Affleck might be great, but would rather him not have been doing his crime fighting for so long. I just can't see Batman being an urban legend for 30 years, and nobody has solid proof he exists. Plus the Robin bit that was stated. Really?

[ObiWanFan4life]

Well, it looks like DC, just blinked. Hopefully this will be for the better for both movies.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully this movie won't be the incomprehensible headache enduring mess that Man of Steel was.

[Leo656]

Since both Superman and Batman have always had visible nostrils, I'm kind of curious to see which minor annoyance you're going to latch onto and beat to death with this movie.

The bat on Batfleck's chest is a little too "chunky". Why not start with that?

[Turo602]

Since both Superman and Batman have always had visible nostrils, I'm kind of curious to see which minor annoyance you're going to latch onto and beat to death with this movie.

The bat on Batfleck's chest is a little too "chunky". Why not start with that?

His butt chin, the ears are too small, etc.

Edit: Also, I think I saw a link on Facebook that confirms Batman is in his mid-40s.

Edit 2: Here we go. (http://www.dcyou.org/7037/featured/no-more-rumors-batman-is-in-his-mid-40s-in-batman-v-superman/)

[Slade]

Has he still been doing it for 30 years? So he's been Batman since he was what? 12,13,14? That put him in his mid 40's. Late 40's would be 46-49 right?