Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[ZariusTwo]

Do they think Warner believing the public are thickos is somehow the lesser of two evils with concerns for this movie?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?

[Commenter 42]

They want to get out ahead of their half a billion dollar blunder.

Maybe this will help sink the WB. The whole damn thing's been tone deaf since the get go.

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Looks like Unpopular island isn't so unpopular after all.

[chrisdude]

Is that why I didn't understand half of the characters' motivations in Man of Steel? The movie was just too smart for me?I don't think Zack Snyder watches that movie and sees the same thing we do. There's a whole bunch of things he's explained in interviews, after the fact, that he failed to convey to the viewers.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

BOF speculates that the mainstream audience is used to the “popcorn” movies that Marvel produces

"Popcorn" movies? You can't get much more "popcorn-ey" than this:

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I don't think Zack Snyder watches that movie and sees the same thing we do. There's a whole bunch of things he's explained in interviews, after the fact, that he failed to convey to the viewers.

I've read a couple of those, and his reasoning is really hard for me to wrap my head around... I think he's bullsh*tting us.

[chrisdude]

I've read a couple of those, and his reasoning is really hard for me to wrap my head around... I think he's bullsh*tting us.Maybe. If not, then he's not getting his points across, meaning he's literally not good at his job.

[Commenter 42]

Maybe. If not, then he's not getting his points across, meaning he's literally not good at his job.

Hollywood is full of ego; this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that this idiot doesn't get it, and never has.

I hoping we finally put this garbage to bed. Time for a reboot. I'm not a fan of Deadpool per se, but it's pretty damned obvious - when you do it right, people respond. I hope this finally unlocks the opportunity to make the right kindof CBM's films. Hollywood needs to stop thinking of CBM's a genre; there are genre's within comic's, Deadpool got the most Deadpool-ish movie you could make, and the world rejoiced. The same should happen for TMNT, for Super man, Spider-man, He-Man, etc...

Snyders Super-friend's and Wolverine origins have much in common.

[Leo656]

I'm sure some of you are Oscar-winning screenwriters also, like the guy who wrote this movie. :roll:

I've been saying from the beginning, their only real concern isn't if the movie is any good, it's, "Will the functional retards who made the 'Transformers' series a hit pay any attention to a comic book movie that is as much about story and plot and world-building as it is about explosions?"

Again, people are getting all dismissive and forgetting that I actually HAVE the story of the movie saved on my hard drive. It's brilliant. It's THE best storyline any comic book movie ever had. It's cerebral and nuanced and textured and borrows heavily from the canon in ways no other comic book film ever bothered to, especially in the ways it handles each of its multiple important characters, and how events link together and plant seeds for things that haven't happened yet.

I get that it's fun to play "The Snark Game", but at some point a few of you have to realize you're just f*cking morons talking to hear yourselves, who don't even know what you're talking about. The movie IS going to be really good. Is it "Too Good" for the popcorn crowd? Honestly, that IS a legitimate concern. People nowadays really can't tell good from bad. Some of the same people who think this movie somehow looks "bad" - and again, lay off the f*cking crack if that's your "opinion" - are drooling on themselves over how "awesome" that TMNT fiasco will be. Just for one example. People really are that dumb, to the point where they can't recognize Good Things but universally praise Bad Things, like TMNT or Transformers movies. It's maddening.

Snyder's only "mistake", if you can call it that, is that from the start he aimed way over the heads of the type of manchildren who go see these comic book movies. Which I and a lot of other people say is great, but the response from the plebians has been predictable as f*ck, right from when he decided to make a Movie and not a f*cking cartoon. F*ck those people.

It absolutely is going to be a terrific movie. Will it lose money BECAUSE it isn't "light and fluffy" enough for the little kids and spastic man-babies? Yes, absolutely.

42: At this point your rage-hyperbole isn't cute anymore. I've been polite but you're f*cking way too wrong about way too many things to be talking as loud or as forcefully as you are. Frankly, I've teased you about your own "questionable" opinions before, but here's me being mean about it, because you're really starting to piss me off. Ready? "Nobody who thinks the Nolan Batman movies suck, has ANY business talking about movies with anyone, EVER, because they have awful opinions." I'm convinced at this point that you just want to see me explode again. That's not going to go well for anyone. You and I can go through it all again in PM if we HAVE to, but frankly, I'd rather not. But I'm definitely not getting into all of it again HERE. It'd be better if you could just, y'know, not talk about things you both don't understand and don't want to understand, rather than keep bleating the same nonsensical things while spitting your Hatorade in my face.

There is exactly one guy in the room who has a 98% idea of what the final movie is going to be, and that same guy has a 99.9% prediction success rating on all things ever spoken of. Right here. The "doom n gloom" sh*t from the rest of you is getting tired, since you DON'T even know what you're talking about! At this point, I'd like all of you to officially take that sh*t somewhere else. I'm the f*cking Superman/DC authority around here, not a single one of any of you, and frankly, I'm sick of people who don't know sh*t about sh*t going out of their way to try and ruin this for me and other people who are looking forward to it. Especially when the only people bitching don't even know what they're talking about in the first place. They won't look at Spoilers, they won't listen to the guy who has the script summary try and explain the plot and how the pieces fit, they won't just lay back and be pleasantly surprised... No, it's "That out-of-context split-second shot from Trailer #7 conclusively PROVES that they're getting it all wrong!" Well, that's interesting, see, because I get why you may think that, but in the actual movie, it turns out... "NO SPOILERS!" :roll: Alright, then shut up, then. Jeezus.

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

[Amaranthus]

I don't care what you all say. I'm excited as hell for this movie.

[Leo656]

I'm excited for EVERY comic book movie this year (I don't count TMNT 2). I just don't see what's "wrong" about a Comic book movie that uses the COMICS as its source material, treats the stories exactly as seriously as the comics do, with the same weight, the same depth, everything, and is more than just a fun romp for the kiddies and Dad.

It pains me greatly to see someone try so hard to do everything right, and succeed, but see people put it down because THEY have horrible taste, not the filmmakers. That's incredibly frustrating.

[snake]

I'm excited for EVERY comic book movie this year (I don't count TMNT 2). I just don't see what's "wrong" about a Comic book movie that uses the COMICS as its source material, treats the stories exactly as seriously as the comics do, with the same weight, the same depth, everything, and is more than just a fun romp for the kiddies and Dad.

It pains me greatly to see someone try so hard to do everything right, and succeed, but see people put it down because THEY have horrible taste, not the filmmakers. That's incredibly frustrating.

I agree for the most part. This movie looks (and I'm using this word properly) epic. It feels like it's trying to tell a greater story and have some depth. The style reminds me of the nolan batman movies.

[plastroncafe]

That's how I felt about the Scott Pilgrim movie, to be honest. It wasn't a 1:1 of the books, but I think it had the spirit and the feel of them.

You can just tell when a film-maker knows what their story is about. Deadpool is exactly what it's supposed to be about. And it works brilliantly. Iron-Man knew what it was about, and it's still the best of the comicbook movies, IMHO.

Here's to hoping this is what you are all excited to see.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Having read the same document as Leo and seen the exact same concepts and plotlines confirmed by later trailers and interviews, the man is 100% correct.

People being obstinate in their patently false opinions and stances is no more endearing on this thread than it is regarding Platinum Dunes movies, although honestly, I used to expect better of some of you. Congratulations on confirming my suspicion that most of you hate things to be cool rather than on any project's actual merits or lack thereof.

Christopher Nolan's movies have a few problems, I'll readily admit. Denying what they did for all comic book movies and denouncing them as trash is one of the most ridiculous things ever uttered on this board... and need I remind you of your competition for "Most BS Spewed" over on the Platinum Dunes TMNT section?

DC/Warner Brothers actually bother to tell movies with real stakes, character development, and empathy. Marvel's best movies, while I own around half of them that meet my taste/standards, are usually successes either due to the overwhelming spectacle (The Avengers), or when they break the mold of their "take nothing seriously" motif (Winter Soldier).

[Leo656]

I love comic book movies. I love ALL comic book movies. I love that there's more than one "right way" to do them. And I wish some people would compartmentalize cartoons they loved when they were 7 and not say movies that don't copy the cartoon template are "wrong". They aren't "wrong", they're aiming higher.

It's all good, man. We're all gonna have a GREAT year for movies! Deadpool f*cking nailed it, and that's just the start, and that's exciting! This sh*t in here only happens with Superman-related movies, though. And that's frustrating. Nobody EVER cares about Superman... unless he has a movie coming out, in which case suddenly everyone is an expert who ought'a be making their own damn movie. :lol: :roll:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I've got my problems with a lot of movies, and I'll critique and analyze them, but at the end of the day, I've got most of those comic book movies from 2000 onwards on my DVD shelf.

Except for all of the non X-Men Fox movies (except the first Fantastic Four), Iron Man 3, and all of the Thor movies. Thor still hasn't had a decent movie. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

Somewhere a sig is just itching to marry this.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.

It aims higher for sure, and I appreciate that DC & WB are trying to do something vastly different from Marvel & Disney. But Man of Steel stumbled far too much for me to think that they succeeded in telling a better type of story. Particularly in its attempt to give Clark a complex choice between the wishes of his two fathers, which ended up being a complete disaster in my eyes.

What "puts me off" is that it aims for the height that The Dark Knight trilogy sits on but doesn't want to do enough work to build its characters up to be understandable or its message to be at all clear. No one in the film is charismatic much; nothing is said or done that leaves me feeling like Superman has the right to soar through the air freely, or that the people of Metropolis are safe because of him. I understand that the last issue will be partly dealt with in BvS, but MoS should have left me not feeling like Bruce does.

But even though it's unpolished, they felt comfortable sending it out because its Superman; people will watch it. It's no accident that so many people like The Dark Knight, but are so divisive over Man of Steel.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Somewhere a sig is just itching to marry this.

But for the record, I loved Ant-Man...

[Commenter 42]

Alright.

Leo, your blowhard BS is tired. I'm over it big guy. You want to be a child, have at it, but you a'int chasing me off the playground kid.

You are not the sole authority on anything, so just stop. You wanna spout off over and over again about how right you are, good for you! This movie has just as much wrong with it as PDMT, and I have every right to say my piece.

You're not King **** bud. You're just a guy, same as me with opinions. We all got 'em, and if you want to get nasty over it, fine.

And speaking of what's "cute" Cylon, take a break from sucking up to Leo, I'm sure even he's sick of it.

Now, if you'd like to throw a second temper tantrum, feel free, but I'm not going to acquiesce to your demands this time. You dance all over the kids in the movie section, you can take a few jabs in a LIGHT HEARTED, TOTALLY REDICULOUS DISCUSSION, about a blockbuster movie.

It's fine, we're all fine. Don't be a Sam.

[ZariusTwo]

But for the record, I loved Ant-Man...

So did I, but that had been in the oven for years so it was honed to perfection.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Alright.

Leo, your blowhard BS is tired. I'm over it big guy. You want to be a child, have at it, but you a'int chasing me of the playground kid.

You are not the sole authority on anything, so just stop. You wanna spout off over and over again about how right you are, good for you! This movie has just as much wrong with it as PDMT, and I have every right to say my piece.

You're not King **** bud. You're just a guy, same as me with opinions. We all got 'em, and if you want to get nasty over it, fine.

And speaking of what's "cute" Cylon, take a break from sucking up to Leo, I'm sure even he's sick of it.

Now, if you'd like to throw a second temper tantrum, feel free, but I'm not going to acquiesce to your demands this time. You dance all over the kids in the movie section, you can take a few jabs in a LIGHT HEARTED, TOTALLY REDICULOUS DISCUSSION, about a blockbuster movie.

It's fine, we're all fine. Don't be a Sam.

Would you prefer I sucked up to you instead, C42? I only agree with him when his opinions align with mine. Pretty sure you don't accuse me of sucking up to anyone when we're all taking well-deserved potshots at the kids over in PD TMNT. :trolleye:

So what's a Sam?

[NinjaPug]

Haha. Someone calling themselves the "DC Authority around here" while putting down people that like the Marvel movies and also saying Zack Snyder made a movie that is too smart for the general public is too good for one post.

[plastroncafe]

So did I, but that had been in the oven for years so it was honed to perfection.

Perfection would have been if Wright had been at the helm the whole way through. Sure you could see his fingerprints EVERYWHERE, but it's still not the same.

At the end of the day none of these movies, neither Marvel nor DC, are reinventing the wheel. They're adaptations. A movie can be a decent movie, but a crap adaptation. (Constantine) Or they can be so faithful to the source material that they have no soul. (Watchmen)

There are some superhero flicks that don't work for me. That they don't work for me shouldn't be an indictment on my class, education, or intelligence.

[Commenter 42]

Would you prefer I sucked up to you instead, C42? I only agree with him when his opinions align with mine. Pretty sure you don't accuse me of sucking up to anyone when we're all taking well-deserved potshots at the kids over in PD TMNT. :trolleye:

So what's a Sam?

Dude, you're relentless, every time I argue with Leo, you follow in behind with a second shot.
Drives me nuts.

Point is, I respect Leo, 90% of the time, but lately, this attitude, it's crap.
I'm all for rational arguments and disagreements etc, but yeah, I am mad as hell that DC has been hijacked and taken in this direction. I do not agree that they're aiming higher, at all.
And just because you've come around to liking what they're doing, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. it means, they've convinced you to change your mind.

Hell man, Superman was a hero for me too. It was a big part of my life too.
See, I'm the kind of guy who likes Under Pressure over Ice Ice baby. that's the kind of guy I am. i like the original works, not their derivative.

Make of that what you will.



At the end of the day none of these movies, neither Marvel nor DC, are reinventing the wheel. They're adaptations. A movie can be a decent movie, but a crap adaptation. (Constantine) Or they can be so faithful to the source material that they have no soul. (Watchmen)

There are some superhero flicks that don't work for me. That they don't work for me shouldn't be an indictment on my class, education, or intelligence.


I like you a whole lot more today. Far more eloquent than I've been, but very much the point.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dude, you're relentless, every time I argue with Leo, you follow in behind with a second shot.

Drives me nuts.

Point is, I respect Leo, 90% of the time, but lately, this attitude, it's crap.
I'm all for rational arguments and disagreements etc, but yeah, I am mad as hell that DC has been hijacked and taken in this direction. I do not agree that they're aiming higher, at all.

And just because you've come around to liking what they're doing, doesn't mean everyone else is wrong. it means, they've convinced you to change your mind.

Hell man, Superman was a hero for me too. It was a big part of my life too.

See, i'm the kind of guy who likes Under Pressure over Ice Ice baby. that's the kind of guy I am. i like the original works, not their derivative.

Make of that what you will.

You still haven't explained what a Sam is... we talking Yosemite, Serious, or Spade?

[snake]

You still haven't explained what a Sam is... we talking Yosemite, Serious, or Spade?

Samxsteal, the guy in the PDtmnt section that defends those movies constantly

[plastroncafe]

Oh...that's way less fun than the Urban Dictionary meaning...

[Cure]

I wanna see Superman punch people in the face.

[snake]

Oh...that's way less fun than the Urban Dictionary meaning...

Cybercubed is pretty sam

[Commenter 42]

Cybercubed is pretty sam

Well done.

Oh...that's way less fun than the Urban Dictionary meaning...

Considering the argument, yeah that could work too.

[CyberCubed]

What's going on in this thread. So much chaos and I missed it all.

The things you miss when you're sleeping.

[Slade]

I wanna see Superman punch people in the face.

So do I. And that's another reason I love Man of Steel.


I'm just gonna go ahead and say this. I agree with Leo about this movie. It looks fantastic. It's going to be fantastic or I have a feeling it will be.

[snake]

What's going on in this thread. So much chaos and I missed it all.

The things you miss when you're sleeping.

Did you just wake up now?

[Sumac]

I'm sure some of you are Oscar-winning screenwriters also, like the guy who wrote this movie. :roll:....e.t.c...e.t.c...e.t.c...
F***ing people. Go jerk off to lame sh*t like Ant-Man if that's your speed, and enjoy your mountain of never-ending cotton candy Disney/Marvel fluff, because it's exactly what you deserve: Pablum aimed at children and morons. Some of us aren't put off by something that aims higher.
So much salt in one post.
If I ever want to have fun time by trolling somebody, I already know my target. :lol:

But seriously, screaming that everything that does not conform for your tastes are for children and morons is pretty much a telltale sigh, that you are child yourself with a bloated EGO.

On note:
I don't want this movie to fail, but so far nothing make me like anything about it. Especially Snyder being its director. This guy is like Bay - too much in love with his own style to make anything else. The only difference is that everyone know that Bay is style-over-substance guy, while Snyder still receives credit for being something more...which considering his filmography is rather odd.

I actually might rate Bay a bit higher: at least his movies sometimes fun, when they are not called "Transformers #". And he made Rock, which is the closest thing to decent adaption of Metal Gear Solid games into the movie(...made two years before first MGS).

Also, I like Marvel movies, but they are just that: fun movies, without much substance. I am not opposed to the idea of having serious adaptions of comic books, but only, if it's really a decent work and not some pretentious wannabe "epic".

Though, generally I believe, that comic book movies should just embrace ridiculousness of source material and roll with it. Nobody said, that you can't have decent and interesting story and characters in entertaining fun movie. However, it's rather hard to pull off, hence all this misguided attempts at turning them into grimdarkdiscolored mess.

[CyberCubed]

Did you just wake up now?

I woke up at 1pm.

[snake]

I woke up at 1pm.

Congratulations

[CyberCubed]

I'm wondering because all I see is people saying that they're sucking each others dicks and others are throwing temper tantrums so I'm wondering what the hell is going on here.

[Slade]

I'm wondering because all I see is people saying that they're sucking each others dicks and others are throwing temper tantrums so I'm wondering what the hell is going on here.

you can read can't you?

[CyberCubed]

I gloss. Its not easy reading when it goes back a couple of pages of bickering.

[Bry]

Also, I like Marvel movies, but they are just that: fun movies, without much substance. I am not opposed to the idea of having serious adaptions of comic books, but only, if it's really a decent work and not some pretentious wannabe "epic".

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general are more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance. That's why I care a lot more about what happens in the typical Marvel movie than I did during Man of Steel, because the Marvel movies built characters that I was invested in and Man of Steel just... didn't.

Obviously that's a subjective thing to a certain degree. But all of the mass destruction and carnage and attempted "seriousness" and "depth" a movie can cram in doesn't make me care about the plot if I don't care about the characters and their world first.

I may get a little grief for this, but I just don't think David Goyer is the strongest writer for this sort of thing, and I don't think Zack Snyder can direct emotions very well at all. Hopefully Chris Terrio helped get things on the right track, though.

[chrisdude]

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general or more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance. That's why I care a lot more about what happens in the typical Marvel movie than I did during Man of Steel, because the Marvel movies built characters that I was invested in and Man of Steel just... didn't.

Obviously that's a subjective thing to a certain degree. But all of the mass destruction and carnage and attempted "seriousness" and "depth" a movie can cram in doesn't make me care about the plot if I don't care about the characters and their world first.

I may get a little grief for this, but I just don't think David Goyer is the strongest writer for this sort of thing, and I don't think Zack Snyder can direct emotions very well at all. Hopefully Chris Terrio helped get things on the right track, though.Well said. The couple people I know who have been lifelong, diehard Superman fans are the ones who have been able to overlook this, I think because they walked into the theater with all that emotional attachment.

But, I did the same thing with Superman Returns. That Superman became the Reeve Superman I grew up with, in my mind. That movie made me cry like a baby, while others may think almost killing Superman in the first movie was rushed.

[ToTheNines]

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[Venom]

Cybercubed is pretty sam

LOL, bravo! :thumbsup:

[Leo656]

Fine, whatever, it's terrible, you win. :roll:

That'll teach me to have enthusiasm, or to actually, y'know, know what I'm talking about. You sure showed me!

[ThirdMarioBro]

Everything Leo said, and a thousand times more. Some people literally don't know how to enjoy anything anymore without destroying it first. Now I remember why I quit using internet forums. Bitterness is a sad thing.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general are more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance.

They try (badly) to make you laugh. That's it.

[Commenter 42]

Look, i get it, you're just excited and you don't want anyone to spoil it, which is totally fine, and great even. I don't begrudge you any of that, and I've said as much before, but there are a handful of people, maybe more who agree with me.
Nobody really wants a bad movie to be made, but the argument that one is bitter, or hateful or childish for disagreeing with you?

How's this, I'm not wrong you are, I'm rubber you're glue, na-na-na oo-boo...
My dad can beat up your dad; sticks and stones; you're mama.

There, it's all there. Now please stop with the condescension. It's not a good look for you.

Anyways, where there's smoke... (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/rumor-batman-v-superman-budget-balloons-to-400-million-story-a131113)

[Bry]

They try (badly) to make you laugh. That's it.

And at that, for most people, they succeed a lot more than they don't.

And they've taken a bunch of B/C-list Marvel Comics characters and turned them into A-list mainstream icons based largely on strong characterization and great performances. They've made people really care about their characters and emotionally invest in their "world".

I'll never argue that the series is perfect, and I get why they're not to everyone's taste, but trying to downplay Marvel Studios' well-earned successes is kind of silly.

[Commenter 42]

It's pretty amazing to think about Marvel before Iron Man, before Avenegers; The general audience couldn't pick half the characters out of a crowd, and more, couldn't be bothered.

I'm most please by the success of Deadpool. You gotta ask yourself just how confused Fox must be, right now...they have a hit in-spite of themselves.
Folks must be absolutely losing their minds and falling over themselves, desperate to take credit or explain away why it's done so well.

Dear god let this be the wake up call. It won't be, but one can hope.

[plastroncafe]

Cripes, come down off your crosses people.
We need the wood.

"I don't like a thing," is not an indictment of anyone's intelligence. It's not a bad opinion because it disagrees with yours. "I don't like a thing," doesn't speak to the quality of the thing. It expresses a personal preference.

If you can't accept that people have differing personal preferences than you, then yeah....maybe forums aren't places for you. Maybe find a commiseration spiral and designate that as your safe space. Because forums aren't it.

I don't like Snyder's Superman, and have absolutely no interest in revisiting it, no matter how many bats are thrown in its direction. I'm not stupid, or lower class for not liking Space Jesus, now with more Daddy Issues. It's just not my thing.

However, I have a very vested interest in a Wonder Woman movie, so I really truly hope this Dawn of Justice thing is as good as those who are really happy for it want it to be.

[Sumac]

Well, I think that depends on how you define "substance." The Marvel movies in general are more light-hearted, fantastical and fun. They may not have as much "real world" substance, but they have plenty of emotional substance. That's why I care a lot more about what happens in the typical Marvel movie than I did during Man of Steel, because the Marvel movies built characters that I was invested in and Man of Steel just... didn't.
I agree.
I meant "substance" as in "deep stories and deep characters" some people seek in this type of movies. Sorry, if it didn't come clear.

Well, according to Latino-Review, the studio isn't so much worried as they are nervous. All in all, it's thought the budget may have gone as high as $400 million with marketing costs thrown in and they need it to be a hit which makes upwards of $1 billion as a result.
Holy ****, if its true.
Well, on the other hand its only logical - (supposedly *snicker*) the greatest crossover movie of all times deserves the greatest budget of all times.

Speculation:
I wonder, what kind of box office success BVS should be to satisfy Warner's greed? 1 Billion does not look like a good number in this scenario...:teek:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Speculation:
I wonder, what kind of box office success BVS should be to satisfy Warner's greed? 1 Billion does not look like a good number in this scenario...:teek:

There were reports (of which the validity is questionable) that Disney was unhappy with Age of Ultron's mere $1 billion+ haul. So imagine how much Warner is hoping for.

[NinjaPug]

The production budget is $400 million? That's got to include the marketing, right? WB is going to need $1 billion at the box office just to break even.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure the movie will do well in the box office. Everyone is going to see the first movie Batman and Superman meet. Not to mention a new Batman.

No, its not going to do Star Wars numbers but it should do well.

[Netkeeper]

I can't imagine this doing badly at the box office because just the title of the film is going to draw people to it.

[CyberCubed]

Plus the last 3 Batman films and Man of Steel did incredibly well at the box office. People also need to realize Batman and Superman are STILL the most popular superheroes worldwide other than Spiderman.

The Avengers and X-men are nowhere as popular as Batman and Superman are. The younger crowd growing up in the 2000's probably has no idea about this either, because the Avengers were practically unknown to the general public outside of comic fans for years.

If you asked someone who Iron Man was in 1995, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you. And in 1995 if you asked them who Batman or Superman were, they would know instantly.

[snake]

http://i.imgur.com/3jRQ2fa.jpg

Relevant

[NinjaPug]

Plus the last 3 Batman films and Man of Steel did incredibly well at the box office. People also need to realize Batman and Superman are STILL the most popular superheroes worldwide other than Spiderman.

The Avengers and X-men are nowhere as popular as Batman and Superman are. The younger crowd growing up in the 2000's probably has no idea about this either, because the Avengers were practically unknown to the general public outside of comic fans for years.

If you asked someone who Iron Man was in 1995, they probably wouldn't be able to tell you. And in 1995 if you asked them who Batman or Superman were, they would know instantly.

Man of Steel did not do "incredibly well at the box office"

[CyberCubed]

I thought it did well, where are the numbers?

[NinjaPug]

I thought it did well, where are the numbers?

The internet

[snake]

MoS didn't flop, but it didnt live up to box office expectations

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2013/06/07/man-of-steel-and-the-politics-of-box-office-expectations/

[Slade]

It made more money than both Captain America's, both Thor's, The Amazing Spider-Man, the 89 Batman and every X-men movie according to Box Office Mojo.

[CyberCubed]

That's what I thought it did pretty good, unless DC has unrealistically high expectations. I mean what did they expect?

[Krutch]

Alright, Leo.

You and I have been around these parts for over a decade now. I generally prefer my role as the quiet observer and occasional news reporter, but at this moment, after reading this embarrassingly childish rant, I must ask you in a way you can appreciate...
http://pm1.narvii.com/5873/28da40cb10bd8520d0cbaf9f80999f1ed09777b4_hq.jpgNo, you are not "the f*cking Superman/DC authority around here". You're merely a consumer of someone else's art just like the rest of us. Have you studied Superman more than any of us? Most likely; and I don't see anyone arguing that. But that doesn't make you an authority. That just makes you a die hard fan with more extensive history of the character.

There's a quote from Bryan Singer when he was making Superman Returns, and it went something like this: "At some point, you realize that Superman means so many different things to so many different people. He's been around before I was born and he will be here long after I'm gone. So all you can do is ask yourself who Superman is to you." I'm paraphrasing from memory but thats more or less what he was getting at. You need to understand that your opinion, whether its based on character history or not, isn't correct; it's just an opinion.

Your version of who Superman is doesn't match up with who I think Superman is.
Neither of us are right.
Neither of us are wrong.

Because you have more extensive knowledge on the mythology than most of us (a mythology made up by several different writers adding their own take of who their Superman is) you feel your opinion on the character is the correct one. No. It just means you are able to look at a wider history of the character, find the most common or consistent threads that work for you, and make your own ultimate version of the character in your head. And thats fine. That Superman is all yours. And if this movie universe aligns with who your Superman is, that's super awesome and I'm genuinely happy for you. Because even though this particular version of Kal-El is not even close to my cup of tea, I'm still happy he's out there connecting with people.

So when you say you're "the f*cking Superman/DC authority around here", that's absolute b*llsh*t. Because you're speaking about something thats entirely subjective. So what if its borrowing from canon? If Venus Di Milo shows up in the next Ninja Turtles movie, I guess thats great then too, right? I mean, she belongs to some canon. Oh, you prefer the Mirage canon? That's cool. But Ninja Turtles III: Viva La Venus probably isn't gonna be for you. "Hey, but Mirage came first, and its written by the creators, so, that's the correct canon!" Oh? Well, in that case, let's have Superman do all the dumbest things in the world like in the Golden Age. I only reference this because I know your affinity towards the silver age Man of Steel run, which technically wasn't the first Superman. But I'm getting off topic.

Here's the thing. In the last week, I've eaten a lot of sh*t because I said I didn't enjoy Deadpool because the comedy wasn't working for me. Because of this, everyone seems to assume I have a problem. No, it's no fault of the movie that I'm not laughing; I'm just not the intended audience for that kind of humour. To hit the nail over the head on this, what I'm getting at is just because this iteration of Superman is marketed to you, doesn't mean we have to like it, and certainly doesn't make us wrong for not liking it.

Now, if your just getting frustrated of saying "Just wait and see! I've read the script! You guys don't know what you're talking about!" over and over again, well, go to forums where people like reading ahead, or just be patient and let us discuss our feelings on the trailer. There's nothing wrong with that. No one told you to read ahead. So all we can do...

...is discuss what the studio has given us to whet our appetites; thats the point of trailers. We can judge it as marketing material, since its sole purpose of existing to to sell something to us. So if something really works for us, we can talk about why it worked. Ditto for what didn't work. And neither side is wrong. We can't break down things like the script since theres no product to break down yet.

But scripts can be broken down and dissected. There's some structures it must conform to in order for it to actually work.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that Man of Steel is an awfully written movie lacking so much structure, motivation, and payoff that its a fundamentally flawed film. It's broken in so many aspects its amazing anyone actually defends it. But what do I know? I only studied film for years, graduated from film school, and am working inside a writers room for prime time television. Does that mean your wrong for liking it? No. Does that mean you can't get something out of it? Of course not. If it moves you and makes you think or feel something, it did its job as an escapist medium. But does that mean, factually, that the script is good? No. Because movies aren't just words on a blank page; there's a whole lotta razzle dazzle like acting, editing, special effects, sound design, and other stuff going on to trick you into feeling things. And if those things combined with a bad script still made you feel something, then the movie did it's job. But not the script. Dear God, not the script.

So when the movie comes out, I'm sure we'll all gladly sit down and talk about it. But it's not here yet. So don't get pissy when people who haven't read the script think it's not going to be a good movie. The only thing we've offered is our general feelings and opinions on what we've seen. So I'm not wrong in thinking that Affleck will be the only redeeming thing about the movie. I'm sure your chomping at the bit to explain why thats not the case, but whose fault is that? Just hold your horses.

Leo, listen dude. I've learned over the years(and most recently in our Smallville talk in the Supergirl thread) that you have a very concrete version of who Superman is in your head. And that's perfectly fine. All of us pretty much do. The difference here is you're the only one who seems to be prancing around saying yours is right and ours is wrong. None of our Supermen are wrong; that mentality of yours is. And when it bubbles to the surface here, its embarrassing as all hell. Now I'm sure you "Don't give a damn!" what our opinion of you is around here. But at least try to come around to the understanding that nobody is wrong when it comes to opinion at the very least for the sake of forum harmony. Because tantrums like that make the forum an unhappy place to visit. And this place is bad enough with the conflicting Turtles fandoms :lol:

Haha. Someone calling themselves the "DC Authority around here" while putting down people that like the Marvel movies and also saying Zack Snyder made a movie that is too smart for the general public is too good for one post.
Quick shout out for making me choke on my coffee for the chuckle you caused :D

[CyberCubed]

Krutch, the arguments were over last night. Can we move on? :roll:

[NinjaPug]

It made more money than both Captain America's, both Thor's, The Amazing Spider-Man, the 89 Batman and every X-men movie according to Box Office Mojo.

Cap 2, ASM, and the most recent X-Men were higher globally. It's weird to compare it to the 89 Batman due to inflation.

MoS had a production budget of $225 million which is why it's box office was so disappointing.

[Krutch]

Wait, what? It is? Dammit, I'm always late to these things... :cry:

[Commenter 42]

Nah, you're right on time...

You know, it's funny how those of us that went to film school and work in the industry, seem to agree that MOS was a terrible film.

Funny, Like ha ha funny, you know? You know that funny?

I'll also throw in that Deadpool doesn't look to be all that funny, or at least, my kind of funny.

More funny BVS news here. (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/according-to-computer-scientists-batman-v-superman-only-has-a-a131151)

32% seems generous if you ask me. The last time something was this uncertain and expensive, Kevin Costner was sexy.

[CyberCubed]

BATMAN is in this film. I think you're forgetting this isn't just a Superman film.

Huge Batman fans like myself, and those curious to see Batfleck, will want to see this film. Batman has a HUGE audience. Even the people who don't care for Superman in general want to see this film.

Its the goddamn Batman. The most popular superhero of all time. Not a single person living in the U.S. doesn't know who Batman is.

[Commenter 42]

yeah, but do the math man...

400 million (est) budget
Marketing is usually 1/2 the budget, so tack on another 200 million.

ASM2 had to make back 750 million to break even. ASM2 wasn't that terrible, but it sure as hell wasn't what the fans wanted. The negative buzz was pretty similar to this... started positive...built to a crescendo, then went negative months out from release, and by the time it hit theatres it was already being called the worst movie ever.

So the real question is, just how many times will Cybercubed pony up $15; if it's as devisive as they say, will the multiple viewings of Star Wars play out again here, or will it be a curiosity that dies in it's second weekend?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I would be not at all surprised if those statistics were true. WB seems to me to be jumping into the DCEU too fast and too hard, without proper budgeting.

ASM2 wasn't that terrible

Oh, yes it was.

[Bry]

It made more money than both Captain America's, both Thor's, The Amazing Spider-Man, the 89 Batman and every X-men movie according to Box Office Mojo.

Domestically. Worldwide is another matter.

Man of Steel made $668 million worldwide. Meanwhile, Captain America: The Winter Soldier made $714.4 million worldwide, X-Men: Days of Future Past made $747.9 million worldwide, The Amazing Spider-Man made $757.9 million worldwide, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 made $709 million worldwide, and adjusted for inflation Batman '89 made $772.8 million worldwide.

(Of the movies listed, Man of Steel also had the largest second-week drop percentage in the box office, though it was pretty much tied with X-Men: Days of Future Past there.)

Granted, box office take isn't necessarily a sign of quality, but it can be a sign of appeal.

[sdp]

The world premier is in my city but getting tickets will be nearly impossible..


Watched the Nolan trilogy and also Green Lantern and man the trilogy totally works as a prequel to this movie, of course there'll be some continuity mistakes but until it's completely contradicted I'll keep it in my headcanon as in continuity, same with the GL film which isn't that bad, it just isn't good so since we likely won't be getting any GL origins this will have to do.

[Commenter 42]

Oh, yes it was.


Meh, in my opinion, not MOS bad, GL bad, Ghost Rider, Dare-Devil, Spider-Man 3...

It was childish, and had some really ballz moments, but not a terrible film in the same league as say, Fant4stic.

...outta 10 it get's a 6.5.

My point is the hyperbole online made it sound like it was an abomination akin to Leonard 6.

Garfield is still the best Spider-man to date.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I never really thought Daredevil or GL were really all THAT bad. Floptastic, sure, but even Ghost Rider had a few redeeming qualities. Sam Elliot for one.

I'm not really invested in this movie, TBH. Might go see it just for the shell of it, but like I've said before, it just feels too colorless and cold. I just don't get any emotion from this. It feels sterile and dull, so.... *shrugs*

[sdp]

while that may be true I'll take this movie any day over the Marvel cookie-cutter stank they've been crapping out for years now, it's a breath of fresh air.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I keep hearing people call it cookie-cutter, yet every hero's movies have a different feel and tone, and it's only in the team films that they are "the same". Thor's movies were VERY different from Cap's, and Stark's, for that matter. Ant-Man had almost NOTHING in common with the rest. Ditto for GotG. It's a comic story, so I GET that it's going to be "Good guys discover bad guys trying to take over/destroy/whatever the world, fight said bad guys, save the day"= The End." That's what comics DO. Even Winter Soldier shook things up by having Hydra infiltrate SHIELD and basically destroy it from the inside, Ultron wanted to wipe out humanity (which is what he ALWAYS wants) and Thanos is after "Ultimate Power"- a thread that is still going on.

If these are cookie-cutter movies, the cookies are all made in fun holiday shapes so that no two are exactly the same shape. We've got vibranium shield cookies sitting next to metal helmet cookies, hammer-shaped cookies, little ant cookies, and even a big green monster cookie. And apparently, a couple of tree-shaped ones. These ain't your plain-Jane round cookies! Then there are the X-shaped ones and now a black and red one with eyes, all from Fox. (There was also a malformed 4-shaped one, but it was only half-baked, so....) You get the idea. Each one has it's own personality and heart, the characters are all "real" people, that we can relate to on a personal level. Bat-vigilante vs Flying Boy-Scout? Not so much.

[CyberCubed]

Why are Marvel and DC fans at war in this thread. I guess the age old battle never ends.

We'll be in the year 2050 and they'll still be people whining about the then future Batman/Superman/Spiderman/X-men/Avenger movies.

[Sumac]

Speculation: IMO, the main problem with MOS was not even the problems with box office, but general reception. DC wanted it to be "New and Awesome Universally Acclaimed Return of Superman", but it was not so new and not so awesome and was rather divisive, which is the last thing you need, when you build enormous universe, which in many ways lives of the good will of the viewers. It was more of psychological wound, rather than the real one. Akin to: "What?! We did everything by the book, took only the best ingredients, which were prepared by the best cooks in the house...and final result is still not satisfying?! What we need to do?!"

Warners did everything in their power to keep it stylistically close to mega popular "Nolanman trilogy" and added "visioner" Snyder in the mix. In their minds it might have seem like a flawless combination, but in reality it resulted in a very strange hybrid.

Which resulted in them changing things on the fly and hastily turning MOS2 into Batman feat. Superman feat. Justice League. Although, I suspect they don't have clear idea why MOS was not a supermasterpiece and at this point just throw **** at the wall, watching what sticks. Trailers look like they can't make up their mind what it should be - more of the same MOS-style or something more lighthearted and closer to Marvel.

Also, I bet Deadpool success confused the heck out of them.

Batman presence can help, but will it save, if all other elements are not so good, theoretically speaking?

[Netkeeper]

You know, it's funny how those of us that went to film school and work in the industry, seem to agree that MOS was a terrible film.

Funny, Like ha ha funny, you know? You know that funny?
This part of this post is making my insides crawl and I just can't not mention it. Why do you seem to think your opinion is fact? Why are you trying to pass it off that way just because to you, movies are work and not just a hobby?

Or this is just a blatant display of how you may be in the industry, but you certainly haven't been in it for very long with that sort of behaviour. Like as if boasting about it [in a subtle way so it doesn't get detected as easily] will get people to listen to you more because, again, it's not just a hobby at this point, it's your work. You said it yourself.

Okay, carry on. I just wanted to put this down on the table so everyone can see it.

[Commenter 42]

A hamburger should be a hamburger; Ice cream is ice cream.
It's obvious. This isn't day vs night; this is Sappy vs Angry.

When the best thing about Batman V Superman is Wonder Woman... well, why bother with the title at all?

[Commenter 42]

This part of this post is making my insides crawl and I just can't not mention it. Why do you seem to think your opinion is fact? Why are you trying to pass it off that way just because to you, movies are work and not just a hobby?

Or this is just a blatant display of how you may be in the industry, but you certainly haven't been in it for very long with that sort of behaviour. Like as if boasting about it [in a subtle way so it doesn't get detected as easily] will get people to listen to you more because, again, it's not just a hobby at this point, it's your work. You said it yourself.

Okay, carry on. I just wanted to put this down on the table so everyone can see it.


It's a response to Leo, claiming I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm sorry if you felt I was bragging, but then again, I'm not. I busted my f*cking ass to be who I am and get where I am, and I'm proud as hell of it. It took half my life.

If I were a cop, would you say the same thing? I'm not saying my opinion is more important, I'm saying, it's justified.

[Krutch]

I'm not speaking on behalf of C-42, as he's the one who wrote that, but he's actually correct in my experience at least. All my coworkers and old film school mates seem to shred apart Man of Steel and the only people I've met who genuinely enjoy the movie haven't gone to film school or work in the industry.

The reason I brought up I'm in film was to say that, unlike movies which are subjective to taste, a script can actually be critiqued as a craft. There are rules it needs to adhere to in order to function correctly. I studied story structure for years and am making a career out of it, so I feel like I have a little credibility in saying that Man of Steel is a broken script.

I wasn't bringing it up for no reason :P I was just offering where my perspective comes from :)

[plastroncafe]

A hamburger should be a hamburger; Ice cream is ice cream.
It's obvious. This isn't day vs night; this is Sappy vs Angry.

When the best thing about Batman V Superman is Wonder Woman... well, why bother with the title at all?

Because boys won't watch things with girl names.

[Commenter 42]

Because boys won't watch things with girl names.

:P

also

:P

and one more :P

[Candy Kappa]

I just wanna see men and women in tight spandex beat each other up in back alleys. :P

[Krutch]

I just wanna see men and women in tight spandex beat each other up in back alleys. :P

Too bad leathers not your thing or I'd recommend watching the CW ;)

[Candy Kappa]

Leather is a good substitute despite it's over use in Singer's X-men movies. :P

Arrow, Flash and Legends is good fun. The CW Angsty Teen Drama can be a bit too much at times, but I muscle through.

[Commenter 42]

I can't get through anything on the CW, but I gotta admit, King Shark was very impressive, if brief. I really loved that design and scale. PDMT wishes it looked that good; ultra impressive on a microbudget.

Somebody deserves a golden cookie for that. :)

[Netkeeper]

If I were a cop, would you say the same thing? I'm not saying my opinion is more important, I'm saying, it's justified.
I don't really know how to answer this, because if you were a cop my behaviour would be far different due to previous traumatic experiences. Not a good example in my particular case.

Not that I really understand why it's relevant, since cops are nothing like film industry workers. Unless you're trying to say cops have credible authority on Batman or Superman, which is a hilarious thought but I'm reasonably sure isn't what you're saying! :P

I'm not speaking on behalf of C-42, as he's the one who wrote that, but he's actually correct in my experience at least. All my coworkers and old film school mates seem to shred apart Man of Steel and the only people I've met who genuinely enjoy the movie haven't gone to film school or work in the industry.

The reason I brought up I'm in film was to say that, unlike movies which are subjective to taste, a script can actually be critiqued as a craft. There are rules it needs to adhere to in order to function correctly. I studied story structure for years and am making a career out of it, so I feel like I have a little credibility in saying that Man of Steel is a broken script.

I wasn't bringing it up for no reason :P I was just offering where my perspective comes from :)
Okay, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to enjoy it at all. Something can be broken and have a ******** of flaws but people are still allowed to like it. And guess what? I liked Man of Steel. A lot. And I don't like Superman.

[Krutch]

Okay, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to enjoy it at all. Something can be broken and have a ******** of flaws but people are still allowed to like it. And guess what? I liked Man of Steel. A lot. And I don't like Superman.Maybe you skipped my big rant about everyone having the right to like or dislike what they want earlier(and I wouldn't blame you if you did:lol:). You can like the movie as much as you want. Hell, you can enjoy the script as much as you like. You're completely within your right to do so. The enjoyment factor is not what i'm getting at since thats completely subjective person to person.

But you can, objectively, look at a script and tell if its strong or not by judging it's merits. How it handles character motivations, if it has plot holes, inconsistencies, continuity errors, whether or not theres pathos, how the story is structured, how the themes they are trying to address are incorporated into the story....so many of these things you can actually say if they got right or wrong, since they aren't subjective to taste.

(To be clear, I'm not bashing anyone for liking Man of Steel. Or Deadpool. Or Twilight. Or Mr Holland's Opus. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not enjoyable to someone out there :D)

[CyberCubed]

Krutch where in the film industry do you work? You said you work for some TV show? I'm curious since you bring it up here.

[Krutch]

Check your inbox ;)

[myconius]

i've been really looking forward to this film for a long time.
i trust Zack Snyder's sense of cinematography, and know we'll get an action packed movie.

i'm not really worried about Ben Affleck being cast as Batman. my only real concern is seeing David S. Goyer as a co-writer.

[Commenter 42]

I don't really know how to answer this, because if you were a cop my behaviour would be far different due to previous traumatic experiences. Not a good example in my particular case.

Not that I really understand why it's relevant, since cops are nothing like film industry workers. Unless you're trying to say cops have credible authority on Batman or Superman, which is a hilarious thought but I'm reasonably sure isn't what you're saying! :P


Okay, but that doesn't mean people aren't allowed to enjoy it at all. Something can be broken and have a ******** of flaws but people are still allowed to like it. And guess what? I liked Man of Steel. A lot. And I don't like Superman.

I think you may want to re-read your response. The inference was clear, and you're intentionally being obstinate.

Sorry, my dance cards full.

[myconius]

....day verses night

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ginuVD2oGJA/U1PRDdk5XfI/AAAAAAAAKfs/9Qy9yiivAxY/s1600/Seinfeld+Slap+Fight.gif

[Commenter 42]

....day verses night

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ginuVD2oGJA/U1PRDdk5XfI/AAAAAAAAKfs/9Qy9yiivAxY/s1600/Seinfeld+Slap+Fight.gif

Pretty much.

[Coola Yagami]

I'll see how it goes. My prob with MOS is that they tried too hard to Nolanize Superman instead of just letting Superman be himself.

BVS is a mess they keep adding on to. It went to being a sequel to MOS, to a Batman movie (cause basically everyone is really going to see it just for Batman) to now a wannabe Justice League movie. And I'm glad the script is finished cause it felt like they kept piling on more and more characters every other week. Still not a fan of Doomsday being a Zod clone. Yes, I know Doomsday is technically a clone of Kryptonian DNA... but he was never Zod. And he never looked like Bio Brolly either... Still don't see how Batman can do anything to Superman without Kryptonite, even in the comic Green Arrow hit him with a Kryptonite arrow to help out. Is the movie somehow gonna cram the discovery and explanation of Kryptonite in an already busy-as-all-hell movie? Also not a fan of 'Jim Carrey was too busy to play him' Lex Luthor either.

And I'm glad Wonder Woman is finally hitting the big screen, even though they prove they still can't do a Wonder Woman movie right (apparently they've been trying for years to work out some way to give her a movie)... so let's put her in a Batman movie and hope the fans want to see her in a potential solo movie at last.

I still see this movie as a sloppy rush to catch up with the Avengers. They turned a Superman Sequel, to a Batman VS movie, to a pre-Justice League movie, all to catch up with the Avengers.

The latest trailer does look sweet though. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. But I still see it as too many cooks in the kitchen.

Still curious how Suicide Squad fits into all this. Will that take place in modern day with a Batman in his prime, while BVS takes place more in the future with the aged Batman? They keep saying Suicide Squad fits in with this new continuity but I don't know how.

[Amaranthus]

I hate you guys.

[myconius]

what's funny is when i first posted this epic battle of the titans here-

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ginuVD2oGJA/U1PRDdk5XfI/AAAAAAAAKfs/9Qy9yiivAxY/s1600/Seinfeld+Slap+Fight.gif

i should have elaborated with -

Day vs. Night

Geek vs. Geek

those who are exited to see the movie vs. those just looking to troll on the movie.

in all honesty i was not at all happy with the choice for Ban Affleck when it was first announced. but i'm not going to lie, i was planning on seeing the movie anyway cuz i LOVE Batman!
i've seen every single live-action Batman Movie in the theatre since the 1989 Tim Burton film, so seeing BvS is just a given.

now i didn't exactly love MoS when i saw it in the theatre, but i did find it very entertaining.

there's certain aspects of this BvS movie that i'm not 100% thrilled with, BUT i am really looking forward to seeing this movie in the theatre!
more than likely twice on opening weekend, and maybe even again the following weekend if it's really good?

there have been plenty of recent movies that have come out that tons of people love while i on the other-hand absolutely hated!
but i'm not going to waste my time and energy going into explicit detail of what i hated about it.

number one- if i don't like it, why think about it?

and number two- i've got much better things to do with my day.

some people just enjoy the misery.

[CyberCubed]

The movie will be good.

[myconius]

The movie will be good.

strike that - the movie will be AWESOME!!!

[Krutch]

I hate you guys.

But we luuuuuuuuuuv youuuuuuuuuu!

[plastroncafe]

strike that - the movie will be AWESOME!!!

Yes, but in the traditional sense of the word.

[Commenter 42]

I think to be fair, we're all suffering the effects of confirmation bias; some more than others.

I am willing to put money on my prediction, but I'm also confident that no matter what anyone says, some folks just won't eat crow.

Yes, but in the traditional sense of the word.

Shirley, you can't be serious.

[Netkeeper]

I think you may want to re-read your response. The inference was clear, and you're intentionally being obstinate.

Sorry, my dance cards full.
No I'm not, dude. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. That cops' opinions are allowed to be considered fact? That they get a free pass to do what other people can't? I mean, the latter seems to totally be true in their case, but again, it doesn't make sense given the context, so I have no idea what you're even trying to say.

[Commenter 42]

As a professional, one has more insight than the layperson, and might be more critical of the work of other professionals.
Swap Cop for Lawyer, Baker or Candlestick maker, if that suits your sensibilities more.
Film is a business that requires skilled labor, the quality of which can, and should be quantified.

Hope that clears things up.

[plastroncafe]

Shirley, you can't be serious.

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/airplane-dont-call-me-shirley.gif

[Commenter 42]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/5c/cd/d4/5ccdd480c68a5ff0ac35795a78d84968.jpg

[Netkeeper]

As a professional, one has more insight than the layperson, and might be more critical of the work of other professionals.
Swap Cop for Lawyer, Baker or Candlestick maker, if that suits your sensibilities more.
Film is a business that requires skilled labor, the quality of which can, and should be quantified.

Hope that clears things up.
It still doesn't seem like a very good comparison since law enforcement and film are so different, as film is more of an art... in which case, a better comparison would probably be something more like chef? But once I've got that cleared up, I think I'm confident in saying, yeah, I'd still tell you the same thing. I don't really know what that MEANS, though. :V

I don't have anything against you, I'm just informing you that your post got me really worked up. I'm still pretty worked up, but also a bit mentally exhausted at the moment. http://i.imgur.com/JFYh7lJ.gif

[Krutch]

Not to butt in here, but since I also referenced working in film, it still feels directed at me as well.

We're just critiquing the craftsmanship behind the movie, having hands on experience to compare it to. Our opinion on if the movie is enjoyable is no more correct than yours. But as far as the work put into it, we may just have a more firm understanding of what we're seeing than most. Saying we work in film doesn't give our opinion any more credibility than anyone else. But as far as the ins and outs of what comprises the product... we may have an edge on what we're talking about ;)

But speaking of opinions, I find it very revealing that you don't like Superman yet love Man of Steel. That almost goes with my opinion that they didn't get Superman right at all :lol: What about Man of Steel did you like that separated it from the rest of Superman stuff that you couldn't get into?

[Slade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM&feature=youtu.be



Saw this on another forum, I thought it was interesting, while being a little too informative may be the word. I'm sure SOME of you would just love to tear it apart and say how WRONG it is though..

[Commenter 42]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5-14rjWUM&feature=youtu.be



Saw this on another forum, I thought it was interesting, while being a little too informative may be the word. I'm sure SOME of you would just love to tear it apart and say how WRONG it is though..

Superman wasn't created to be a Christian Allegory, the creators were Jewish, for a start. Secondly, superimposing jesus was one of the biggest issues I had with the film; there may be parallels, as most hero myths have strong parallels, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a space Jesus. He could be a space Horus, a space Krishna, a space Dionysus, or even a space Odysseus.

I'd mentioned this before; Jesus is Jesus, Superman is Superman; don't be lazy (speaking to Snyder et al. not yourself).

[plastroncafe]

Superman wasn't created to be a Christian Allegory, the creators were Jewish, for a start. Secondly, superimposing jesus was one of the biggest issues I had with the film; there may be parallels, as most hero myths have strong parallels, but that doesn't mean he's automatically a space Jesus. He could be a space Horus, a space Krishna, a space Dionysus, or even a space Odysseus.

I'd mentioned this before; Jesus is Jesus, Superman is Superman; don't be lazy (speaking to Snyder et al. not yourself).

Except that he's kind of Space Moses.
:D

[Slade]

Yeah I thought it was more interesting with the parallels to child birth.

[Netkeeper]

Not to butt in here, but since I also referenced working in film, it still feels directed at me as well.

We're just critiquing the craftsmanship behind the movie, having hands on experience to compare it to. Our opinion on if the movie is enjoyable is no more correct than yours. But as far as the work put into it, we may just have a more firm understanding of what we're seeing than most. Saying we work in film doesn't give our opinion any more credibility than anyone else. But as far as the ins and outs of what comprises the product... we may have an edge on what we're talking about ;)
Butt in all you like, I don't mind, your response was easy for me to get.

Yeah, see, I'm talking more about opinions than the technical structure of the movie, I guess, if my wording makes any sense. In this thread, it really feels like the people that didn't like MoS keep trying to sway the ones that DO like it into admitting it's terrible. Like. That just really rubs me the wrong way. Just because someone likes a clearly flawed work doesn't give anyone, film industry or not, the right to shove in their faces just how flawed it is, when the information was never asked for. When we feel like digesting that information, we seek it out.

Idk, I say "we" and even though I'm not emotionally invested in the topic of Superman, I know others here probably are. It's just an unnecessarily aggressive way of going about things. I know it couldn't feel great, because I experience much the same way because I like a LOT of clearly flawed and very "inferior" work [my interest in dubbed anime particularly gets people's goats] and it makes me feel isolated and lonely. I'm sure it can't be an intention, but that's definitely how that kind of attitude comes across to some people and should be noted when you're trying to speak about your experience.

But speaking of opinions, I find it very revealing that you don't like Superman yet love Man of Steel. That almost goes with my opinion that they didn't get Superman right at all :lol: What about Man of Steel did you like that separated it from the rest of Superman stuff that you couldn't get into?
A combination of factors, really. Superman is a comics-based franchise and I don't really do western comics very much, and that topic by itself is a whole discussion of its own that I'm open to talking about, but here may not be the best place for it. The other main reason is the only big exposure to the character I've had was from the cartoons, which I remember being [I]good, just not entertaining. They didn't really grab my attention but I didn't have anything against them either.

In Man of Steel they very well could have ****ed up Superman's character, and I don't know enough about him in other media to really say, but what I saw I liked because it made him feel more... real, I guess? They presented the character in a way that made me give a **** about HIM, for the first time pretty much ever, for me. Maybe I'm just the sort of person it was meant to appeal to.

[Commenter 42]

MOS superman was almost the antithesis of who Superman has always been. The characterization was of an angry, petulant brat, who would do something great, then mope about because he's different. Superman isn't meant to be just like us with superpowers, he's what we aspire to be; Many people, especially today, love to see only themselves on the screen, and only that reflected. I would argue, there's something to be said for a hero to look up to, instead of across from.

They played the martyr card too, which I find deeply disturbing. Superman typically isn't looking for gratitude, helping others because he can; he's selfless, not selfish.

Add to that the slanted view of science as evil sprinkled throughout the film...it's almost unconscionable.

I'm not sure how to address Netkeeper's post. I think I'll leave that to Krutch, except to say that Filmmaking is very similar to a Magic, once you learn how the trick was done, you'll never watch it the same way again, nor ever again experience that specific magic. It's this trade off that gives the filmmaker a different viewpoint, one might even argue, a more informed opinion.

If you can't reconcile that, I can't help you.

[Turo602]

After reading a lot of these posts, I can definitely see why Leo had an outburst.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm done with this thread, but I came across an extremely detailed article on Forbes regarding this and I figured, what the hell, I'll drop it in as an epilogue.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/02/19/relax-fans-batman-v-superman-wont-flop-despite-rumors/#1bc6ea6770bb

If anything, this whole thread has given me a slight twinge of sympathy for the Platinum Dunes TMNT fans, and their franchise is inarguably and explicitly garbage... but whaddaya gonna do.

[Commenter 42]

Yeah I thought it was more interesting with the parallels to child birth.

You're going to force me to sit through the whole video then? lol...
ok...fine.

@Cylon ok bye bye then!

[Shark_Blade]

Has anyone seen the batshit quality toys they churned for this movie? Talk about appalling.

[Commenter 42]

Has anyone seen the batshit quality toys they churned for this movie? Talk about appalling.

You mean like this:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12716720_1555999864690775_1310127848_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTE4NzQ3OTE3MTg2MjA2NDAzOA%3D%3D.2

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12317483_424702187726672_281948223_n.jpg

[Papenbrook]

Why does this thread have an "obesepanda" tag?

[Amaranthus]

Why does this thread have an "obesepanda" tag?

Does it offend you, you little snot?

[Commenter 42]

I don't see any tags...

[Slade]

I don't see any tags...


Dun dun dun

[Commenter 42]

Lol, no, but seriously... what did I miss?

[Amaranthus]

Does it offend you, you little snot?

Lmao, little snot.
That's hilarious.

[Candy Kappa]

You mean like this:

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12716720_1555999864690775_1310127848_n.jpg?ig_cach e_key=MTE4NzQ3OTE3MTg2MjA2NDAzOA%3D%3D.2

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12317483_424702187726672_281948223_n.jpg

http://i61.tinypic.com/15n9d2r.jpg

Perfection.

[Commenter 42]

http://i61.tinypic.com/15n9d2r.jpg

Perfection.

Even Afflecks toy could use....



a little...


....




Plastic surgery!!!!

...

https://38.media.tumblr.com/a5501c66b68589d1dd22602dccc1156e/tumblr_n2v88rCyti1qbtpjao1_400.gif

[Candy Kappa]

http://i.giphy.com/K2R831kr4IXte.gif

[Vicky82]

Running time is 2 hours and 31 mins.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/amc-releases-running-time-for-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-a131293

[Commenter 42]

2hrs and 31minutes!!!

That's 2hrs and 30 minutes too long!

https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/372/c/80/1/the-muppets-statler-and-waldorf.jpg

[CyberCubed]

I bet all that extra time is for Batman scenes they added to the movie.

[Candy Kappa]

2hrs and 31minutes!!!

That's 2hrs and 30 minutes too long!

https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/372/c/80/1/the-muppets-statler-and-waldorf.jpg

That 1 minute is probably Aquaman, so the best part of the whole movie.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/d7bf6dee341f625e0cf85a55e85ef98c/tumblr_mjfzfyXiRH1rga96ao7_250.gif

[Krutch]

After reading a lot of these posts, I can definitely see why Leo had an outburst.I know, right? A clashing of opinions on a message board? Say it ain't so!

I'm done with this threadAdiós!

I think I'll give watching that Thesis video another shot. I tried watching it a few months ago but gave up about 5 minutes in. Who knows? Maybe it gets around to making some interesting points. Thanks for the reminder!

[Turo602]

I know, right? A clashing of opinions on a message board? Say it ain't so!

Keep telling yourself that.

[TigerClaw]

2hrs and 31minutes!!!

That's 2hrs and 30 minutes too long!

https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/372/c/80/1/the-muppets-statler-and-waldorf.jpg
2 hours and 31 minutes is enough, 1st half would be Batman, 2nd Half Superman, and the last 31 minutes would be Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman fighting Doomsday.

[JTH]

2hrs and 31minutes!!!

That's 2hrs and 30 minutes too long!

https://media2.wnyc.org/i/620/372/c/80/1/the-muppets-statler-and-waldorf.jpg
http://www.comicplanetcultureforlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/deadpool-shocked.jpg

[Krutch]

Keep telling yourself that.I don't have to. I can read it. Pages of it.

[Turo602]

I don't have to. I can read it. Pages of it.

Well, at least we know you can read.

[Krutch]

Someones got his big boy voice on, I see :roll:

[Turo602]

Someones got his big boy voice on, I see :roll:

I got mine a long time ago. But I guess you still haven't hit puberty.

Anyway, this is beyond tired. It's hard to say we're derailing this thread since it's been nothing but stupidity for a long time now. Still, this is going nowhere. If you must have the last word, just message me with whatever snarky comeback you can think of or do it here if you want. Who really cares anymore? No one's opinions are going to change so what's really left then to bitch and moan?

[Commenter 42]

But it's the bitching that gives this thread it's strength.

Don't be sore Ace, it's not like we're the ones who spoiled the entire movie including the ending and anything of interest that might happen in the 2 and a half hours they keep you hostage in-between.

We didn't ruin this movie, Snyder did; all we done gone and did was to points it out, cave trolls and all.

On the plus side, this is Snyders last rodeo with Superman, so there is a silver lining.

[Krutch]

I got mine a long time ago. But I guess you still haven't hit puberty.Aw, you chucklehead, you. Trying to get all catty :lol:

Anyway, this is beyond tired.
And yet, here you are.

It's hard to say we're derailing this thread since it's been nothing but stupidity for a long time now.
You're not helping.

If you must have the last word, just message me with whatever snarky comeback you can think of or do it here if you want. Who really cares anymore? No one's opinions are going to change so what's really left then to bitch and moan?You're young, but people change their opinions all the time. In this thread alone people have mentioned not liking Man of Steel out of the gate but had to give it time and re-evaluate to understand and enjoy it more. Quit trying to start sh*t and just talk about the movie. I don't expect a kid with a Batman V Superman avatar and signature to agree with me on the movie, nor have I said anyone is wrong for liking it in the first place. I don't need a snarky comment, kiddo :roll: I just like reading opinions and learning different perspectives. I've got an open mind. Hell, I want to like this movie. I hope its amazing. I hope my gut feelings on it turns out to be wrong. But so far the marketing hasn't done its job in convincing me.

Back to the movie...

I'm hoping it takes me by surprise. Aquaman is still something I'm really looking forward to seeing how they handle, his new aesthetic aside. I wonder if it will be similar to the ending of The New Frontier, where he just comes out at the last second to establish theres so much more to this world than it seems. Might fit in with the rumours that its just a bit more than a glorified cameo.

[Commenter 42]

I'm hoping it takes me by surprise. Aquaman is still something I'm really looking forward to seeing how they handle, his new aesthetic aside. I wonder if it will be similar to the ending of The New Frontier, where he just comes out at the last second to establish theres so much more to this world than it seems. Might fit in with the rumours that its just a bit more than a glorified cameo.

I still hate that they're using the perfect Lobo as Aquaman. C'mon, it's so easy!!!!

[Krutch]

I'm by no means a Lobo guy but yeah, I see what you mean.

Honestly, just being a long time Aquaman fan, I just hope whatever they bring to the table goes over well, even if its really off base. I know thats a bit of a contradiction considering how I feel about them totally missing the point of what I think Superman is, but Aquamans had such a bad rep for so long, he deserves to have a moment where people think he's awesome.

And Aquaman is not as important of a character in the social zeitgeist as Supes. You're allowed more flexibility in reworking him.

[Commenter 42]

Agreed. There's a lot you can do with that character; he could be incredible, done right.

Even though it was a joke, Cameron doing Aquaman might have made sense.

[plastroncafe]

If there's going to be an Aqua-man that isn't Batman: Brave and the Bold inspired, then I'm glad he's going to be played by Jason Momoa.
That's a man who can smolder.

[Candy Kappa]

I still hate that they're using the perfect Lobo as Aquaman. C'mon, it's so easy!!!!

Danny Trejo would be an amaze Lobo.

Or they should go all out and do Lobo the Duck :P

If there's going to be an Aqua-man that isn't Batman: Brave and the Bold inspired, then I'm glad he's going to be played by Jason Momoa.
That's a man who can smolder.

Omg, yes. The video where a paparazzi asks if he can swim, that face.

[Krutch]

Based on the writers and the director involved, its really hard to guess the quality for the Aquaman movie. They've all done some decent stuff(Saw, Insidious, Furious 7) but then again, they've also done some absolute garbage(Red Riding Hood, Wrath of the Titans, Dead Silence). It's actually intriguing how they all come from a background in horror. Could make for some fun underwater spookiness.

[Commenter 42]

hmmm..is Aquaman really a horror story? I guess you could go that way...
Also, Saw might be considered "good" (the first one), Insidious ... sort of, but Furious 7? lol, nononononononononono.

The name Danny Trejo immediately conjures a picture of a corned beef sandwich in my head. Maybe that's just me...
Aquaman should address the state of the oceans. It may not be a sexy topic, but it's an opportunity to inform the kiddies.

[NinjaPug]

Looks like those rumors about Snyder being removed and Justice League being delayed are BS. Shooting begins 4/11.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/02/21/justice-league-starts-April-11

[Netkeeper]

hmmm..is Aquaman really a horror story? I guess you could go that way...
Hey, there's some terrifying **** underwater, after all.

[Commenter 42]

There really isn't anything more terrifying on Earth, than human beings.

[Commenter 42]

The 2grand 43" 1/2 scale Prime 1 Batfleck.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12711321_1021162274617280_6562946633076728819_o.jp g

Yet, when I was a kid;

http://www.megomuseum.com/wgsh/images/packaging/batmancard77.jpg

http://www.worldsgreatesttoys.com/images/blog/counterdisplays/73cat_heroes.jpg

https://www.justcollecting.com/preview/M1576_USJQUNNIIQ.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/d7/43/7d/d7437dff5f58bfd0fae2013fec5a039c.jpg

[Krutch]

hmmm..is Aquaman really a horror story? I guess you could go that way...
Like I said, I don't care what way they go with him so long as it works. And I think having a superhero horror movie could be interesting.

Also, Saw might be considered "good" (the first one), Insidious ... sort of, but Furious 7? lol, nononononononononono.
Hey, HEY. I said decent. And I haven't seen any of the FatF movies since the first but this one has The Rock, so... I'm giving it a blind pass :D

Looks like those rumors about Snyder being removed and Justice League being delayed are BS. Shooting begins 4/11.
Well... then let's just hope BvS isn't just BS.

Hey, there's some terrifying **** underwater, after all.You got that right. Some things look like they crawled straight out of Hell.

There really isn't anything more terrifying on Earth, than human beings.Visually, there's plenty. But I know what you mean, obviously.

[Commenter 42]

Hey, HEY. I said decent. And I haven't seen any of the FatF movies since the first but this one has The Rock, so... I'm giving it a blind pass :D

ahhh...I see... ok ... :P

[Netkeeper]

Well yeah humans are obviously the most frightening. But man, there's some downright evil looking things underwater. :V

[Commenter 42]

Lol... we have different ideas of beauty I suppose. The oceasn don't frighten me at all - what we're doing to them, does.



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nXyORH84-MA/UsCfHldFiHI/AAAAAAAAxQE/mCpKsiBGRF4/w506-h750/tumblr_mrz7lqPu6b1rolzjso1_400.gif
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/files/2015/06/octopus.jpg
http://images.sciencetimes.com/data/images/full/3013/jellyfish.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4018/4310017177_3fdbea9c49_b.jpg
http://pre02.deviantart.net/6dff/th/pre/f/2011/140/4/d/beauty_of_the_deep_sea_by_eresaw-d3grrq5.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Everyone should fear mantis shrimp.
Mother Nature makes things pretty to warn you!

[CyberCubed]

This will be a good movie. I am looking forward to it.

[Commenter 42]

All trailers, cut together.

uMBYddT8gi8

[Krutch]

That's a pretty good guess, I'd think. But I don't think that fight will be the very end of the movie. I'm pretty sure we're going to get a tacked on Death and Return of Superman.

I mean, why else would they choose Doomsday? I love the character, but let's be honest here. To most people the only thing he's known for is that he kills Superman. And if this whole movie is about Superman having to earn peoples trust, what better way than having him die defending them in front of everyone? Then we'll get a scene of him coming back to life(it'd make sense if Batman creates and gives him the black Superman suit which helps absorb the sun, resuscitating him back to life.) That's all just my guess, but it seems like the most common sense route to take based on everything we've seen.

So, all this talk about Man of Steel made me rewatch the movie for the first time in over a year(or two?). Wow. I'm thinking about making a movie breaking down my thoughts... I ended up with a ton of notes. If I ever get around to making it, I'll be sure to post it here for anyone who cares to hear me out.

[Commenter 42]

That's a pretty good guess, I'd think. But I don't think that fight will be the very end of the movie. I'm pretty sure we're going to get a tacked on Death and Return of Superman.

...
So, all this talk about Man of Steel made me rewatch the movie for the first time in over a year(or two?). Wow. I'm thinking about making a movie breaking down my thoughts... I ended up with a ton of notes. If I ever get around to making it, I'll be sure to post it here for anyone who cares to hear me out.

Maybe. I'll be honest, watching it all together, it's just as boring as MOS.

Funny how MOS doesn't get better over time, only worse.

[ZariusTwo]

This movie keeps getting all the right press[/sarcasm]

http://recknews.com/2016/02/legendary-dc-writer-passes-away-before-the-release-of-batman-v-superman/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The poorly-written article doesn't make it entirely clear whether WB was aware of the patient, but if they were, and actively said 'no', then that's just another reason for me to despise Warner like I have for years.

[NinjaPug]

According to the MPAA rating system WB is going to release an R rated version of BvS on Blu-Ray.

http://www.filmratings.com/search.html?filmTitle=Batman+v+superman&x=40&y=5

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if its for that Bruce Wayne/Diana sex scene. Maybe we get to see her boobies.

[ToTheNines]

What does everyone have for the over/under on when CyberCubed's mother stopped breast feeding?

[Coola Yagami]

This movie is going to be such a mess.... but at least it'll be an enjoyable somewhat entertaining mess. Like most people, I'm only in it to see their portrayal of Batman, to see how Suicide Squad fits into all this, and to see the fight between Supes and Bats. Everything is pretty much take it or leave it, and I guess I'll just roll with the punches as they try to cram the entire DC universe into less than 3 hours.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

to see how Suicide Squad fits into all this

It doesn't. I think SS takes place before BvS.

An R-rated cut is incredibly unnecessary. Maybe it'll be as full of substance as the Avatar extended cut and feature a new sex scene. :P

[Coola Yagami]

It doesn't. I think SS takes place before BvS.



Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They want to place Suicide Squad within the same continuity as MOS/BVS. I'm wondering how it's going to play out. Will we see a younger Batman in that one since this movie seems to be more about the older Dark Knight Returns Batman? Will Joker be dead by the time of BVS. Will there be any Superman references in Suicide Squad?

I also realized... it's pretty weird to start the Justice League with the already aged Dark Knight Returns Batman instead of when he's more in his prime...

[Commenter 42]

What does everyone have for the over/under on when CyberCubed's mother stopped breast feeding?

I'm giving ten-to-one on 4yrs +.

They just can't figure it out..."R rating? We gotta get an R rating...hurry up make it an R rating!"

[Krutch]

It really does sound like "Me too! Me too!"

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Of course. Practically every move DC/WB has made in recent years has been trying to play catch up. They came to the game WAAAY late.

[Amaranthus]

Of course. Practically every move DC/WB has made in recent years has been trying to play catch up. They came to the game WAAAY late.

Unlike Marvel that's been sh*tting out mediocre movies non-stop.
Jesus Christ. The only reason people will get sick of superhero movies is because Marvel is pooping them out at lightspeed.

[Commenter 42]

I don't get the Marvel vs Dc thing. MOS and BVS look to be, kind of terrible. GL was really terrible; but that doesn't mean they won't eventually get it right. Fox has made numerous bombs before Deadpool...and Marvel can botch their characters as well...

In the end, we all want quality, right? I think we just don't want reinvention, or reimagining, or retardation.

Fighting over which company is better is really dumb.

[plastroncafe]

But but but...don't you see? That side does superheroes wrong!

[Aaronardo]

I wonder if its for that Bruce Wayne/Diana sex scene. Maybe we get to see her boobies.

W...why...
Are you even listening to yourself right now? Since when did you go from calling everyone degenerates to acting like a horny teenager?

[Krutch]

W...why...
Are you even listening to yourself right now? Since when did you go from calling everyone degenerates to acting like a horny teenager?

Clearly you haven't seen the Supergirl thread :lol:

[Aaronardo]

Clearly you haven't seen the Supergirl thread :lol:

Huh, now that you mention it, I haven't.
One Minute Later...

Well they have the actress in skimpy outfits, that's probably the only reason to watch. Nah, scratch that, I'll just watch youtube clips of the shows best moments and skip the rest.

For f*ck's sake...

[sdp]

Why "R" rated and not just "unrated"? I don't think Deadpool has anything to do with this, DC has already released R rated superhero movies before and they wouldn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to a film that just came out two weeks ago.

As for the whole DC vs Marvel, it is silly, I prefer DC but Marvel is pretty great too and enjoy both universes. Its logical that people are going to compare the two franchises though, that's perfectly fine but people pick their side like a political party or sports team. And I do think Marvel fanboys are just bad sports overall as seen in this thread. I'm personally tired of so many Marvel movies and if I come off as harsh to Marvel its probably because I get fed up by all the blind praise the company gets. In the end I'm happy Marvel is doing tons of movies for when I'm in the mood for some Marvel heroes again, but I'll definitely point out how formulaic they are when they're being praised as good cinema.

[chrisdude]

Doesn't seem too farfetched of a knee-jerk reaction, to me. They, of course, already have the footage. I figure the decision to release an R-rated version could easily have been in reaction to Deadpool's success. These are the guys who announced this movie, with no work to show for it, just after Man of Steel underperformed in the box office. Even Snyder was on record saying that the Batman easter eggs in Man of Steel were just animators having fun. I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.

[JTH]

For all people know it could be about blood. Blood has always been the immediate bump up in ratings for years.

90% of the superhero movies that come out today would be "R" rated if they used blood to go with the language and adult content.

Hell, the 1990 TMNT movie is proof in itself. Had language, violence, violence on women on top of that, but had no blood. Thus it kept a "PG" rating. Any blood in the 90' TMNT Movie, and it would never have been PG.

[sdp]

Doesn't seem too farfetched of a knee-jerk reaction, to me. They, of course, already have the footage. I figure the decision to release an R-rated version could easily have been in reaction to Deadpool's success. These are the guys who announced this movie, with no work to show for it, just after Man of Steel underperformed in the box office. Even Snyder was on record saying that the Batman easter eggs in Man of Steel were just animators having fun. I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.

Deadpool is a comedy movie more than anything else so its annoying to see how "Deadpool is making R relevant again". MoS underperformed to expectations however it still made a crapload of money, it wasn't a bomb, it made tons of money. It is true that because of how it performed they ramped up the DCExtended Universe or whatever the hell they're calling it this week. But it was obviously they were going for that route but they wanted to slowly built it and after realizing with Green Lantern and MoS it wasn't working the one off approach they changed up MoS2 to have Batman have a small scene in it and it all slowly evolved into what we have now. So yeah its been nearly a decade since Marvel announced their plans and DC is only catching up, if anything this points out that they're not very quick to react to trends.

[chrisdude]

Deadpool is a comedy movie more than anything else so its annoying to see how "Deadpool is making R relevant again". MoS underperformed to expectations however it still made a crapload of money, it wasn't a bomb, it made tons of money. It is true that because of how it performed they ramped up the DCExtended Universe or whatever the hell they're calling it this week. But it was obviously they were going for that route but they wanted to slowly built it and after realizing with Green Lantern and MoS it wasn't working the one off approach they changed up MoS2 to have Batman have a small scene in it and it all slowly evolved into what we have now. So yeah its been nearly a decade since Marvel announced their plans and DC is only catching up, if anything this points out that they're not very quick to react to trends.Man of Steel made lots of money, but it was half what The Avengers made, and a whole lot less than the Batman movies WB was coming off of. For what they spent on the movie and marketing, they surely planned to get a lot closer to a billion.

And I don't know of any obvious indications that they were going the route of a connected universe before the day MoS released. The Dark Knight Trilogy was doing great while the Marvel universe was being built, and Man of Steel was already filmed by the time The Avengers destroyed the box office.

[sdp]

Man of Steel made lots of money, but it was half what The Avengers made, and a whole lot less than the Batman movies WB was coming off of. For what they spent on the movie and marketing, they surely planned to get a lot closer to a billion.

And I don't know of any obvious indications that they were going the route of a connected universe before the day MoS released. The Dark Knight Trilogy was doing great while the Marvel universe was being built, and Man of Steel was already filmed by the time The Avengers destroyed the box office.

That's exactly what I said, it underperformed expectations. DC was constantly asked about them making their crossover movies and they always dismissed it as we're taking our approach and see what works. Basically not saying they were doing it but not saying they weren't going to do it, it was obvious they just didn't know what to do but they wanted a piece of that pie. We'll never really know unless someone spoke about it which likely won't happen but I think the signs pointed to them wanting to do their own DCU movie verse slowly but after GL and Superman disappointed they took a different approach which took 3 years.. The point of all this though is the R rating is purely coincidental they didn't just decide that because 2 weeks earlier Deadpool did good numbers at the boxoffice.

[Krutch]

Why "R" rated and not just "unrated"? I don't think Deadpool has anything to do with this, DC has already released R rated superhero movies before and they wouldn't have such a knee-jerk reaction to a film that just came out two weeks ago.Because right now having an R rating is the big buzz. I mean, it could be coincidence, but releasing this information so soon after Deadpool's success? Right after Fox announces that another one of their movies(Wolverine) will also be rated R? It's marketing, guys. Capitalizing on what's working in the moment to get people hyped. They aren't wrong to do so, it's their job. But to say Studio A succeeds at making X, and two weeks later Studio B announce their plans for making X as well... You can't help but feel it's just not really just coincidence as it is capitalization.

If I had to guess, I have a feeling when we see this "R-Rated" BvS cut we're not going to feel like the rating is warranted.

I think this cinematic universe was Plan B, and they've been doing every damn thing on the fly.Methinkso, too. Ever since Snyder went on record saying he hadn't discussed any potential sequel plans until after MoS was released, this whole thing feels off the hip. Nothing about this movie feels like it isn't a direct response to the criticism of the first film. This is just a movie about course correction, and trying to play up that all the mistakes in the first movie were part of some grand plan. I'm not buying it.

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Just as a side, I've committed to making a video breakdown on my thoughts on Man of Steel. I tried looking online for videos that have already addressed the issues I have with it but haven't had any luck finding any. At 57 minutes into the movie, I have 22 pages of critique :/ This is going to be a bigger project than I thought... When I'm done putting it together, I'll post it here. But if I had to guess, this video is going to be over an hour long in length :teek:

[NinjaPug]

I think people are overthinking this. WB also released an R rated version of the final Hobbit movie last year. Plus the MPAA rating site said the R rating was given on 9/30/2015. Don't think Deadpool's success has anything to do with it.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm still in contact with Leo over on Facebook, he said there were supposedly some vicious flashbacks in the movie that might have warranted this rating.

[Commenter 42]

Just as a side, I've committed to making a video breakdown on my thoughts on Man of Steel. I tried looking online for videos that have already addressed the issues I have with it but haven't had any luck finding any. At 57 minutes into the movie, I have 22 pages of critique :/ This is going to be a bigger project than I thought... When I'm done putting it together, I'll post it here. But if I had to guess, this video is going to be over an hour long in length :teek:

Then you should definitely try and get it down to less than 30 minutes...cinema sins is rarely over 20 ... Then again, claiming you have more than an hour of critiques for MOS could help you go viral.

I totally agree that MOS is 80% er...wrong, so I'm not surprised at the 22pages, frankly.

Get it done man! :)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Unlike Marvel that's been sh*tting out mediocre movies non-stop.
Jesus Christ. The only reason people will get sick of superhero movies is because Marvel is pooping them out at lightspeed.

And that is why they have been performing SO WELL at the box office, right? Obviously most fans and/or movie goers don't consider them mediocre.

As for the speed they've been getting them out would you prefer they use DC's snail pace? At that rate they would end up having to change actors two or three times just because they would age too much in between! It's just common sense to try to make the most of the actors.

[Commenter 42]

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me loath Affleck.

Ben Affleck Rewrote Parts Of The BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE Script While In The Batsuit
(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/ben-affleck-rewrote-parts-of-the-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-a131469)

The guy's ego is so GD big. Maybe this really is who Batman would be IRL, I don't know; but if so, I hope he get's smacked around, a lot.

[Candy Kappa]

Maybe there's something to Reynold's joke about Affleck getting tasered for trying to take a suit home. He's wearing it all the time at work, and the film crew don't dare to think what happens if he wears it outside of the studio. :lol:

[ProactiveMan]

If I were him, it would be hard to get me out of it too.

[Krutch]

You see, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me loath Affleck. The guy's ego is so GD big.That may be the case, but I'll take Ben's creative hands on the movie over anyone else thats involved.

Then you should definitely try and get it down to less than 30 minutes...cinema sins is rarely over 20 ... Then again, claiming you have more than an hour of critiques for MOS could help you go viral.

I totally agree that MOS is 80% er...wrong, so I'm not surprised at the 22pages, frankly.

Get it done man! :)
Not really my intention to go viral... Like I said, I was just surprised that nobody has addressed most the issues I've noticed. Most people seem to be fixated on the fact its not their idea of Superman or Jonathan Kent projected on the screen, without actually addressing how nothing in the script makes a damn lick of sense.

33 pages in... they just started fighting in Smallville :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

Man of Steel is so boring tbh... but I'm really glad Superman killed that villain at the end. No more of this boy scout naivety with Supes. You just remove bad scum off permanently, that's how you do things right.

[ZariusTwo]

Man of Steel is so boring tbh... but I'm really glad Superman killed that villain at the end. No more of this boy scout naivety with Supes. You just remove bad scum off permanently, that's how you do things right.

Congratulations. You are not a Superman fan.

[Commenter 42]

without actually addressing how nothing in the script makes a damn lick of sense.


I think I'm in love...

As for Affleck, yeah, sure, fine, he might be better than Goyer, but as you're 33 pages will attest, a toddler might craft a better story.

My point, is that it's bad form to come on a show and throw your weight around like that, let alone do it while in a ****ing Batman costume.

So the oscar winning writer wasn't sufficient?

Guy is a clown. If I were in that situation, and the script was in dire need of rewrites, and the director had asked for my imput, the last thing I would do while promoting the film, would be to leak it to the press. It's bad form. The people who need to know, already do. That's enough.

Congratulations. You are not a Superman fan.

He's not even a proper troll. Obvious kid is obvious.

EDIT:

Everyone's been saying it, but it's a nice read none the less:

http://nerdist.com/deadpools-success-is-about-truth-in-character-not-raunch/

[Krutch]

As for Affleck, yeah, sure, fine, he might be better than Goyer, but as you're 33 pages will attest, a toddler might craft a better story.

Ain't that the truth!

My point, is that it's bad form to come on a show and throw your weight around like that, let alone do it while in a ****ing Batman costume. Bad form? Absolutey. But the visualization is hilarious:lol:

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So, I'm done watching the movie and ended up with 46 pages. That's only the plot analysis. I was planning on going into character breakdowns and touch on how they handled the love relationship between Lois and Clark. Then start editing!

EDIT: Spoken out loud, it came out 1 hour and 12 minutes. There's also 6 other moments that I wrote (explain later) because I had a lot more to say. I'm..... thinking I'm just going to stay with the plot analysis and skip the character breakdowns and such. This has turned into a much, much larger project.

[Commenter 42]

It's a must. You're speaking on behalf of every Superman Fan whose been told to "shut up" and "be happy you got a movie at all".

It's one thing to get tone, tone is subjective, I suppose, but the structure had me squirming in my seat, never mind the imbecilic logic of Snyder's world.

Can't. ****ing. Wait.

[Krutch]

Oh, it's happening. Should I just make a new thread though? I don't want to constantly redirect the thread to a Man of Steel debate...

[Commenter 42]

Maybe?

I'm excited. lol!

[Netkeeper]

I think it'd be appreciated if you guys made a new thread.

[Commenter 42]

I think it'd be appreciated if you guys made a new thread.

In that case, screw it, lets keep discussing it here. It's relevant, speaks to what we can expect in the sequel. A thorough breakdown of the the preceding story is important in setting up expectations.

[Netkeeper]

Um... dude. Not cool. Someone tells you it'd be nice if you made a new thread, so you say "nah"? What's your damage?

Go make a new thread, you child.

[Commenter 42]

You're a bit annoying. We're discussing the topic, you're back seat moding.

Cheers.

On Topic:

a few pages from the BVS comic (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/new-batman-v-supeman-prequel-comic-features-a-jealous-alfred-a131501)

Interesting that Bruce does squats in his Bat boots and tights.

[Slade]

You're a bit annoying. We're discussing the topic, you're back seat moding.

Cheers.

On Topic:

a few pages from the BVS comic (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/new-batman-v-supeman-prequel-comic-features-a-jealous-alfred-a131501)

Interesting that Bruce does squats in his Bat boots and tights.

Technically y'all are discussing your opinions of Man of Steel.


The back on topic part was added after I hit quote.

[Commenter 42]

Meh, BVS is the sequel, BVS isn't out yet, and MOS has been a topic of discussion all throughout the thread. There's plenty of precedent. :lol:

But seriously, dudes just stirring the pot, looking to play hall monitor. BVS won't have any more real news till the reviews pop up...

'til then, we're all just spinning wheels.

[Netkeeper]

No, you're trying to make everyone forget why I objected in the first place -- you childishly decided "nah I'm not gonna take this elsewhere just because someone else said they wanted it". That's a load of bull, and I won't stand for it.

[Commenter 42]

Everyone who?

Also, could you please stay to the topic of the thread? That would be swell.

[plastroncafe]

Technically y'all are discussing your opinions of Man of Steel.


The back on topic part was added after I hit quote.

I don't see how MOS is a derail when the topic at hand is it's sequel. Especially as the new one isn't out yet, but was made by the same creative team.

It's the only data point we really have for what to expect from the new movie.

[Amaranthus]

I love you.

[Slade]

I don't see how MOS is a derail when the topic at hand is it's sequel. Especially as the new one isn't out yet, but was made by the same creative team.

It's the only data point we really have for what to expect from the new movie.

MoS isn't a derail.

[Netkeeper]

I personally don't care if it's a derail or not. That isn't my point. But in case asshole-- I mean, 42, made you forget, this is my point:
I think it'd be appreciated if you guys made a new thread.
In that case, screw it, lets keep discussing it here.

8 year old.

[Amaranthus]

This is PD section type bullsh*t.

[Commenter 42]

Look, Adams is a great actress, and attractive enough, but she's so miscast here.

And don't give that "Lois was originally a red-head" nonsense. Superman was originally wearing red sandals and couldn't fly.

Anyway, new Adams pics here (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-star-amy-adams-stuns-in-new-a131522)

[Candy Kappa]

Lois was originally a redhead?

Lois' Power Girl costume makes no sense if she's wearing a red wig for hiding her identity, now. :lol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Lois was originally a redhead?


Nope, she had black hair since her comic debut.

[Commenter 42]

Lois was originally a redhead?

Lois' Power Girl costume makes no sense if she's wearing a red wig for hiding her identity, now. :lol:

As in, Noel Neill, the actress who playe Lois early on, was a red-head; in very early newspaper strips, she was also a red-head.

That's it. Not Cannon, at all.

Selma Blair, would own the role.

http://17r1l63fshd52dy9yakdizhkog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Selma-Blair-640x370.jpg

http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selma-blair-leggy-in-mini-dress-children-s-justice-campaign-event-in-beverly-hills-may-2015_1.jpg

[TigerClaw]

Looks like Carla Gugino provided her voice in the movie.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/it-sounds-like-carla-gugino-will-be-lending-her-voice-to-a131525

[TurtleTitan97]

As in, Noel Neill, the actress who playe Lois early on, was a red-head; in very early newspaper strips, she was also a red-head.

That's it. Not Cannon, at all.

Selma Blair, would own the role.

http://17r1l63fshd52dy9yakdizhkog.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Selma-Blair-640x370.jpg

http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/selma-blair-leggy-in-mini-dress-children-s-justice-campaign-event-in-beverly-hills-may-2015_1.jpg

Great Caesar's ghost! She's perfect. :o

[Slade]

Nope, she had black hair since her comic debut.

She has had red hair before, but was not originally a red head.

[TurtleTitan97]

She has had red hair before, but was not originally a red head.

Yeah, I get what you mean. I remember reading some old comics from the 90s where she had red hair.

[CyberCubed]

Why does it matter what hair color Lois has? She's had brown, black, etc.

Does it matter? Its like April O'Neil from TMNT. She used to be portrayed as being a brunette and now she's a red head in every incarnation.

[Commenter 42]

Why does it matter what hair color Lois has? She's had brown, black, etc.

Does it matter? Its like April O'Neil from TMNT. She used to be portrayed as being a brunette and now she's a red head in every incarnation.

Would ity be cool if Bruce Wayne was a red-head?

Tell me cubed, how would you feel if Bruce were Irish?

[Commenter 42]

Great Caesar's ghost! She's perfect. :o

I know right? I mean, she doesn't have the Lavender eyes, but with a little PS magic...

http://i.imgur.com/37umfWE.jpg?2

I should have been a casting director. I'd be so GD good at it. I'm sorry humanity, I've let you all down.

[Slade]

Why does it matter what hair color Lois has? She's had brown, black, etc.

Does it matter? Its like April O'Neil from TMNT. She used to be portrayed as being a brunette and now she's a red head in every incarnation.

Turtle nostrels be damned huh

[TurtleTitan97]

I know right? I mean, she doesn't have the Lavender eyes, but with a little PS magic...

http://i.imgur.com/37umfWE.jpg?2

I should have been a casting director. I'd be so GD good at it. I'm sorry humanity, I've let you all down.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Magneto-perfection.gif

[Commenter 42]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Magneto-perfection.gif

Told y'all I was a Superman fan.

Can't wait for the MOS takedown.

[Xiewin]

GqsDwASsGN8

[Krutch]

Selma Blair? I wouldn't of thought of it, but... yeah, that works for me. I always thought Rachel McAdams would make a great Lois Lane.
http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/62506/xmcadams.jpg.pagespeed.ic.AJYSve1YBV.jpg

Crazy how Dawn of Justice is right around the corner. I'm really hoping to be taken by surprise. I have an open mind and I want to like it, so all hope isn't lost. I'm trying to focus on the positives here. Having a new writer is a massive step in the right direction. And Ben's involvement can't hurt, either. I also get Doomsday, who has always been a favourite mindless monster of mine. I appreciate how Zack's dropped the handheld desaturated look of Man of Steel and went with something that suits his style more. Hans Zimmer is returning. Cavil wasn't bad as Superman; looking forward to see how he handles Daily Planet's Clark Kent. Aquaman is still a wildcard who could end up stealing the show if done right.

I don't know. We'll see in a few weeks, I guess.

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Instead of making a new thread(because, honestly, I'm not sure where I'd put it) I'll just put little updates like this as an aside to the thread topic. I really want to get this out before BvS comes out but I don't know... putting together an hour and a half "documentary" in under a month doesn't seem very plausible. But I'll do my best.

[NinjaPug]

FYI - tickets just went on sale.

[chrisdude]

Never liked Noel Neill. Her stuff was in black and white, anyway. Back then, George Reeves was running around the set in an actual grayscale costume. It's what's seen that counts.

Phyllis Coates is my favorite, but I think Amy Adams knocked it out of the park. There are some traits that are memorable, like Superman's blue eyes, but I don't think anyone seriously cares about Lois Lanes hair color.

[Commenter 42]

I do. It's as distracting as this:

http://i.imgur.com/lwiUVNB.jpg?1

The thing about details is; they matter.

[chrisdude]

Well, that's just a doofy haircut. If he had the typical hairstyle, because the curl is distinctive, I wouldn't see color as a big deal. Heck, even that pic beats the ponytail from the 90s. I wouldn't make his hair red, because that, in and of itself, is a distinctive trait...

You know what? I will just concede. I'm making up my own rules on the fly, and thus proving your point. I'll just step over here and have some more coffee…

[ZariusTwo]

Ticket Sale progress thus far

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-ticket-sales-is-trending-a131575

[Commenter 42]

Well, that's just a doofy haircut. If he had the typical hairstyle, because the curl is distinctive, I wouldn't see color as a big deal. Heck, even that pic beats the ponytail from the 90s. I wouldn't make his hair red, because that, in and of itself, is a distinctive trait...

You know what? I will just concede. I'm making up my own rules on the fly, and thus proving your point. I'll just step over here and have some more coffee…

Fair enough. Lol... I did a small spit take.

Well done. I get your point too, I mean, it shouldn't be important, and yet... it is.


For anyone who missed it -
0Y8iRvQdSGA

[Krutch]

This kind of marketing is great. Adds a lot of levity from the dark and broody atmosphere it keeps itself immersed in the first few trailers.

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C-42, I sent you a little snippet from the MoS video I'm working on. Check your PM and let me know if you think I'm on the right track or not.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm curious about your project as well Krutch, mind if I have a look too?:)

[Krutch]

Check your inbox ;)

[Machias Banshee]

Good lord, the amount of reported posts I've gotten for this thread... this has been way overderailed.

Closed til we can clean out some of the junk.