Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[Commenter 42]

Freaky Superman poster high res
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/supermancharacterposterhighresjpg

More toys and stuff
http://news.toyark.com/2015/12/23/official-photos-batman-v-superman-armored-batman-wonder-woman-mafex-185976

[Candy Kappa]

The BvS Mafex stuff looks amazing. Never owned a Mafex figure though, been ogling at a Amazing Spider-Man 2 Spidey, but the shiny plastic is off putting.

I might need another beefy Batman, and I don't have a good Superman figure or a Wonder Woman in a more classical costume. Hoping for a Mafex Aquaman, one that smiths would have been nice.

[Leo656]

Yeah, there's all this awesome stuff too. Wish I was rich.
http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=17378

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151215-HotToys-Sup06.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151215-HotToys-Sup12.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151215-HotToys-Bat02.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151215-HotToys-Bat16.jpg

I absolutely LOVE that Cavill's Superman rocks the Young Elvis sideburns. :tgrin: He's awesome.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

holy crap, MORE Cubed tags!?

Not a fan of this Batsuit, but it's a minor quibble. I'll give them an unappealing Batsuit in exchange for a boss Robin costume any day of the year.

[Leo656]

I think it's fine, they're going for more of a woven mesh armor kind of look, which is needlessly busy-looking but it makes sense. It looks way worse on the toys than it does in the movie, with how the lighting obscures most of the detail.

Still a huge step up from Bale's clunky mess. :lol: The first one was fine, and he was mostly shot in shadow in the first movie anyway, as is proper, but the second and third movie costumes were sooooo ugly. That plate armor look just didn't work at all, it was just the ugliest thing when the light hit it. So of course the third one has it mostly in bright light so it looks awful. :lol: That was KILLIN' me, Smalls.

That Batman figure is both ridiculous and awesome for having interchangeable eyes AND mouths. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Those changeable mouths are the best thing I've ever seen.

[Leo656]

I'd match the slightly rolled-back eyes with the snarling mouth. My Batman would be eternally constipated, forever struggling to crunch out that last bit that just doesn't want to move.

"Is he taking a dump?"
"NO, he's thinking really hard!" :lol:

[Commenter 42]

The Affleck doll looks out of shape, a tubby dude wearing patchy pajamas. Sorry, it's just reality.
Cavill not as bad, but still - the rubber costumes on the dolls look terrible. it looked wrong on Spider-man as well. Hot Toys needs a new plan.

You could compare this to Bale, but that's pointless - Nolan didn't get Batman at all, so who cares. I'm just not a fan of this designer guy's aesthetic.

I like that Cavill's cape is a perfect red, and long. That's nice. The head sculpts are good, but meh.
On the other hand, Prime 1 is set to release some stupid high detail stuff soon....and as much as i a'int into this movie - Prime 1 makes some wickedly impressive stuff...for the price of two kidneys of course:

http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g402/Remy869/Sideshow%20posts/Prime%201%20bats%20vs%20supes_zpsygmuasrl.jpg~orig inal

Why yes, that IS stubble on an action figure.
They are Mad.

[Slade]

The Affleck doll looks out of shape, a tubby dude wearing patchy pajamas. Sorry, it's just reality.
Cavill not as bad, but still - the rubber costumes on the dolls look terrible. it looked wrong on Spider-man as well. Hot Toys needs a new plan.


I don't think we are looking at the same pictures...

I have the Man of Steel Hot Toys, it's amazing. I want to try to snag both of these at some point.

But, those faces on the Prime 1....yeah, that's freaking sick.

[Commenter 42]

I also have a few HT figures, and they make good stuff - but the rubber/plastic costumes bother me - for all the detail that goes into the face, the costumes could be better - especially at 300$ a pop.

I wouldn't say that Affleck looks like he's obtained the peak of human conditioning. (Not that we've had anyone play the part who has - But others at least looked lean.)

And before the "he's older and more mature..." blah blah...

This dude is 45:
http://howtobecomeafitnessmodelhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Helmut-Strebl.jpg

Compared with this:

http://media3.popsugar-assets.com/files/2012/07/29/4/192/1922398/8fdd6e75ac4e0379_FFN-Ben_Jen_Beach_EXC_FF7_071512-EXC-50834715.xxxlarge_wm/i/Ben-Affleck-went-shirtless-beach.jpg

Not saying he's fat - just, not exactly in great shape, and it shows. He most definitely isn't in "Batman" shape.

[ZariusTwo]

Japanese tv spot (one new clip and a new shot, but that's about the extent of it)

-StjL8XN8Fg

[MikeandRaph87]

We got our Robin questions answered.
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/rumor-robin-batman-v-superman-022447047.html

Why can't we get a solid Dick Grayson/Robin in a movie? That is all I ask. Don't let a goofy Batman & Robin film prevent that.

[Leo656]

Just be patient. Nightwing is supposed to be a major player in the Batman solo films. Good stuff is in the mix homie.

[TigerClaw]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there's possibility that Batman v Superman is going to have a Watchmen style montage sequence, which sets up the Justice League.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129284

If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out the opening scene of The Watchmen movie.

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Imagine that but during the end credits.

[NinjaPug]

Yeah, I'm gonna ignore anything "reported" by El Mayimbe.

[Leo656]

F*ckin' Yahoo's been annoying all week, hyping these International Trailers with "New Footage!" that's so blink-and-you'll-miss-it that it's not even funny. :lol:

Ah well, almost home stretch now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, Leo, who do you think Jenna Malone is playing?

Babs Gordon? Carrie Kelley? Vicki Vale?

REALLY hoping we get Babs...

[plastroncafe]

Take this with a grain of salt, but there's possibility that Batman v Superman is going to have a Watchmen style montage sequence, which sets up the Justice League.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=129284

If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out the opening scene of The Watchmen movie.

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Imagine that but during the end credits.

Arguably the BEST part of Watchmen.

[ToTheNines]

So, Leo, who do you think Jenna Malone is playing?

Babs Gordon? Carrie Kelley? Vicki Vale?

REALLY hoping we get Babs...

Hopefully no one special. She got on my nerves in Hunger Games.

[Leo656]

So, Leo, who do you think Jenna Malone is playing?

Babs Gordon? Carrie Kelley? Vicki Vale?

REALLY hoping we get Babs...

I honestly don't know, I haven't heard anything. I've heard LESS than nothing about Carrie Kelly, though, so I'd write that one off. The only people buying that rumor are people who still haven't figured out that the movie is NOT a direct adaptation of Dark Knight Returns. I mean I get it... they see the armor, they see he's fighting Superman, they see he's older, some people figure it's the exact same thing as the book, rather than just taking some visuals from it. I will be very surprised if there is a Carrie Kelly character in the movie, put it that way. I've heard Less Than Zero about that.

Babs having some sort of role is the most persistent rumor I've heard of those three, so maybe her? None of those characters are mentioned at all in the plot synopsis, though, so if any or all of them are in the movie, we're talking tiny cameos. Alfred is supposedly the only prominent member of Batman's supporting cast in the movie, and he actually has plot reasons for being there. Even the rumors I've heard about Babs being involved basically limit her role to simply illustrating that time has passed in this Batman's world since he started... The rumor being that Barbara, post-Joker shooting and still in a wheelchair, has grown up and replaced her father as Gotham City Police Commissioner. Jim Gordon is rumored to be dead in this universe, but the rumors don't get into how or why, which implies that it could either be incidental in the big picture, or simply an untrue rumor.

There's also the idea that she may appear in a flashback scene being shot and crippled by the Joker. One persistent rumor suggests that there may be a brief flashback montage of Joker's last big crime spree, the events of which - crippling Barbara and murdering Jason (and possibly Jim Gordon as well) - lead to him being locked up wherever he is at the start of Suicide Squad, and to Batman going into semi-retirement. Basically the scene would exist to link the two films and give some backstory on Batman's universe, and why he gave up being Batman for so long.
....So in theory, if Barbara's in the movie at all it could be literally for all of one minute, if that. I genuinely haven't heard anything but either of those rumors sound plausible. I wouldn't hold out hope for anything big, though.

If not Babs, maybe Vale. I could see Vale being present to cover either Lex's party where Clark and Bruce first meet, or the Senate conference where Superman has to defend himself for what happened in Metropolis. But again, in either case she'd be one reporter out of a roomful, with one or two lines.

Other than that who knows?

[Leo656]

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151229-batcave2.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman08/151229-batcave1.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Its a shame Affleck changed his face, he looks really good for the role here. I hope in the sequel he's wearing the suit 90% of the time because he looks like a different person now.

[NinjaPug]

Allegedly there was a screening last night and this guy is answering questions about it. Allegedly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/3ytdgv/saw_bvs_last_night_in_la/#spoiler

[Commenter 42]

Its a shame Affleck changed his face, he looks really good for the role here. I hope in the sequel he's wearing the suit 90% of the time because he looks like a different person now.

OMG...^^This is so great. Ladies and gentleman; Plast-fleck is the new nostrils.

And it's not even my birthday.

[Leo656]

Allegedly there was a screening last night and this guy is answering questions about it. Allegedly.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/3ytdgv/saw_bvs_last_night_in_la/#spoiler

Beat me to it. I read about it on the Superman Homepage. http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=17426#comments

They've apparently updated it with this, however:

UPDATE: We have received word from someone who actually worked on the movie that this "review" is false. As mentioned above, it's up to you whether you believe the above review or not.


I looked at a lot of the Q&A stuff he posted on his Reddit and it had me very confused. There were a ton of things that don't match the leak I have AT ALL, and the stuff that did match up could have been taken from the trailers. I wanted to believe it because it was so glowingly positive, but it started to fall apart right away the more he said.

Ah well. :lol: Some of the stuff he said was going to happen wasn't very good so I'm actually glad it's debunked.

[NinjaPug]

Beat me to it. I read about it on the Superman Homepage. http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=17426#comments

They've apparently updated it with this, however:

UPDATE: We have received word from someone who actually worked on the movie that this "review" is false. As mentioned above, it's up to you whether you believe the above review or not.


I looked at a lot of the Q&A stuff he posted on his Reddit and it had me very confused. There were a ton of things that don't match the leak I have AT ALL, and the stuff that did match up could have been taken from the trailers. I wanted to believe it because it was so glowingly positive, but it started to fall apart right away the more he said.

Ah well. :lol: Some of the stuff he said was going to happen wasn't very good so I'm actually glad it's debunked.

Figured it was fake but haven't been following the production of this close enough to know if it was legit.

I did like hearing that there would be a flashback of Death in the Family and allusions to The Killing Joke though. Hate that those reports weren't true.

[MikeandRaph87]

http://screenrant.com/new-green-lantern-actor-batman-superman-amboyer/

While the screen test may or may not have happened there is a report that Hal Jordan/Green Lantern will appear in the film and be portrayed by actor Dan Amboyer. As far as I know he is an unknown. Time will tell if he is the new Hal Jordan.

[NinjaPug]

http://screenrant.com/new-green-lantern-actor-batman-superman-amboyer/

While the screen test may or may not have happened there is a report that Hal Jordan/Green Lantern will appear in the film and be portrayed by actor Dan Amboyer. As far as I know he is an unknown. Time will tell if he is the new Hal Jordan.

That news came from the alleged screening.

[JakeSully]

Who thinks Ben will be the next Keaton?

[Leo656]

Word going around is that there really WAS a screening of the movie but that this specific person's claims about what happens in the movie are false, despite containing kernels of truth. Supposedly the actual word of mouth coming out of the screening was indeed very, very good, however.

I have a huge problem that Yahoo and other sites are still making a lot of noise about the Reddit "leak" despite it more than likely being fake. I've seen that article repeated in multiple places, but only the Superman Homepage has a disclaimer that it's fake. The Homepage always has credible inside sources on any and all of these productions and is always among the first to shoot down false rumors early and often, so while their "inside source who worked on the movie" isn't named, if they say they have a guy and that guy in turn says the Reddit leak is fake, then there's no reason to disbelieve it, nor is there any reason for people to keep reporting on it. I hate internet "Journalism", there's no accountability and you don't have to make corrections or retractions, it's so bogus.

I also read the Hal Jordan rumor this morning, but as has already been pointed out, that was "revealed" at the same time and from the same source as lots of other false information. I'll say this much of what I know: There was absolutely nothing about Green Lantern or even Hal Jordan anywhere in the leak from the Spring. Now, back then they hadn't even announced any plans for Green Lantern at all as far as the upcoming DC films, so there's a chance they may have decided to add something after most of everything else was done, just to provide a more direct link to the JLA movie. I can see them doing that. But IF Green Lantern or even just Hal Jordan do show up, that was something they added literally at the very end, like 5 minutes ago. I won't be shocked if they do - recent rumors have it that now that they have an actual idea what they want to do with GL, DC/WB are thinking of downplaying Cyborg's overall importance to the League and making GL more prominent instead - but I'll believe it when I see it as far as anything for him in this movie goes.

As far as the leak I have goes, it describes the state of the JLA at end of BvS as: Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman united as the core of the League, Aquaman heading back to Atlantis but offering to help out if he's needed, Vic Stone is all messed up but isn't Cyborg yet, Flash is literally just a red blur on a screen, and nothing at all about GL, which I admit is weird.

Now, it's entirely possible that very, very recently, a decision was made to put Flash and GL more "front-and-center" in a brief scene at the very end of the movie. It would make sense, but given how we've very recently had people as high up as Affleck flat-out saying there's little to nothing of Flash or GL in the movie, like just a couple weeks ago, I just find it hard to believe. They might have decided to stick five seconds of Flash or GL in there, but I kind of doubt it.

I personally still feel like in the actual movie, Flash and GL will be hinted at or implied but not actually seen in full until the JLA movie. That's the plan they've been committed to for two years, it seems unlikely they'd shift gears at the last minute. It happens, but again, in this case I'll believe it when I see it.

[JakeSully]

Word going around is that there really WAS a screening of the movie but that this specific person's claims about what happens in the movie are false, despite containing kernels of truth. Supposedly the actual word of mouth coming out of the screening was indeed very, very good, however.

I have a huge problem that Yahoo and other sites are still making a lot of noise about the Reddit "leak" despite it more than likely being fake. I've seen that article repeated in multiple places, but only the Superman Homepage has a disclaimer that it's fake. The Homepage always has credible inside sources on any and all of these productions and is always among the first to shoot down false rumors early and often, so while their "inside source who worked on the movie" isn't named, if they say they have a guy and that guy in turn says the Reddit leak is fake, then there's no reason to disbelieve it, nor is there any reason for people to keep reporting on it. I hate internet "Journalism", there's no accountability and you don't have to make corrections or retractions, it's so bogus.

I also read the Hal Jordan rumor this morning, but as has already been pointed out, that was "revealed" at the same time and from the same source as lots of other false information. I'll say this much of what I know: There was absolutely nothing about Green Lantern or even Hal Jordan anywhere in the leak from the Spring. Now, back then they hadn't even announced any plans for Green Lantern at all as far as the upcoming DC films, so there's a chance they may have decided to add something after most of everything else was done, just to provide a more direct link to the JLA movie. I can see them doing that. But IF Green Lantern or even just Hal Jordan do show up, that was something they added literally at the very end, like 5 minutes ago. I won't be shocked if they do - recent rumors have it that now that they have an actual idea what they want to do with GL, DC/WB are thinking of downplaying Cyborg's overall importance to the League and making GL more prominent instead - but I'll believe it when I see it as far as anything for him in this movie goes.

As far as the leak I have goes, it describes the state of the JLA at end of BvS as: Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman united as the core of the League, Aquaman heading back to Atlantis but offering to help out if he's needed, Vic Stone is all messed up but isn't Cyborg yet, Flash is literally just a red blur on a screen, and nothing at all about GL, which I admit is weird.

Now, it's entirely possible that very, very recently, a decision was made to put Flash and GL more "front-and-center" in a brief scene at the very end of the movie. It would make sense, but given how we've very recently had people as high up as Affleck flat-out saying there's little to nothing of Flash or GL in the movie, like just a couple weeks ago, I just find it hard to believe. They might have decided to stick five seconds of Flash or GL in there, but I kind of doubt it.

I personally still feel like in the actual movie, Flash and GL will be hinted at or implied but not actually seen in full until the JLA movie. That's the plan they've been committed to for two years, it seems unlikely they'd shift gears at the last minute. It happens, but again, in this case I'll believe it when I see it.

Do you remember the so called "No jokes" policy? well what they are saying that the DC movies will be better than ever and that's no joke.

[Leo656]

The last and only person who ever made a thing out of that one person's out-of-context quote was you. Please refrain from doing it further.

[JakeSully]

The last and only person who ever made a thing out of that one person's out-of-context quote was you. Please refrain from doing it further.

On casting of Green Lantern, how about Chris Pine?

[Leo656]

I wish. Nobody listens to me. I didn't get that pony when I turned Sweet 16 and I didn't get the Hal Jordan I wanted right now. What a rib.

[JakeSully]

I wish. Nobody listens to me. I didn't get that pony when I turned Sweet 16 and I didn't get the Hal Jordan I wanted right now. What a rib.

But do you think he might be good casting?

[Leo656]

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

[JakeSully]

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

But who can play Jordan?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But who can play Jordan?

I say genderswap to Haley Jordan and cast Katee Sackhoff.

[Leo656]

I'm no longer sure. I think they should have just kept throwing money at Capt. Kirk until he said Yes. Anything else is automatically a silver medal by default. Not getting him locked in was possibly their first big mistake, but I don't think it will do a lot of long-term damage.

[MikeandRaph87]

He's Steve Trevor instead, so speculating about it further is pointless. They offered him Hal Jordan, he turned it down, they all compromised on Steve Trevor instead, nobody really knows why and anything else beyond that is needless speculation.

WB actually offered him the role of Hal Jordan and chose Steve Trevor instead? I thought the Hal Jordan role was nothing but a rumor unfortunately false. Don't know why he would prefer Steve Trevor. Its a great should be casting like Jason Statham as Bullseye almost happening.

[ToTheNines]

I say genderswap to Haley Jordan and cast Katee Sackhoff.

If she doesn't get Carol Danvers, I'd totally support that.

OR, do that anyway and Chris Pine can play Carl Danvers. :P

[Leo656]

Well, I mean, that's the scuttlebutt, that the role was basically his if he wanted it but he didn't. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

My gut tells me he didn't want to do it because GL is still an unproven franchise after the first movie left a bad taste in people's mouths, he's the star of the second-hottest sci-fi movie series right now, and frankly WB would get more out of him playing GL than he would; he'd bring credibility and a little more star power to their Cinematic Universe, but on the other hand, if it misfired like the last movie or otherwise wasn't well-received, it could hurt his appeal with the Star Trek crowd, and more importantly, his negotiating power at the contract table.

Playing a secondary protagonist in the Wonder Woman movie isn't nearly as big a risk for him as trying to revive the Green Lantern franchise would be. I can totally believe he simply didn't want to be burdened with all that.

Shame, because he's perfect.

[MikeandRaph87]

Well, I mean, that's the scuttlebutt, that the role was basically his if he wanted it but he didn't. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

My gut tells me he didn't want to do it because GL is still an unproven franchise after the first movie left a bad taste in people's mouths, he's the star of the second-hottest sci-fi movie series right now, and frankly WB would get more out of him playing GL than he would; he'd bring credibility and a little more star power to their Cinematic Universe, but on the other hand, if it misfired like the last movie or otherwise wasn't well-received, it could hurt his appeal with the Star Trek crowd, and more importantly, his negotiating power at the contract table.

Playing a secondary protagonist in the Wonder Woman movie isn't nearly as big a risk for him as trying to revive the Green Lantern franchise would be. I can totally believe he simply didn't want to be burdened with all that.

Shame, because he's perfect.

http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4371612.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Nathan Fillion should be Green Lantern his voice is awesome as animated HalJordan and he has some superhero experience as Captain Hammer :lol:

[Leo656]

Eh, looks a little old. I mean if we're disregarding age then I've said it before, not getting Eric Bana about ten years ago was maybe the BIGGEST mistake. Nobody ever could or will pull off Hal Jordan the way Hulk-era Eric Bana would have.

It's fun to pretend.

[Candy Kappa]

He's just 1 year older then Affleck. Although, I guess it's a bit weird having too many heroes being so much more older then Supes.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'unno why they're doing the polar opposite of the newer comics, where everyone is explicitly stated to be 25 years old or younger (even when that makes NO sense whatsoever), but here everyone's mid-30s or older. Although the new comics are all trash so good for 'em, the less they borrow from anything post-2010 the better.

I'm pretty sure that Batman is supposed to be the oldest of the JLA in the movies by a good bit, though. That part makes sense, in that they don't want to have to contradict or disregard anything people like about "Solo Batman", either from the comics or the other movies. They basically want to have this new universe divide Batman's history into two distinct "Eras": "Solo Batman Era" from his debut up through Robin's death, in which "all the stuff you read about or saw Batman doing in comics, cartoons, and other movies, Definitely Happened (just maybe not exactly the way it did in those other versions), and "JLA Era Batman", in which he's older, more experienced, operating in a world where the threats are a lot bigger than a guy in clown makeup. It also makes sense in the way that, by having been doing this for 20+ years, it gives him a reason to be a team leader in the JLA over his younger, more-powerful teammates.

It's a way to have their cake and eat it too, especially since some people still don't like the idea of a Batman who works with the JLA, for whatever myopic reasons. They get to say "Here, we're not contradicting the comics or the old cartoon. All that stuff mostly happened, but it's backstory and legends. Now we're moving the story forward." It makes sense. And I still have a feeling they'll be doing "Young Batman" spin-off solo movies before it's over. They'd be crazy not to.

Having a middle-aged Affleck play Batman in this didn't make much sense to me until I thought about it, but now it makes absolutely perfect sense and it's actually pretty smart. I'm still hung up on Clark not becoming Superman until he's in his 30s, but whatever. It's pretty inconsequential; it's like they only mentioned it to explain Cavill's slightly-receding hairline. :trazz:

[ToTheNines]

If they were smart, they'd cast older actors for Hal and John, then get some young "asses in seats" actors for Kyle and Guy.

[Leo656]

I've always been torn about who should play Guy and Kyle. I never seem to like anyone's suggestions. :trazz: Guy's one of my all-time favorite characters so I'm hyper-selective and picky in how I prefer to see him represented. :trazz:

I kinda feel like having to explain four Earth Green Lanterns right away might be tricky, so I'm not even sure I expect them to do Kyle or Guy until the second or third movie. Technically Guy should come into things before John or Kyle, since he was the original Alternate after Hal, but more people are familiar with John from the cartoon show so I expect Guy will be like the second or maybe even third alternate.

I'm really anxious and curious to see how the Green Lantern Corps stuff plays out. Unlike most people I liked the last movie fine even though it was really uneven and needed some trimming. I'm hopeful they've learned a few things and have a better idea what they want to do with the property.

[MikeandRaph87]

Are any other human Green Lanterns going to appear aside from Hal Jordan as primary and John Stewart as the number two. It might not be good to have all four and maybe Bazz and Scott too. The GL mythos are complex and hard to get the general audience into as proven but the sole Hal Jordan focused film in 2011. It is best not to over do it.

[Leo656]

I honestly felt that movie did a great job of establishing the mythology, but couldn't resist getting bogged down in too many "silly" moments. It was okay but it could have been a lot better. Clip the Hammond stuff and it's fine.

I'unno if they're gonna bother re-establishing all that, they might pick it up in progress.

[MikeandRaph87]

I honestly felt that movie did a great job of establishing the mythology, but couldn't resist getting bogged down in too many "silly" moments. It was okay but it could have been a lot better. Clip the Hammond stuff and it's fine.

I'unno if they're gonna bother re-establishing all that, they might pick it up in progress.

I am no fan of Hector Hammond. Still it was throwing in Parallax and Hal able to beat the embodiment of fear and destroy it a few days into the job. It would confuse casual fans and advance Hal's greatness too fast for fans of the franchise. I was really hoping for a cheaper costing sequel with Sinestro as the lead villain.

[ToTheNines]

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/dcmovies/images/4/4a/Hector_Hammond_02.jpg

[JakeSully]

Who is hoping for Parasite in the next MOS movie?

[Leo656]

He's pretty lame. Brainiac or go home.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He's pretty lame. Brainiac or go home.

Which version of Brainiac?

[JakeSully]

He's pretty lame. Brainiac or go home.

Brainiac would be a good way to go.

[Leo656]

Which version of Brainiac?

Oh gosh, I'unno. I kinda feel like they already missed the chance to make him a Kryptonian A.I., which was a pretty popular take even though that was just the cartoon that did that, but if they were gonna do that they would have mentioned him in MoS, so I doubt they'll use that take. They're going pretty close to the comics with these movies rather than the cartoons or other media so it'll more than likely just be Coluan Brainiac. As to how he'll look visually, I'unno, they've had like 80 versions of Brainiac so there's lots to choose from. :lol:

The background design for LexOS in the Batman V Superman movie uses the Brainiac type of aesthetic, and that HAS to be on purpose for some reason, so I'm curious what their version of Brainiac will inevitably look like. I mean they haven't been very secretive about that being a high priority, he's been on their list of Superman villains to use in a film since the 70s they just never had the budget for it.

[Slade]

I'd go with a design similar to this one if or when they do finally toss him in a film.


http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/e1aa69c3b1cb4c17552229cc69284c2c.jpg

[Commenter 42]

The 80's kid in me wants to see this:

http://cooltoyreview.com/Kenner/SuperPowers/Brainiac/header.jpg

[ranger_scout]

Jesse Eisenberg was originally offered a different role in this film.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/09/batman-v-superman-jesse-eisenberg-zack-snyder-lex-luthor

Zack Snyder says casting Ben Affleck as Batman was a no brainier.

http://comicbook.com/2016/01/09/zack-snyder-says-casting-ben-affleck-in-batman-v-superman-a-no-b/

[ZariusTwo]

https://twitter.com/zacksnyder/status/685934186805374976

New spot

[Leo656]

aUN0F5wKbGE

"...Bitch, f*ck your car." :tcool: :lol:

I love how Superman's every single reaction to Bruce is this quiet, puzzled nonchalance. :lol: "Dude, you're SO mad at me for some reason!" :trazz:

There's another new clip up at Superman Homepage but it's mostly just the Bruce/Clark/Lex scene with an extra line of dialogue, so I didn't bother posting it.

[CyberCubed]

That was a good clip.

[ToTheNines]

Kinda weird that his voice is distorted and he's not in the mech suit.

[Leo656]

It's clear to me that they liked the idea of Bruce Wayne and Batman having dramatically different voices and simply decided to make electronic vocal distortion A Thing Batman Does, since they fell in love with it over the last few movies anyway. Rather than make it "just" a special effect, they worked it into the story.

It's an odd choice but it does make sense. It's a logical extension of why Bruce and Batman would have different voices to begin with. "I'll just use a synthesizer, f*ck it." Makes sense. It seems like something Bruce would do the more I think about it. I can buy that before I can buy that he just happens to keep ice skates in his boots at all times. :lol: It's not what I would have done probably, but I wouldn't have thought of it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

According to Snyder:

“I love Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, but having Flash and Aquaman and Cyborg and to see them all standing together, it’s a pretty dorky and cool experience for me,” Snyder, says. “Basically every one of those characters has a logo that you would recognize without them standing there, and that’s a hard thing to achieve in this pop-culture world. We have history to draw on, but we also have these new frontiers to forge.”

No mention of GL. It still bugs me a little that Cyborg's a major JL player. Martian Manhunter or Hawkgirl would make more sense to me, but then, both of those characters are in major use on the small screen right now... but hey, totally willing to be convinced, DC.

http://screenrant.com/batman-v-superman-justice-league-together/

[MikeandRaph87]

It's clear to me that they liked the idea of Bruce Wayne and Batman having dramatically different voices and simply decided to make electronic vocal distortion A Thing Batman Does, since they fell in love with it over the last few movies anyway. Rather than make it "just" a special effect, they worked it into the story.

It's an odd choice but it does make sense. It's a logical extension of why Bruce and Batman would have different voices to begin with. "I'll just use a synthesizer, f*ck it." Makes sense. It seems like something Bruce would do the more I think about it. I can buy that before I can buy that he just happens to keep ice skates in his boots at all times. :lol: It's not what I would have done probably, but I wouldn't have thought of it.

What about the Batman on Ice show coming to a city near you?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a9/b2/22/a9b222283e217a5f4476913e17971259.jpg

[Leo656]

It absolutely should have been Martian Manhunter instead of Cyborg. But frankly, Green isn't Black enough. Not trying to start anything, but anyone who doesn't think that's the Beginning, Middle and End of "why Cyborg and Not J'onn?" is kidding themselves. Cyborg has pretty much NO history with the JLA pre-New 52, while J'onn actually has the longest JLA tenure of everyone in history, having been a part of every single Pre-52 lineup, something not even Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman can claim. J'onn's been a constant member of the team as well as occasionally the LEADER of the team. Removing him entirely makes no sense. BUT, "Green isn't Black enough", in an era where you have movie and TV studio execs openly talking about how "more minorities" is a bullet point for every single project nowadays, trumping almost everything else in importance.

It's clear that WB only saw J'onn as the JLA's "token minority" rather than the integral part of the team he's always been, and figured it was both harmless and beneficial to swap him out in favor of "an actual person of color". Not a good decision on their part, but it's expected given the current state of the entertainment business. I've always liked J'onn a lot, and it's annoying that not only is he not going to be part of the JLA now that it's finally happening on film, but he's been replaced for the most insipid of reasons.

Whattyagonnado. Although recent scuttlebutt is that they've reconsidered just how much they want to push Cyborg, since the feedback hasn't been great on him. There's rumors that instead of a solo film, they might do a proper Titans film and spin him off into that, since more people seem to want that than they do a Cyborg solo film. Some people speculate that's why the rumored TV show was recently officially axed, as well, because now DC/WB wants to save the concept for a movie. All of that makes sense and I really hope they do it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It absolutely should have been Martian Manhunter instead of Cyborg. But frankly, Green isn't Black enough. Not trying to start anything, but anyone who doesn't think that's the Beginning, Middle and End of "why Cyborg and Not J'onn?" is kidding themselves. Cyborg has pretty much NO history with the JLA pre-New 52, while J'onn actually has the longest JLA tenure of everyone in history, having been a part of every single Pre-52 lineup, something not even Superman, Batman, or Wonder Woman can claim. J'onn's been a constant member of the team as well as occasionally the LEADER of the team. Removing him entirely makes no sense. BUT, "Green isn't Black enough", in an era where you have movie and TV studio execs openly talking about how "more minorities" is a bullet point for every single project nowadays, trumping almost everything else in importance.

It's clear that WB only saw J'onn as the JLA's "token minority" rather than the integral part of the team he's always been, and figured it was both harmless and beneficial to swap him out in favor of "an actual person of color". Not a good decision on their part, but it's expected given the current state of the entertainment business. I've always liked J'onn a lot, and it's annoying that not only is he not going to be part of the JLA now that it's finally happening on film, but he's been replaced for the most insipid of reasons.

Whattyagonnado. Although recent scuttlebutt is that they've reconsidered just how much they want to push Cyborg, since the feedback hasn't been great on him. There's rumors that instead of a solo film, they might do a proper Titans film and spin him off into that, since more people seem to want that than they do a Cyborg solo film. Some people speculate that's why the rumored TV show was recently officially axed, as well, because now DC/WB wants to save the concept for a movie. All of that makes sense and I really hope they do it.

But... but... I thought green was the new black?

[Leo656]

But... but... I thought green was the new black?

:lol: You insufferable cad.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1ff9f2d0cad343c7f2328af3bb5ce7f627babc39/c=518-0-1877-1022&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/04/USATODAY/USATODAY/635874749848478661-BVS-FP-0981.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:lol: You insufferable cad.

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1ff9f2d0cad343c7f2328af3bb5ce7f627babc39/c=518-0-1877-1022&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/01/04/USATODAY/USATODAY/635874749848478661-BVS-FP-0981.jpg

You're just jelly I made the joke before you did. :twink:

[Leo656]

No, I tossed that one on the scrap pile. :lol: Nice to know who's going through my trash can. :trazz:

[sdp]

DCAU's JL cartoon had a perfectly PC diverse team that made sense even if Aquaman wasn't in it. I'm not very familiar with Cyborg from the comics, just the Superfriends and Teen Titans cartoon versions and while the superfriends version was boring the TT is a favorite of mine. I like him a lot and his struggle to fit in however I don't see him with the likes of Superman or Batman, he needs to be in a smaller team. John Stewart is a boring Green Lantern, I like him more as a great hero from the past that is being referenced and idolized but when he's on the spotlight he comes off as boring, I always liked Kyle a lot more. John Stewart from the cartoon would have been the perfect choice for a GL, first of all it takes the mind off of the hated GL movie since this is totally a different GL just by looking at his skin color, his personality can be modified to be a lot different from the other characters and with him you meet your black hero quota. I also wish Flash was Wally West but I can live with Barry Allen, (just don't make Wally black).

I understand why Martian Manhunter is not in the movie though, his powers and origin are just a little too much out there. He's also the last survivor of his planet and totally has the same powers as superman, except he can also shapeshift, regenerate, self-sustenance, intangibility, invisibility, telepathy and telekinesis oh and of course he's a detective like Batman. Not to mention his costume is a little difficult to re-design (though I've seen good interpretations of it). My first exposure to him was in the JL cartoon and I had no idea who he was or why he was there instead of Aquaman. While I knew nothing of Hawkgirl at least I knew Hawkman was a superhero but this green guy was totally new and unappealing to me. I learned to like him and a lot. When he is written he is easily one of the best superheroes that DC has but it can be difficult for him to be portrayed on film, especially one that is already overstuffed with characters, it's not the same to have a bunch of superheroes being met for the first time if we already know vaguely who they are than also adding this totally new hero who is already too complex. I'd love to see him eventually though. Not having Ant-Man(Pymm) and Wasp in the Avengers movie was a bigger sign of disrispect towards history though.

[Commenter 42]

Cyborg is, pretty terrible, let's be real. If I want representation, I want GL. MM should always be on the team.

[ToTheNines]

They've been pushing Cyborg and Aquaman pretty hard since 2011, so I was expecting nothing less.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No, I tossed that one on the scrap pile. :lol: Nice to know who's going through my trash can. :trazz:

I don't go through your trashcans! This wrestling leotard is something I bought from GOODWILL!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Now I want pictures.... Only Leo and Mr. Duckie have the legs to pull off tights, IMHO. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Now I want pictures.... Only Leo and Mr. Duckie have the legs to pull off tights, IMHO. :trazz:

You never seen mine. Like damn Sequoia trees.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's not about thickness, hon. It's about shape. Gotta' have those dancer's(or gymnist's) legs....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's not about thickness, hon. It's about shape. Gotta' have those dancer's(or gymnist's) legs....

Let's just say, I make my Scottish ancestors proud when I wear my clan garb.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sure, okay. :twink: But I'mma yell "kilt check!" if I ever see ya in it! :trazz: Little secret- I married Mr. Duckie for his humor, and his legs.... :tlol:

[Amaranthus]

Sure, okay. :twink: But I'mma yell "kilt check!" if I ever see ya in it! :trazz: Little secret- I married Mr. Duckie for his humor, and his legs.... :tlol:

Why do you bring up your husband in almost all your posts?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why do you bring up your husband in almost all your posts?

Because married people spend most of their time together. Why shouldn't she?

I mention my wife and/or kids on a not-infrequent basis...

[Amaranthus]

I should mention my shrimp more.
Christopher Johnson, Christopher Johnson Junior, Christopher Johnson II, Christopher Johnson III and all those other f*ckers I can't be bothered to name have pretty nice legs too. A sh*tbunch of them.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I should mention my shrimp more.
Christopher Johnson, Christopher Johnson Junior, Christopher Johnson II, Christopher Johnson III and all those other f*ckers I can't be bothered to name have pretty nice legs too. A sh*tbunch of them.

Mmmmmmm.

Shrimp. You gonna invite us to the gumbo? :trazz:

[Amaranthus]

Mmmmmmm.

Shrimp. You gonna invite us to the gumbo? :trazz:

I actually love my babies. So it's really not amusing to see you make a joke a sh*tton of people have already made.
Besides, I doubt they're even tasty.
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/10/25643000/ngbbs55f564321f46f.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Probably tasty for turtles.

[Amaranthus]

Probably tasty for turtles.

Turtleman v Shrimperman.
Make it happen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I actually love my babies. So it's really not amusing to see you make a joke a sh*tton of people have already made.
Besides, I doubt they're even tasty.
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/10/25643000/ngbbs55f564321f46f.jpg

Now now, Amar. If I can make jokes about eating puppies, I can make jokes about eating shrimp.

...

I just made things worse, didn't I?

[MikeandRaph87]

A new character has been officially revealed to appear in Dawn of Justice.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/01/possible-spoiler-the-other-villain-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-revealed.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A new character has been officially revealed to appear in Dawn of Justice.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/01/possible-spoiler-the-other-villain-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-revealed.html

100% sure that's BS. Doomsday and Lex are the main men, no Bizarro.

[MikeandRaph87]

100% sure that's BS. Doomsday and Lex are the main men, no Bizarro.

I assume its a set up for the chapter afterwards Justice League Part 1. Remember how Amazing Spider-Man was so focused on setting up another film that it lost focus on the film it was presenting. I hope DC's ambitions and desire to play catch up don't turn into that.

[NinjaPug]

A new character has been officially revealed to appear in Dawn of Justice.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2016/01/possible-spoiler-the-other-villain-in-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-revealed.html

Officially?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why do you bring up your husband in almost all your posts?


Because he's an important part of my life, maybe? That, and we DO spend most of our time together aside from when I'm at work or he's at his treatments. Sadly, he rarely leaves the house, otherwise, due to his health issues. Besides, we share many of the same interests and hobbies. So- yeah. We're very close.


Because married people spend most of their time together. Why shouldn't she?

I mention my wife and/or kids on a not-infrequent basis...

Yup. This ^

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I assume its a set up for the chapter afterwards Justice League Part 1. Remember how Amazing Spider-Man was so focused on setting up another film that it lost focus on the film it was presenting. I hope DC's ambitions and desire to play catch up don't turn into that.

Nope. I'm still positive that this is 100% BS. The source is not credible. At best, this is WB trying to convince people that there is more to be seen than what was in the trailer. There's not; that trailer had more than enough awesomeness as is. :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

I see. Your signature says it all. You are Michelangelo and you are sending Shredder (DC Comics and associates) a message. Nice symbolism there CKD!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I see. Your signature says it all. You are Michelangelo and you are sending Shredder (DC Comics and associates) a message. Nice symbolism there CKD!

Actually, I really HAVE gotten sick of all of the Deadpool marketing and Legends of Tomorrow marketing. They both already have my solemn vow to watch; stop it already! :trazz:

[Leo656]

First I'm hearing of it. BUT, there's always a chance it was kept deep under wraps or squeezed in at the last minute. Either way, I'll believe it when I see it but nothing would surprise me in that regard.

If so, I could literally see it being the smallest thing, to set up the next movie. I've heard nothing to suggest he'd be active in the movie in a major way. I like him though, if he exists I'd be curious to see what happens long-term with it. Setup for MoS 2, maybe, rather than Justice League?

Again, I have serious doubts, but maybe a little hopeful at the same time.

[Leo656]

I_LLj1k16_k

"Consider this mercy". :eyemouth: The chills are real. :lol: Lots of positive feedback floating around about this clip, although it doesn't provide any context which has some people a little confused, but a lot of people are really impressed with the chemistry between the two in all the recent footage. That's such a key thing. And a lot of people who were worried Superman would be looking weaker or impotent compared to Batman are relieved/impressed that it's not the case.

It's a totally different thing, but I kept having flashbacks to Byrne's "Man of Steel" Issue #3, where Superman and Batman encounter each other for the first time in post-Crisis continuity. It's a completely different scenario but the spirit is the same.

Meanwhile, here's some statues and stuff: http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=17495

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160113-Kotobukiya-BvSBat03.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160113-Kotobukiya-BvSSup01.jpg

http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160113-Kotobukiya-BvS01.jpg

Not a bad day.

[MikeandRaph87]

Here is the first official promo image of the Justice League. Still no Green Lantern, but it has the other six.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/01/19/justice-league-concept-art-revealed-ahead-of-dc-films-tv-special

[Leo656]

I'm almost positive that they only finalized plans for Green Lantern very, very recently, and thus didn't really have anything substantial to show or tell, other than, "It's happening."

I missed the first few minutes of the DC Special which apparently focused on this movie. Looking forward to the replay on the CW affiliate.

[TigerClaw]

Here are the featurettes talking about Aquaman, Cyborg, and the Flash.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=130170

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIg5YuUgAAJ-un.jpg

[Leo656]

Finally saw the Special, the little bit of new footage there was looked great.

[Commenter 42]

Ezra Miller...:-?

And I thought Leo was condescending :lol: :lol: That guy...
I'm starting to wonder if Snyderverse is another Earth...like Earth 43 or something.

[TurtleTitan97]

Not a fan of that Flash suit.

[Leo656]

I'm not sure any of those Photoshop gimmicks were final.

[Commenter 42]

What flash suit? I didn't see any flash suit.

[TurtleTitan97]

What flash suit? I didn't see any flash suit.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIgnIDWEAAAmEj.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIkCHmU8AAbpdz.jpg

[Leo656]

How final, though? Looks like concept art.

I don't love it, but I haven't really loved any Flash suit in live-action. It seems like people over-think Flash's costume, in particular. I don't see why, should be easy. Maybe it's "too simple"?

[snake]

How final, though? Looks like concept art.

I don't love it, but I haven't really loved any Flash suit in live-action. It seems like people over-think Flash's costume, in particular. I don't see why, should be easy. Maybe it's "too simple"?

Not enough tacticool lines and darker shade on the costume. :P

[TurtleTitan97]

It seems like people over-think Flash's costume, in particular. I don't see why, should be easy. Maybe it's "too simple"?

Wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.

Hopefully the final product will look better. At the moment the CW costume is probably the best live action Flash costume for now,imo.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but I agree that one's got all the seams and stuff for no reason. :lol: What a trend, I tellya. Ah well.

I mean, the 1990 show's costume was pretty spot-on, but... man, it's very much a 1990 super-hero costume, y'know?

[Commenter 42]

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIgnIDWEAAAmEj.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIkCHmU8AAbpdz.jpg


Thanks!
lol, I think that's from Injustice (the first pic). Hated that skin in the game too, but hopefully we don't get that.

not sure about the second.

Would be great if we got something simple like this:
http://i.imgur.com/sKrpkFN.png

[TurtleTitan97]

Thanks!
lol, I think that's from Injustice (the first pic). Hated that skin in the game too, but hopefully we don't get that.


It's not from Injustice. It's legit concept art.

[Commenter 42]

It's not from Injustice. It's legit concept art.

Really?
This designer is trashing every costume except WW. What is his deal? He really doesn't get it.

Fingerless gloves? oh...how...fab.


EDIT:
Sorry - not Injustice - DC Universe online.
@2:28
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http://i.imgur.com/Q6Wtfjv.png
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZIgnIDWEAAAmEj.jpg


He doesn't have those fingerless gloves though...so...:-?

[MikeandRaph87]

Article on Aquaman and the fact DC is finally trying to move him past the joke he is to the public due in part to being one of the five key players in the long running Superfriends cartoon.

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/39-aquaman-39-unleashed-dc-films-hero-1347376591200310.html

The character is the most natural fit to be chairman of the Justice League given his role. He never really got that chance as he left that post the only time he held it aftwr just one year our time since he was playing hypocrite to the new rule he established about full dedication to the League.

[Krutch]

Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I think in order to make the Flash costume work it needs to be practical from the neck down and use tracking marks to map the mask part.

If its practical it bends and folds in all the wrong ways and it'd need to be looked at at just the right angles to work.

[Commenter 42]

Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I think in order to make the Flash costume work it needs to be practical from the neck down and use tracking marks to map the mask part.

If its practical it bends and folds in all the wrong ways and it'd need to be looked at at just the right angles to work.

What do you mean?

[Krutch]

For example, on the TV show, they've used a type of latex rubber to make the mask he wears. Which is flexible and looks good when still, but it tends to bend in awkward ways more times than not...
http://s12.postimg.org/3jwj9abd9/Screen_Shot_2016_01_20_at_4_33_06_PM.png
And thats literally from the first random episode I skimmed through. It's hard not to notice.

And spandex wouldn't work because its restrictive to the actors face and, if its too loose, it sags. If its too tight, it bridges around where the nose gaps and you're left with the opposite problem with what the above pic looks like. You can use a type of glue(which Grant Gustin used for the first nine episodes) to the material but it doesn't completely solve the problem and actually creates new ones.

So what I'm recommending is make the suit from the neck down, then put tracking markers around the neck collar and on his face. That way the CGI mask that you'd graph on him can always stick to his skin while matching the same texture consistency as the rest of the suit.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Please, no. Then you end up with "animated suit" syndrome, a la Green Lantern.

[Krutch]

Please, no. Then you end up with "animated suit" syndrome, a la Green Lantern.

I knew that would come up :P

For all the faults of that movie(and there are so many), the unnatural glowing effect of the suit is actually intentional. Which makes sense, actually. I mean the suit is supposed to be made from energy, not fabric. It shouldn't look like anything we've seen before. It should look alien.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I was referring more to his "mask". It looked so very "drawn on". I think that was most people's objection to the costume.

[Commenter 42]

I think a full CGI suit could totally work. I'm not a fan of bulky, unless it makes sense for the character. I'm old school, and always vote for tights and flights.

The GL CG idea was good, the execution wasn't. Biggest problem with GL glowing in daylight, is that things don't glow in daylight.

This practical work was awesome though - CG can look this good, it just never does these days.

http://i.imgur.com/1TXAs2W.jpg


If this had been a full suit, it would have been very cool:
http://41.media.tumblr.com/ea425b1afb018e8380c320e7db883089/tumblr_nirc8uBdgL1rdzoovo5_1280.jpg

[Leo656]

That reminds me about something neat they've done with the newest Batman costume, is try some new things to maximize Affleck's ability to actually move in the suit. They've put some hidden seams in the mask so he can actually turn his head, without the entire thing looking like Bale's stupid motorcycle helmet, so that's neat, but more specific to this conversation, is that for a lot of the action and fight scenes, he's actually not wearing sleeves on the costume. In every Batman movie, they've struggled with how to make the suit mobile enough to do action and fight scenes in, but in this one, they came up with the idea to just add the sleeves later using CGI, meaning this is the first onscreen Batman who can actually raise his arms. :trazz: Which explains why he looks so fluid in those shots where he's tearing into groups of guys all at once.

I would've never even thought of it, but it seems to have been a brilliantly simple idea. Imagine, using CGI as a little icing on top instead of the entire damn cake. Who'da thunk it? :trazz:

[Commenter 42]

Good CG is invisible. Good CG is magic. It can be great.

On a side not, I re-watched Star Wars on blu-ray the other day, and man...that CG has not aged well. He butchered those shots...

Also, SW:ANH is, kind of crappy and boring, tbh.

Robbie's costume is growing on me - It's nuts how much the camera loves her.

[Krutch]

I was referring more to his "mask". It looked so very "drawn on". I think that was most people's objection to the costume.

That's more of the same issue though. They wanted it to look unnatural, and most people just read it as "drawn on". Regardless of how it was received, it was still was an intentional decision. When making a mask for The Flash, they'd want it to look as natural as possible.

Also, SW:ANH is, kind of crappy and boring, tbh.

Blasphemy.

[MikeandRaph87]

Danny Trejo known for humor and over the top violence would be perfect for the role of Lobo if reports are true. Where would Lobo fut into DC cinematic puzzle?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/danny-trejo-hints-at-dc-anti-hero-role-225553770.html

[Commenter 42]

Blasphemy.

By the time Vader kills Obi-Wan, I'm done.
And seriously, why is Obi-wan her only hope? Her ONLY hope?

Puh-lease!

[Leo656]

Lots of new stuff.
New pics:
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160125-EmpirePic1.jpg
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160125-EmpirePic6.jpg
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160125-EmpirePic5.jpg
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160125-EmpirePic2.jpg
http://supermanhomepage.com/images/batman-v-superman09/160125-EmpirePic3.jpg

Two new TV spots (The second, Batman-centric one has more brand-new footage):
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And this little doozy, from the "KnightMare Scene" (which I'm more and more convinced isn't actually Bruce's literal nightmare, but a vision given to Diana by the Oracle of Themyscira, as some of the rumors have persisted... but who knows?). Note the image scorched into the ground:
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:o ALL IS ONE IN DARKSEID, BITCHES!:tgrin::tgrin::tgrin:


Not a bad start to the week.

[Commenter 42]

http://media.comicbook.com/2016/01/squareenix-wwfront-scaled-600-166851.jpg

hunh, they actually managed to make this figure look like her... That's impressive.


Not gonna lie, if they get the likeness right in the 1/6 scale, I'll pick it up.

[Leo656]

Yeah, all the super-expensive statues, figures and other swag coming out look tight as hell. I might have to piss my income tax check away on at least some nice things.

Apparently in the new Empire Magazine that's coming out - can't find the links right now, sorry - there's more scuttlebutt about Wonder Woman's involvement as well.

So, in this version, Diana is 5000 years old, and she and the Amazons have been protecting and shepherding humankind for millennia. However, something happened to make the Amazons withdraw from "Man's World" and Diana to abandon her mission - events that we will see play out in her solo film. So she's been "retired" for several decades until something major happens in BvS to force her to get involved and take up the mantle of "Wonder Woman" once again. Zack Snyder himself states that Lex Luthor has a ton of interest in meta-humans, not just Superman, and hints that Diana's involvement is directly connected to this.

This last bit by Snyder directly confirms the leak I have from last summer, which states that Lex already has several meta-humans held captive for study at the Cadmus facility, most notably Aquaman. Supposedly, Diana finds out about Luthor's plans and that's what forces her into action, because the world will fall to ruin if "The Seven" aren't united in time, or something to that effect. She sets Aquaman free and he comes back at the very end of the movie to do the "Han Solo Last Second Rescue" gimmick before taking off back to Atlantis.

Every single new bit of that leak I had from Summer slowly being confirmed is absolutely great news (while people are finally dismissing that Reddit one as fake... it was only debunked a whole two hours after it came out, after all, but weeks later some news sites were still reporting it as "news"). And I'm getting more and more excited for Wonder Woman with every new bit that comes out, too.

[NinjaPug]

At this point I think the thing I'm most excited about regarding this movie is Junkie XL's Batman score. Can't wait to hear it.

[CyberCubed]

When does this come out again? I wish it would come out now. I am tired of waiting.

[Leo656]

March 25th.

[Commenter 42]

When does this come out again? I wish it would come out now. I am tired of waiting.



http://betterlearningforschools.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/batman-on-computer.jpg

[Leo656]

:lol: My wife does that sh*t too. She's got her laptop open and she'll ask me simple questions. I'm like "Google it!" :lol: The internet has erased the need for asking questions and yet nobody uses it correctly.

[Commenter 42]

No, I meant, this is how I imagine Cubed, waiting impatiently, talking to us.

[Leo656]

Ahhhh. See, I would imagine that as big a fan as Cubed is, he would know that those particular Batman gloves should be purple. But I see what you're driving at! :lol:

[Commenter 42]

So, will you be getting royalty checks, or was it a lump sum payment?

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[Leo656]

A new 1:30 teaser of the new Batman theme:
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[CyberCubed]

Sounds alright, too much pounding drum or trumpets in the background though, whatever that is.

[Leo656]

As opposed to every other Batman theme that pretty much does the same thing, just with the notes in a different order? :lol:

[NinjaPug]

Honestly I'm not a fan of that track. I've been so excited to hear Junkie XL's Batman score but that just sounds like a generic version of something Zimmer would do that is too similar to his Superman score.

Still hoping the full score will be incredible. His Fury Road score is so damn good.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'll wait to hear it in the movie, but so far, Zimmer did it better. Also Elfman.

[Leo656]

The full track is supposedly 14 minutes long, which implies there's plenty left to hear.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm so tired of waiting for this movie. The anticipation is killing me!

[Leo656]

((Takes a slow, deliberate "puff" of his pipe, pauses for dramatic effect, then brings forth a barrage of soap bubbles while nodding thoughtfully))

Indeed.

[CyberCubed]

I can't wait either. I just want it to be over with. Its the same feeling I had before Episode 7 to come out. Its like you want that "relief" that you saw the movie and you don't have to think about it anymore.

I want it off my chest!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

((Takes a slow, deliberate "puff" of his pipe, pauses for dramatic effect, then brings forth a barrage of soap bubbles while nodding thoughtfully))

Indeed.

We both know it ain't soap you smoke in a pipe, mang. :tlol:

[Leo656]

We both know it ain't soap you smoke in a pipe, mang. :tlol:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-22-2014/ms8vdl.gif

Bwa-ha-ha. Nice one.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-22-2014/ms8vdl.gif

Bwa-ha-ha. Nice one.

I'll be here all ni--actually, no, for another ten minutes or so.

EDIT: And why the HELL are you using a MLP GIF? that sh!t ain't right, man. Bros don't let bros watch that show.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not a Brony, I take it?

[Amaranthus]

MLP and its fanbase are trash.
That theme is amazing, by the way.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not a Brony, I take it?

I've got a friend at work who sends me these "cringe" compilations off Imgur, and there's ALWAYS one or two Bronies in it with horrible horrible things before I start vomiting and have to stop reading the cringe posts.

Those fans need to be purged with holy fire and fed to the appetite of the Great Destroyer to atone for their sins. :tlol:

[Leo656]

I don't deal with other fans and never will, so I don't know anything about all that. All I know is that show is f*cking aaaaaawesome.

The Rainbow Dash plush on my end table is eyeing you all with utter contempt. You have made a powerful enemy this day.

But no it's actually a really good show.

[Vicky82]

Apparently they got another trailer coming out.

http://www.albertafilmratings.ca/recentclasstrailers.aspx

[Leo656]

Yeah, either Super Bowl or Deadpool, allegedly. Even money says Super Bowl. DC/WB always blows money on Super Bowl spots and their marketing budget for this movie is supposedly comically large. It would be out of form for them NOT to have it there.

I almost forgot, I was at Target and saw some of the new toys and action figures. I didn't get any but they're pretty neat. They had a lot of Armor Batmans, one Armor Superman, a couple "plain" Superman and Batman figures, and one Aquaman, but no Wonder Woman. :ohwell: The voice-changing Armor Batman Mask for kids is pretty neat. They're doing some cool stuff for this. I might actually pick up a few figures, maybe just one of each character or something, I usually don't do variants but regular Batman/Armor Batman would be an obvious exception. I didn't pick up any Man of Steel figures but these look a lot better anyways.

[TigerClaw]

Check out these Batman v Superman Promos from Turkish Airlines.

Gotham City

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Metropolis

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[Leo656]

Haha, that's terrific.

Should say "Welcome to Metropolis, Watch For Falling Debris." :trazz::lol:

[sdp]

Those commercials were great and I believe we see Ben Affleck post-surgery right?

[Amaranthus]

I'm totally loving Lex. I don't care what everyone says.

[Leo656]

People are coming around. It ain't just you, dawg.

Both of those things had a huge blowup on YouTube over the last 12 hours, and the buzz on both Ben as Bruce and Jesse as Lex has been overwhelmingly positive. Notably so among many who were once skeptical about either or both of them.

It's almost like there needed to be more context before people judged too harshly, or something. :trazz:

[Krutch]

I'm hating this Lex with the fury of a thousand suns.

Bruce is working for me, though.

[Leo656]

These Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Prequel Comics are awesome. I just wish they came up larger, but they're readable. Not very long, either, but they are wonderful snapshots of the characters and the universe they're in. Please take the time to read them, they're short and they are worth it. They're honestly the best movie tie-in comics I've ever read. The character and world-building is terrific. Please check 'em out.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/learn-more-about-the-dc-films-universe-by-reading-every-batman-a130699

So apparently, as I've suspected and been saying, Lex is entirely John Byrne and Marv Wolfman's Lex, just younger and thinner (and occasionally squeakier :trazz:). But character-wise, he's exactly the same guy. This is good news.

I totally heard Amy Adams's voice in my head while reading the Lois one. That one also came off strikingly similar to Byrne's scripting of Lois, which again, is a good thing. The more and more they build up this world, the more all of it resembles the actual "Man of Steel" version from the comics, albeit with some superficial changes. I appreciate that.

They're all pretty spiffy. A+.

[Xiewin]

Someone leaked the 3rd trailer

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Someone leaked the 3rd trailer

Cle_rKBpZ28

I just finished watching that on Batman-News.com! :teek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cle_rKBpZ28

43 days left...

[NinjaPug]

Someone leaked the 3rd trailer

Cle_rKBpZ28

I wouldn't call releasing the official copy a leak.

This was the best trailer so far.

[Autbot_Benz]

ya that trailer should have been the first one. That batman fight scene with the thugs was awesome.

[sdp]

This new trailer is good and shows what a mistake the previous trailer was.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This trailer sucks as a Superman movie trailer; it is rather too heavily Batman focused. I think the first two trailers are much better vehicles for framing the Batman V Superman concept...

Still, I loved this trailer as I am much more a Batman fan. :twink:

[CyberCubed]

I still don't like this Luthor. Even if its a "farce" the fact that the majority of screentime of his character will be like that is still awful.

[ZariusTwo]

This trailer sucks as a Superman movie trailer; it is rather too heavily Batman focused. I think the first two trailers are much better vehicles for framing the Batman V Superman concept...

Still, I loved this trailer as I am much more a Batman fan. :twink:

I read tweets from someone claiming that WB are "very concerned" about the movie and made the decision on this being Bat-oriented as a "safe bet"

[Krutch]

Cool trailer that has done nothing to sway my opinions on the movie since they announced the sequel in the first place.

I think how you feel about this movie will greatly tie in how you felt about MoS.

I'm really happy for anyone who's enjoying this. Honestly. I just wish it were more for me. Ah well.

Affleck's looks like he's gonna be the bomb, though. Just like in Phantoms ;)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I read tweets from someone claiming that WB are "very concerned" about the movie and made the decision on this being Bat-oriented as a "safe bet"

I doubt WB is worried about this film anymore; maybe way back when, but from what I've seen, most people have come around and are eagerly (fanatically) awaiting this film's debut.

I still don't like this Luthor. Even if its a "farce" the fact that the majority of screentime of his character will be like that is still awful.

This is still my one gripe about the movie; I'm prepared to have my opinion changed once I actually see the film, but this nerdy long-hair hipster Luthor is just... gah. He'd better wow me.

[CyberCubed]

Batman is what the fans want.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Batman is what the fans want.

Too true... but as a Batman fan, I honestly wanted a straight-up Man of Steel 2. Still, this is gonna be fantastic!

[MikeandRaph87]

Too true... but as a Batman fan, I honestly wanted a straight-up Man of Steel 2. Still, this is gonna be fantastic!

Seconded, every word of it.

[Krutch]

Actually, in taking back what I said earlier... I think I'm going to go into this movie pretending Man of Steel never happened. It might actually work better for me.

[CyberCubed]

Actually, in taking back what I said earlier... I think I'm going to go into this movie pretending Man of Steel never happened. It might actually work better for me.

Well it is a soft-reboot. They know you don't have to watch Man of Steel to see this.

[Shred87]

Best trailer yet, still think they've given away too many plot points

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well it is a soft-reboot. They know you don't have to watch Man of Steel to see this.

No, it's not a soft reboot. They're not changing or ignoring anything from the first movie.

That's like calling The Avengers a soft reboot of the Iron Man franchise. :trolleye:

[CyberCubed]

Its kind of a soft-reboot. This is a new Batman, but we're treated as if we know his history. This is a sequel to Man of Steel, but its also sort of not since you don't have to see that movie to understand this one.

Its a fresh start.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Its kind of a soft-reboot. This is a new Batman, but we're treated as if we know his history. This is a sequel to Man of Steel, but its also sort of not since you don't have to see that movie to understand this one.

Its a fresh start.

You are incorrect.

The fallout of Man of Steel is a direct contributor to the tone and events of this movie. Wayne Enterprises getting crushed to the ground by Zod? Hell, they're getting Doomsday from Zod's corpse.

You don't HAVE to watch the first movie, but most movie franchises try to make each movie as independently accessible as possible. I saw The Avengers before I saw any of the MCU movies except for Iron Man 1 because my wife's friend dragged us to it. The Dark Knight can be watched without Batman Begins... and dozens of other examples.

[NinjaPug]

This isn't a soft reboot at all.

[CyberCubed]

Well what do you call a movie that acts as a clean slate and can be watched independently of the others?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well what do you call a movie that acts as a clean slate and can be watched independently of the others?

It's absolutely not acting as a clean slate.

[NinjaPug]

Except this movie isn't a clean slate. The events of MoS are literally the reason this movie is happening.

[Bry]

I guess it technically represents a full reboot for Batman, as this version of the character doesn't follow any previous series... But it's 100% a direct follow-up to Man of Steel and references and relies on the events of that movie a lot for even its basic plot. So... nah, not a soft reboot at all.

[CyberCubed]

The Batman side is the reboot. So half a reboot.

[Bry]

I'd say it's more of a situation that Man of Steel began a universe-wide reboot of sorts and this movie is just continuing it. It's a sequel in a rebooted universe, but not a reboot itself.

[Commenter 42]

Like I said from the beginning; this isn't Superman, it's Snyder's alien invasion phobia.

He can't shoot action to save his life. Violently shaking the camera, and adding excessive motion blur, doesn't add intrigue; follow the action, don't obscure it, and if possible, allow the action to happen inside the frame, do not impose the action on the scene with your framing.

It's so GD simple. Also, it's 2016. We has colors.
If you liked the two sequels to the Expendables, this a' movie, isa far youse'a.

Also, not for nothing, but if I'm "Superman", I'm not getting hung up on Amy Adams, ever. (Especially when even my earth-mom is hotter.)

[CyberCubed]

According to this thread on neogaf linking to a news article, WB has noticed the negative fan backlash against the Batman/Superman trailers, and they're thinking about pushing back the Justice League movie and all the future Batman/Superman ones:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1183007

Wonder Woman movie should be unaffected. Makes you wonder if they'll focus more on Batfleck and Supes will get pushed aside depending on how well received Batman is.

[Leo656]

Doubt it. The overwhelming majority of "chatter" has been overwhelmingly positive and only gotten moreso with each new trailer. The whiniest ones are still making noise, but there's fewer of them every day, and tons more, "I wasn't sure, but NOW..."

It makes sense that the fact that not 100% of people are on board makes them nervous, because by now there's really nothing left to complain about, but some people made up their minds three years ago and were never going to be swayed. At some point you just have to realize you're not pleasing everyone and settle for Most People instead.

The only real concern is simply the fact that there are simply too many comic book movies this year, really close together, which is good for all of us, but bad for the studios. Analysts genuinely predict that every single one of them is going to under-perform to some degree, but what can you do? When they all planned their movie slates three years ago, they assumed people loved these movies so much they'd see all of them multiple times, and many do, but it's still not the same. Even someone who goes to see every comic book movie this year, is probably going to see each one fewer times than they would otherwise, just because it gets expensive. If you have, say, three comic book movies out in one year, a big fan might see each of them 3-5 times, an average person who really likes it might go twice. But with 6 or more movies in the same genre coming out so rapidly, you figure a Big Fan might see each one 2, 3 times max and anyone else probably once and then wait for the DVD.

I think that's why all the studios are pushing for two movies per year instead of one, from now on, try to spread it around and make some of that money back. You don't lose as much if half the time you're "competing" with your own company. Makes sense.

It's actually going to be kind of humorous to see a lot of people's anxiety go away once the actual movie finally comes out. Some people aren't gonna be down for it but the majority are going to be very pleasantly surprised. I mean, it wasn't really that long ago that a LOT of people were convinced "Batman Begins" was going to be awful, all the way up until release. Stuff has a funny way of sorting itself out.
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Forgot to mention, that is one amazing trailer. That scene of Batman wrecking those dudes is sick, in particular. Everything's great, it's really at the point where people who aren't digging it need a bigger shovel. The "complaints" are just the pickiest of nits. That part, all the gnashing of teeth and predictions of doom n' gloom, I won't miss at all.

[NinjaPug]

WB might be a little uneasy about how BvS is going to perform but I doubt they're already looking to alter their future film schedule a month and a half before release. That's ridiculous.

[mrmaczaps]

People really see movies more than once in theater? Huh. BvS really hasn't sold me that the story will email well written and coherent but the looks of Bats & Superman I have come to live with... I didn't care for MOS at all, but these comicons book movie pander to the lowest common denominator and lots of explosions.

A lot of entertainment today is all flash and no substance. Oh well though. The movie people just want to make money and as long as "fans" go see it and monies come in....

[CyberCubed]

I think WB really shot themselves in a foot not giving us a solo Batman film before this movie. Its just poor planning.

The moment the Nolan trilogy wrapped up back in 2012 they should have had a new solo Batman film in 2014.

[Leo656]

Not everyone does but a lot of people do see movies they like at least twice, especially comic book movies. A large chunk of the audience that goes to these kinds of movies goes an average of two or three times. Studios count on that. They definitely crave that "That was SO COOL, I have to see it AGAIN!" response from as many people as possible. Which works out great, BUT, it's a packed year, every studio is hedging their bets, not just WB.
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Meanwhile, this is interesting to me. Consider: There's a TMNT movie coming out in a few months that is the textbook definition of "all-flash and no substance", was shot in a couple weeks with NO script, and is CLEARLY aimed at the "Lowest common denominator".

THEN you have this movie, with a script written by an Oscar-winning writer, that's been in development for three years, ONE entire year dedicated solely to post-production. And a director who openly declares that comic book movies should be - GASP - heavily inspired by the comics they were based on and embrace the mythology without tinkering with it or being otherwise ashamed of it. Imagine that. "Let's just do the comics, but bigger." About goddamn time. :lol:

This is interesting to me, because the first example given is of filmmakers Doing Everything Exactly Wrong, while this movie on the other hand is far more in the vein of Doing Everything They're Supposed To Do. As such, I can say with all sincerity, I don't know how you can come up with that kind of opinion on this one. Movies like TMNT2, Jem, stuff like that... yes, total "lowest common denominator", misfired on Everything Possible, no regard at all for what they're trying to adapt, I can see how you can say that stuff about those kinda flicks... but none of that applies to this flick as far as I can see. I'unno man. They did the work with this one. In fact, few movies made in the last few years PERIOD have the pedigree, or the amount of work and care put into it, that this one does, comic book movie or otherwise. And those are facts.
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I honestly don't know what neogaf is, generally speaking, but I do end up clicking links like that one that take me there during my obsessive following of the movie's development, and I will say, the few times I ended up there the rumors being kicked around were bullsh*t.

So yeah, I doubt it. I mean nothing is impossible but the truth is, the buzz is REALLY good. It's just NOT as good as they initially hoped when they announced this whole endeavor. due to the kind of year it's going to be. Of course they're not "relaxing" but I doubt they're panicking. It would actually end up costing them way more in the long run to do that kind of massive and sudden shift, rather than just stay the course and tinker things as necessary based on what people react to most in this one.

I did hear some scuttlebutt very recently that some movies might be coming out sooner than originally planned, some later, and some they still don't have entirely worked out yet, like Shazam! and GL Corps. So they're still tinkering things long-term, definitely, but I haven't heard anything about a Panic Button, not at all.

In fact, most recent thing I heard was that Deathstroke is officially off-limits for the DC TV shows for the foreseeable future because they want to save him for either a Batman movie or a Titans movie (which may end up being what was originally slotted in as the Cyborg movie). Which sucks for DCTV fans but is great news for the upcoming movies.

I think WB really shot themselves in a foot not giving us a solo Batman film before this movie. Its just poor planning.

The moment the Nolan trilogy wrapped up back in 2012 they should have had a new solo Batman film in 2014.

Nope. We've had plenty of Batman solo movies. We've NEVER had a team-up movie this big, with these particular iconic characters. PLUS, 2014 was still too soon for people to "get over" Bale. Some people never will, but now, after finally seeing more of what we're actually getting, all that "Best Batman Ever" talk is becoming Accepted Fact by more and more people. Plus, not only do you establish Batman in this movie, you get to simultaneously establish his connection to several other important characters occupying the same universe. They're able to tell A Lot More Story a lot more efficiently.

No matter what anyone says, the WORST thing DC/WB ever could have done, would be to copy the Marvel formula, and do 2 or 3 solo films for each character before doing Justice League. You don't NEED to do that, and frankly, even though most Marvel films are "good" you can toss out 2/3s of them, they DON'T intersect and they DON'T play off each other as much or as organically as they pretend they do. The way DC/WB is establishing their universe is going to be MUCH bigger and more cohesive by the time it's over, and a lot of that has to do with how they've chosen to balance this movie. There are a lot of seemingly-incidental things that are going to lead to Huge Things a few movies down the line. They're simply not taking the lazy approach to "world-building", simply having a recognizable character from another movie pop up after the credits. That was cute, for years and years, but I think we can try doing it a little differently now.

You'll get your solo Batman movie in 2.5 years and it'll be awesome. We get "bigger" stuff, meanwhile, stuff we've never seen in a movie before. That's more exciting than seeing him meet Joker for the 80th time. By now, with Batman of ALL characters, you're entirely allowed to join the story in progress. Everyone knows it already, no need to retread. Make it Bigger, move it forward. That's what they're doing, and they're correct to do so.

He could be younger but that's nitpicking.

[CyberCubed]

Leo, neogaf is a gaming community that also has forums for movies/tv shows/comics...etc. anything really.

[Leo656]

Okay, fine. Sounds like they toss a lot of nonsense around. :lol: Like I said, I've chased a small handful of rumors to that place but they've all been false.

Also, I edited my above comment to reply to yours.

[CyberCubed]

I just want Batfleck to get a lot of screentime, which we won't get if he's always co-starring movies with other superheroes.

http://i.imgur.com/wTeuKZN.jpg

Seems like Wonder Woman may get more screentime than expected. It would surprise me since she's barely in any of the trailers I thought she was going to be low-key.

[NinjaPug]

This whole rumor started from McWeeny at HitFix and Faraci at BMD. Both can be polarizing reporters but if they're saying that WB is concerned about this movie then it's true.

[Leo656]

Cubed: It's complicated. She doesn't have an enormous amount of screentime, especially in-costume, BUT, she has an enormous impact on the plot in several ways, and everything she does is important. Make sense?

And don't worry, they're heavily invested in this new Batman and how awesome he is. Thus, the Batman-centric trailer. The first quarter of the movie in particular spends a lot of time establishing him before the plot takes over. The ultimate goal is to establish a version of Batman who doesn't feel out of place rubbing shoulders with Titans like Superman and Wonder Woman, not just a guy patrolling a few blocks every night. The JLA movies will be about Global Threats, rather than the more familiar, intimate villains of the solo films. They need a Batman who's more of a heavy-hitter than others have been. It's been said that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman will ALL have a presence in other DC films to some degree, even ones they don't appear in will reference them in some way, because they're Super Important Characters.

So yeah, it's all pretty exciting and I think you're gonna like it.

This whole rumor started from McWeeny at HitFix and Faraci at BMD. Both can be polarizing reporters but if they're saying that WB is concerned about this movie then it's true.

We'll see. There are "degrees" of Concern. There's, "I hope we do really well with this, we've sure invested a lot of time and money," which is natural and expected. "Let's Panic and stat throwing crap at the wall", though... again, since when, yesterday? Every bit of feedback is positive and independent market analysts expect it to be one of the biggest-grossing movies of the year. It would be an easy Number One in a less-packed year; that's literally the only thing to be concerned about, how many people are "saving their money" for something else, but I honestly doubt that's going to be a huge concern, ultimately.

Again, we'll see. 10 months ago, the word was the Wonder Woman project was "a disaster" with no firm direction, now it's getting huge buzz and everyone's excited. Stuff happens.

[Sumac]

Last trailer looked almost interesting. Superman almost presented as a villain. Would have been an interesting angle, if the whole marketing campaign was built around that idea, with no mention of other heroes and Lex Luthor.

I still have suspicions that this movie will be a mess, but at least Batman parts will be good and that's something.

[Krutch]

I still have suspicions that this movie will be a mess, but at least Batman parts will be good and that's something.

What I've been saying all along :lol:

[Leo656]

Some people should make Being Wrong their paid position in life.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Some people should make Being Wrong their paid position in life.

I would go broke in that job.

[NinjaPug]

So yeah, it's all pretty exciting and I think you're gonna like it.We'll see. There are "degrees" of Concern. There's, "I hope we do really well with this, we've sure invested a lot of time and money," which is natural and expected. "Let's Panic and stat throwing crap at the wall", though... again, since when, yesterday? Every bit of feedback is positive and independent market analysts expect it to be one of the biggest-grossing movies of the year. It would be an easy Number One in a less-packed year; that's literally the only thing to be concerned about, how many people are "saving their money" for something else, but I honestly doubt that's going to be a huge concern, ultimately.

Again, we'll see. 10 months ago, the word was the Wonder Woman project was "a disaster" with no firm direction, now it's getting huge buzz and everyone's excited. Stuff happens.

WB was also "concerned" about Fury Road last year simply because they didn't know what they had or how the public would respond. I'd say those concerns were unwarranted.

This comes with the territory on these bigger budget films but especially on this one because it's essentially their launching point into 10 additions movies over the next 5 years. There is a lot on the line if this one doesn't meet expectations.

[The Deadman]

The Batman side is the reboot. So half a reboot.

>Tries to claim this movie is a reboot
>Is proven wrong several times
>Then tries to say only the "BATMAN SIDE!" is a reboot

Unless they explore Batman's origins AGAIN then you would be correct. If anything the solo Affleck Batman movie will be a reboot.

[Amaranthus]

I want to beat Cubed with a baseball bat.

[CyberCubed]

Unless they explore Batman's origins AGAIN then you would be correct. If anything the solo Affleck Batman movie will be a reboot.

There's already a flashback with young Bruce in the movie. And the Batman side is a reboot. This Batman never existed before even if we're 20 years into his career.

At least they're not doing day 1 Batman again. We've seen that too many times.

They are finally giving us exactly what we want. Its the year 2016 and we're finally getting what should have happened in the late 90's or early 2000's. We waited 15 years for this.

[Commenter 42]

We waited 15 years for this.

Maybe you did, I sure as hell didn't. This is the textbook definition of boring.

It is just like TMNT, except that inplace of goofy juvenile humour, it's depressing and morose. Both companies have cherry picked from source, and so far, as much as I hate PDMT, the sequel might be fun, if all kinds of wrong.

If PDMT is cotton candy, BVS is the resulting cavity and root canal.
Not saying I want a Cotton Candy WB, but they could ease off the emo grunge by a factor of 10.
I know you hate my soapboxing Leo, but if you and friends can grandstand and tell dissenters we're "wrong", then meh, the field is open.

I'm predicting a massively negative response to BVS. I haven't convinced myself of it, the trailers and marketing have.
Save this post, and feel free to rub it in my face forever if i'm wrong, but i'm calling it now...reception will be no better than 50% positive, with a decay rate of three months until the overwhelming majority is nonplussed.

Come September, the common response to the DCEU will be:

I didn't love BVS, but that one scene was cool; I really enjoyed suicide squad, and i think Justice league will be awesome! Can't wait for Affleck to Direct Batman, did you see Argo?


Calling it now. If I'm wrong, I'll carry a picture of Affleck in my underwear for a week.

[Amaranthus]

Calling it now. If I'm wrong, I'll carry a picture of Affleck in my underwear for a week.

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[Leo656]

I'm predicting a massively negative response to BVS. I haven't convinced myself of it, the trailers and marketing have.
Save this post, and feel free to rub it in my face forever if i'm wrong,.

No, yeah, you didn't at all convince yourself three years ago you hated everything they're doing and been digging and digging for everything to cling to that ever since. Never you. :roll:

All because you can't get over Reeve, and don't think (for some reason I'll never agree with or understand) that making a comic book movie based on the source material is the correct way to go. You're hung up on all the wrong things, like trunks on costumes or the exact facial resemblance of a character, or how closely one version of a character represents a NON-CANON version of a character from another movie 40 years ago.

The reasons for your angst are the most shallow and nonsensical imaginable when the whole thing looks exactly like it should. That's my problem. It started three years ago with "It's not like the Reeve movie, I hate it and everything connected with it going forward." And that's a really shaky foundation to build your platform of hatred on.

[Sumac]

Some people should make Being Wrong their paid position in life.
We all know who took position of Insecure Pretender, though. :P

Anyway, the last rumor about WB retooling their whole movie schedule to center it around Batman are probably just rumors, however, I believe, there are indeed could be concerns about BvS. And its easy to see, why people believed this information: the whole thing looks like a mess, if you look at it from the side.

With Snyder at the helm, I doubt, I will like it much, even if it more than a solid movie. His style-over-substance approach is just something that I don't appreciate. Anyway, it will be interesting to observe resulting fallout.

[Commenter 42]

No, yeah, you didn't at all convince yourself three years ago you hated everything they're doing and been digging and digging for everything to cling to that ever since. Never you. :roll:

All because you can't get over Reeve, and don't think (for some reason I'll never agree with or understand) that making a comic book movie based on the source material is the correct way to go. You're hung up on all the wrong things, like trunks on costumes or the exact facial resemblance of a character, or how closely one version of a character represents a NON-CANON version of a character from another movie 40 years ago.

The reasons for your angst are the most shallow and nonsensical imaginable when the whole thing looks exactly like it should. That's my problem. It started three years ago with "It's not like the Reeve movie, I hate it and everything connected with it going forward." And that's a really shaky foundation to build your platform of hatred on.


I've moved on from the Reeve thing. I think I agree, having spent some time re-watching the old movies, and looking over my collection of superman stuff, that Reeve isn't really my definition of Superman today. I'll be honest; he's kind of goofy.

I know i went apeshit previously, but that was a whole bag of nostalgia talking, and yeah, i think i was a little off base. i can admit that.

On the flipside, you've reduced my argument to a whole lot less than what i said in those pages a few months back, and that's not fair. My BIGGEST issue wasn't really the underwear - I just think if you're going to go with "he wears a cape and red boots and spandex...welll, underwear isn't a huge ****ing stretch mate.

On the flip side, after watching MOS, YOU, yes, You opined exactly what I did... Here on this site no less.
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So you've changed your mind - point is, we once agreed, that this Superman doesn't feel like Superman...

but people change, over time...

we grow distant...

tears.

[CyberCubed]

You guys stalk each others visitor messages? I find that interesting. I don't even use visitor messages as I've turned the option off.

[Commenter 42]

No ...

I stalked his messages...

Leo doesn't even know I exist :cry:
I keep hanging round his locker after school, and he just ignores me, (even after that one time under the bleachers.)

Anyways...


BVS needs more Bollywood. I'm asking for just a smidge more dancing. a pitance of dancing is all i ask. That's it. from alex luthor. The watusi. The watusi in a tutu.

HC_x2B5K7Es


Ok fine, The watusi in a tutu and a bolo. That's all....

[Slade]

I've moved on from the Reeve thing. I think I agree, having spent some time re-watching the old movies, and looking over my collection of superman stuff, that Reeve isn't really my definition of Superman today. I'll be honest; he's kind of goofy.

I know i went apeshit previously, but that was a whole bag of nostalgia talking, and yeah, i think i was a little off base. i can admit that.



Welcome to the dark side!

On a side note, I actually think Cubed is an imp now..

[Commenter 42]

I'm not saying BVS is good...I'm not crazy...:P

I am saying Reeve was great in his day, but my nostalgia was working overtime. It's possible to build a better Superman...

My best guess is that Cubed really is Scott Baio, whose pulled a Brian Wilson, but instead of dreaming he gained 300lbs, actually did, and now he can't leave the house...
ever.

That, or he's secretly HRC.

or Scott Bakula, and this next leap, might be his leap home..

[Leo656]

The thing is, I *did* completely change my mind, on a lot of things about MoS, the more times I saw it, and the more times I saw it shortly after reading some of the comics it borrowed from, along with seeing it with different people in the room and absorbing more people's honest opinions on it. The first time I saw it on opening night, I made a HUGE mistake: I spent a week watching the Reeve movies and "Returns" to get all hyped up... and I got something completely different. My brain couldn't handle the disconnect. I liked a lot of the movie but lots of it left me with mixed feelings. There's still things I wouldn't have done. Jon Kent, almost not at all. The ONE thing they take from "Birthright" (I'd prefer they take NOTHING from "Birthright", that book was terrible, BUT I truly feel Zack was trying to borrow from ALL the comic book versions to some degree, so anyway, if you "have" to...), and it's one of the worst things. The scene in the barn, and the scene after the bullies were picking on Clark... those were perfect. That whole "You're going to change everything just because you exist" stuff, that's exactly the kind of mindset you have to look at Superman with, that level of awe. His existence, given his power and potential, WOULD be a world-changing event. And I truly appreciate a movie that examines ALL the angles if that, good and bad, from "You're going to inspire people to greatness" to "...Yeah, some people might be afraid of you." That's exactly how you have guys like Luthor exist in the first place and be credible, if they're not the only ones who think that way. So yeah, address the insecurity and paranoia that some people might feel when faced with a guy like this. Good for the story.

...But that "maybe you should'a let those kids die" bit, and the tornado... I'unno WHAT that was about. Honestly? I think the former, was them trying to stick a piece of "Birthright" where it didn't fit simply because they felt they had to, and that's the kind of nonsense Jon Kent would say in that version. But "Birthright" is a sh*tty Superman origin story and I wish they didn't do that. The tornado, I feel was studio pressure for One More Big SFX Moment, along with the misguided idea that Jon's death be part of some kind of "event" (frankly, I don't think you need to kill him off, period, but that's my preference) rather than a quiet moment.

But really, the more I watched the movie, the more I realized that those two things were the only things at all I didn't like. A lot of things I didn't like, I came to love, and some things I thought I felt would have been "better" didn't make sense upon introspection. That "just cover Zod's eyes" thing for example... I was wrong. I really had to think about that, but it's like, then what? He was NEVER going to stop. He couldn't send him back to the Phantom Zone. Kryptonite doesn't exist yet that they know of. They'd already fought into space and back. People were dying by the second. Every single other thing Superman could have done, wouldn't have stopped anything. They still could have put that over way, way more than they did - and immediately cutting to a "jokey" scene was just bizarre and out-of-place... I strongly suspect a studio-mandated edit for time, there, because it feels like there should be some kind of scene in between - but anyway, he DID have to kill Zod. I had to really think about it, and hear a lot of other people's opinions that by then he just had to stop the fight. I still believe they did want to show that this was a Superman who was willing to "go there", because of the modern trends and yadda yadda, BUT, since it's directly being addressed in-story as being part of his ongoing growth, personal narrative, and Hero's Journey as something he learns from, I can't find fault with it anymore. It was a good decision. it kept to the spirit of the comic book story where he did it, even though the scenario was entirely different. "Zod won't stop, threatens to kill everyone, Superman kills one person to save billions, and it tortures him because he still wishes he DID have another way but he didn't." Thematically, it was the same; scenario-wise, entirely different. But you need to keep the spirit of the story, not the literal footprints. Anyways, all that "cover his eyes and fly him away" stuff was nonsense. I had to see the movie a bunch to realize, "Wait, they DID keep doing all that kind of stuff and none of it worked." Some people will never accept ANY scenario where Superman kills someone, and I get that, and I also get "It's a movie, they could have written anything," but I still think it was a good decision.

For one thing, it creates a valid reason for some people to wonder what his principles are, who holds him accountable, what's going to stop him from doing it again, or worse... and those are things that the Superman comics have ALWAYS addressed, even without getting luthor and Batman involved, although that too is Simply Obvious. The comic book journey of Superman has always been, "Arrives on Earth, throws his weight around according to his own personal code of Justice, is considered a hero to some and a menace to others, BUT, through his consistent actions as a hero, protector, and defender, is eventually beloved by all but a vicious and petty few." And that's a journey I find interesting. So, sure, in the first movie, literally the first DAY he's Superman, you have him get in over his head, knock over a city, be forced to publicly execute someone... all that isn't a huge stretch for the imagination, y'know? :lol: The guy literally has no idea HOW to be "Superman" yet, after all, and that story, again, is as old as the character. And it fits the usual "Year One" stuff the comics do with him. THEN, when you pick the story up again, you ostensibly try to show that he ISN'T that same guy anymore, that he's grown and been changed by those experiences, and is well along the path to becoming the "established" Superman character.
Example: In the trailers for BvS, during the "action/fight scenes" there's obviously a ton of damage being done, which has some people nervous, and understandably so. What those people don't know or may not realize, is that (conveniently :trazz:), huge sections of Metropolis and Gotham are being rebuilt and are vacant or abandoned. Most of the action scenes take place in these abandoned areas as Superman and Batman both make every possible attempt to avoid violence anywhere people might get hurt. Superman, in this film, is MUCH more aware of exactly how powerful he is, where in the first film, he was a raging bull.

Story progression? Character development? What's THAT?! :trazz:


Part 2 comin' up. :trazz: I want to touch on a few other things, but this sums up a lot of why I changed my mind about MoS over time and repeat viewings.

[Leo656]

Moving on, I appreciate that you've reconsidered how much a role nostalgia may have played in earlier points of disagreement. And frankly, Reeve, in and of himself, was fine! He had so much charm and charisma in that role, it's no wonder people hold on so tightly. BUT... that means they also overlook how much was wrong with the movies he was in, and how out-of-character he had to act due to the ridiculousness of the plots. Because like it or not, the comic book Superman, the "real canon" Superman... he does occasionally knock over a city while fighting bad guys, but he would NEVER give up being Superman for p*ssy. "I love her too much, f*ck my responsibilities". The movie creates an artificial "no-win" scenario where he CAN'T have BOTH. You can't be a super-hero AND get the girl? You're Superman, dude! And then 3 and 4 had their own problems. But HE was fine, they just disregarded comics canon entirely for stories that were, objectively, pretty sh*tty, and had him occasionally behave rather un-Superman-like. Which I also hear people say about MoS, but my main problem is that some folks pretend the old films weren't equally guilty if not moreso. I mean, not only CAN'T he go back in time to save people from dying, he WOULDN'T, because that makes him God and he's well aware he isn't. So right there, the "best" Superman movie ever is turned inside-out by its own ending, which has the guy do something he cannot and would not do, simply because... "We had no other way to end the movie." Their own admission. That. Is. TERRIBLE.

So yeah, great depiction of the character himself, certainly... in movies that got every detail wrong but the origin and the costume. But the persona and visuals, well, he was IT, for sure. The way he carried himself, all that. But those few out-of-character moments were HUGE to the point where I'm amazed they get ignored so easily. It shows you how much people can accept when your lead is so charismatic. It's not his fault, he didn't write the movies. Except the fourth one. That was all him. C'MON, Chris! :trazz:

Anyways, here's a few things that I love about the comics from 86-onwards, and what that means for the movies since they're borrowing so heavily from that specific period of the books: Clark finally got to be happy and well-adjusted, eventually. Forget being "Superman", that was his job, but "Clark Kent" became a Pulitzer-winning journalist, an award-winning novelist, at one point became managing editor of Newstime Magazine, did as much to shut down Luthor and Intergang through his exposes by day as he did by beating them with his fists at night, AND he got to be married to Lois (at which point it was implied they got freaky alllll the time, and good for them, I say! :trazz:). But not only that, but it was "Clark the good person" Lois fell for, not, "Superman the flying god who could literally move mountains if I asked him to", and that is SO much better for both of those characters.

Now, clearly, we are still going to see Clark "working things out" in this movie, because for one thing people are still kinda mad at him. And he's trying to do what he can to win people over, but it's hard, and he's still trying to weight what he Can Do vs. what he Should Do, and that's all very interesting. BUT. We also see Clark who's a very proactive investigative journalist; the job isn't just a "disguise", it's one of his tools. That's very nice, because I enjoy a Clark who isn't just a put-upon louse when he has the glasses on. We also see Clark sharing a naughty little bathtub frolic with Lois, which, again, shows that it's not all "doom n' gloom" for the guy. He's in a good place in his life, for the first time EVER, in fact, he's just not sure why some people won't stop yelling at him and it's kind of a bummer, since he just wants to help and people won't let him. I been there. I feel you, Clark! You're just misunderstood, guy! Hang in there! :trazz: But no, the script goes to lengths to establish how much Clark has grown in the interim since MoS. Finally seeing him in a real relationship with Lois, especially, intrigues me. Some may not like Amy and she wouldn't have been my first pick but she's the best movie Lois so far, and she's good enough for me. They're finally making her Clark's support system and not a f*cking brat, in a movie, so frankly, she could be played by a broomstick and it'd be an improvement over Kidder and whatserface. :trazz:

Meanwhile, I also love the world-building for this universe, both big and small. No other comic book movie has put as much work into their shared universe, and they're exactly two movies in. But between the Easter eggs, the viral marketing, the fake in-character interviews and "news articles", we already know a lot of things. We know Kord Technologies exists, which hints to Blue Beetle. We know that at least part of the Robin mythology is intact. We know Jason Todd may or may not be out there somewhere, waiting. We know at least SOME of the Titans exist in some form or fashion. We know Joker and Harley are visually different but their stories are heavily based on the comic book origins. We know that Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman cast a shadow over everything that happens everywhere else, and that things they do in one movie will trickle over into movies they're not even directly involved in (such as characters in Suicide Squad mentioning Superman in the first trailer). We know that superhumans emerging is changing the world's entire geopolitical landscape and that people like Luthor are taking advantage of that. We know Darkseid and Apokolips exist, which means New Genesis, the New Gods, and the Source Wall all probably exist in these movies too.

Again, I'm a comics fan first, and this stuff... this is the most exciting stuff to happen in comic book movies for me, ever. All my life it was, "Movies can't be like the comics, it costs too much." And I made peace with that. Then comes a guy like Snyder, and you may not dig his personal style towards colors and angles, but when he says, "NOTHING is too big, we want to embrace everything that makes DC Comic Books great, distill it, and turn it into movies"... That right there is a guy telling me exactly what I want to hear. Maybe some people who weren't weaned on comic books don't like it. He says "Time to go big or go home", I say "F*ck yeah, about time."

I see Batman f***ing guys up and it's shot-for-shot from the comics AND the games, how can anyone NOT be thrilled with that? All the little framing techniques where he has the shots look exactly like comic panels - it's subtle, but it's entirely on purpose. And that's what they SHOULD do! Comics panels are storyboards! It's so simple, blow up what's on the page, make it 40 feet tall, and make it real. That's all they're doing. Works for me!

F*ck it, man, I just can't get why some people aren't just "Not my thing", but SO sold on how bad this is supposed to be. It's not. At all. It looks, to me, like what every comic book movie so far didn't figure out how to do properly yet. And it has me super-excited for everything coming up, from Wonder Woman to the solo Batman flicks to Green lantern Corps, and even Shazam. I just can't help but be bewildered by the possibilities that Snyder and Co.'s approach to this shared universe presents.

I mean, just consider... what if they did a Shazam!/Superman movie?! :o Again, people who don't get comics wouldn't get why that's a big deal, but, that would be a HUGE deal! And it might happen! Maybe not, but we at least might see them interact in live action, which is still a big deal even if it's in a JLA movie or whatever.

Anyways, I'm happy. I just want it to get here so some people can be pleasantly surprised and the ones who were never gonna like it anyway can move on to the next thing. I did read an article about the "WB nervous" rumor, but every single user comment under it said "Bullsh*t, this looks amazing". And that IS the majority opinion, so honestly, if WB did get nervous and throw out the baby with the bathwater before they even see the receipts... well, that's foolish.

I DO think they will do a solo Batman movie sooner than originally planned, though. I just doubt they'll bump Justice League and heavily shift gears on everything else just to make it happen. If anything they'll bump something like Cyborg or Flash that they don't have solid plans for yet and are easier to move.

I honestly think everything's gonna be fine. Wait's been excruciating, can't lie.

I'm out. :trazz:

[Powder]

>Tries to claim this movie is a reboot
>Is proven wrong several times
>Then tries to say only the "BATMAN SIDE!" is a reboot

Unless they explore Batman's origins AGAIN then you would be correct. If anything the solo Affleck Batman movie will be a reboot.

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[Leo656]

In re-watching the new trailer a bunch, I really love the acting Cavill does with his face, and the way his Clark interacts with Lois. There's a closeness and a warmth between them that's been absent in other versions.

You hear more of it in the other trailers, but I like the authority in his voice as well. It adds a lot to his portrayal. When I was a kid, in addition to the comics, I read a few Superman novels, and they always described him as having a deep, strong baritone voice, and Cavill sounds a lot like how I used to hear Superman in my head when I used to read those comics and novels. It's also reminiscent of a few record albums and books-on-tape I had as a kid. Like the way he puts all the bass in his voice when he's yelling at Batman. And the way he yells at him to "Stay DOWN!", and is all annoyed visually, that is SUCH a George Reeves take, like from the cadence in his voice to the facial expression and everything. The way his Superman would get all frustrated and shout at people. :lol: He had authority, I always dug that.

Seeing all this stuff really has me feeling nostalgic. When I was like, 5, a typical weekend would be like this: I'd watch cartoons, and I'm pretty sure Super-Friends was still on at that point (It would have been Super-Powers: Galactic Guardians by then, which was sentimentally always my favorite version of that show), so I'd watch cartoons and run around in my Superman costume and everything. And then a lot of times one of the Reeve movies would be on Channel 11 or something. And then either later that day, or sometimes early on Sunday, stations would run blocks of the old Fleischer Superman cartoons from the 40s, and afterwards, blocks of episodes of the George Reeves show. And in between I'd listen to my records and read comic books, acting them out. That was a regular weekend cycle for years as a little kid. :tgrin:

Weekdays, though, they'd have hour-long blocks of the Adam West Batman show, and occasionally he'd show up on reruns of Scooby-Doo. :trazz: So I also had a Batman outfit, although less-snazzy than my Superman one, I think subconsciously on purpose. :trazz: I initially had some resistance to the Keaton version, but completely changed my mind once I saw the first trailer, and soon begrudgingly traded my blue and grey sweatshirt for a black one - although I still rocked the blue outfit on weekday afternoons at 5 and 5:30pm while watching channel 11, that was still mandatory. :trazz: It was impossible to find suitable Batman masks back then.

This is exactly the movie I used to wish for when I was 5-6-7-whatever, watching all the old movies and TV shows and cartoons and wanting just One More Awesome Thing to fill in the hours in between all those other things. It seemed impossible we'd ever see all of this, with this level of detail. Rather spoiled, we are. I mean good god, that IS Batman, man. Batfleck or Stuntfleck, I don't care, the guy moves like a beast, the way he takes those guys out. And that guy's knife sparking off the base of Batman's neck when he swipes at him? Kevlar-reinforced armor around the neck, like in the comics? Nice touch. It's the little things. Like when Batman blocks Superman's punch, his hair falls into the iconic spit-curl, finally. :lol: I love how even the tiniest details in this thing are so elaborately and decadently on-purpose . :lol:

But yeah, this stuff takes me back. Wish I could read a bunch of my old comics but they're in storage. :tgrumble:

[Commenter 42]

Again, I'm a comics fan first, and this stuff... this is the most exciting stuff to happen in comic book movies for me, ever. All my life it was, "Movies can't be like the comics, it costs too much." And I made peace with that. Then comes a guy like Snyder, and you may not dig his personal style towards colors and angles, but when he says, "NOTHING is too big, we want to embrace everything that makes DC Comic Books great, distill it, and turn it into movies"... That right there is a guy telling me exactly what I want to hear. Maybe some people who weren't weaned on comic books don't like it. He says "Time to go big or go home", I say "F*ck yeah, about time."

You see, here, right here, we agree. THIS^^

Of course it should be big, but that's where I feel Snyder keeps failing.
Not big enough, not "grand", not rich, not extensive.

Watchmen had more gravitas in many ways; with Sucker Punch, it felt like he took one step backward ( there's a lot in that movie I love, but a lot that feels just awkward...But the overall, the ideas and themes, were kind of amazing conceptually. Part of me wonders just how much of it was really him, and how much was a brilliant team around him....) towards his 300 days, which, while a cool visual style in the early 2000's, is pretty damned dated looking today.

If We're being completely honest, no, actors don't deserve 1/3rd of a budget. not at all, never, nope, not a chance. That money should be spent on creating the world. That's the big problem. The other problem is the media budget. It's stupid.

if you're total budget for a film is 150 million, that's a TON of money. That's stupid money. If 90% of the movie is VFX driven, then 90% of the money should be spent on getting those VFX to mind **** you..

I don't need Affleck to play Batman, because that means a huge chunk of money is going to a "star". Not in a CBM. If this were a straight drama, Then fine, but the star of the movie should be the impossible world of DC, in all it's glory.

Star Wars does that. Avatar does that. The Matrix does that. Fifth element does that. the Wizard of Oz does that. Dune, 2001, Lawrence of Arabia, Legend, The Never Ending Story; they all have that one thing in common; a satisfying visual language that over delivers on the auteurs bargain with the viewer.

These days, most don't, and the ones that do, have been doing it for long enough that they still remember how to impress (George Miller).

Epic is what I demand. I've never accepted that a CBM should be anything less.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I freely admit two things: I'm quite well versed in Batman though hardly the top expert in here, and I'm not at all well versed in Superman.

But I had no problems with Superman killing Zod--it's his first day as Superman, he's fighting an extremely outmatched fight against General Zod, and Zod will NEVER stop killing humans to hurt Kal-El. Not much else an inexperienced Supes can know to do in that split second.

My main two problems were and still are:

#1. Pa Kent. That guy was an idiot with the "Was I supposed to let those kids die?" "Maybe!" Um, no. No decent human being would have ever said that. Ever. Completely terrible and out of character. And dying for a dog. That was idiotic... just make it a child in its carseat instead--THAT'S a worthy sacrifice.

#2. The destruction porn at the end of the movie... with the World Engine dubstepping and so much smash-crash-bash. It's not destruction I have a problem with, but the camera angles and transitions and crap were so quick and erratic that I could not follow the action except "two Kryptonians really wreck sh!t." Maybe when I rewatch before BvS I'll feel differently as I'll have a better expectation for what's coming, but when I watched it, it really took me out of the experience. But NOTHING will change Pa Kent. That's ENTIRELY on the script.

[sdp]

I need to re-watch MOS but I remember liking it. I don't think Pa Kent's death was bad like most people say, to me it made sense that he preferred to protect his son than having his life saved. And I would definitely go back for my dog as well. My problem is that for Superman it's not necessary for him to have a dead parent, his whole planet is already destroyed. I like Clark being able to visit old pa and ma Kent, I was also mad when they did it in Smallville and when they try to do it in the comics. We have enough superheroes without parents.

As to Superman killing Zod I have no problem either because of the way that it was done. You could tell Superman didn't want to kill Zod, he was so conflicted but it came to a simple killing him or letting Zod kill a mother and her child. I was really bothered by Batman not saving Ras in BBegins since the whole "I don't have to save you" was no excuse but here Superman had a reason. I do think the battle went overboard in the first film and reached DBZ levels of destruction. I understand they were trying to prove a point after the snoozefest that was Superman Returns but they overdid it.

I feel people just like to poopoo Superman in general and nitpicked MOS from the ground up. But now we can have a movie about how Batman is so much better than Superman and everyone will be happy as long as the DCU is all about Batman...great.

[Commenter 42]

But I had no problems with Superman killing Zod--it's his first day as Superman, he's fighting an extremely outmatched fight against General Zod, and Zod will NEVER stop killing humans to hurt Kal-El. Not much else an inexperienced Supes can know to do in that split second.

Shouldn't have been written like that to begin with. Nobody put a gun to the head of the writer forcing them to concoct such an absurd situation. They wanted to make him kill, and make it a thing. It's the darker grittier BS.

You're a writer - tell me, doesn't this reek of an agenda? "I want to see Superman kill Zod, now how do we do that?"

"Everyone thinks he's a boyscout...focus groups suggest...he's too clean, too much of a marty sue...." all that BS. Grant Morrison seems to do just fine writing the character, without resorting to crutches of that lineage.

Also, absolutely no reason to set the world up this way at all. It wasn't imperative to make it the his "first day" ...like **** off. That's interesting for a minute...but like Hitchcock said, a movie is "like real life, but with all the boring bits cut out".

I paid 15% to be impressed and wowed, not watch a GD tryhard.


I feel people just like to poopoo Superman in general... But now we can have a movie about how Batman is so much better than Superman and everyone will be happy as long as the DCU is all about Batman...great.

yep.

[Candy Kappa]

He killed off Zod in Superman 2, with a smile and a wink. I'd say that's more grimdark and messed up then MoS.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Shouldn't have been written like that to begin with. Nobody put a gun to the head of the writer forcing them to concoct such an absurd situation. They wanted to make him kill, and make it a thing. It's the darker grittier BS.

You're a writer - tell me, doesn't this reek of an agenda? "I want to see Superman kill Zod, now how do we do that?"

"Everyone thinks he's a boyscout...focus groups suggest...he's too clean, too much of a marty sue...." all that BS. Grant Morrison seems to do just fine writing the character, without resorting to crutches of that lineage.

Also, absolutely no reason to set the world up this way at all. It wasn't imperative to make it the his "first day" ...like **** off. That's interesting for a minute...but like Hitchcock said, a movie is "like real life, but with all the boring bits cut out".

I paid 15% to be impressed and wowed, not watch a GD tryhard.

No better way to show how important the "no-kill" rule is to a character than to show the one time they messed up.

[Commenter 42]

Oh you guys.. lol

No better way to show how important the "no-kill" rule is to a character than to show the one time they messed up.
Really? Weak sauce mate. I'd think on that a little.

Anyways...
I don't care if he killed Zod or not! It's not that he killed Zod, it's that they wanted to force the issue. Again, it could have been a hundred other storylines...creating that situation was the same as the John Kent thing...

MOS as a whole, sucked. I hated it, tried watching it again, still hated it. BVS looks to be more of the same.

I do enjoy the comics, though, I haven't read nearly the amount Leo has. I think we can both agree the new 52 leaves us both cold...maybe not.. I'll speak for myself.

MOS..and BVS... looks like angsty celluloid garbage. **** effects. **** acting. **** cast. **** writing. **** dialogue. **** agenda. ****** all over.

Stupid codex is stupid.

[Slade]

.....read all that and I'm actually watching the movie right now...:lol:

[Leo656]

Well C42, you also think CGI effects are better than practical, and that the Nolan Batman movies sucked, so, clearly, you're the King, Pope, and Sheriff of Unpopular Opinion Island. :trazz: You guys got any souvenir T-shirts?

[Commenter 42]

Well C42, you also think CGI effects are better than practical, and that the Nolan Batman movies sucked, so, clearly, you're the King, Pope, and Sheriff of Unpopular Opinion Island. :trazz: You guys got any souvenir T-shirts?

I am a man of good taste, what can I say :D

Also, unpopular island has no pope. I held a referendum with myself and chose to rule in favor of a secular society.

There are rumors that a war is brewing between the Sheriff and the King though...

...but you didn't hear that from me.

[ranger_scout]

Zack Snyder has announced the world premiere will take place in Mexico City on March 19.

http://comicbook.com/2016/02/15/zack-snyder-announces-batman-v-superman-red-carpet-premiere-in-m/

[Leo656]

Neat. The guy at the ticket counter yesterday said attending the movie in-costume on the 25th is perfectly acceptable. Yaaay. :trazz:

After getting home from Deadpool we watched MoS and then every teaser/trailer for BvS in release order. Couldn't be more hyped. :tgrin:

I've gotten it down to the tornado being the only thing I don't like. Even then, I forgot that Clark has never demonstrated any speed powers in-story up to that point so like flying he probably hasn't figured that out yet, so at least some of his inaction makes a little more sense in-context. Still, that whole scene should have been different. Whenever I watch that one part, I feel heavy studio pressure to both have another Big Action Scene and kill Jon Kent so Clark has a tragic past. It's a way to go, but I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have killed his Dad, period. I grew up with his Mom and Dad both being alive.

Furthermore, holy sh*t was the military incompetent in that movie. In Smallville, every time it was just Superman vs. the Kryptonians, even when he was getting his ass kicked he had things well under control. Every single time the military tried to intervene, THEY caused infinitely more damage than anyone. Same thing in Metroplis, really. The last fight with Zod is excessive by design, but all the earlier stuff with the World Engine... having fighter jets firing rockets and missiles at it was really poor strategy. :lol: Maybe the government is trying to blame it all on Superman in BvS, because they don't want to own up to their own incompetence? :trazz: The whole time I'm like, "Just get OUT of his WAY and let him handle this sh*t, you idiots!"

This guy had a really rough first day on the job and I'm sure once he and Batman get a chance to actually sit and talk about it they'll be on the same page. :tgrin:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Neat. The guy at the ticket counter yesterday said attending the movie in-costume on the 25th is perfectly acceptable. Yaaay. :trazz:

After getting home from Deadpool we watched MoS and then every teaser/trailer for BvS in release order. Couldn't be more hyped. :tgrin:

I've gotten it down to the tornado being the only thing I don't like. Even then, I forgot that Clark has never demonstrated any speed powers in-story up to that point so like flying he probably hasn't figured that out yet, so at least some of his inaction makes a little more sense in-context. Still, that whole scene should have been different. Whenever I watch that one part, I feel heavy studio pressure to both have another Big Action Scene and kill Jon Kent so Clark has a tragic past. It's a way to go, but I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have killed his Dad, period. I grew up with his Mom and Dad both being alive.

Furthermore, holy sh*t was the military incompetent in that movie. In Smallville, every time it was just Superman vs. the Kryptonians, even when he was getting his ass kicked he had things well under control. Every single time the military tried to intervene, THEY caused infinitely more damage than anyone. Same thing in Metroplis, really. The last fight with Zod is excessive by design, but all the earlier stuff with the World Engine... having fighter jets firing rockets and missiles at it was really poor strategy. :lol: Maybe the government is trying to blame it all on Superman in BvS, because they don't want to own up to their own incompetence? :trazz: The whole time I'm like, "Just get OUT of his WAY and let him handle this sh*t, you idiots!"

This guy had a really rough first day on the job and I'm sure once he and Batman get a chance to actually sit and talk about it they'll be on the same page. :tgrin:

Wondy will force the two meatheads to sit down and talk it out. Calmer heads shall prevail!

[Leo656]

I can't wait to see Wonder Woman, honestly. That went from "okay, neat, bonus" to one of the things I'm really excited for. She apparently ties the entire movie together through her actions in both her personas. I mean I'm excited for everything but I've wanted to see Wonder Woman in a movie for a while.

Also...
I find it every interesting that by the end of BvS, at least half the JLA has a personal vendetta against Lex. Aside from Superman, Lex will have made mortal enemies of Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman by the end credits. I like that. I think it's important that with the impact Luthor has on the entire world in this universe that he not be "just" Clark's villain. It also makes him and Clark even more polar opposites: Lex is the one who causes the heroes to rally together, and Superman is the one they rally behind.

I'm also intrigued by Aquaman. Because I generally don't like him at all. Yet I'm excited and intrigued by this one. I like that there's a lot of mystery around him so far. I've been saying for years, "You can't do Aquaman, why would you, even?" So if they can pull it off - and I think they have - then good for them.

[TurtleTitan97]

Yeah, Wonder Woman has me the most excited as well when it comes to this film.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I can't wait to see Wonder Woman, honestly. That went from "okay, neat, bonus" to one of the things I'm really excited for. She apparently ties the entire movie together through her actions in both her personas. I mean I'm excited for everything but I've wanted to see Wonder Woman in a movie for a while.

Also...
I find it every interesting that by the end of BvS, at least half the JLA has a personal vendetta against Lex. Aside from Superman, Lex will have made mortal enemies of Batman, Wonder Woman, and Aquaman by the end credits. I like that. I think it's important that with the impact Luthor has on the entire world in this universe that he not be "just" Clark's villain. It also makes him and Clark even more polar opposites: Lex is the one who causes the heroes to rally together, and Superman is the one they rally behind.

I'm also intrigued by Aquaman. Because I generally don't like him at all. Yet I'm excited and intrigued by this one. I like that there's a lot of mystery around him so far. I've been saying for years, "You can't do Aquaman, why would you, even?" So if they can pull it off - and I think they have - then good for them.

Aquaman can and should be great. Same for Wonder Woman. It's about damn time somebody other than Bruce and Clark got some big-screen love.

[Leo656]

Allegedly most of her scenes are as Diana, not Wonder Woman, so that's something to take into consideration. Supposedly most of the costume scenes are towards the end.

[TigerClaw]

Allegedly most of her scenes are as Diana, not Wonder Woman, so that's something to take into consideration. Supposedly most of the costume scenes are towards the end.
I wonder how they will fit Aquaman, Cyborg and the Flash in this movie, mostly as cameos, we will see Barry Alen before he becomes the Flash, we would see Victor "Vic" Stone before he becomes Cyborg, and maybe Aquaman at the very end of the movie, maybe post credit scene?

[Leo656]

I'm pretty much thinking along those lines. The stuff I have kind of implies that.

EDIT: That was a reply to your Wonder Woman comment, which you changed.

[TigerClaw]

Its no doubt that the other Justice League members will make a cameo in some capacity, since most of them are getting there own movies anyways.

[Leo656]

Kind of.

- Aquaman's part is smaller than Wonder Woman's but much larger than Cyborg's or Flash. He has scenes in the middle and again at the end. But it's bigger than a cameo or post-credits. He's very important to the story.

- Victor Stone has a very small part as his Dad works for LexCorp/Cadmus developing their C.Y.B.O.R.G. Program. We see him get injured during the third act but whether or not we actually see him as "Cyborg" is unclear from what I have. He may just be "Luke in the bacta tank" by the end of it.

- We may literally only see Flash as a blur, not even mentioned by name. Literally one of the last things in the movie, simply confirming that he exists. His role is definitely super-small. He has no effect on the plot.

- Unless they literally shifted gears at the 11th hour, Green Lantern isn't in this one at all, since they had no solid plans for the GL franchise at all until about three months ago.


None of that's very spoiler-y, really. Just a courtesy for those who may not wish to know ANYTHING before the 25th.

In either case, if people really hope to see a ton of stuff with all these characters that best not be the main reason they buy a ticket.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

The only thing that can really ruin the movie for me is how Wonder Woman and Doomsday turn out, and their lack of screen time.

[Leo656]

On that I can't speak. I do know that it's heavily implied that the "Doomsday" we saw in the trailer is not the whole story.
Supposedly Wonder Woman and Doomsday briefly go one-on-one at some point, and she is able to cause him some damage. As the fight goes on he evolves and adapts until he resembles the more familiar-looking character.

I don't have any idea how long the fight scene lasts, though, or the intimate specifics of it.

I think it's cool that Wonder Woman is basically going to be what helps turn the tide in Superman and Batman's favor. I'm all for making her super-important.

[Sumac]

Another barrel of gas to the fire:
Report: Warner Bros. is worried about ‘Batman v Superman’, but not because of its quality (http://batman-news.com/2016/02/15/warner-bros-batman-superman-worried/)
According to BOF, Warner Bros. is indeed concerned about Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, but not because of the quality of the movie. They’re more concerned about how the audience will respond to it, and how it will perform at the box office. BOF speculates that the mainstream audience is used to the “popcorn” movies that Marvel produces, and won’t respond well to Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice’s deep story, which was written by Oscar winner Chris Terrio.
It is extremely cute, if true.
Deep story...in Snyder movie...sounds about right. :D

[Commenter 42]

The spin masters, hard at work. It's not terrible, you just don't "get it". Lol, Fvck off. Same BS with Inception and Interstellar.
In Snyder I trust, to screw it up.

I'm sure it will have a huge opening weekend...Just like AOU...

"Do you bleed?" Meh, do I care?

[chrisdude]

That's a hoot.