Star Wars: Episode IX

[Andrew NDB]

Keri Russell is being eyed for a part:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/keri-russell-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-ix/

[Spike Spiegel]

Keri Russell is being eyed for a part:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/keri-russell-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-ix/

Is it too much to hope for Mara Jade or Ahsoka?

[Andrew NDB]

Is it too much to hope for Mara Jade or Ahsoka?

Probably zero chance of it literally being Mara Jade... but it could be a Mara Jade-like character. Keri Russell could easily pass for Daisy Ridley's mother.

There was this, a month ago:
http://www.moviecastingcall.org/star-wars-mara-jade-auditions/

[ranger_scout]

Keri Russell is being eyed for a part:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/keri-russell-in-talks-for-star-wars-episode-ix/

She has a great history with J.J. Abrams. They worked together on both Felicity and Mission Impossible III.

[plastroncafe]

Her work in the Americans is amazing.

[Andrew NDB]

The pre-blowback is beginning:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rey-mother-keri-russell/

[Spike Spiegel]

The pre-blowback is beginning:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-rey-mother-keri-russell/

There's always something new to complain about on the Internet :trolleye:

I wonder who's worse--the hardcore SW fans or the "journalists" who bait them.

[plastroncafe]

Oh definitely the so-called hardcore fans. No question.
Because they should seriously know better.
It's not like they don't use the exact same tactics themselves.

[Sumac]

Would be fans doing all this and receive such publicity without journalists chasing opportunity to have "hot sensations"?

[NinjaPug]

There's always something new to complain about on the Internet :trolleye:

I wonder who's worse--the hardcore SW fans or the "journalists" who bait them.

They both suck. Obviously the ****** fans who think they have some sort of ownership over Star Wars are the worst because there's no reason for a rational person to act like that. It doesn't help things when you have these sites who are monetizing the fan outrage with clickbait articles to fan the flames.

[TigerClaw]

Billy Dee Williams Reprising Role as Lando Calrissian in Star Wars Episode 9.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-billy-dee-williams-returning-as-lando-calrissian-xi-1125818

[Vegita-San]

god dang it. Lando was safe...

Off married to Tendra on the lady luck running bizarre space operations.


watch him be a washed up failure and killed off for drama...

sigh.

[CyberCubed]

Great to see Lando back, I just assumed they would ignore him. I wonder how he'll react knowing Han is gone, or Luke for that matter. Hell even Leia since we know she won't be there.

[Krutch]

god dang it. Lando was safe...

Off married to Tendra on the lady luck running bizarre space operations.


watch him be a washed up failure and killed off for drama...

sigh.

I'd put money on him being succesful and surviving the movie. Disneys desperate to win back the trust of the fanbase, and I'd go as far to say they went out of their way to include him just to show that they can handle legacy characters with respect.

Of course, I'm likely wrong, so who really knows.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The REAL question is, was Lando brought back because they had a good role for him?

Or because they killed off Skywalker and Solo, and Carrie Fisher died, leaving everybody in the lurch?

Surely, the former. Surely. It could never be the former.

[CyberCubed]

Han died because Harrisord Ford wanted out.

Luke died for story reasons and he'll be a Jedi Ghost so he'll be in the movie.

Leia was obviously out of their control, for all we know she may not be literally killed off in universe.

Lando has no reason to die.

[sdp]

I'm happy Lando will be back, I mentioned it a long time ago that he should be back. I just hope he has a good role. Han Solo got turned into a chump, Luke got turned into a chump and yet they still shined in the films and were the good parts of Ep7/8. Leia was the only one that sucked in both her appearances, I'm glad Ep9 won't be "her" movie anymore even if it sucks that she died and won't get a satisfying send off (then again did Han/Luke?). At least Lando has less expectations so they can play around with his character more.

I found this video about Ep. IX and the state of Disney Star Wars, it's mostly good, the guy kinda babbles for too long on some points and diverges so just skip a few parts or watch at 1.5 speed :lol: but I did agree with most of his early points and his comparison of Ep. IX being micromanaged like Justice League might be true.
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[Krutch]

Midnight's Edge rocks :tcool:

[ranger_scout]

Fans have been wanting to know what ever happened to Lando after the original trilogy ended. I'm glad that we will finally have an answer to that question.

[Leo656]

If all he does is shuffle around guzzling Colt .45 in between trying to put the moves on Rey, I swear I'll forgive everything.

[Spike Spiegel]

It makes you wonder if having Lando in "Solo" was a stealth method of generating buzz around the character before bringing him back in his original capacity in the primary series.

[Vegita-San]

It makes you wonder if having Lando in "Solo" was a stealth method of generating buzz around the character before bringing him back in his original capacity in the primary series.

Interesting point.

although they'd have to be pretty stupid not to realize that lando is just as popular as han solo. so much for progressiveness.

[Spike Spiegel]

Interesting point.

although they'd have to be pretty stupid not to realize that lando is just as popular as han solo. so much for progressiveness.

I don't think progressiveness has anything to do with it, honestly. It didn't stop general audiences from liking TFA. TLJ killed the golden goose by reneging on the implied promise of Jedi Master Luke Skywalker that had been there from the first teaser for VII.

With Luke, Han, Ackbar, and potentially Leia gone, Lando is probably the last legacy character they have that people would recognize as someone who could play a pivotal role in leading the Rebels/Resistance.

[Vegita-San]

but the problem is, they screwed up everyone else...

what's lando's regresivness going to be? Organizing a hooker bot cabal to the rich and powerful?

[TigerClaw]

I hope his role isn't a glorified cameo. For example. Rey, Finn and whoever needs to get to some place. Then Chewbacca says something. and 3CPio says. "He said that he knows someone. An old friend." and that's when we see Lando.

Keep in mind that Billy Dee Williams is 81 years old

[CyberCubed]

Keep in mind that Billy Dee Williams is 81 years old

Wow, didn't realize he was that old, thought he was around Harrison Ford's age. I guess he won't get more than a few scenes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'll bet a tenner right now, Lando Calrissian doesn't survive the movie.

[CyberCubed]

I'll bet a tenner right now, Lando Calrissian doesn't survive the movie.

He probably will because he's now the only one that can.

[Andrew NDB]

People acting like them killing off Leia is some kind of certainty are delusional.

[ZariusTwo]

I'll bet a tenner right now, Lando Calrissian doesn't survive the movie.

I'll bet a twenty he'll destroy a second Starkiller base:lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He probably will because he's now the only one that can.

If you're Billy Dee Williams, do you want to do one last Star Wars movie and sit around on your ass? Or do you want your big damn heroes moment and go out like a rockstar? Especially seeing how Mark Hamill got shafted with what happened to Luke?

Were I Billy, I'd be insisting on a big damn heroes moment.

[TigerClaw]

It would be nice to see Lando step back into the Millennium Falcon. The ship he once owned. So it would be a nice reunion for his character to reunite with his former ship.

[Andrew NDB]

It would be nice to see Lando step back into the Millennium Falcon. The ship he once owned. So it would be a nice reunion for his character to reunite with his former ship.

I wish they would blow up that damn ship already. It was sort of neat to see it back for good old nostalgia's sake in 7, but that moment passed.

[Leo656]

IT'S ALL WE HAVE LEFT, YOU HEATHEN!

.....ehhhh, on second thought, screw it. Just blow it up before they explicitly state that R2 and the Falcon have been f*cking this whole time.

[CyberCubed]

Isn't Lando's robot love interest from Solo plugged into the Falcon as it's computer? Do you think they'll call back to that? Now we know why Lando calls the ship, "she" and "girl."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Isn't Lando's robot love interest from Solo plugged into the Falcon as it's computer? Do you think they'll call back to that? Now we know why Lando calls the ship, "she" and "girl."

All men do that. Except maybe gay men, I dunno. And hell, some women do it, too.

But it's a naval thing. And naval things have always transferred to aeronautical things.

[Sumac]

Fans have been wanting to know what ever happened to Lando after the original trilogy ended. I'm glad that we will finally have an answer to that question.
Don't worry: he will be a loser, like all other characters from old trilogy and die inglorious death. Because, it certainly will be original and will make a progressive statement. :P

[Leo656]

"Let the past die... KILL it, if you have to...

...because for God's sake, these new characters' action figures are f*cking peg-warmers!" :trazz:

[oldmanwinters]

"Let the past die... KILL it, if you have to...

...because for God's sake, these new characters' action figures are f*cking peg-warmers!" :trazz:

Haha, I walked through a Target toy aisle today and everyone of the giant-size female characters was on clearance. (Actually was kinda tempted to buy a Forces of Destiny Leia)

[Leo656]

Yeah, at mine they just sit there.

Brief, semi-related aside: One aisle up from the girls/MLP aisle is the one where "regular" Star Wars sits with the WWE toys, and I gotta tell ya, the "girl-centric" WWE toys are the biggest dust collectors I've ever seen. I don't mean the regular WWE action figures based on women, like Charlotte or Asuka or whomever; those seem to sell just fine, and in fact, some are more in demand among collectors of wrestling toys because of how few of the women ever get really good figures made. It's always been that way; I remember the earliest Trish Stratus figures, for example, were hot ticket items back in the day.

But those new "Just For Girls"-style WWE toys, with all the glitter and pink packaging? BARF. Nobody wants them, nobody buys them, and they look like crap. Same size as the "regular" female WWE action figures, but the box is pink and the figures have Bratz-looking faces with giant eyes... y'know... so you know it's a girls' toy! :roll: I saw a regular Asuka next to one of those "for girls" ones, and the latter was comically bad. Who the f*ck would ever want these? I'm obviously not a girl, but the girls I know who do collect wrestling figures think that's the most pandering crap they've seen in a while, and agree that the actual sculpting is ugly as sin. And forget about those Barbie knockoffs with the brushable hair. I go to Target several times a week and those things don't move an inch.

Point being, I have a strong feeling that if you want to take a traditionally "Boys' Thing", and make it appeal more to girls, "Do A More Girly Version Of It" isn't going to work. I think we've seen and proven that, with WWE and Star Wars being the easy examples.

[Xav]

People acting like them killing off Leia is some kind of certainty are delusional.What else are they gonna do CGI her the whole movie?

[Andrew NDB]

What else are they gonna do CGI her the whole movie?

That's the one and only thing they've said they won't do.

See: recasting.

[Leo656]

I don't know. Historically, people seem far more accepting of that in prequels; "It was a long time ago, so if you squint, you could almost accept that Harrison Ford and Whatsisname are the same person, kinda sorta maybe." We literally just saw Princess Leia's character five minutes ago in movie time; having her show up suddenly as, I'unno, Meryl Streep, would be super-jarring, and a much tougher sell.

In fact, I think that would be so distracting that it would completely hijack the entire movie; no matter what actually happened within the movie itself, all anyone would want to talk about is Leia's recasting and whether it "worked" or didn't, and it would dominate the entire conversation at the expense of all else. I mean, we've seen it before, fairly recently. I haven't gotten around to seeing Rogue One yet, and thus, don't know a ton about it outside of the basics. I definitely know that there's a CGI Peter Cushing and CGI Young Carrie Fisher, and that it's either the Coolest or Creepiest thing ever, but I assume that must be the most important thing in the movie on account of that's what 90% of the reviews and articles chose to focus on.

If they do go back on their word and resurrect Leia with CGI - people in Hollywood flat-out lie all the time; if anything, someone saying "We Absolutely Will Not Do _________" probably means they're halfway done doing exactly that - it would also be really distracting and dominate the conversation, but it would be slightly less impactful than a full recast, on account of at least there'd be some bit of visual continuity maintained.

The simplest explanation is usually correct. My vote is, "Off-screen in-between-movies death, accompanied by an eye-rolling text crawl explanation, followed by characters stopping every 5 minutes to monologue about how awesome and brave Leia was, making the whole thing morbid and awkward as hell."

That's what we're getting, like it or not. It's literally the only decision they could make that isn't guaranteed to overpower the entire affair. It's still an ass solution, but this is what they get for having such pitiful foresight. They could have, and should have, created more of a focus around Luke - seeing as how he was the impetus for this entire "Star Wars" thing, and thus, kind of supposed to be an important guy in the big scheme of things - and built along the way to a more organic passing-of-the-torch to Rey, having it all culminate in the third film, and then everything would be fine. They know better, though.

[Andrew NDB]

I have to stick by my guns. "We" want them to kill off Leia between movies because without Fisher, Leia is dead to "us"... while nobody seems to ever be bothering to ask the question: "What would Carrie Fisher want?"

I guarantee you it isn't, "Oh, I died? Well kill my character off immediately!"

I'd imagine she'd want Leia to continue triumphantly as long as possible, not to be thrown into the casket with her. That's awful.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I have to stick by my guns. "We" want them to kill off Leia between movies because without Fisher, Leia is dead to "us"... while nobody seems to ever be bothering to ask the question: "What would Carrie Fisher want?"

I guarantee you it isn't, "Oh, I died? Well kill my character off immediately!"

I'd imagine she'd want Leia to continue triumphantly as long as possible, not to be thrown into the casket with her. That's awful.

The only way Fisher would be okay with it is if Lando tells Rey that he found General Leia dead in the moonlight, strangled with her own bra.

[Leo656]

nobody seems to ever be bothering to ask the question: "What would Carrie Fisher want?"

More cocaine, indubitably.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

More cocaine, indubitably.

Dammit, and I thought I would be winning the punchline war today. :tgrumble:

[plastroncafe]

Nah, more prozac.
Given that she was interred in a capsule of the same name.

The only way Fisher would be okay with it is if Lando tells Rey that he found General Leia dead in the moonlight, strangled with her own bra.

<3

[sdp]

When Carrie died they said they wouldn't kill Leia, then the baseless rumors of CG Leia arose in mainstream geek "culture" blogs and they condemned it in their daily blog rounds to get clicks. To avoid any bad press Lucasfilm "proudly" announced that they wouldn't use a CG Leia. They might also be scared to recast because of Solo. So yeah, who knows what they're going to do.

The outrage over Leia being CG was so dumb and it would've been the best option. Carrie Fisher wouldn't have given a damn, not to mention she had already allowed her likeness to be used for Rogue One.

The second best option would've been to kill her in TLJ, they had already filmed her death and her force floating in space was ridiculous, it would've saved us that scene. The rest of the movie could've been altered easily and sure we would've missed Luke seeing Leia but we never got Luke and Han either and it could've been a deleted scene. Luke/Leia dying would've been more impact full.

As poorly as Han/Luke were handled at least they had cool moments and I enjoyed every scene they were in, Leia on the other hand was always boring and I don't want to see more General Leia.

The only way Fisher would be okay with it is if Lando tells Rey that he found General Leia dead in the moonlight, strangled with her own bra.

But, there is no underwear in space.

[newfan]

I don't know, I mean I see your point but to kill Leia off too, soon after Carrie died..I already found it sad watching and knowing she would not be in the next....and in the same movie as Luke dying.... I wonder if they will give much away on what they plan to do before the movie.

I also want to know what they had planned for the next movie before she died.

[Andrew NDB]

I also want to know what they had planned for the next movie before she died.

They had no specific plan for her in IX beyond "it'll be a big part, like Han in 7 or Luke in 8." And whatever was in the draft Trevorrow turned in that was rejected.

[Andrew NDB]

George Lucas is aboard IX. Maybe. Kind of.

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/disney-rumored-consulting-george-lucas-star-wars-episode-ix-script/

[Vegita-San]

equals = really desperate

[frank_one]

A good strategy. So if the movie turn out to be bad the fans will think it's all Lucas' fault and Disney will move on with the new trilogy not related to the Skywalker family. The perfect way to jump out of a car crash.

[Andrew NDB]

A good strategy. So if the movie turn out to be bad the fans will think it's all Lucas' fault

Probably.

and Disney will move on with the new trilogy not related to the Skywalker family.

There is no reason to think Episode X onward is going to abandon the Skywalker lineage. Isn't that the whole purpose of the numbered saga?

[Autbot_Benz]

Star Wars: Episode IX Cast Announced
Returning and new cast members will join together for the final installment of the Skywalker saga.

Star Wars: Episode IX will begin filming at London’s Pinewood Studios on August 1, 2018. J.J. Abrams returns to direct the final installment of the Skywalker saga. Abrams co-wrote the screenplay with Chris Terrio.

Returning cast members include Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, and Billie Lourd. Joining the cast of Episode IX are Naomi Ackie and Richard E. Grant, who will be joined by veteran Star Wars actors Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, and Billy Dee Williams, who will reprise his role as Lando Calrissian.

The role of Leia Organa will once again be played by Carrie Fisher, using previously unreleased footage shot for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. “We desperately loved Carrie Fisher,” says Abrams. “Finding a truly satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga without her eluded us. We were never going to recast, or use a CG character. With the support and blessing from her daughter, Billie, we have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role as Leia in Episode IX by using unseen footage we shot together in Episode VII.”

Composer John Williams, who has scored every chapter in the Star Wars saga since 1977’s A New Hope, will return to a galaxy far, far away with Episode IX.

Star Wars: Episode IX will be produced by Kathleen Kennedy, J.J. Abrams, and Michelle Rejwan, and executive produced by Callum Greene and Jason McGatlin. The crew includes Dan Mindel (Director of Photography), Rick Carter and Kevin Jenkins (Co-Production Designers), Michael Kaplan (Costume Designer), Neal Scanlan (Creature and Droid FX), Maryann Brandon and Stefan Grube (Editors), Roger Guyett (VFX Supervisor), Tommy Gormley (1st AD), and Victoria Mahoney (2nd Unit Director).

Release is scheduled for December 2019.
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-episode-ix-cast-announced

[Raph's Girl]

The role of Leia Organa will once again be played by Carrie Fisher, using previously unreleased footage shot for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. “We desperately loved Carrie Fisher,” says Abrams. “Finding a truly satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga without her eluded us. We were never going to recast, or use a CG character. With the support and blessing from her daughter, Billie, we have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role as Leia in Episode IX by using unseen footage we shot together in Episode VII.”

At least Leia won't be CGI'd...

[Vegita-San]

i'm surprised mark hamil is going to be in it.

i thought he was done? or is another paycheck needed?

[Andrew NDB]

The role of Leia Organa will once again be played by Carrie Fisher, using previously unreleased footage shot for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. “We desperately loved Carrie Fisher,” says Abrams. “Finding a truly satisfying conclusion to the Skywalker saga without her eluded us. We were never going to recast, or use a CG character. With the support and blessing from her daughter, Billie, we have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role as Leia in Episode IX by using unseen footage we shot together in Episode VII.”

Huh. I doubt this will amount to much, then. Interesting, though. This still doesn't mean they will kill her off, though.

i'm surprised mark hamil is going to be in it.

i thought he was done? or is another paycheck needed?

He's never said he was done.

[newfan]

I'm not surprised Hamill will appear, it will just be a smaller part as a force ghost, unless they want to do a small flashback for something too. With the little they will have of Carrie also and it being the last in their trilogy.

[MikeandRaph87]

Mark said his heart was not in it after Carrie passed.


One thing that would help me get excited is if Luke is alive. I know, I know....
Snoke can be a nobody killed off and Rey can be from a nobody family,but Luke...

[Jester]

i'm surprised mark hamil is going to be in it.

i thought he was done? or is another paycheck needed?
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33063461_591844562502_495707241060499456_n.jpg?_nc _cat=0&oh=336c1d7b407bec704167a42744ba5651&oe=5BD811A0

[Andrew NDB]

Mark said his heart was not in it after Carrie passed.

Not having your heart in it doesn't mean you won't do a thing. It just means your heart won't be in it.

One thing that would help me get excited is if Luke is alive. I know, I know....

It's weird. I'm hoping for that, too... but only for him to get a proper death. Which probably would be super awkward to fandangle.

[newfan]

Not having your heart in it doesn't mean you won't do a thing. It just means your heart won't be in it.



It's weird. I'm hoping for that, too... but only for him to get a proper death. Which probably would be super awkward to fandangle.

Yeah agreed, can't blame him for losing heart and yeah a twist that he just went off into another realm rather than die would interest me but also cant see them making a U turn like that, plus Leia felt him die.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not having your heart in it doesn't mean you won't do a thing. It just means your heart won't be in it.



It's weird. I'm hoping for that, too... but only for him to get a proper death. Which probably would be super awkward to fandangle.

Oh, of course. Its a contract that keeps him tied to it. Mark has more emotions about this then anyone on the planet probably both very positive (fans and impact and negative (direction his character took and Carrie's death). That "heart not being it it" feeling is how we got force ghost in the first place when Alec Guiness decided he did not want to go down in pop culture this way, but still had two movies to appear in.

Agreed. I mean I expected Luke to die,but at the climax of Episode 9 not his body deteriorating because of a force projection half a galaxy away. Sure Luke was badass. Its just the force projection cheapened it and took away what he did there. Not to mention there is more story to tell. Not that "Luke found purpose" in dialog between Leia and Rey. It just seemed logical with Carrie passing that Luke is left to do more not just leave it as Johnson preferred.

[Vegita-San]

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/33063461_591844562502_495707241060499456_n.jpg?_nc _cat=0&oh=336c1d7b407bec704167a42744ba5651&oe=5BD811A0

interesting.

so, they let him trash the movies all he wants, to an extent, and he still gets to come back cause he has to?


unique deal.

[Andrew NDB]

Returning cast members include Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Oscar Isaac, Lupita Nyong’o, Domhnall Gleeson, Kelly Marie Tran, Joonas Suotamo, and Billie Lourd. Joining the cast of Episode IX are Naomi Ackie and Richard E. Grant, who will be joined by veteran Star Wars actors Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, and Billy Dee Williams, who will reprise his role as Lando Calrissian.

Should we talk about who is NOT on the list? There is two notable ones.

1) No Gwendoline Christie. Captain Phasma really just goes out and stays out like a chump, huh?

2) No Benicio Del Toro. In other words... no justification for his character ever having existed in Last Jedi.

It's also weird they don't mention Keri Russell.

[frank_one]

There is no reason to think Episode X onward is going to abandon the Skywalker lineage. Isn't that the whole purpose of the numbered saga?Will there ever be an Episode X? They've already announced the Rian Johnson's trilogy and the Skywalkers won't be in it.

[Vegita-San]

maybe asohka tano is master of the time realm now.

and at the end of episode 9, she erases all that happens, and what is left in it's place? the first shot of the Thrawn Trilogy.. disney essentially getting to reboot what it messed up.

[Andrew NDB]

Will there ever be an Episode X?

Probably.

They've already announced the Rian Johnson's trilogy and the Skywalkers won't be in it.

Correct. But no one is expecting the Johnson trilogy -- and whether or not the trilogy even happens is another story -- to have anything to do with the numbered saga.

[ranger_scout]

Remember when it was reported that Keri Russell was in talks for a role in this movie? Well, Entertainment Weekly says that a deal couldn't be reached.

Missing from the cast list was any mention of Keri Russell, a frequent Abrams collaborator from the TV series Felicity and Mission: Impossible 3. Sources told EW she was close to signing for a role, but sometimes more cast members are added later.

http://ew.com/movies/2018/07/27/carrie-fisher-and-billy-dee-williams-will-appear-in-cast-of-star-wars-episode-ix/

[MikeandRaph87]

Will there ever be an Episode X? They've already announced the Rian Johnson's trilogy and the Skywalkers won't be in it.

Star Wars needs to learn from DC. Don't just spout whatever idea of a movie sounds good at the time when you need to focus on immediate projects in production. Right now let's focus on pleasing the crowd about Episode 9 then whatever after that.

[ranger_scout]

Keri Russell is, in fact, going to be in this movie after all.

The reason her name wasn’t on the cast list: she hadn’t signed her deal by the time the studio wanted the news to go out today via StarWars.com. Deadline hears though that she has now officially inked for the unknown role, and that she will be in the finale of the Skywalker Saga movies that has a December 20, 2019 release date.

https://deadline.com/2018/07/keri-russell-star-wars-episode-ix-deal-made-cast-1202435383/

[Shark_Blade]

Star Wars 9 will see Leia return: "We have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role

https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/star-wars-9-will-see-leia-return-we-have-found-a-way-to-honor-carries-legacy-and-role/#click=https://t.co/GSjxZTVdHv

[Andrew NDB]

Star Wars 9 will see Leia return: "We have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role

https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/star-wars-9-will-see-leia-return-we-have-found-a-way-to-honor-carries-legacy-and-role/#click=https://t.co/GSjxZTVdHv

That was in the original article/cast announcement.

[sdp]

Bringing george lucas is definitely a way to pander to fans like bringing back Clone Wars. It does seem like Disney is trying to fix their mistakes, now that doesn't mean they'll get it right, I somehow doubt it but at least they know there's a big problem with their handling of the series. I don't think Lucas will have any real input though.

[frank_one]

Calling back Lucas is like calling a doctor and ask him to cure a man who is already dead. Han is gone, Luke is gone, Leia is gone... it's like trying to find a good end to a Batman trilogy when you've killed Batman in the second movie. They've been so crazy... :D
Oh, sure, we still have Lando...

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, sure, we still have Lando...

I wish I could get more excited about Lando. I was excited to see him in TFA and I was excited to see him in TLJ... but they missed their chance. They can never have another scene with him and Harrison Ford, and even the Chewbacca actor they have now is a FAKE Chewbacca actor. He can't even interact with Force Ghost Luke (non Force people can't see Force Ghosts)... and not even Leia!

[Xav]

There is no reason to think Episode X onward is going to abandon the Skywalker lineage. Isn't that the whole purpose of the numbered saga?What lineage? Luke is gone, Leia is good as gone and there's no way they can let Klyo Ren live after what he's done.

[Andrew NDB]

What lineage? Luke is gone, Leia is good as gone and there's no way they can let Klyo Ren live after what he's done.

#1) We have no idea if Luke has kids or not. We haven't been told specifically that he doesn't have any. I'm not even sure we can rule out Han and Leia having more than one kid (I don't remember any lines about Kylo being an only child, do you?). And JJ told Daisy Ridley during TFA that Luke was her dad. True, Rian Johnson went another direction, but now JJ is back for IX and it's fairly easy to imagine the "your parents were junk dealers" thing being retconned or explained away.

#2) It's pretty short-sighted to imagine Kylo has to die in IX. For all we know, Rey goes evil and Kylo realizes it's because of him... and snaps to. Nothing would be more perfunctory than heroic Rey marching through IX, fighting and killing the evil boss, Kylo at the end.

[ZariusTwo]

U58IdBjMeS4

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Hard to care about Star Wars now, the new films are SOOOO bad, they really, really are.

[Vegita-San]

Hard to care about Star Wars now, the new films are SOOOO bad, they really, really are.

agreed. it's pretty clear they have NO ONE with any creative talent there anymore...or at least this person isn't allowed to do anything creative.

it's all episode 4 call backs even when they want to 'kill the past'. they are playing it safe with re hash after re hash.

and then trashing the legacy characters to boot, as well as the fans?

screw star wars.

[neatoman]

Star Wars 9 will see Leia return: "We have found a way to honor Carrie’s legacy and role

https://www.gamesradar.com/amp/star-wars-9-will-see-leia-return-we-have-found-a-way-to-honor-carries-legacy-and-role/#click=https://t.co/GSjxZTVdHv

Using footage from another movie seems like it's going to come across as being out of place, because it's literally out of place.

Seriously, either write Leia out of the movie or recast her. I'd much rather watch a replacement actress for the rest of the bounce off, than watch deleted scenes edited for a completely context.

I mean how are they even going to make the dialouge work? Is it going to be like this?

Kylo Ren: Mother! We meet again, now after I have killed Snoke.
Leia: Ben.
Kylo Ren: Please, you can still join me. I need an advisor as the Supreme Leader, since I have inherited that role.
Leia: No.
Kylo Ren: You have to understand, I am the only one who can restore peace to the Galaxy. Do really think the resistance can overthrow me?
Leia: Yes.
Kylo Ren: It didn't work the last time, you were in the rebellion and a new Empire still arose. Don't you agree it's a better idea to rule the benevolently from within the first order?
Leia: No.
Kylo Ren: Then if you will not do it for the Galaxy, will you at least do it for your son? Don't you still love?
Leia: Yes.
Kylo Ren: Then won't you join me?
Leia: No.

There's no way I'm seeing this turn out well.

[Vegita-San]

pretty much how i see it. or else they'll have to use the most generic dialogue.

unless they re work the plot to fit the old shots. and that ALSO will not go well.

[plastroncafe]

The good news there is that all the people who are DONE with this franchise now have one less thing to worry/kvetch about, since they won't be seeing it anyways.

It's win/win!

[ZariusTwo]

uHr2LCF4Q0A

[Sumac]

The good news there is that all the people who are DONE with this franchise now have one less thing to worry/kvetch about, since they won't be seeing it anyways.

It's win/win!
Nah, like proggies crying and swearing off of franchises (but nevertheless continue to watch them), everyone else will cry about Star Wars.

[Andrew NDB]

Using footage from another movie seems like it's going to come across as being out of place, because it's literally out of place.

Seriously, either write Leia out of the movie or recast her. I'd much rather watch a replacement actress for the rest of the bounce off, than watch deleted scenes edited for a completely context.

I mean how are they even going to make the dialouge work? Is it going to be like this?

Kylo Ren: Mother! We meet again, now after I have killed Snoke.
Leia: Ben.
Kylo Ren: Please, you can still join me. I need an advisor as the Supreme Leader, since I have inherited that role.
Leia: No.
Kylo Ren: You have to understand, I am the only one who can restore peace to the Galaxy. Do really think the resistance can overthrow me?
Leia: Yes.
Kylo Ren: It didn't work the last time, you were in the rebellion and a new Empire still arose. Don't you agree it's a better idea to rule the benevolently from within the first order?
Leia: No.
Kylo Ren: Then if you will not do it for the Galaxy, will you at least do it for your son? Don't you still love?
Leia: Yes.
Kylo Ren: Then won't you join me?
Leia: No.

There's no way I'm seeing this turn out well.

Hahaha... yeah, exactly. They should have just recasted.

I think they'll find a way to repurpose the deleted scene of Leia addressing the New Republic from TFA. Then snippets of her looking deep in thought at various times.

[frank_one]

Do you think her character will survive? I think Leia will die and at the end of the movie we will see her in ghost form with Luke (and Yoda/Anakin/Obi-Wan?), something similar to the end of Ep 6.

[Andrew NDB]

Do you think her character will survive? I think Leia will die and at the end of the movie we will see her in ghost form with Luke (and Yoda/Anakin/Obi-Wan?), something similar to the end of Ep 6.

I can't even call it. It sounds like the right people are asking the right questions about stuff, but I don't know. The obvious inclination would be to have Leia go out in a blaze of glory somehow, get audiences roaring... but it goes back to what I've been saying. Would Carrie want that? Should the character be killed quick just because the actress died IRL? I mean, if I played Luke Skywalker for 30 years and I died tomorrow... do I want the character to die with me? Certainly not.

However... it is not a simple issue. Was the plan to kill Leia in IX all along? If so, then proceed as planned, by all means. But... was there even a plan at all? We're kind of led to believe there never was, so... gah. I can't call it. Now that we finally know exactly how they're proceeding (deleted/unused footage of Leia from TFA) I think we at least have some clues but even then, not a full picture of their intent.

I personally think the best the best way to go with everything we know is, incorporate Leia's big addressing of the New Republic scene from TFA (the biggest scene we know was cut from TFA) in some big rallying way, use whatever else they have on the chopping block to insert into the middle of the body of the film... and leave her alive by the end. Books and comics and recastings set between IX and X can tell the rest of that story, but the trilogy of trilogies can end with her presiding over whatever is left aft the end of IX. Because no one else is.

[sdp]

In 5 years we will have gotten a new trilogy and two theatrical spin-off films. During the previous movies it took 6 years just to get 2 star wars movies out. This was always the problem, trying to MCU the Star Wars universe when it's supposed to be something special and an event.

I do think the backlash against TLJ and Solo bombing yet their 'blame the viewers' strategy didn't work has made Disney re-thinking how they'll manage the franchise. That's good the problem is they might not realize what the problem is and think JJ and how things were in TFA is when they got things right which it isn't. All the praise TFA got was because it was new Star Wars but that's when things began to go wrong. I'm not confident Disney will get things right but at least they're aware the way things were going was not the way.

I don't think there's anyway to salvage the Sequel Trilogy at this point, it's taken too much damage already but at least they can lower the blow somehow. Any future movies should take their time and deal with an entirely different time period away from this mess. I'd love to have an episode X one day but that can wait a decade or two. And yes the numbered saga must be about the Skywalker legacy, no reason to have a numbered sequel is it has nothing to do with it, we can explore other characters and settings in other types of films.

[TigerClaw]

The problem is the fans. They don't know what they want. The Force Awakens was great. But some fans thought it was too much like A New Hope. and wanted something different. The Last Jedi was something different. and the fans hated it for being different. Star Wars fans cannot make up there minds.

[sdp]

The fans are the problem is the narrative the mainstream geek blogs and Disney want to put out. In any fandom you'll never please all fans, especially one as big/ old / hardcore as Star Wars but it's certainly possible to not piss off most types of fans at the same time.

How is TLJ different? Adding comedy where it's not needed? Making a boring movie?

Again, it's the narrative they're trying to dictate, I think most of us loved all the new stuff they've done with the franchise. Characters like Rey, Phasma, Finn were all so cool and yet they've been handled so poorly. They've shoved legacy characters down our throats but given them crappy story arcs that only pisses us off, I think all of us would've been happy with the old cast having a very minor but GOOD role in the movies. TLJ kept saying "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" or whatever that was, I can tell you I was so excited when it seemed Rey and Kylo were going to join forces, this was something NEW, and what happens a few seconds later? Oh wait NEVERMIND let's go back to Empire vs Rebels so it's exactly the same as the OT.

Making these movies without a vision is what has ruined Star Wars, Lucas' flawed vision at least had an end point or sort of progress.

[Vegita-San]

the problem was, the last jedi wasn't different at all.

all that was different is that they tried to be dark and moody in a plot that hadn't earned that yet. it was still a cookie cutter copy of 5 and 6 right down to the last detail.

even the dark and moodiness angle.

face it. this area of star wars has no creativity.

[plastroncafe]

My issue with the idea that Disney is creating this false Narrative of a noxious fandom, is that they didn't create it.
It's nothing new, and has always existed.

the many who are seeing it now seemingly for the first time are doing so because they were the ones in the protected gatekeeper class to begin with.

you can just not like the movies all you want, they're not perfect movies by any stretch of the imagination. It's not exactly hard to find faults with anything in that universe, because all of the movies have them.
When I go to see a star war I'm not expecting Citizen Kane.
And there's no accounting for taste.

But to say that Disney and geek blogs are fabricating this idea of fandom and hardcore fans that doesn't exist, it's just patently false.

And no amount of no true Scotsman is going to change that.

[sdp]

But there is and it's clear as day, If you need me to provide examples you're just buying into it, I mean you already said it yourself. I've posted evidence before on the TLJ thread if you are really curious.

Mainstream blogs are not about "geek" culture, they're about getting clicks, and things had never been as bad as they have gotten in the 2010s. There is clearly a Disney bias since just like Apple they can keep their exclusive treatment only to those who give them good press and also because of identity politics. It's understandable since it's a business but they're making the industry worse off and you have apologists who side with them.

As far as the fans, the fandom is far more polarized than it ever was during the prequel era, why is that? Everyone and their mom seemed to hate the prequels and yet things didn't get this ridiculous as with TLJ. I think it's part because the blogs back then tried to copy what the fandom did, the fandom disliked it so they disliked it, and now it's the other way around where the blogs want to tell you how to feel about the property. Also because politics have been intertwined with your opinion of something, certainly if you didn't like Episode II back then people didn't tell you that you were a Bush supporter or imply that you were one of the -ists like they do now.

Yes, the current narrative is false, and it's a strategy that has worked for a lot of things, it only seemed to fail with Ghostbusters 3 and now with Star Wars because there's enough fans who aren't putting up with it. And I thinkGhostbusters 3 (in b4 andrew says it isn't 3) is ok and think it was given an unfair chance by fans and critics, but the narrative of "it's the fans that are wrong" that killed the movie. For Star Wars it's been more divided but clearly it also failed.

edit: And I apologize for this post as I hope it doesn't start another 10 pages of people going nowhere.

[frank_one]

The problem is the fans. They don't know what they want. The Force Awakens was great. But some fans thought it was too much like A New Hope. and wanted something different. The Last Jedi was something different. and the fans hated it for being different. Star Wars fans cannot make up there minds.The fans hated it for being bad, not for being different. Rogue one was different and the fans loved it.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder why on earth Spaceballs 2: The Quest for more Money hasn't happened yet. The time is more perfect than ever!

[plastroncafe]

The fans hated it for being bad, not for being different. Rogue one was different and the fans loved it.

Some fans hated it, and some fans didn't.
That's kind of how this always plays out.
It's just that the fans that didn't like a think seem to be suffering under the delusion that they're the only fans that matter.

To that I say:

[CyberCubed]

The fans hated it for being bad, not for being different. Rogue one was different and the fans loved it.

There's literally people who liked TFA and hated Rogue One. I mean you can see varied opinions by virtually everyone online of the 4 new movies Disney released so far.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, the idea that "Rogue One" is universally liked is... not true.

[snake]

Rogue One and to an extent- Solo, are the only good didney sw movies.

[Sumac]

The problem is the fans. They don't know what they want. The Force Awakens was great. But some fans thought it was too much like A New Hope. and wanted something different. The Last Jedi was something different. and the fans hated it for being different. Star Wars fans cannot make up there minds.
TFA was a literal carbon copy of TNH, just worse. And TLJ seemingly was just a bad movie.
It's not about fans, it's about Disney making mistakes and producing mediocre movies.

you can just not like the movies all you want, they're not perfect movies by any stretch of the imagination. It's not exactly hard to find faults with anything in that universe, because all of the movies have them.
When I go to see a star war I'm not expecting Citizen Kane.
And there's no accounting for taste.
When producers are trying to reframe all criticisms of the movie as "angry nerds being angry" - it's issue of the producers, not fanbase.
When author is being angry that his work is controversial and doesn't hailed by everyone, even though he virtue signaling to the max, it's a problem of the author.
Doing any of those is not only unprofessional and outs people who do so, as extremely little minded people with inflated egos without ability for self-reflection.

But to say that Disney and geek blogs are fabricating this idea of fandom and hardcore fans that doesn't exist, it's just patently false.
Actually, no-one is trying to do this. Thanks for putting argument on top of its head as always.

[Vegita-San]

Yeah, the idea that "Rogue One" is universally liked is... not true.

especially considering this is where lucasfilm started going full SJW on fans. I WAS looking forward to it, until that started, then I lost all enthusiasm..and saw that it was just another safe episode 4 nostalgia callback that wasn't needed.

[CyberCubed]

especially considering this is where lucasfilm started going full SJW on fans. I WAS looking forward to it, until that started, then I lost all enthusiasm..

So a movie having a female lead automatically makes it going full SJW? WTF?

[Andrew NDB]

TFA was a literal carbon copy of TNH, just worse. And TLJ seemingly was just a bad movie.

True. TFA was such -- even as a carbon copy of ANH -- that everything hinged on what they would do in part 8. And then they did TLJ... :(

[ZariusTwo]

So apparently the scene where Leia and Han reunite from Force Awakens was not meant to be Leia's first appearance in the movie...her first scene, where she tries to gather resources for the resistance, was cut. According to this guy, the scene could now serve as the footage used to keep Carrie in episode IX

https://twitter.com/mikeryan/status/1022943835440246784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fofficialfan.proboards.com%2Ft hread%2F575893%2Fstar-wars-episode-ix-2019%3Fpage%3D3

[Andrew NDB]

So apparently the scene where Leia and Han reunite from Force Awakens was not meant to be Leia's first appearance in the movie...her first scene, where she tries to gather resources for the resistance, was cut. According to this guy, the scene could now serve as the footage used to keep Carrie in episode IX

We've known about that scene for years now. It's in the novel, too. And I posted that very thing like 3 days ago:

I think they'll find a way to repurpose the deleted scene of Leia addressing the New Republic from TFA. Then snippets of her looking deep in thought at various times.

[Sumac]

True. TFA was such -- even as a carbon copy of ANH -- that everything hinged on what they would do in part 8. And then they did TLJ... :(
It's actually hilarious that they used TNH (one of the most "complete" movies ever) as a template and managed to make it worse by trying to connect it to the future part...which eschewed a lot connections for the sake of the ****** "PLOT TWISTS".

And then Johnson and Disney attempted to justify it by saying "we must forgot about the past", except the whole sequel trilogy is founded upon the past and is a continuation of the past and the first movie was a copypaste of the past movie and TLJ still uses the same status quo from the past...:P:roll:

[ZariusTwo]

Disney want the tv rights to the SW movies back from Turner Brodcasting

https://www.newsarama.com/41241-disney-trying-to-buy-back-star-wars-tv-rights-as-streaming-service-ramps-up-report.html

[ranger_scout]

According to Todd Fisher, additional unreleased footage of Carrie Fisher as Leia from The Last Jedi might be used in Episode IX as well.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/963145-carrie-fisher-last-jedi-footage

[Andrew NDB]

According to Todd Fisher, additional unreleased footage of Carrie Fisher as Leia from The Last Jedi might be used in Episode IX as well.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/963145-carrie-fisher-last-jedi-footage

There probably is, they just don't want to name-drop "The Last Jedi" right now with as... tumultuous as its relationship with the fandom is.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh... they might split it into two movies?

http://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/star-wars-episode-ix-longest-movie-franchise/

Feels like FAKE news to me, though.

[Vegita-San]

how can one screw up a simple set of movies so badly?

they are just throwing darts at a board now.

[ZariusTwo]

A 10 Episode series does sound better than Nine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A 10 Episode series does sound better than Nine.

But then it's no longer a trilogy of trilogies. Bad form!

[ProphetofGanja]

A trilogy of trilogies is better than a couple trilogies and a quadrilogy (?)

[MikeandRaph87]

I am not how the reporter thinks it will make fans happy, but the believed subtitle of Episode 9 The New Order.

https://movieweb.com/amp/star-wars-9-rumored-titles-new-order/

[Vegita-San]

if its not luke skywalkers new jedi order, don't care.

[MikeandRaph87]

if its not luke skywalkers new jedi order, don't care.

That is my feeling. Its like Luke was inbetween orders inspired by one to inspire another. :tgrumble:

[Andrew NDB]

I am not how the reporter thinks it will make fans happy, but the believed subtitle of Episode 9 The New Order.

This isn't based on anything in particular, but my gut feeling is that -- particularly since Disney is billing this as the conclusion of episodic Star Wars ever -- (and IF this is true, which is assuming a lot) "The New Order" refers to the order of galactic players. i.e., the First Order shakes hands with the New Republic, joins it, and that's that.

But three big reasons make me think this is bullsh**.

#1: The First Order is a thing right now. Why confuse things?

#2: "The New Order" is literally and famously the name Emperor Palpatine gave to his brand of galactic fascism (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Order) when he took power. I don't see that being recycled as something else.

#3: Every single numbered Star Wars movie ever, everyone has been wrong about the title. Except for "Revenge of the Sith," and those were just lucky, logical guesses.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

As I said in another thread; What they should really do is have Rey use the 'world between worlds' from rebels, to prevent Ben Solo's fall to the dark side. Then have her return to a galaxy where Luke, Leia and Han are all alive, the Jedi order was rebuilt by Luke and is stronger than ever, the New Republic is flourishing, Rey is a Knight in Luke's New Jedi order, and Kylo Ren never existed.

[Sumac]

They should have not recycle conflict between rebels and empire.
And made Rey something more than a sterile and bland Mary Sue.

[frank_one]

As I said in another thread; What they should really do is have Rey use the 'world between worlds' from rebels, to prevent Ben Solo's fall to the dark side. Then have her return to a galaxy where Luke, Leia and Han are all alive, the Jedi order was rebuilt by Luke and is stronger than ever, the New Republic is flourishing, Rey is a Knight in Luke's New Jedi order, and Kylo Ren never existed.Episode IX: Retconning of the Jedi.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Episode IX: Retconning of the Jedi.

Well, at least they already set it up in rebels! :lol:

[Vegita-San]

I STILL have yet to see a single screen shot of proof that kelly marie tran was harassed on line by 'fans'. when it happened with feigbusters(supposedly done internally), it was everywhere. why not now?

she's trending on twitter today with the sob story.

[Candy Kappa]

I STILL have yet to see a single screen shot of proof that kelly marie tran was harassed on line by 'fans'. when it happened with feigbusters(supposedly done internally), it was everywhere. why not now?

she's trending on twitter today with the sob story.

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https://nextshark-vxdsockgvw3ki.stackpathdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Anti-Disney-Facebook-Group-Post-Star-Wars.jpg

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https://s3.amazonaws.com/ebaumsworld.prod/uploads1528228968634-De7nYvlV4AAOSj7.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

"Some people are very mean on the internet!"

Also, water is wet. Very strange to me that this is some kind of new and alarming thing, when this has always been the case. The only thing that seems to have changed, apparently, is that it can get you a lot of attention if you can find something that lets you label yourself a victim.

#shocking

[Vegita-San]

bingo. it also further gets the narrative going that the fans are the problem, and that it's what needs fixing....not star wars.

all of this feels like plant articles trying to build SOME kind of fake positive publicity to get people into being excited for nein.

[plastroncafe]

Disney just gets craftier and craftier.
I mean here they went and just created several hundred years worth of racial tension and gender norms just in case the restarting of a franchise didn't pan out the way they had expected.

I got to give it to the mouse, that is some A+ damage control prep.

or maybe the alternative conclusion is that fandom communities don't police their own enough, which allows those from outside the community to love everyone within it together.

and that this sort of thing should be a call to Arms were people from within the community who don't share racist and sexist beliefs to be outspoken within the community regarding those issues.

But nah, it's probably the first one.

[sdp]

Doubling down on the narrative only hurt Disney Star Wars reputation, I wonder if they'll Triple Down on it. It'll be interesting to see where they take Episode IX. There's too much money riding on for Disney to let an agenda bury their big purchase. We won't have to wait long to see since it'll come out next year so we'll start seeing stuff in just a few months. A part of me doesn't care since they're just milking it too much but another part still wants Star Wars to be rescued.

Obviously the sequel trilogy is too damaged at this point for it to turn things around, the most they can hope for is not to piss too many people off. But it could set the direction of where they take SWs.

[ZariusTwo]

Dominic Monaghan joins the cast

https://deadline.com/2018/08/star-wars-episode-ix-dominic-monaghan-jj-abrams-1202451972/

[raph27]

Dominic Monaghan joins the cast

https://deadline.com/2018/08/star-wars-episode-ix-dominic-monaghan-jj-abrams-1202451972/

We've had one, yes, but what about second green alien milk?

[Autbot_Benz]

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-episode-ix-matt-smith-1202886507/

‘Star Wars: Episode IX’ Casts Matt Smith in Key Role

[Andrew NDB]

Dominic Monaghan joins the cast

https://deadline.com/2018/08/star-wars-episode-ix-dominic-monaghan-jj-abrams-1202451972/

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/star-wars-episode-ix-matt-smith-1202886507/

‘Star Wars: Episode IX’ Casts Matt Smith in Key Role

Ah, the Knights of Ren fills its flock.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ah, the Knights of Ren fills its flock.

I mean, it's great casting...

Didn't help Episode VIII any, though. They had Mark F'ing Hamill.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder what type of role will Matt Smith be playing. a First Order Officer or a member of the Resistance?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I wonder what type of role will Matt Smith be playing. a First Order Officer or a member of the Resistance?

Dunno, but I'll bet my entire 11th Doctor run of DVDs that he'll be wasted.

[Andrew NDB]

Dunno, but I'll bet my entire 11th Doctor run of DVDs that he'll be wasted.

He can't possibly be underutilized as much as he was in Terminator: Genisys.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He can't possibly be underutilized as much as he was in Terminator: Genisys.

This is true. :tlol: I'd forgotten about that... know what's even better? That was my favorite part of Genisys.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1046046/Star-Wars-9-leak-Luke-Force-ghost-Rey-flashback-backlash-fan-theories-release-date/amp

Thoughts on Luke's involvement? I said before I will accept all the crap of Rian Johnson IF Luke lives to the climax of Episode 9, but there is lingering doubt the force junkie shook off the overdose.

[newfan]

Is that trustworthy news for a start?

As for ideas, if this is the case, he didn't die but went onto another plane of existence and then manages to come back..... in a better mood? :D

[MikeandRaph87]

Is that trustworthy news for a start?

As for ideas, if this is the case, he didn't die but went onto another plane of existence and then manages to come back..... in a better mood? :D

Its just a rumor. I did not mean to take it as THE WORD but as a grain of salt and thought it could spark speculation on how exactly Luke will be involved. I just feel since Carrie cannot be the centerpiece of Episode 9 that Luke be granted a life beyond episode 8 as in physical not force ghost.

[Andrew NDB]

As much as I'd want to see Luke survive Episode 8... it would only be to then get a "real death" in 9. Unless Hamill promises to stay alive until it's time for episode 10... in that case, he can die in that.

[newfan]

Its just a rumor. I did not mean to take it as THE WORD but as a grain of salt and thought it could spark speculation on how exactly Luke will be involved. I just feel since Carrie cannot be the centerpiece of Episode 9 that Luke be granted a life beyond episode 8 as in physical not force ghost.

Yeah, I would be a little more interested in the movie if this were the case and done well... course there is Andrew's point of then having him die again in this one …. depends how they'd do it. We know he is supporting cast this time but he can have a little spotlight without being a main character throughout.

[ZariusTwo]

Ep IX is "looser than previous films"

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/oscar-isaac-says-filming-star-wars-episode-ix-feels-looser-last-two-films/

[TigerClaw]

Ep IX is "looser than previous films"

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/oscar-isaac-says-filming-star-wars-episode-ix-feels-looser-last-two-films/
Sounds like they did a lot of improve. Normally they stick to the scripts for these movies. We all heard how badly it went down during the making of Solo. Perhaps they learned from those mistakes?

[Leo656]

God, no. Improv is terrible.

I think they've been having a little too much "fun" already. Time to get back to actually telling stories the audience wants. and quit jacking each other off for how "clever" they are.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

God, no. Improv is terrible.

I think they've been having a little too much "fun" already. Time to get back to actually telling stories the audience wants. and quit jacking each other off for how "clever" they are.

Jerking the blue space milk outta that cow udder. A perfect visual metaphor for the Star Wars franchise at this point.

Something nasty squeezed out of a massive creature by somebody who should know better. And we pretend it tastes glorious.

[Sumac]

God, no. Improv is terrible.

I think they've been having a little too much "fun" already. Time to get back to actually telling stories the audience wants. and quit jacking each other off for how "clever" they are.
At this point, they just threw **** at the wall and see what sticks.

[The Deadman]

New Details About Kylo Ren's Appearance In STAR WARS EPISODE IX Have Been Revealed - SPOILERS

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/new-details-about-kylo-rens-appearance-in-star-wars-episode-ix-have-been-revealed-spoilers-a165061

[Leo656]

So... the theme going forward is, each movie is going to undo a bunch of stuff from the last movie? :lol::lol::lol:

Jesus, I give up.

[Andrew NDB]

At least this will force JJ to do something with all of the mysteries he threw up in the air for others to answer after his VII... even if he has to kind of trample over VIII. But f*** VIII, it's not repairable at this point.

[Leo656]

That stupid fan-theory/wishful thinking about this one opening on Luke, with Rey holding out the lightsaber, and it turns out that all of "The Last Jedi" was just some horror vision of Luke's about a possible future, and none if it actually happened, would actually be the Very Best-Case Scenario. I'd support that wholeheartedly.

[IMJ]

At least this will force JJ to do something with all of the mysteries he threw up in the air for others to answer after his VII... even if he has to kind of trample over VIII. But f*** VIII, it's not repairable at this point.

I feel the same way. Episode 8 as a rare example where I was actually angered by a movie. This has happened only twice in my life. Iron Man 3 & The Last Jedi.

I usually just let movies be sources of entertainment - even spoilers don't typically detract from them for me. But those two movies.... insulting in every way.

[neatoman]

New Details About Kylo Ren's Appearance In STAR WARS EPISODE IX Have Been Revealed - SPOILERS

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/new-details-about-kylo-rens-appearance-in-star-wars-episode-ix-have-been-revealed-spoilers-a165061

So basically:

JJ: I'm gonna give him a cool mask
Rian: That's stupid, **** the mask, it makes him look like a cosplayer. I'm make him wreck it.
JJ: **** you! It's cool, I'm bringing back!
Everyone: So he gets a new mask?
JJ: No, it's the same mask glued back together!

[Sumac]

So basically:

JJ: I'm gonna give him a cool mask
Rian: That's stupid, **** the mask, it makes him look like a cosplayer. I'm make him wreck it.
JJ: **** you! It's cool, I'm bringing back!
Everyone: So he gets a new mask?
JJ: No, it's the same mask glued back together!
Too many cooks in the same kitchen...
And none of them is really competent to undertake such task as creating trilogy in one of the biggest franchises ever.

[Leo656]

I must say, though, I'm loving the passive-aggressive back-and-forth between two directors, working on the same trilogy of films, who clearly hate each others' movies and ideas. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I must say, though, I'm loving the passive-aggressive back-and-forth between two directors, working on the same trilogy of films, who clearly hate each others' movies and ideas. :lol:

'Tis a thing of beauty to behold

[Leo656]

When JJ Abrams is the lesser of two evils, you know you dun' goofed.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

When JJ Abrams is the lesser of two evils, you know you dun' goofed.

Oh lord, that is PAINFUL to read. Day-ahm!

[Leo656]

You should read his rough sketch of ideas for the Superman movie, circa 2003 or so.

I know you hated Eisenberg. BUT. What if he was... Lex Luthor, Secret Kryptonian Sleeper Agent Who ALSO Runs The X-Files???!!!

Oh, and Krypton never blew up. So after Superman gets done doing Flying Bullet-Time Karate With Alien "LeX-Files" Luthor, he has to go back there and stop a civil war by fulfilling some Chosen One prophecy in the sequel.

See, people think Abrams just has bad ideas about Star Wars and Star Trek. The truth is he's FULL of bad ideas, about everything! :lol: Makes me wonder how the first Cloverfield ended up being anything. I kinda like that one, but I find the rest of his portfolio to be quite spotty.

[sdp]

TLJ isn't as bad as TFA, I can find more rescueable parts from TLJ. Kylo Ren being one of them, I liked him for the most part in TLJ but not in TFA, I did like the helmet so I hope the rumor is true. Maybe the knights of ren can be something cool? Maybe they can give some interesting backstory on the big bad they killed in TLJ (so one note that I forgot his name).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You should read his rough sketch of ideas for the Superman movie, circa 2003 or so.

I know you hated Eisenberg. BUT. What if he was... Lex Luthor, Secret Kryptonian Sleeper Agent Who ALSO Runs The X-Files???!!!

Oh, and Krypton never blew up. So after Superman gets done doing Flying Bullet-Time Karate With Alien "LeX-Files" Luthor, he has to go back there and stop a civil war by fulfilling some Chosen One prophecy in the sequel.

See, people think Abrams just has bad ideas about Star Wars and Star Trek. The truth is he's FULL of bad ideas, about everything! :lol: Makes me wonder how the first Cloverfield ended up being anything. I kinda like that one, but I find the rest of his portfolio to be quite spotty.

Lucky for you my coworker snatched the scissors away from me before I could end the pain. Now I have to live with this horrible knowledge you've cursed me with. Thanks, boss. :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

See, people think Abrams just has bad ideas about Star Wars and Star Trek. The truth is he's FULL of bad ideas, about everything! :lol: Makes me wonder how the first Cloverfield ended up being anything.

Probably because he had no part in directing or writing it whatsoever.

[Leo656]

Lucky for you my coworker snatched the scissors away from me before I could end the pain. Now I have to live with this horrible knowledge you've cursed me with. Thanks, boss. :tsad:

We've ALL gotta live with it, son. :lol:

One of the few times Rampant Nerd Rage actually made any difference. WB was all-in on that stuff, but the internet exploded and they had to take it back.

I've never been excited for an Abrams movie since then, knowing what I do of how his mind works.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

We've ALL gotta live with it, son. :lol:

One of the few times Rampant Nerd Rage actually made any difference. WB was all-in on that stuff, but the internet exploded and they had to take it back.

I've never been excited for an Abrams movie since then, knowing what I do of how his mind works.

When everyone heard JJ Abrams was gonna do Star Wars, I tried to warn them. "He done fvcked up Star Trek, boyo. Don't getcha hopes up." And here we are! He's the lesser of two evils!? :teek: What a world we live in.

[Xav]

That stupid fan-theory/wishful thinking about this one opening on Luke, with Rey holding out the lightsaber, and it turns out that all of "The Last Jedi" was just some horror vision of Luke's about a possible future, and none if it actually happened, would actually be the Very Best-Case Scenario.Nah, the Very Best-Case Scenario would be if they got rid of the Disney continuity completely.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd settle for a public apology, then some fairly surgical reshoots of TLJ and then a release of the "real" TLJ.

[Vegita-San]

Nah, the Very Best-Case Scenario would be if they got rid of the Disney continuity completely.

agreed.

then redo the 7 8 and 9 trilogy properly in animation. sigh.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm grudgingly OK with 7 being left alone... but 8 needs to receive Rogue One/Solo levels of reshoots. Let's do that. Pause 9 for a while... we can wait another year for 9 as long as we get a "real" 8.

Is Benicio Del Toro even in 9? What a useless character.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm grudgingly OK with 7 being left alone... but 8 needs to receive Rogue One/Solo levels of reshoots. Let's do that. Pause 9 for a while... we can wait another year for 9 as long as we get a "real" 8.

Is Benicio Del Toro even in 9? What a useless character.

Nah. That'd be Rose.

[Leo656]

Perhaps I should have said, "The best case scenario within reason." :lol::lol::lol:

And yeah, she was awful. Added nothing. And her action figures were clogging up Clearance pegs for almost an entire goddamn year. Totally unnecessary character, once you get past the flimsy "This movie has Too Many Honkies" argument. Aside from "Hey, we got a ____! 50 Diversity Points!", she added absolutely nothing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Perhaps I should have said, "The best case scenario within reason." :lol::lol::lol:

And yeah, she was awful. Added nothing. And her action figures were clogging up Clearance pegs for almost an entire goddamn year. Totally unnecessary character, once you get past the flimsy "This movie has Too Many Honkies" argument. Aside from "Hey, we got a ____! 50 Diversity Points!", she added absolutely nothing.

She added love. :trolleye:

[Leo656]

I just couldn't wait to leave, by that point. My eyes couldn't roll any farther back and I was like, "Y'know, whatever." Because they so weren't getting me back by then. :lol:

But yeah, that was bad. Super cheesy. But hey, nothing in that movie adhered to logic, so what's one more dumb decision?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Or just have the Luke Skywalker Ray encountered on Ach-to turn out to just be a force projection, and the Real luke has spent the 30 years since the battle of Endor secretly training a new army of Jedi. (the students Kylo killed were just one small group of students in one location; Luke had several academies hidden throughout the galaxy, each training small numbers of new Jedi, and he travels from academy to academy)

[Vegita-San]

if they had actually set it up to be that way, that might be more interesting.

[TigerClaw]

Word has it the Teaser Trailer for Episode 9 will be released on Wednesday.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1059928/Star-Wars-9-teaser-trailer-release-date-wednesday-december-christmas-Episode-IX

[Leo656]

It'd be great if the trailer was just:

- Black background
- Cue the traditional opening score
- Star Wars logo
- The words "We're VERY Sorry" in large, bold letters for the opening scroll, followed by a slightly smaller, "This one's better, We Promise."
- End trailer

I swear, I'd forgive them for EVERYTHING, if they had the self-awareness to just do THAT and nothing else. :lol:

[Vegita-San]

It'd be great if the trailer was just:

- Black background
- Cue the traditional opening score
- Star Wars logo
- The words "We're VERY Sorry" in large, bold letters for the opening scroll, followed by a slightly smaller, "This one's better, We Promise."
- End trailer

I swear, I'd forgive them for EVERYTHING, if they had the self-awareness to just do THAT and nothing else. :lol:

I wouldn't forgive them for everything, but it'd be a step in the right direction.

We STILL have JJ Abhrams, who is no better than kathleen kennedy calling movie shots.

I never imagined there would be a day where I just wouldn't give a damn a bout star wars, or a trailer coming out, but here we are.

There was so much HOPE going in to episode 7. the pre production releases before the movie came out was fun. seemed like a happy attitude. then the movie came out, and it was like The Phantom Menace all over again (I've seen this done before, but better, and with less new material to keep me interested)

then the political crap came in to further dampen things and that was it for me. done.

I STILL don't own episode 8, R1 or Solo on blu ray.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It'd be great if the trailer was just:

- Black background
- Cue the traditional opening score
- Star Wars logo
- The words "We're VERY Sorry" in large, bold letters for the opening scroll, followed by a slightly smaller, "This one's better, We Promise."
- End trailer

I swear, I'd forgive them for EVERYTHING, if they had the self-awareness to just do THAT and nothing else. :lol:

Mickey Mouse doesn't apologize for $hit. Say that again and he'll come kiss your kneecaps with a sledgehammer.

He knows where you live.

[Autbot_Benz]

Word has it the Teaser Trailer for Episode 9 will be released on Wednesday.
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1059928/Star-Wars-9-teaser-trailer-release-date-wednesday-december-christmas-Episode-IX

That link doesn't confirm or deny a trailer release its just tabloid here are 5 reasons it could be released

[Leo656]

I never imagined there would be a day where I just wouldn't give a damn a bout star wars, or a trailer coming out, but here we are.
------

I STILL don't own episode 8, R1 or Solo on blu ray.

I know, right! Not since before I was 13 have I given so few sh*ts about Star Wars.

Those "Black Label" or whatever 6-inch figures are sooooo cooool, though. I gotta get me some'a them.

And yeah, I actually don't own any of the new stuff on disc. Sh*t's prohibitively expensive for no reason. Another side-effect of The Disney Effect; "We're gonna price all our sh*t $10 more than everything else because we know you'll pay for it, you f*cking chimps."

EVERY other movie drops to $10-15 on Blu-ray after 6-8 months. But anything Star Wars or Disney in general is gonna stay $25-35 for YEARS. For no reason other than "We Can." :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

That link doesn't confirm or deny a trailer release its just tabloid here are 5 reasons it could be released

Yeah, and it mentions "reports" saying it'll drop Wednesday without a single citation. Sort of like every time a "The Batman" article says there's a lot of reports about Ben Affleck leaving but in reality there isn't even one.

We are about the right time for a teaser, though.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, and it mentions "reports" saying it'll drop Wednesday without a single citation. Sort of like every time a "The Batman" article says there's a lot of reports about Ben Affleck leaving but in reality there isn't even one.

We are about the right time for a teaser, though.
You know what comes out on Wednesday? Mary Poppins Returns. Its the perfect time to release a teaser trailer.

[Andrew NDB]

You know what comes out on Wednesday? Mary Poppins Returns. Its the perfect time to release a teaser trailer.

Here we are, Wednesday. Nada.

*sigh* I do find myself still rooting for JJ with this one... but he's got a whole hell of a lot to do in one movie, including retroactively making the last two "matter." It's not unlike a football game where the other team has been running the ball and the score is like 30/0 in the fourth quarter.

[ranger_scout]

Here's the latest from Todd Fisher about the archival footage of Leia that will be used in Episode IX.

“There’s a lot of minutes of footage. I don’t mean just outtakes. This is unused, new content that could be woven into the storyline. That’s what’s going to give everybody such a great kick. It’s going to look like it was meant to be. Like it was shot yesterday.”

https://ew.com/movies/2019/01/02/carrie-fisher-star-wars-episode-ix-todd-fisher/

[Sumac]

Ugh.
I don't know how to feel about this. I mean, if it is played as some recorded footage in the movie - it is one thing, if they somehow insert it onto "modern" story - it's another.

I mean, it's inevitable that dead actors will "play" more roles as the technology marches on, but it still makes me feel a bit uneasy, for the lack of better word.

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh.
I don't know how to feel about this. I mean, if it is played as some recorded footage in the movie - it is one thing, if they somehow insert it onto "modern" story - it's another.


I'm pretty sure it's the latter, or mostly the latter. And it sounds like it is less just plugging them into the movie as it is crafting stuff around what was shot with her, in reverse.

[sdp]

I'm confident they can make something logical with Leia, well at least as logical as her roles in Ep7/8 already were so nothing interesting but at least consistent. Luke will likely be a ghost and have some scenes to "redeem" him, I personally liked him in 8 for the most part.

I'm just not confident that JJ can actually deliver on this final act, he has never been good at delivering a satisfying piece to his "mystery box" in his other works either. The way I see it both J.J. and Disney see that it was Rian Johnson who made the bad movie but the direction they're going is good since TFA did great and even Rogue One did fine, Solo only did bad because of TLJ so JJ will just do more of his stuff which is an OT rehash and Disney will be happy.


I mean at least I can't think of any possible way to make the trilogy work, these are just some ideas that could make me think "well at least they tried". Rey/Kylo get together to form a new world together like Ep8 teased us with before going *J/K!! EmpirevRebels again! Finn becoming a Jedi, telling us what the **** the first order but according to them they already justified the existence with the lame explanations so that won't happen. Revealing a somewhat interesting backstory to Snoke even though he is dead to make sense of the first order would be nice. Rey actually having real parents and being a Skywalker/Palpatine or something to make sense of her powers and it was just Kylo lying to her about her past. Hell even a threat of an outside force a la New Jedi Order as a teaser for episode X would at least tell fans "hey we're going on a different direction, sorry for ****ing up the sequel trilogy" but most of these things are too ballsy and a longshot

[Andrew NDB]

It's not impossible to salvage 7 and 8 but good god... JJ has his work cut out for him. And as you say, JJ has never proven himself to deliver a good closing act to... well, anything before. Ever. As part 3 in a trilogy, the trilogy of trilogies, this has to sort of be devoid of any of his mystery box sh** and be the polar opposite of everything he's prided himself in doing his whole career.

Yeesh. Just yeesh. And it's weird, I've never been less excited to see a trailer for a numerical SW movie ever. More than anything, this just makes me sad.

[newfan]

It will be both good and sad to see her, with both Leia and Luke still appearing in one way or another I'll likely go and watch the movie still, not sure what I expect to see so far as the story at this point. I'll probably hold off when it comes out and read the spoilers from others.

[Vegita-San]

Yeesh. Just yeesh. And it's weird, I've never been less excited to see a trailer for a numerical SW movie ever. More than anything, this just makes me sad.

yep.

it's what happens when so many things are just not made for the fans or the good of the franchise anymore.

We where flipping across things on the TV to find something colorful the baby could watch as we fed him. my mother came across Rise, and I just couldn't get myself to care about it at all. ten years ago, with the amazing 4kids tmnt, I'd never figure that moment would come.

but, here we are.

[Sumac]

The problem is not that Ep VIII wasn't made for fans, the problem that it was just a mediocre movie by itself.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Does anyone even care about Star Wars anymore? they totally butchered the franchise. If the Disney Star wars movies were peoples introduction to the movies no-one would like them, and they would NEVER have become a phenomenon.

Yet another cash grabs that diminishes the originals.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, it took me three days, but I was able to put together a 90-minute Fanedit of The Force Awakens where Rei isn't a god sue, Finn is the only one who weilds the lightsaber, Kylo Ren does nothing, and Han gets to save the day and survive.

I call it "The Ford Awakens".

Should have it uploaded later today if all goes smoothly.

[Andrew NDB]

Finn is the only one who weilds the lightsaber,

Rey getting the lightsaber is actually one of the better spots in the movie. It's that she's so good with it "out of the box" that's the problem.

If I were to reedit it I'd just mostly show her getting owned and never laying a blow on Kylo. Then the land splits and that's that.

[sdp]

I wonder if they'll do anything with Captain Phasma, such a cool design only to be treated like trash (literally) in Ep7. I complained and fanboys attacked me about how I was impatient and it was a set up, we'd see the real phasma in the next movie, the novel explains why she gave the plans so easily since she secretly hates the empi- I mean first order. Ep8 comes out and she does nothing except getting beaten rather easily and left to die for the second time.

Yeesh. Just yeesh. And it's weird, I've never been less excited to see a trailer for a numerical SW movie ever. More than anything, this just makes me sad.
Same but this was my case after EP7.

Does anyone even care about Star Wars anymore? they totally butchered the franchise. If the Disney Star wars movies were peoples introduction to the movies no-one would like them, and they would NEVER have become a phenomenon.

Yet another cash grabs that diminishes the originals.

We need to see how much damage TLJ did and if Solo was a trend or if they can actually save face with the general audience and make money. I mean I hated and slowly stopped caring about SWs after TFA but we were a minority, most didn't jump ship until after TLJ, maybe they'll get back on the hype train again?

Disney did butcher the franchise but even if they do lose most of us they can still make plenty of money from movies from casuals for many years, it just won't be the big events SWs had always been until Solo.

[Sumac]

I never was big fan of Star Wars in the first place, so my prime interest is that new movies should be good and ORIGINAL, as opposed to rehashing plot points for nostalgia.

[Xav]

It's ironic that they wiped out the Expanded Universe so they could make original stories and just ended up redoing the OT.

[Vegita-San]

It's ironic that they wiped out the Expanded Universe so they could make original stories and just ended up redoing the OT.

and still wound up repeating stuff from the eu.

[Andrew NDB]

I never was big fan of Star Wars in the first place, so my prime interest is that new movies should be good and ORIGINAL, as opposed to rehashing plot points for nostalgia.

You don't want your expectations subverted?

[Sumac]

I kind of don't care really.
I'd like to have a good movie, but if it's bad...as I said I am not big fan of SW, especially in Disney hands.

[ranger_scout]

Anthony Daniels has finished working on Episode IX.

Today was 3PO's last on Episode IX. He's sad - so am I. But we're so proud to have worked with such a lovely, talented cast & crew lead by J.J. & Kathy. I'll miss everyone but I'm glad to know that we've been making something exceptional together, to share with the waiting world.

C-3PO actor Anthony Daniels says he's wrapped shooting on Star Wars: Episode IX (https://ew.com/movies/2019/01/28/anthony-daniels-star-wars-episode-ix/)

[frank_one]

His last time in the robot costume?

[Andrew NDB]

His last time in the robot costume?

Probably. I don't think he'll make it to X. Though I could see an inclination to have C3PO show up on "The Mandalorian" or something sometime in the foreseeable future.

Also, maybe the trailer and title in 5 days:
https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1079647/Star-Wars-9-trailer-release-date-Super-Bowl-Episode-IX-last-jedi-backlash-Marvel-Disney

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently the title will be revealed momentarily...

https://www.facebook.com/CosmicBookNews/videos/1013924955467436/

[Vegita-San]

i never thought there would be a day when i just wouldn't care.

episode 7 may have been a rehash, but despite it's flaws, it was a mostly enjoyable movie. I thought if they could fix all that in episode 8, they might have something. then episode 8 happened.

sigh. may this version of star wars crash and burn

[Leo656]

I stand firm with your opening statement.

But I do wanna get my box of Star Wars toys out of the screenhouse one'a these days, just to see what I have. Honestly can't remember. I know I collected semi-heavily in the period shortly before Episode I all the way to shortly before Episode III. Not obsessively or anything; I'm generally a "one of each character" guy. But that was a fun time and I still have all of it, including some stuff still in the packaging. Not on purpose; just stuff I bought and then had to move out before ever opening them.

Sometimes I get tempted to start again, just because the face sculpts are so much better now. And those black boxed 6-7" figures are to die for.

Like TMNT, the content of the franchise may push me away, but god dammit, I love toys and junk.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember being like 12, huddled in my bed reading "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Empire" and stuff, daring to dream what it would be like if one day, against all odds, we got Episodes VII-IX. How awesome it would be to see a new scene with Han and Luke, and how badass with the Force Leia had become.

And here we are today. And TPTB double down on a narrative that makes us the bad guys for not liking their horrible movies. It's just so crazy to me to think about.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I remember being like 12, huddled in my bed reading "Heir to the Empire" and "Dark Empire" and stuff, daring to dream what it would be like if one day, against all odds, we got Episodes VII-IX. How awesome it would be to see a new scene with Han and Luke, and how badass with the Force Leia had become.

And here we are today. And TPTB double down on a narrative that makes us the bad guys for not liking their horrible movies. It's just so crazy to me to think about.

Spoken like a true cis male who didn't appreciate Rose enough. :tlol:

[sdp]

I also remember being 11 and thinking about what an episode VII-IX would be like and then bam, a year later Episode 1 comes out and I didn't even know it existed. I was optimistic with Disney Star Wars but we all know how most of us feel and I'll watch IX but I truly don't care about the franchise much anymore, it's so weird, I doubt my love could ever be rekindled like it was.

[Voltron]

The damage is done.

Carrie Fisher is actually dead, and Luke and are both "dead" after being absolutely humiliated on the screen.

Then those Forces of Destiny cartoons just rubbed salt in the wounds, where they took every opportunity to make the male characters look dumb as hell.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The damage is done.

Carrie Fisher is actually dead, and Luke and are both "dead" after being absolutely humiliated on the screen.

Then those Forces of Destiny cartoons just rubbed salt in the wounds, where they took every opportunity to make the male characters look dumb as hell.

Could be worse.

Han Solo could've broken the Warp 10 barrier, evolved into a giant salamander, and made cute little salamander babies with Leia.

"Threshold", everyone! The worst episode of Star Trek to ever grace the screen, and making Star Wars fans realize they don't have it so bad after all! :twink:

[Andrew NDB]

Seeing rumors that there was a LEAK and the title is "Balance of the Force."

But if I recall... that's been a rumored title for every Star Wars movie since Episode I. It's also a dumb, super nebulous title.

[Leo656]

Could be worse.

Han Solo could've broken the Warp 10 barrier, evolved into a giant salamander, and made cute little salamander babies with Leia.

"Threshold", everyone! The worst episode of Star Trek to ever grace the screen, and making Star Wars fans realize they don't have it so bad after all! :twink:

Ahhhh, yeah, I read about that sh*t. :lol:

I'unno man, if someone said that was my one and only chance to bang Janeway... I might at least think about it for a good long while. :trazz: She was quite a handsome woman.

Then she got fat. :ohwell:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ahhhh, yeah, I read about that sh*t. :lol:

I'unno man, if someone said that was my one and only chance to bang Janeway... I might at least think about it for a good long while. :trazz: She was quite a handsome woman.

Then she got fat. :ohwell:

She also got Russian. It's a give and take, I guess. :tlol:

[Leo656]

At least Sixty-Of-Nine is still hot, last I checked. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

"Threshold", everyone! The worst episode of Star Trek to ever grace the screen, and making Star Wars fans realize they don't have it so bad after all! :twink:

I actually enjoyed that episode. It was just so random.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I actually enjoyed that episode. It was just so random.

LOL, what? Man, it's the worst episode of all Star Trek. Makes Spock's Brain look like In The Pale Moonlight. :tlol:

What happens if you break the Warp 10 barrier? You evolve into a horny giant salamander. :teek:

[Vegita-San]

I actually enjoyed that episode. It was just so random.

I don't even mind spocks brain. what better brain to make a super computer out of, than a vulcan brain?

the ONLY thing I didn't like about the warp 10 episode (and I didn't mind the sped up evolution thing) was the grossness of the evolution. rather than it happening all at once like I think it should have (fast, like the warp ten travel), they had to go all horror and show the grossness of it. that part of it I can't watch. the rest of it is fine.

even the alien babies thing.

[Andrew NDB]

LOL, what? Man, it's the worst episode of all Star Trek. Makes Spock's Brain look like In The Pale Moonlight. :tlol:

Granted, it's been a long time. What am I supposed to hate in it, exactly?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Granted, it's been a long time. What am I supposed to hate in it, exactly?

I guess just the sheer idiocy of it?

I dunno, man, I think you broke my brain. My wife was also trying to tell me "Yeah, it was dumb, but it was by no means the worst."

Still waiting on her to provide a worse example. Until then, well, the downstairs couch isn't as uncomfortable as I thought it would be. :tlol:

[Leo656]

Having only read about it, it definitely sounds pretty bad.

I also kinda feel inclined to agree when most of the hardcores and even the people who made the episode are unanimous in calling it a misfire. Most people at least make a half-hearted effort to stand by their work, but not in this case.

[Voltron]

Han turning into a salamander would've been WAY better than Luke being a coward. How'd we go from

"Even though he cut off my hand, tortured my sister, and murdered our mutual mentor, I know I can still save him!"

to

"Whoa, that was a trippy dream! I better kill my nephew in his sleep without consulting his parents first."

to

"Now I'm just a homeless emo guy on a planet with 4 boobed space cows and lizard nuns. Leave me alone!"


Also, I like how 1,000 generations worth of Jedi knowledge is contained in what's barely a college semester's worth of reading.

[Leo656]

Quite a number of astute observations, there.

I predict someone to come in and say "C'mon, SW has always been stupid" just about aaaany minute now. In spite of the mountain of evidence.

[Sumac]

Unlike humanoid Turtles fighting clan named after feet, nothing is inherently "stupid" about SW (aside from Skywalker family shenanigans), so you might calm your man-tits, Drama Queen Leo.

Will it make you vomit another sheet of barely comprehensible ANGERY text at my humble person? :trolleye:

[Leo656]

How about we split the difference and you just kill yourself? I think all of humanity comes out on top with that scenario.

Seriously, contribute or drop dead, you f*cking mouth-breather. Reported.

[Sumac]

How about we split the difference and you just kill yourself? I think all of humanity comes out on top with that scenario.

Seriously, contribute or drop dead, you f*cking mouth-breather. Reported.
So attention whore Leo can insult and provoke others, but lil' baby Leo can't handle the heat, when getting the taste of his own medicine?

And I thought so-called "wrestler" should be more professional in handling people who dislike them. Maybe this one got hit too many times on the head, though. I hope it was in the ring and not in some alley...

[Jester]

Both of knock it off. You put up fronts of being tough guys but also can't seem to take it when someone else is serving it up. We're all adults. Act like it.

[Leo656]

Dare we dream...?

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rian-johnson-trilogy-canceled/

Too late for the main series, but good for the franchise as a whole. IF it's true.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dare we dream...?

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rian-johnson-trilogy-canceled/

Too late for the main series, but good for the franchise as a whole. IF it's true.

When JJ Abrams is the GOOD reboot director, you know you done fvcked up.

[Leo656]

With respect to all individuals involved, though... this is what happens when you rush.

Based on the fact that they announced a million new Star Wars things before the ink on the Lucas buyout contract was signed, and also, that they sincerely wanted to release 1-2 movies per year indefinitely... the odds of anything actually turning out GREAT (if not at least good) was always very slim. I'm shocked to see the bloom fall off of the rose so early, but it was only a matter of time anyway.

They didn't take time to measure things out, they jumped in with both feet while everyone was excited about the buyout in the hope that they could capitalize on everyone's goodwill and Nostalgia Fuzzies. It worked the first time - mostly - but it didn't work the second time, and everything in between has been getting a mixed reaction, as well. They just tried to do too much too fast. Combine that with a very obstinate refusal to listen to any criticism whatsoever, and they were on very shaky ground to start with.

I have my opinions about directors and their respective choices, of course. But frankly, I don't think anyone could have achieved greatness under the guidelines Disney established from the beginning.

I've seen exactly ONE Rian Johnson movie - TLJ - and I really didn't like it, so that's all I can say about him. I've disliked a few of JJ's films, some of his ideas for other movies he didn't get to make were atrocious, but I've also seen a few that I enjoyed, so I can't blame him too much. I'd bet any money that most of his "Star Wars" decisions weren't even made by him, but came from Those Upon High, and the rest of the movie's execution is a matter of style and taste. I'd love to blame Rian Johnson entirely for TLJ, but again, I doubt he bears the brunt of the responsibility. Directors are like figureheads on these kinds of productions; they definitely have input, but it's all in service to the larger story that the production company wants to tell. The rest is just "flair".

That said, based on Rian's handling of... "The Situation", it seems to me like he doesn't "get" Star Wars and it's probably best that he stay away from it. But I think Disney needs to take serious stock before moving forward. They can't just keep blaming manchildren and misogynists for the fact that a lot of the choices they made for the last few movies have been absolutely bananas.

[Leo656]

Gosh darnit.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rian-johnson-trilogy-canceled/

"No it isn’t true, I’m still working on the trilogy. With all due respect to the movie bros, who I’m sure are lovely kind bros with good fraternal intentions."

Good to see you learned something from this debacle, ya smug prick. :roll:

[Voltron]

"At one point, he [Rian] seemed to forget he was working on a Star Wars film. He kept referring to Peter Mayhew as 'big foot' and would constantly ask why the hell all these flash lights had sticks coming out of them. When finally confronted by concerned crew members, Rian said he didn't really pay attention in history class and frankly didn't give a damn that 'Robey wants a boney'. Rian then stared off into space for a moment before audibly ******** his own pants, then resumed working as though he didn't just soil himself. It was at this point we started worrying about how the movie would turn out."

-My Experience on the Set of Episode VIII by Anonymous

[Leo656]

A+. Have a great Summer. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

"At one point, he [Rian] seemed to forget he was working on a Star Wars film. He kept referring to Peter Mayhew as 'big foot' and would constantly ask why the hell all these flash lights had sticks coming out of them. When finally confronted by concerned crew members, Rian said he didn't really pay attention in history class and frankly didn't give a damn that 'Robey wants a boney'. Rian then stared off into space for a moment before audibly ******** his own pants, then resumed working as though he didn't just soil himself. It was at this point we started worrying about how the movie would turn out."

-My Experience on the Set of Episode VIII by Anonymous

Is that real?

[Voltron]

It's telling that people have to ask. :lol:

[Sumac]

"No it isn’t true, I’m still working on the trilogy. With all due respect to the movie bros, who I’m sure are lovely kind bros with good fraternal intentions."
I am eagerly awaiting the day, when it will be revealed that RJ had harassed someone or something like that.

Someone so full of himself should be taken down a peg or two.

[ZariusTwo]

Principal Photography has wrapped on Episode IX

It feels impossible, but today wrapped photography on Episode IX. There is no adequate way to thank this truly magical crew and cast. I’m forever indebted to you all.


https://twitter.com/jjabrams/status/1096496364576493568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1096496364576493568&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bleedingcool.com%2F2019% 2F02%2F15%2Fj-j-abrams-confirms-that-photography-on-star-wars-episode-ix-has-wrapped%2F

[Andrew NDB]

More "The Future is Female" stuff straight from the official Star Wars FB:

https://www.starwars.com/news/inkkas-the-future-is-female-exclusive-reveal?cmp=smc%7C2138324199

[Leo656]

Gross.

Did they not get the memo that most - not all, but most - chicks don't care about Star Wars and stuff like that? I get trying to "expand your market share" and all that, but it seems foolish. Those girl-centric SW dolls clogged up shelves for over a year before they got Clearance tagged and tossed out. Girls are (VERY broad general statement here) not the main audience and never will be.

But sure, cut off your nose to spite your face. Whatever.

[Vegita-San]

warning, language. but, disney is doubling down on this crap everywhere, it seems.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1XWijxb-nw

[Leo656]

What's hilarious is, I was always a fan of the prominent female Star Wars characters from way back. Without needing to be told I had to like them, or else I'd have my "Good Person" card revoked. I was even a big fan of Rey, when I assumed she had a good reason for being gifted, and she wasn't just "Captain Badass" for no reason at all. I'd be there Opening Night for a movie about Bastila Shan, no question.

But it's like the more people tell me what I'm supposed to think or care about, the more I reject that notion. Something tells me I'm not alone in this.

[Sumac]

More "The Future is Female" stuff straight from the official Star Wars FB:

https://www.starwars.com/news/inkkas-the-future-is-female-exclusive-reveal?cmp=smc%7C2138324199
If I was a fan of conspiracies, I'd waged a guess, that Disney wants to get insurance that, if SW9 is a failure they can blame for that, not lack of direction or incompetent writers and directors, but nebulous "white males".

Otherwise, they still want those progressive cookies for whatever reason. Guess, being embraced by loony bin rejects is more important than making money.

[ZariusTwo]

George Lucas reportedly involved in script tweeking, reshoots, and post production editing

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1093528/Star-Wars-9-leaks-George-Lucas-to-FIX-Luke-Skywalker-and-course-correct-after-Last-Jedi

[Andrew NDB]

George Lucas reportedly involved in script tweeking, reshoots, and post production editing

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1093528/Star-Wars-9-leaks-George-Lucas-to-FIX-Luke-Skywalker-and-course-correct-after-Last-Jedi

So those earlier rumors are true... maybe?

[Sumac]

"No, sir!! It's totally not a "damage control" after divisive reception of TLJ!! We just...ugh...rewriting stuff, yeah, just rewriting to remove the stink of...I mean, to make Star Wars great again!!"

[Andrew NDB]

Hamill: "They're doing a good job of killing the past."

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/3/mark-hamill-on-disneys-star-wars-trilogy-in-the-script-forget-the-past-kill-it-if-you-have-to-and-theyre-doing-a-pretty-good-job?fbclid=IwAR0kZcTyOlHFycp-ZvJKd_SjN7OJ5roo7SuB9WfFMdZt5zrqVdiO8bjDQ1A