Star Wars: Episode IX

[AT-Man]

Palpatine looks like a hologram recording.

[CyberCubed]

Palpatine returning (if he's still alive) will either be the greatest idea or worst idea for the franchsie. Of course it all depends on the execution, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[MikeandRaph87]

Palpatine returning (if he's still alive) will either be the greatest idea or worst idea for the franchsie. Of course it all depends on the execution, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Execution. Nice pun.

[sdp]

Is that a Palpatine render from the CG Star Wars Rebels?

Palpatine returning is the only way that they can somehow savage this pathetic trilogy, it's like a "sorry we ****ed up, here's something that will sort of make it work".

If they really are learning from their lessons then I guess I"ll take it. After TLJ I thought I was done with SWs but they seem to be taking better decisions. Sure they ****ed up the ST which is a huge sin but at least there might be hope for the future.

[Andrew NDB]

Kylo Ren's helmet is back.

Are we sure he's the one that's going to be wearing it? He doesn't appear to be fighting with it in the footage we've seen. Or does he in the D23 footage?

[Sumac]

My ideal Episode 9: Palps enters the scene, kills all the new characters and the rest of the movie is about DA SHEEV conquering the Galaxy. Movie ends up with the reveal of the new Death Star and Emperor opening portal to the another world to fry some Disney executives.

[TigerClaw]

One theory I think. Will be that Palpatine will either possessed Rey or Kilo Ren.

The footage they showed at D23 showed Rey holding a red lightsaber and wearing a dark cloak of some sort.

So its possible that Palpatine as a Force Ghost has figured out a way to take over someone's body.

[raph27]

Kylo Ren's helmet is back. I thought he beat it to disrepair because he was told he was hiding with the mask? Maybe that small detail will suggest repair to the disrespect of Rian Johnson.

I could see Ben reforging it to reclaim his spot in the First Order as its leader, replacing Snoke. That would also be him overcoming Snoke's expectations, as he originally destroyed it because of Snoke's orders.

Overall I'm still not super hyped for this movie, but I'll admit that's a pretty sweet poster. Too bad it will inevitably be replaced by some generic "photoshop all the characters standing there looking five different ways" like all the others.

[Shark_Blade]

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[Andrew NDB]

Going with...

Palpatine created Anakin via immaculate conception, now Palpatine created Rey via immaculate conception (thus maintaining Rian Johnson's "your parents are nobodies" thing with JJ has kind of said he'd do) to... fulfill some purpose. Maybe even carry his essence.

Still thinking "Skywalker" may be the name of what will replace the Jedi Order.

[AquaParade]

I just ordered the Last Jedi 4K disc in anticipation of this film. Has anyone watched it? I've heard it's one of the more impressive displays of 4k and HDR.

I'm starting to get pretty excited for the next episode. I feel like I'm in a really comfortable place as a Star Wars fan. I'm not invested enough to have any concrete feelings about the right or wrong way to treat the franchise, yet I've grown up around the films, know and appreciate the characters, and love all things science-fiction and fantasy. I don't know. I'm just a casual fan and I'm enjoying it.

[Andrew NDB]

I just ordered the Last Jedi 4K disc in anticipation of this film. Has anyone watched it? I've heard it's one of the more impressive displays of 4k and HDR.

I think the only time I'd ever consider watching "The Last Jedi" again is if somehow, some way JJ successfully retroactively makes "The Last Jedi" meaningful within "The Rise of Skywalker."

And the odds are stacked vastly against him.

[sdp]

Palpatine talks about Darth Plagueis in Ep III, maybe they'll retake that storyline on him also finding out how to live forever, maybe possessing people and that's why we see dark side Rey and it was the emperor controlling Snoke etc. Similar to the comic story of how palpatine came back in the comics, or maybe like in the comic Dark empire only Rey instead of Luke turns to the dark side to understand it and beat the emperor this way. This understanding of the light and dark side is now called to be a skywalker since it was Luke who first did it. I dunno.

Some lame ideas, really as generic as it is if Rey is a Skywalker it'd be for the best, doing something different just so it's not obvious is a bit dumb if it's not satisfying.

I'll definitely be watching all 8 films before 9 releases. But yeah after that I don't know if I'll care to revisit the sequel trilogy ever again unless 9 is somehow amazing and redeems 7/8 but I can't see that happening, best hope 9 has is to salvage the franchise .

edit:apparently there are real spoilers out there, unsure if i want to read them. I kind of want them just to see how they plan on fixing the mess but i can wait and see my last "real" star wars movie.

[Roseangelo]

Finally. Evil 3PO.

[Andrew NDB]

edit:apparently there are real spoilers out there, unsure if i want to read them. I kind of want them just to see how they plan on fixing the mess but i can wait and see my last "real" star wars movie.

Point me to them?

[Sumac]

If those spoilers are true Star Wars will be very scandalous property and fans will get the biggest, "epiccest" and most delicious butthurt ever, especially those of SJW variety.

Going by spoilers story in itself is a horrible shitmess. But at least it is something crazy different.

[TigerClaw]

Activate Instant Kill

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EC8BV4jXUAUO_kw?format=jpg&name=small

[AquaParade]

I think the only time I'd ever consider watching "The Last Jedi" again is if somehow, some way JJ successfully retroactively makes "The Last Jedi" meaningful within "The Rise of Skywalker."

And the odds are stacked vastly against him.

I thought The Last Jedi was as good as any other Star Wars films, but I watch these with one eye closed. I admit it. I only tune in when someone with a cool looking helmet shows up on screen. I exaggerate, but at the end of the day, I am mostly there for the world building and set-design, so maybe that's why I have no especially strong feelings towards TLJ.

I can't tell if most of the complaints are political, story and expectation related, or what. I am sure there are valid reasons, because I have never seen a fandom explode like that, but at the same time, it seemed to be a political thing aa well. I'll try not to open that can of worms.

That said, I do remember enjoying bits of dialogue and feeling the pace slow to a crawl at points as well.

[Xav]

Point me to them?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdogzVKRgecnANjj3I_0d-mUFI5n2AswYDBdOEnmwvc/edit

[Vegita-San]

Spoiler heavy. another reddit leak. sounds like BAD fan fiction.

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[TigerClaw]

Spoiler heavy. another reddit leak. sounds like BAD fan fiction.

s5A57qnahx0
I wouldn't watch any videos posted by Geeks + Gamers. Its nothing but negativity on them.

[Vegita-San]

maybe because there is nothing to be positive about.

this isn't a trilogy. just three random what if stories.

[Autbot_Benz]

Spoiler heavy. another reddit leak. sounds like BAD fan fiction.

s5A57qnahx0

https://i.imgur.com/GBZ18qo.jpg

[sdp]

Not gonna read spoilers, will wait to see if the final film can salvage the sequel trilogy somehow. Thankfully all the negativity of TLJ might have proven positive for the franchise overall. JJ just had an interview saying he wasn't going to do any retconning of TLJ because it was always planned this way from the start. Some damage control and I don't mind as long as the retcons do happen and help the ST become the end of the saga as the marketing is promoting.

Finally. Evil 3PO.

Been done.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IeYMqcutwV8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Sumac]

The only thing that is obvious with ST is that nothing had been planned from the start.
TLJ being what it is, is a testament to it.

[sdp]

The only thing that is obvious with ST is that nothing had been planned from the start.
TLJ being what it is, is a testament to it.

Well the notes that Lucas had for Ep 7 at least for half the movie is what we saw in Ep 7-8 from Disney, they just decided to stretch out that first half of the movie into two full movies, hence no direction.

Even with all the hate lucas haters would've given him, i would've loved to see his vision for the movies, especially if he didn't direct them.

[Xav]

Lucas himself said Disney didn't use his ideas for episode 7.

[sdp]

Lucas himself said Disney didn't use his ideas for episode 7.

You can take a look at the concept art for Ep VII and a lot of the pre-buy out stuff from epVII is what you see in VII and VIII. There's also notes of what lucas had originally wanted out online and while different they did take some of the ideas, just decided to re-do the empire vs rebels instead of a new direction and stretched out the idea for VII over a trilogy.

[Xav]

So it was Lucas' idea to have a Palpatine type character whose apprentice kills him, takes his place only to get overshadowed when the real Palpatine returns?

[Vegita-San]

wonder if this is true... interesting if so. I know I don't own it..

re blu ray media
>>Force Awakens sold 3 million copies in 1 week, Last Jedi sold 3 million copies in 3 month>>

[Sumac]

Lucas himself said Disney didn't use his ideas for episode 7.
A lot of core concepts from 7 and 8 episodes were taking directly from early Lucas ideas: Rey was called Kira and she was a junker. Finn was called Sam / Skylar and he was white stormtrooper who crashed on Kira's planet and befriended her. There was a black character, who was more or less "teacher figure", he was supposed to die at the end of the Lucas's episode 7. Kira and Sam / Skylar met Han and at some point possibly explored ruins of Death Star 2 at Endor. The main villain was "Jedi killer", who could have been working for someone else and also could have been Ben Solo corrupted by twi'lek sith, based on Darth Talon.

[Andrew NDB]

From what I understand...

* Disney required Lucas (yes, not vice versa) to write synopses for Episodes VII-IX as a condition of the sale. Lucas did so.

* Michael Ardnt wrote a script for VII based on those synopses. Disney didn't like it.

* JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan write a new script for VII. SOME of the Ardnt stuff was retained, but it isn't clear how much.

I don't think/know if anything in Lucas' synopses for VIII & IX ever made it in anywhere. Sounds like just some of his VII stuff on a very basic level (Luke in solitude on some planet, a female Force sensitive seeks him out, etc.).

[sdp]

You know they know they messed up when Disney CEO Bob Iger says things like these:
On putting too many movies too quick:
"I just think that we might’ve put a little bit too much in the marketplace too fast. I think the storytelling capabilities of the company are endless because of the talent we have at the company, and the talent we have at the company is better than it’s ever been, in part because of the influx of people from Fox."

On George sending his outlines for the Sequel Trilogy:

At some point in the process, George told me that he had completed outlines for three new movies. He agreed to send us three copies of the outlines: one for me; one for Alan Braverman; and one for Alan Horn, who’d just been hired to run our studio. Alan Horn and I read George’s outlines and decided we needed to buy them, though we made clear in the purchase agreement that we would not be contractually obligated to adhere to the plot lines he’d laid out.
On George's new role of creative authority:

He knew that I was going to stand firm on the question of creative control, but it wasn’t an easy thing for him to accept. And so he reluctantly agreed to be available to consult with us at our request. I promised that we would be open to his ideas (this was not a hard promise to make; of course we would be open to George Lucas’s ideas), but like the outlines, we would be under no obligation.
On revealing to George they weren't following his plot outlines:

Early on, Kathy brought J.J. and Michael Arndt up to Northern California to meet with George at his ranch and talk about their ideas for the film. George immediately got upset as they began to describe the plot and it dawned on him that we weren’t using one of the stories he submitted during the negotiations.

The truth was, Kathy, J.J., Alan, and I had discussed the direction in which the saga should go, and we all agreed that it wasn’t what George had outlined. George knew we weren’t contractually bound to anything, but he thought that our buying the story treatments was a tacit promise that we’d follow them, and he was disappointed that his story was being discarded. I’d been so careful since our first conversation not to mislead him in any way, and I didn’t think I had now, but I could have handled it better. I should have prepared him for the meeting with J.J. and Michael and told him about our conversations, that we felt it was better to go in another direction. I could have talked through this with him and possibly avoided angering him by not surprising him. Now, in the first meeting with him about the future of Star Wars, George felt betrayed, and while this whole process would never have been easy for him, we’d gotten off to an unnecessarily rocky start.

On George seeing the Force Awakens for the first time:

Just prior to the global release, Kathy screened The Force Awakens for George. He didn’t hide his disappointment. “There’s nothing new,” he said. In each of the films in the original trilogy, it was important to him to present new worlds, new stories, new characters, and new technologies. In this one, he said, “There weren’t enough visual or technical leaps forward.” He wasn’t wrong, but he also wasn’t appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars. We’d intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do. Looking back with the perspective of several years and a few more Star Wars films, I believe J.J. achieved the near-impossible, creating a perfect bridge between what had been and what was to come.


https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/d8abhf/bob_iger_on_george_lucass_involvement_in_the/

[Vegita-San]

you can understand that they wanted to create something that reminded people OF Star wars.

but what they forgot was that you needed new to go with it.

That is where the Phantom Menace succeeded.

New Races. New planets. new designs. yet, we also got tatooine.

[ZariusTwo]

Official release of a poster leaked some months back

https://i.imgur.com/nSG0VeH.jpg

[neatoman]

Official release of a poster leaked some months back

https://i.imgur.com/nSG0VeH.jpg

Red Clone Troopers?

[oldmanwinters]

Figured they'd put Leia on the poster.

[CyberCubed]

The knights of ren are there for all of 5 people who complained they weren’t in 8

[AT-Man]

Is the female Boba Fett really Rose, who saves Finn at some point, because it rhymes? Will the Knights of Ren do anything that matters? Will the alien person on the left be the actual funniest character in Star Wars history, after Jar Jar's massive failure?

A theory: maybe Luke was about to kill Ben, because he sensed Palpatine's spirit taking over him, but couldn't tell it was him. He only sensed immense darkness and acted before thinking. Someone probably thought of this already years ago, but I haven't heard of it.

[Andrew NDB]

Yay! A-Wings, X-Wings, and Y-Wings (and Y-Wings were considered OLD even in the OT)... 40 year-old starfighters. The New Republic really didn't make one new starfighter in 4 decades? Just those janky bombers we saw in Last Jedi?

And no R2 on the poster? #mistake

[CyberCubed]

Who is the new black woman and yellow alien on the poster? Didn’t Han have a black wife in the comics?

[AquaParade]

I'm just here for the awesome character designs.

[MikeandRaph87]

Who is the new black woman and yellow alien on the poster? Didn’t Han have a black wife in the comics?

No, Sana was just his partner in a scheme they were not married.

[Candy Kappa]

Is the female Boba Fett really Rose, who saves Finn at some point, because it rhymes? Will the Knights of Ren do anything that matters? Will the alien person on the left be the actual funniest character in Star Wars history, after Jar Jar's massive failure?

A theory: maybe Luke was about to kill Ben, because he sensed Palpatine's spirit taking over him, but couldn't tell it was him. He only sensed immense darkness and acted before thinking. Someone probably thought of this already years ago, but I haven't heard of it.

Female Boba Fett..? You referring to Zorii Bliss?

[Andrew NDB]

We already had Intentional Female Boba Fett for 2 movies: Captain Phasma.

[Candy Kappa]

We already had Intentional Female Boba Fett for 2 movies: Captain Phasma.

True. Both look badass, but did barely anything and was disposed off in a anticlimactic way.

[Andrew NDB]

Rose Tico being removed from merchandise:

https://www.themarysue.com/where-is-rose/

[Leo656]

From the article: "Even though Rose is a great character..." :lol::lol::lol:

She added nothing. Nothing! If anything she was one of the worst parts of that movie, and in a movie where literally everyone except Rey, Leia, and Laura Dern was a complete idiot, that's really saying something. In a film packed wall-to-wall with terrible characters, she was a standout. But not in a good way.

Purely from a merchandise perspective, I saw dozens and dozens of her action figures on Clearance for $5, for months. Stores couldn't give them away. Nobody cares about Rose.
You can't make people care just by saying you're racist if you don't care. That isn't how it works.

If they actually want the merchandise to sell, then keeping her off of it is in their best interests. She's poison. I'm sure the actress is a nice person in real life but that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation.

[Andrew NDB]

"How dare you say [insert name] is a terrible character that had no point even if you can quantifiably prove it, they are a POC!"

What a terrible time for film.

[Leo656]

As I've said elsewhere, I've given up entirely on the future of movies and TV. It's dead. I'm only looking backwards from now on. And that's fine. There's still hundreds of great films I have yet to see from decades past. I've got enough to keep me busy forever as it is.

There's so many great films that simply wouldn't exist if they'd been made under the current standards. Which is further reinforced by how many of them have since been re-made - terribly - to better fall in line with the modern-day "Rules".

It's all a bad joke. The only movie I'm currently looking forward to is "Kong Vs. Godzilla", since that one probably isn't going to even try to be more than what it is. Everything else is sh*t. And that one's not gonna be "high art", either, but at least it's not gonna try and be all finger-wagging and "political" like everything else from now on. And I can appreciate that.

[CyberCubed]

I didn’t like Rose simply because she was fat. Fat people are only good as comedy relief characters in movies and TV shows, not as plot centric characters

[Leo656]

Why just movies and TV? I don't see any reason why that logic shouldn't be applied in real life as well.

I mean it kind of already is, but I'm fine if someone wants to make it an actual Rule.

[MikeandRaph87]

I didn’t like Rose simply because she was fat. Fat people are only good as comedy relief characters in movies and TV shows, not as plot centric characters

I never paid attention to her stomach. She is the driving point of a part of a plot that went nowhere full of plot convinces, no Lando, and expanding the force to anyone. I thought of her as the face of poor plotting.

[Leo656]

"...The chubby face of poor plotting." :lol:

I knowwwww, I know. But if the world starts accepting tubby people, I'll be out of a job. I'm a huge fan of eating and paying my bills. Well, not so much that part, but apparently it's a rule.

Anyway, the point is, I have a vested interest in fat-shaming, and furthermore, I'm simply not a very nice person in general.

... She's actually not even that fat, but I'll take what I can get. And when your co-star is Laura Dern you're pretty much "The Husky One" by default. Seriously, is Laura Dern okay? She's been looking positively Anorexic, lately.

[Vegita-San]

You can't make people care just by saying you're racist if you don't care. That isn't how it works. [/I]

It is in certain forums of the internet.

All some people have to do the instant an opinion is mentioned that they don't like is heard....is mention the above and they think the problem is fixed.

as for this 'fat' nonsense.. wow.. you folks are real people persons..

[CyberCubed]

Fat characters only really work in comedic roles in films. Like when Jonah Hill was fat, everyone loved him not just because he’s a good actor but he was funny because he was fat. Or like Fat Albert. Or the fat guy in Jurassic Park 1 who gets shot black tar in his face and then is eaten in the Jeep and it was funny because he was so fat and he was being eaten by a dinosaur.

People like Homer Simpson because he’s fat and stupid. If Homer was thin his character would not have been such a hit.

So in this case having a chubby Rose in a major role in Star Wars where she wasn’t comedy relief, she just came across as a pointless or bad character. I only want to watch fat actors if they make me laugh. That is why they are there.

[Andrew NDB]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/hx2h9IlhlEx1e/source.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Well this is kind of cool... Wedge is back. The actor reconsidered.

http://epicstream.com/news/JudithAnneDelaCruz/Denis-Lawson-To-Reprise-His-Role-As-Wedge-Antilles-In-Rise-Of-Skywalker?fbclid=IwAR0oXvdkrrLX-RnKBWa_B867MV_eAHjE5BpTFQBIE6t9HhmugAqN8KCk9-M

[MikeandRaph87]

Fat characters only really work in comedic roles in films. Like when Jonah Hill was fat, everyone loved him not just because he’s a good actor but he was funny because he was fat. Or like Fat Albert. Or the fat guy in Jurassic Park 1 who gets shot black tar in his face and then is eaten in the Jeep and it was funny because he was so fat and he was being eaten by a dinosaur.

People like Homer Simpson because he’s fat and stupid. If Homer was thin his character would not have been such a hit.

So in this case having a chubby Rose in a major role in Star Wars where she wasn’t comedy relief, she just came across as a pointless or bad character. I only want to watch fat actors if they make me laugh. That is why they are there.

Well this is kind of cool... Wedge is back. The actor reconsidered.

http://epicstream.com/news/JudithAnneDelaCruz/Denis-Lawson-To-Reprise-His-Role-As-Wedge-Antilles-In-Rise-Of-Skywalker?fbclid=IwAR0oXvdkrrLX-RnKBWa_B867MV_eAHjE5BpTFQBIE6t9HhmugAqN8KCk9-M


Hope that the only one aside from Luke to survive each mission will not only be back so he can get blown up.

[Andrew NDB]

Hope that the only one aside from Luke to survive each mission will not only be back so he can get blown up.

It has to be something substantial since he was offered to reprise the part in TFA but turned it down.

[CyberCubed]

I imagine a rather small part, probably not much more than flying his X-Wing around in the finale similar to Episode 6, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they pair him with Lando again as another nostalgia bomb to the original trilogy.

[Andrew NDB]

I imagine a rather small part, probably not much more than flying his X-Wing around in the finale similar to Episode 6, hell I wouldn't be surprised if they pair him with Lando again as another nostalgia bomb to the original trilogy.

If I had to speculate, in TFA they probably wanted him to hop back in an X-Wing cockpit again so he said no. In this one they probably offered to have him be a General or something, with more to do/say than just making faces in a cockpit.

[sdp]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Xav]

If anything she was one of the worst parts of that movie, and in a movie where literally everyone except Rey, Leia, and Laura Dern was a complete idiot, that's really saying something.Laura Dern? You mean the same character who refused to tell her own crew her secret plan even under threat of mutiny and whose said plan ended up getting like 95% of the Rebellion killed. She wasn't a complete idiot?

[Leo656]

She definitely was, but the movie still tried really hard to frame her as a hero regardless. And at least she got to go out in a heroic (and nonsensical) blaze of glory.

Rose just showed up annoying, stayed annoying, and screwed the pooch at the very end. Remove her from the plot entirely, all that's different is the movie is about 8 minutes shorter.

Point taken, though. Laura Dern was indeed a total moron, but at least the movie tried to trick you into thinking otherwise.

And at least she pretty much won back all the goodwill with Twin Peaks, so there's that. :lol:

[Sumac]

Rose was annoying character whose sole purpose was to spread "woke" propaganda about "capitalism is bad" (never mind that she is a part of a multi-billion franchise, which is maintained solely to make as much money as possible).

Ultimately she had no point in this movie, though my biggest gripe with her is that she saved Finn from sacrificing himself, which robed him from only meaningful thing he could do in TLJ. And her following monologue about "love" was cringeworthy.

Admiral Holdo was an idiot for letting Poe do whatever he wanted to do after his actions which led to the death of the most of Rebellion.

Any normal general would had court marshaled son of a bitch right here, right now, tossing his worthless body into space. But nope, she kept him around.

To be honest, Leia and Holdo insistence on keeping Poe around made me think that they wanted piece of his ass, rather than any strategic importance. But that's maybe just me seeing ****, when there's none.

[Leo656]

No, no, I agree. That whole "I like him, too" bit made it seem like they were mooning over him.

Aside from that, I've said the exact same things you've stated above, many times. We're on the exact same wavelength, here, almost word-for-word.

God, I hate that movie. I actually don't "hate" too many movies, and I see a lot of them; I'm way more forgiving than most, I just don't have a problem pointing out flaws as I see them. But man, outside of the music and the cinematography, that movie's a goddamn pile. And I almost never come down on anything so harshly. But I hated that movie.

It's a very pretty piece of sh*t. But, as Richard Pryor infamously said about Superman III: "Hey, for a piece of sh*t, it smells great!" :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/Kz6wTZh/71865697-2458111067792822-5410728614712836096-n.jpg

[CyberCubed]

That looks like it's from one of those online porno parodies. Like Star WHORES.

[Xav]

What happened behind the scenes on the ST according to an alleged Lucasfilm Insider
JJ created a broad map for the ST, though he left a great deal of wiggle room for subsequent directors. Per Kathleen Kennedy and Kiri Hart, however, Rian Johnson was allowed to jettison all of JJ's outline and completely write his own script without regard to the original binding narrative. Trevorrow objected to this, as well as the removal of Luke Skywalker from his finale, and after many protests to stick with JJ's original script... he was canned. JJ was brought back in out of sheer panic as the firing of Trevorrow and Iger and Horn's first negative response to their views of TLJ came rather close to each other. Subsequent changes to JJ's reviesed Ep 9 script occured this past January and again in May after directives were given from the top to "fix" Luke Skywalker in Ep 9. This has resulted in reshoots all the way until September with post-production going until at least late October. This movie will be right down to the wire.

Rian Johnson wrote the script before the first viewings of TFA, which is part of the reason the films feel so disconnected. Palpatine was always intended to return, but with no reference to such a thing in TLJ, the script for 9 has been written to feel as a standalone. Unfortunately, my best intel on the movie is that it may be a cluster with so many late changes and JJ isn't a lot of fun to be around at the moment. Leia was always supposed to be the star of the ST, and certain lead individuals at Lucasfilm have had a palpable disdain for Luke. When Carrie passed away, they had no idea about what to do and so deference was given to Rian to make the call. He kept his script as-was, and here we are.https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/dfx752/what_happened_behind_the_scenes_on_the_st/

[sdp]

So from what we know, Lucas makes an idea for a ST, JJ takes the concept of Ep7 only and makes it into a trilogy rehashing the ideas of the OT in it to stretch it out, ignores the rest of Lucas' draft. Rian proceeds to do whatever he wants in TLJ doing absolutely nothing to form a story arc and anger fans. Trevorrow wants to do polish the turd, is fired for realizing the ST is a mess. JJ is brought in to polish the turd after they realize they did screw it up.

[Vegita-San]

it's amazing to me that they can get something relatively unknown like marvel done right, and mess up star wars so grandly.

[Andrew NDB]

So from what we know, Lucas makes an idea for a ST, JJ takes the concept of Ep7 only and makes it into a trilogy rehashing the ideas of the OT in it to stretch it out, ignores the rest of Lucas' draft. Rian proceeds to do whatever he wants in TLJ doing absolutely nothing to form a story arc and anger fans. Trevorrow wants to do polish the turd, is fired for realizing the ST is a mess. JJ is brought in to polish the turd after they realize they did screw it up.

It looks about right, though it's leaving out big things. Like Michael Arndt coming in first to write a script that was a relatively faithful take on George Lucas' outline for 7 before Disney had JJ and Kasdan write the script themselves, forcing them to retool it into more of an ANH remake. Some of Arndt's/Lucas' most basic material even survived into the JJ/Kasdan script (Luke in solitude on some planet, fresh-faced female lead), but not much.

[Leo656]

What a f*cking joke.

[Autbot_Benz]

nlnrOr2STaE

[Andrew NDB]

nlnrOr2STaE

Still not really showing us anything. It would be nice to know if Palpatine is corporeal, at least... otherwise it's hard to get too excited about him just being a disembodied voice.

[Leo656]

Still not really showing us anything. It would be nice to know if Palpatine is corporeal, at least... otherwise it's hard to get too excited about him just being a disembodied voice.

They probably don't even know yet, themselves. Aren't they still in last-minute re-shoots, and projected to be until, like, the day before the movie comes out? :lol:

F*ck Star Wars. These clowns at Disney could f*ck up a wet dream.

[sdp]

Final tráiler Is lackluster like all the sequel trilogy
But man did I get goosebumps when I heard the emperor , here's hoping they somehow salvage the "saga" after ****ing up episode 7/8

[IMJ]

Final tráiler Is lackluster like all the sequel trilogy
But man did I get goosebumps when I heard the emperor , here's hoping they somehow salvage the "saga" after ****ing up episode 7/8

3-PO was taking a moment to look at his old friends even though this is the first time they've all been together on a ship....

[Andrew NDB]

3-PO was taking a moment to look at his old friends even though this is the first time they've all been together on a ship....

Makes me angry. All this focus on BB-8 and now a new droid, yet 7 and 8 barely did a thing with 3PO or R2D2. Why did we even need new droids to begin with? They're supposed to be the through-line for all the movies.

The answer is toys, obviously. But f*** them for that.

[ZariusTwo]

3-PO was taking a moment to look at his old friends even though this is the first time they've all been together on a ship....

I actually got a response about that on another forum saying "it's not for the characters, it's for the audience who've been with him for nine of these"

[sdp]

No captain phasma, really hoped they'd try to redeem her. Shame.
Kylo/Rens relationship is somehow the strongest link they have going into the film from the previous, if they don't mess up Palpatine it could work maybe.

BB8 was great in ep7, lame in ep8, but yes r2d2/3p0 should've been the focus, they are what helped link all previous movies.

[CyberCubed]

Love that ice asteroid shot, that’s going to make some cool levels in an upcoming videogame for sure.

[frank_one]

After Ep7 and 8, I don't really care anymore. It is just official fanfiction.

[Vegita-San]

pretty much. bored with bad storytelling and no effort

[Andrew NDB]

Episode 7: "Guess what we're setting up for 8 and 9?!?!"

Episode 8: "Nothing. That's what we're setting up. In fact, nothing is the point."

Episode 9: "Come see our movie!!"

[ranger_scout]

All I can say is that looks like one epic finale.

[Vegita-San]

i'm rather shocked a majority of the YT Trailer comments seem to disagree with that.

most seem to be trashing it.

[AquaParade]

Episode 7: "Guess what we're setting up for 8 and 9?!?!"

Episode 8: "Nothing. That's what we're setting up."

Episode 9: "Come see our movie!!"

Ha! I have such a basic understanding of Star Wars, that I hardly feel fit to critique it, but I get this and it's pretty funny.

Sometimes I really appreciate Star Wars, because the worlds and sets are fun, but sometimes I just don't know. I can hardly sit through a Star Wars film without taking a break. The other day I was watching one and just felt numbed by all the superfluous shouting of commands and repeated explosions. And man, this sounds so 'edgelord' or gratuitous, but I'm not sure I can buy into these "wars" when there is never a drop of blood or hardly a limb lost. I'm not bloodthirsty, but I need to have my imagination supported a bit.

This isn't meant to bash on Star Wars. These are really lazy and also personal complaints. You could sum up a lot of movies I like and make them sound like drivel. But that said, it just wasn't working for me. And it's sort of rare for me that it ever does.

Sometimes I get kind of high on the dose though. I actually really enjoyed The Force Awakens upon first viewing, but now I'm not exactly sure why. Anyways, I've lost all semblance of a coherent statement, so I'll stop rambling.

[Leo656]

Hot Take: Aside from how they inarguably changed filmmaking forever, they've never actually been as good as their reputation.

The most devout fanatics were exposed to it as very young children. In my experience, anyone who first sees them at any age past 11 or 12 might like them a whole lot, but they're not in romantic love with them. It's like pro wrestling; it's only "Great" to you if you were very young when you saw it for the first time. If you get into it later on, you can definitely still enjoy it but you're a lot less likely to simply dismiss how stupid it often is.

I finally saw the original trilogy at around 13 or 14, although I did see bits and pieces on TV occasionally before then. And I've always had a strong appreciation for the series, but I can't say I've ever been a fanatic. I have quite a few problems with every single film, even Empire, the "Untouchable Golden Calf". They're all very flawed movies.

At this point in my life I don't even act surprised when a person says that they're underwhelmed by Star Wars. It's not for everyone, and frankly the ones who love it the most have some issues in general.

Collectively, they're Pretty Good overall but it's definitely a "whole being greater than the sum of its parts" situation.

[IMJ]

I actually got a response about that on another forum saying "it's not for the characters, it's for the audience who've been with him for nine of these"

Crazy people will argue anything in circles. This is a true statement - we even saw it here on the forums in another thread about the old animated series.

It's called circumplexic logic - crazy people make these pseudo-logical connections to simply justify anything they are arguing. Sure, they have a connected point, but it isn't cogent and the point typically brings you right back to where you started. Crazy people do it, and children do it. Immature people.

This is as opposed to logic being linear and contiguous, which takes you somewhere that makes sense instead of back to your initial ******** (not you, ZariusTwo, I'm talking instead about that ubiquitous "you").

And so, dumbass on the other forum who told you that 3-PO was looking at the audience, in a sudden and singular breaking of the fourth wall across the entire trilogy-trilogy is an example of basically saying anything that can connect the words even if the sum of the words is wildly out of reality. Even if this was an artistic callout from the film makers, it's a failed attempt because for it to work, it would still have to be a double entendre, which fails because 3-PO has essentially no connection to the new cast even after three movies that have gone nowhere story-wise.

Disney Star Wars is, unarguably a failed story-telling trilogy. No connections made across the three movies, no build-up of any relevant material, a sudden and meaningless return of Palpatine in the third movie even though there's no mention or whisper of "something coming" behind the scenes across this trilogy. No signals or story callbacks across this trilogy, bla bla, I could go on. The new Star Wars have some visual eyecandy moments, but they are completely failed stories meant for consumption by the bottom feeders of the millenial generation who won't challenge the material and simply chant "yay girl power!" or "we are better because nothing good existed before us".

All I can say is that looks like one epic finale.

Why? How? Because of some crashing waves? Seriously?

[Andrew NDB]

No connections made across the three movies

What about the payoff of Max Von Sydow's Lor San Tekka, or the brilliant arc of Captain Phasma? What, you don't think kids are going to be dressing up as Vice Admiral Holdo this year?

Eugh. Even the people that claim to like these movies, they just seem to be the sort of "fans" mostly excited to see if Finn is gay for Poe or whatever.

no build-up of any relevant material, a sudden and meaningless return of Palpatine in the third movie even though there's no mention or whisper of "something coming" behind the scenes across this trilogy.

The only way it could make sense is if he never really left and was "in the room" the whole time. i.e., he was Snoke, or inside Snoke.

[snake]

If hype could be measured in numerical value, I’m in the negatives.

[Sumac]

I am interested to see what kind of ******** they pull to make story work after TLJ.
But I don't hold my breath for TROS to become a "legendary" movie remembered by generations to come.

[Xav]

The only way it could make sense is if he never really left and was "in the room" the whole time. i.e., he was Snoke, or inside Snoke.That would also make Palpatine look like a total doofus in that he couldn't sense that another one of his apprentices was about to kill him.

[Andrew NDB]

That would also make Palpatine look like a total doofus in that he couldn't sense that another one of his apprentices was about to kill him.

Well, they could say that Palpatine-as-Snoke knew and WANTED Kylo to kill him there. Some necessary step on his evilution or whatever.

Just spitballing.

[Andrew NDB]

So there WAS a leaked image of Palpatine that was taken down from copyright notice:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/dlojfk/rey_facing_rejuvenated_palpatine/

[IMJ]

So there WAS a leaked image of Palpatine that was taken down from copyright notice:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/dlojfk/rey_facing_rejuvenated_palpatine/

https://i.imgur.com/Ir6HgbA.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

It's kind of like Disney heard my complaint and "leaked" this.

"No no, see? He's not just a voice!"

[Xav]

So Palpatine's back as an old man? Did he just not die in ROTJ? At this point did anything that happened in the OT actually matter?

[Voltron]

My guess:

They use some clone war tech to revive him. The sped up aging was there to get him back in the game ASAP, but it obviously carries him to old age faster along with dark side degradation. Snoke was a failed clone.

[Andrew NDB]

So Palpatine's back as an old man? Did he just not die in ROTJ? At this point did anything that happened in the OT actually matter?

Shesus, I don't know. The biggest damning thing people seem to forget about is the big explosion when he fell down the shaft... like, if he lived, what was the explosion about?

My guess:

They use some clone war tech to revive him. The sped up aging was there to get him back in the game ASAP, but it obviously carries him to old age faster along with dark side degradation. Snoke was a failed clone.

Snoke can't be a clone because he's physically taller than Palpatine. Also, he sounds like Andy Serkis. Though his scars seem about consistent with about what the damage someone might have taken from an explosion 30 years beforehand. Moreso, Snoke's body looks like it may have been on the receiving end of Palpatine's lightsaber (i.e., he is Plageuis). Meh. No idea there either. It may even be that Snoke is (the body of) Plagueis himself, kept alive and inhabited by Palpatine... until he pops into his fresh new body for the movie's end. I could see several hacky scenarios developing. Some of them I wouldn't mind. :)

Clue: let's not forget that John Williams made the same exact music when Anakin and Palpatine were talking in the opera about Plagueis as every time we see Snoke. At least in TFA. And JJ is doing IX so that may be back on the train tracks.

[sdp]

Darth maul survived before Disney so the comic book no one does had already creeped intp Star Wars canon even outside the EU pre sell out. Palpatine being a clone works and was done in the EU with Dark Empire.

Yes they are hastily band aiding the sequel trilogy into fitting in with the first six movies and it'll be full of holes, but isn't this the best they can do now? What else could they possibly do? At least they're trying as flawed as it may be

[Sumac]

More ripping off EU...

At this point I would like to see a sitcom, with Palps being senile funny grandpa trying to make Rey to accept position of the Galactic Empress, with Luke, Yoda and Obi Wan providing commentary as the ghosts.

[MikeandRaph87]

Apparently Leia will not make it out of the first act.
https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a29587531/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-final-trailer-kylo-ren-fall-comic-pit-theory/

[Andrew NDB]

I've read that

Leia dies of old age at some point in the movie. Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter and was hidden away from Palpatine. Palpatine has been alive (somehow? it's not really said) this whole time, building his new fleet far away from prying eyes. Rey and Kylo race to Endor's moon to try and find some kind of Sith dagger, but it's just a mcguffin. Threepio has to wipe his brain to be a Sith translator at a critical moment, thinking he's killing himself but he's not because R2 keeps a backup of his memories. Rey and Kylo team up against Palpatine but Palpatine kills Kylo. Force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin flank Rey and together they all vanquish Palpatine once and for all.

Basically is what I'm getting out of it.

[frank_one]

I've read that

Leia dies of old age at some point in the movie. Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter and was hidden away from Palpatine. Palpatine has been alive (somehow? it's not really said) this whole time, building his new fleet far away from prying eyes. Rey and Kylo race to Endor's moon to try and find some kind of Sith dagger, but it's just a mcguffin. Threepio has to wipe his brain to be a Sith translator at a critical moment, thinking he's killing himself but he's not because R2 keeps a backup of his memories. Rey and Kylo team up against Palpatine but Palpatine kills Kylo. Force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin flank Rey and together they all vanquish Palpatine once and for all.

Basically is what I'm getting out of it.
Not that bad after all. Maybe they can really save this trilogy. They would still need to explain who Snoke was and try to make Luke's actions in TLJ a little more coherent.

[Sumac]

Idea of force ghosts fighting Palps is directly taken from early draft of Return of the Jedi. It was canned, I think, after Lucas co-writers pointed out that it will look stupid.
Guess, JJ is not so lucky with his co-writers.

[Vegita-San]

Not that bad after all. Maybe they can really save this trilogy. They would still need to explain who Snoke was and try to make Luke's actions in TLJ a little more coherent.

Impossible. especially that last part.

Re reading 'legends'. Luke hesitated in killing a mindless mutant monster on coruscant 'a corridor ghoul' just to avoid needless killing, even of a monster.

that's the luke people wanted to see. not someone who tried to murder his nephew on a what if.

[Andrew NDB]

not someone who tried to murder his nephew on a what if.

Not to defend TLJ, but he wasn't trying to. He was just thinking about it, then thought better of it but too late... Kylo was awake and it looked bad.

[Xav]

Idea of force ghosts fighting Palps is directly taken from early draft of Return of the Jedi. It was canned, I think, after Lucas co-writers pointed out that it will look stupid.
Guess, JJ is not so lucky with his co-writers.That supposedly isn't in the film anymore after reshoots.but it’s supposedly indicated that the Jedi or generations past are with her in spirit. So now its just Rey willing the past generations and defeating Sheeve with Anakins and Leias lightsabers

[Andrew NDB]

No way they're cutting out all those Force ghosts. But I bet they make Kylo not die.

[Sumac]

That supposedly isn't in the film anymore after reshoots.but it’s supposedly indicated that the Jedi or generations past are with her in spirit. So now its just Rey willing the past generations and defeating Sheeve with Anakins and Leias lightsabers
We are The Last Airbender now? :lol:

According to some rumors there are about 6 potential endings for this movie, so who the **** knows how it ends up.

[IMJ]

It's so ridiculous that this is about the culmination of the Skywalker saga, but the majority of the story thesis is not about the Skywalkers. Whether you like the character or not, the story should've revolved around Kylo Ren more than anyone to carry that thesis.

[Vegita-San]

The trailer now has close to 80,000 dislikes in 4 days. that's a pretty amazing number considering Solo only got about 13 thousand in three years or so.

[JH24]

Watched the latest trailer. I don't know what it is but I just can't get excited for this. It just doesn't feel like Star Wars to me.

[sdp]

I don't know, I don't think Star Wars has ever had good trailers, the only Star Wars movie that had good trailers was Episode VII IMO.

The trailer now has close to 80,000 dislikes in 4 days. that's a pretty amazing number considering Solo only got about 13 thousand in three years or so.

I think that's more of a how little anyone cared to even check out the Solo trailer and dislike it than anything else. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no... this may be legit.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/10/31/new-alleged-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-leak-reveals-films-ending-and-the-fate-of-kylo-ren-and-rey/

Basically that "leaked" synopsis was true, except they reshot it so that while Kylo still falls and dies, Rey single-handedly duels and kills Palpatine, dual wielding both her lightsaber and Kylo's. No Force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Anakin, etc. to help.

[Sumac]

Might as well finish the series with boring Mary Sue being an ultimate boring Mary Sue.
'Tis not like it will damage brand even further.

Until Ryan Johnson trilogy, if it ever comes out.

[Leo656]

:lol: What a bunch of nonsense. Talk about going out with a wet fart.

Disney doesn't know what fans want from this series, and they're more interested in telling people what they're "supposed" to want than actually listening.

Luckily for them, people are easily distracted by a swelling soundtrack and lots of flashy colors, so this will most likely make about $2.8 billion despite getting overwhelmingly savaged online.

[Sumac]

Justice League had a nice box-office, but its critical reception send WB into panic mode, so arguably even if movie is profitable it doesn't make it "sure success" in the eyes of execs.

Of course, not everyone are as incompetent as WB, but giving the latest news about hierarchy of people in charge of Nu Wars, Disney took critical reception of TLJ to heart. Sadly it won't save TROS from being ****, most likely.

[Leo656]

I'm not sure that's accurate about JL, or at least, I'd need to see the sources on that. Most of the reviews I personally saw called it a "step in the right direction" and praised it for being Sunnier & Funnier, but did cite the bad CGI in many places, as well as the obvious patch-job editing, but I didn't see as much hate from critics as I did from general audiences, and even they were more "It's kind of alright" moreso than "It's awful". Review-wise, it did better than most of the other DC films, but they actually had the lowest box office by far, which actually meant they barely turned any profit at all since they essentially shot the movie twice. Any profit JL made came from action figures and Blu-rays; they actually took a bath at the box office. Everything I've read said that the "panic mode" came in when they spent $500 million and "only" pulled in $800 million, or whatever it was. Which makes sense, because if those numbers are correct, then they probably actually lost money on the actual film itself.

I mean, if I'm wrong on that, or you've read things that say differently, then that's what it is. And I don't disagree with your larger point, I just think there are much better examples which support it. There definitely have been profitable films that nonetheless stopped their series dead, absolutely. Spider-Man 3, for example, fits perfectly in that equation. That actually made a TON of money, but the tepid reaction overall made Sony pause and eventually reboot. So if I were to pick a movie that made money but still ended up sh*tting the bed, that's probably the one that I'd pick before any other. That movie actually turned huge profits, yet still killed the franchise as it was.

[Andrew NDB]

Justice League had a nice box-office, but its critical reception send WB into panic mode, so arguably even if movie is profitable it doesn't make it "sure success" in the eyes of execs.

Not true. I mean, it might have been true had they not "had" to reshoot 90% of the movie. It cost 300 million to make out of the box, plus reshoots (which again, appear to be 90% of the film quantifiably), plus marketing. At 229 stateside and another 400 overseas (both numbers of which are even less than Man of Steel, at way more cost)... that's not good. That movie was most definitely in the red.

[Leo656]

It did allegedly do alright on disc and digital, however. Lots of people who skipped it in theaters decided it would be worth watching at home. So that's... something. I never bothered to look up the numbers, though. I do know that it didn't sell anywhere close to what MoS and BvS did; they were in the Top 20 best-selling Blu-rays of all time for a couple of years but I never heard about JL cracking that list, although I honestly wasn't paying close attention at that point. I did see it do brisk sales at most of the local stores during the first two weeks, being sold-out at a lot of them for a few days, but then it tapered off. And even that's anecdotal. They probably did "okay" in the end but it was all in home media and action figures, Halloween costumes, etc.

Like I said, Spider-Man 3 would be an ideal example of a movie that made huge bank but was stalled by a generally mixed response. JL had a very mixed response as well but it didn't pull in the numbers to even things out. Spider-Man 3 was like, the highest-grossing Spider-Man movie until like, what, two years ago? Pretty good for being the one everyone hates now. :lol:

Anyway. People need to stop paying for f*cking Star Wars movies. Pretty sure we can all drink to that.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently Spider-Man 3, or rather Spider-Man 4 wasn't stalled at all by any response. They really wanted Spider-Man 4 from Raimi and quick but he said f*** off when push came to shove on deadlines mandated because he'd already been bitten on 3 with Sony shoving Venom and all down his throat with little time.

Now, had SM3 been a critical darling? Raimi would have had a bigger chair at the bargaining table. But it's like a paradox, because Sony execs were the ones forcing all of the stuff that made SM3 a non-critical darling.

[Leo656]

Fair enough.

I mean, Spider-Man 4 was going to be f*cking terrible, anyway, based on what we know of it, so it's all for the best. It's like how some people swear Schumacher's third Batman flick would have been good, with its 30-second Nicholson/Joker cameo and Courtney f*cking Love as Harley Quinn and (possibly) Marilyn Manson or Nic Cage as Scarecrow. :lol: Everything I've heard about Raimi's possible Spider-Man 4 was similar levels of sh*thouse.

Nobody's a "genius", there's just a bunch of hacks who occasionally get lucky. Pick too much at them, you find out they're all just kinda throwing sh*t at the wall. I remember when George Lucas was a "genius" rather than a pariah. It all depends on what day it is.

...Although I'd certainly put the "genius" label on ol' George before I'd go near that daffy Kathleen Kennedy dame with it, I'll give you that one for free. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Anthony Daniels says C3PO is like a table decoration in IX:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/04/c-3po-actor-anthony-daniels-describes-his-role-in-star-wars-sequels-as-a-table-decoration/

[sdp]

Lucas mentioned many times RD2/C3PO were the stars of Star Wars, it was their story, of course he also stated it was the story of Anakin after Episode III which makes no sense since the OT is not about Darth Vader but whatever. I also read another article with Bob Iger stating they won't be oversaturating Star Wars films again, which is odd since we already know of a bunch of movies coming out after IX and even more tv shows.

[Andrew NDB]

Mark Hamill tells a fan to wait for "Rise of Skywalker" to come to cable:

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/12/mark-hamill-tells-fan-to-wait-for-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-to-release-on-cable/

[sdp]

three different cuts? triple yikes, and ironically enough it seems Lucas is what is going to salvage the sequel trilogy.

[ZariusTwo]

Seven new photos

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[ZariusTwo]

New teaser

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1196842344961544198?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1196842344961544198&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsarama.com%2F47926-the-destiny-of-the-jedi-teased-in-latest-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-teaser.html

[Andrew NDB]

New teaser

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1196842344961544198?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1196842344961544198&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsarama.com%2F47926-the-destiny-of-the-jedi-teased-in-latest-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-teaser.html

Lame. Not one thing to get excited about.

[Andrew NDB]

Walkouts at screenings reported:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/bytN_FXVLXA/

[TigerClaw]

Walkouts at screenings reported:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/bytN_FXVLXA/
I wouldn't believe any of that stuff.

[Leo656]

That site definitely seems a bit... sensationalist. :lol:

But if the leaks are true - and there's no real reason to disbelieve them; at least most of it almost has to be true - then I can definitely believe that it's bad enough to make a good number of people pretty upset.

I still don't know if I wanna go. On one hand, I haven't skipped a numbered Star Wars movie ever since I saw Ep. I (I did skip Rogue One and Solo), so part of me just wants to go out of obligation. But TLJ was one of the very few times in my life where I walked out of a theater thoroughly enraged. It was a completely negative experience aside from how hot Daisy Ridley is, and I'm not sure I wanna get my blood pressure up like that again. I'm getting old.

Like, this one HAS to be better than the last one, but it still doesn't necessarily have to be any good, y'know?

[snake]

I hope it’s even more of a disaster than TLJ. God, I want this trilogy to burn.

Make the DisneyWars era end with a master thesis of what these films were. Cap off the trilogy with the most Nu-Wars-esque finale possible. The backlash needs to be palpable. Thankfully, Fallen Order and Mando are giving fans a taste of what Star Wars used to be, and should be. They’re coming at the perfect time, and will provide the sweetest contrast when people witness the sh*tshow in store for them in December.

I have a feeling that IX will be the official end of the Disney era, and what will follow will be something similar to what happened in 2008-2012 (the best time to be a fan, tbh). You can consider Mando and the Clone Wars revival to be the start of this.

[Andrew NDB]

It's strange they want to bill this as "the end of the Skywalker saga." Like, they're really not going to come back in 10 years for Episode X? Of course they will. But they feel like they have to push that angle in marketing because they know nobody cares anymore.

It's like when DC or Marvel cancels a comic that's not selling too well anymore with, "THE FINAL ADVENTURE OF SO-AND-SO!" when they know damn well they're coming back with a flashy new #1 in a year or so.

[frank_one]

It's strange they want to bill this as "the end of the Skywalker saga." Like, they're really not going to come back in 10 years for Episode X? Of course they will. But they feel like they have to push that angle in marketing because they know nobody cares anymore.I don't know. There'll be other Star Wars movies but not with these characters. The original cast is gone and the new cast, well, nobody has ever really cared about them. In ten years? People will care even less. I believe this is really the end of the Skywalker saga, unless they decide to recast Luke and Leia for a new trilogy set between Episode 6 and 7.

[AquaParade]

It's strange they want to bill this as "the end of the Skywalker saga." Like, they're really not going to come back in 10 years for Episode X? Of course they will. But they feel like they have to push that angle in marketing because they know nobody cares anymore.

It's like when DC or Marvel cancels a comic that's not selling too well anymore with, "THE FINAL ADVENTURE OF SO-AND-SO!" when they know damn well they're coming back with a flashy new #1 in a year or so.

The "Skywalker FAREWELL TOUR":P:P:P

[sdp]

I have my tickets ready for midnight.

It's not just marketing, it really is the end of an era, it's still the ST that lucas sort of planned even if changed completely. It has the actors of the previous movies in their final roles here.

Sure we'll get more star wars stuff and even referencing the "skywalker" era most of the time but it won't be another "episode", it won't be the same. I won't ever watch another star wars movie at midnight, this ends this year. An episode X might happen eventually? Sure, maybe 15+ years in the future with an older Rey or Kylo whatever, but it won't be the same.

I hope the movie is good, at the very least salvages some of the sequel trilogy, it has good ideas, i like kylo,rey,finn, bb8 for the most part, just not anything else. Excited to see Sheev Palatine.

Sadly I don't think Lucasfilm has learned anything after the last Kathleen interview where she states that Lucas is just not wanting to let go and that the sequel trilogy was bold and better than anything, whatever. Let's hope other star wars projects bomb so she gets fired. A shame, she did a great job in the past and was respected. But yeah IX will do tons of money at the box office, anything after that I think we'll continue to see diminishing returns like Solo proved.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I definitely expect it to make even more money than TLJ did, mostly because of the "End of An Era" gimmick and people's hope and nostalgia. But I also expect it to be a bad movie. Aren't they still in reshoots? When has THAT ever gone well at the 11th hour like this? Plus most of it is going to have to be devoted to retconning/explaining/apologizing for the last movie. That leaves, what... An HOUR to actually tell its own story and rush things to a conclusion? A conclusion that, supposedly, will tie ALL NINE movies in the main series together? Impossible. They cannot reach a satisfying conclusion using the last two movies as a springboard. The hole they dug themselves into is too deep.

It HAS to be better than the last one, though, and that's the absolute limit of my expectations. I don't think it will take 15 years before Episode X, maybe ten, but I do agree that most of the spin-offs will under-perform. But that's also why I think Ep. X will be sooner than later; once they run out of ideas, they won't have any other choice.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I definitely expect it to make even more money than TLJ did, mostly because of the "End of An Era" gimmick and people's hope and nostalgia. But I also expect it to be a bad movie. Aren't they still in reshoots? When has THAT ever gone well at the 11th hour like this? Plus most of it is going to have to be devoted to retconning/explaining/apologizing for the last movie. That leaves, what... An HOUR to actually tell its own story and rush things to a conclusion? A conclusion that, supposedly, will tie ALL NINE movies in the main series together? Impossible. They cannot reach a satisfying conclusion using the last two movies as a springboard. The whole they dug themselves into is too deep.

It HAS to be better than the last one, though, and that's the absolute limit of my expectations. I don't think it will take 15 years before Episode X, maybe ten, but I do agree that most of the spin-offs will under-perform. But that's also why I think Ep. X will be sooner than later; once they run out of ideas, they won't have any other choice.

Yep. Good movie or not, IX will still make a ton of money because people want to see the continuation and "conclusion" of the main numerical saga, even knowing going into it that it will probably suck. The random spinoff movies and inevitable "ancient Jedi" movies don't have that going for them. At a certain point making an Episode X will be the only thing they can do to spark interest, so they'll trot out a 40 year-old Daisy Ridley. Maybe they'll even have the good sense not to use the Empire again as the bad guys, but I doubt it.

[Leo656]

I will not at all be surprised if they wait a few years and then do either a film or movie series starring Carrie's daughter as Leia. Like an "Untold Tales" thing taking place before or in-between the movies we have now.

I mean, that's a no-brainer, right? She'd definitely do it, and the marks would eat it up. That just might be their next "Hail Mary" play, if the Obi-Wan show with Ewan either under-performs or runs its course.

To me, it would be stupid, but most people love that kinda schmaltzy sh*t. If I were a creatively-bankrupt billion-dollar corporation grasping at straws to keep my ailing franchise alive while most of everyone who made it popular is either in the ground or sipping Geritol, that's probably what I would do. But who knows?

I don't think enough people care about the new characters to feel a strong sense of nostalgia for them a few years from now, but I could be wrong. I don't *think* I am, but you might be right. I'unno.

[Andrew NDB]

I will not at all be surprised if they wait a few years and then do either a film or movie series starring Carrie's daughter as Leia. Like an "Untold Tales" thing taking place before or in-between the movies we have now.

I'd imagine you'll prove to be right in them wanting to utilize her in stuff. My bet would be something more in the lines of a future Disney+ series where suddenly her character from VII-IX learns she has Force potential, and has post-IX adventures.

I don't think enough people care about the new characters to feel a strong sense of nostalgia for them a few years from now, but I could be wrong. I don't *think* I am, but you might be right. I'unno.

They don't care about the new characters, but it wouldn't be a strong sense of nostalgia for them that would bring them in but simply for seeing "Episode X" anyway. Like, think comic books. I'm sure we've all collected comics where there is occasionally an odd story arc or one shot at #43 or whatever... but we buy it anyway because we've already collected the other 42 issues and we're invested. It's not same as if some weird special or one-shot drops with the same character (i.e., the solo movies)... you can skip that stuff unless you're like a completist, but you got to get #43.

[Xav]

New teaser

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1196842344961544198?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1196842344961544198&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsarama.com%2F47926-the-destiny-of-the-jedi-teased-in-latest-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-teaser.htmlThe fact that most of the responses to that teaser are "Reylo" definitely tells you what type of people like these movies.

[sdp]

The fact that most of the responses to that teaser are "Reylo" definitely tells you what type of people like these movies.
Ugh, shipper fandoms are the worst, also everyone knows it's all about #finnlo

[Shark_Blade]

What about finnpoe? Oh right, Disney are cowards.

They built it up in Force Awakens and suddenly they’re indifferent to each other in Last Jedi. Love that inconsistency.

Btw I ranked the movies:
https://i.imgur.com/2N0vyEK.jpg

Have yet to watch The Mandalorians but heard it’s very good.

[TigerClaw]

a Special Look on Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker

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[Vegita-San]

and from what I saw, not a single new movie shot.

this thing is, what, 3 weeks away?

[IMJ]

What about finnpoe? Oh right, Disney are cowards.

They built it up in Force Awakens and suddenly they’re indifferent to each other in Last Jedi. Love that inconsistency.

So the way that you interpret what you saw on screen is that Poe and Finn's fast friendship was actually indicative of a romantic relationship? I didn't get that out of it at all.

[Leo656]

So the way that you interpret what you saw on screen is that Poe and Finn's fast friendship was actually indicative of a romantic relationship? I didn't get that out of it at all.

People who are on a mission to read certain characters as "queer" will do so at any opportunity regardless of how strong the supposed "implied subtext" either is or isn't. "I want the character to be gay, therefore they are" is the general rule.

There was an article on Vox the other day - a long one - which was entirely about how Elsa from "Frozen" is definitely a lesbian, for the overwhelming reasons of, "The writer of the article really wants it to be true", and more importantly, "Well, where do they say that she's NOT?" Truly a mesmerizing exercise in a person seeing what they want to see and discarding any information that doesn't fit their own preferred narrative.

I mean, I get it, you hope for something, so "DISPROVE IT!" is what you lean on. But you also really get the feeling that even if these same characters were given heterosexual relationship partners, Those Fans would still kick and scream and go "Nuh uh! Totes gay!" just because it's what they want. And that's annoying.

If they are, they are, and that's fine, but until it's made "official" I swear people just project way too much into these things.

"Here's a jacket." "DUDE! I'm totally into you, let's bone!" I'unno. I don't buy it. I think there's several key steps missing from the story before anyone could project "They're in loooooove!" into it. That's just some people seeing what they want to see.

[Andrew NDB]

So the way that you interpret what you saw on screen is that Poe and Finn's fast friendship was actually indicative of a romantic relationship? I didn't get that out of it at all.

I definitely think Abrams threw that in TFA as something that Johnson could "pay off" as a romantic relationship in 8, or Trevorrow could in 9. But now that he has to be the guy to actually do it himself? He won't. And never would have. It was just a "well future filmmakers could do something" defense in case LGTBQ interviewers threw him weird questions during TFA.

[snake]

Imagine the kind of person you have to be to feel any sort of attachment to "characters" like Rey, Finn, or Poe.

[Leo656]

I'm attached to Rey in the sense that I would like to have a sex with her.

[CyberCubed]

Finn is cool. He just needs better screentime in the movies and hopefully he’ll get it this time. Poe as a support character is fine for what he is, I view him the same way I did Lando or Wedge in the old trilogy.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the 1st Clip.

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[Andrew NDB]

Here's the 1st Clip.

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Absolutely nothing new to see there.

Me: "Please, give me something new to care about!"

Disney: "Remember the skiff fight in Return of the Jedi?? What about the podracing in Phantom Menace?!"

[Xav]

Why are they acting like Rocket Troopers are new? They've been canon for awhile now. Poe even met them in his own comic book.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKPNlGQUcAQVGrW.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Why are they acting like Rocket Troopers are new? They've been canon for awhile now. Poe even met them in his own comic book.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKPNlGQUcAQVGrW.jpg

Nobody reads those.

[Jester]

Haha Haha comedy rule of 3s with the "They fly now..." bit....priceless


Kill me.

[snake]

30 seconds of distilled soullessness. Truly, they do fly now.

[Xav]

Nobody reads those.Well I would expect Lucasfilm to, seeing how they made a big deal about having a story group and how everything would be connected.

[ZariusTwo]

Apparently the final cut of the movie is shorter than The Last Jedi

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29961249/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-confirms-runtime/

[AquaParade]

I’m doing a casual re-watch of the series, leading up to this film. I started Episode 1 last night, for the first time in 20 (?) years, and I’m going to continue on up through the rest of the uh, Skywalker Saga films, while also including Rogue One and The Mandalorian (which is quickly becoming my favorite Star Wars story) at the appropriate points.

That’s my plan for now, unless anyone has suggestions for viewing orders or movies to skip or include.

So yeah, last night, Episode 1 was one of the best times I’ve had watching what I’d call a bad movie that I can remember. The acting is often stiff, the story dull, and it’s overall quite bizarre. It feels like a film heavily designed around set-pieces. You can say that for many blockbusters but it doesn’t at all sell the illusion here, and the cgi of course, is laughably dated.

That said, it was highly entertaining to put myself in the mindset of a viewer seeing this upon the release after all the hype. Imagining the mental gymnastics that die-hard fans must have put themselves through to justify this thing.
Obviously, a lot of hard work and talent went into this film, but what an incredible disaster it is.

[ZariusTwo]

In a way, I think Phantom Menace is probably the most 'iconic' of the prequels, the other two are kind of just movies, although I think in time Revenge of the Sith has become a choice highlight for fans based on it's memes.

Phantom Menace on the other hand has a-list talent like Liam Neeson and a top-of-his-game Ewan McGregor as a pre-high ground memelord Obi-Wan. Anakin isn't half as whiny as he is in episodes II and III, even as a kid. There's a lot of imagination put into the locations, and the set-pieces are all excellently directed.

It's not a great film, but it's the one that feels the most like a blockbuster

[Andrew NDB]

In a way, I think Phantom Menace is probably the most 'iconic' of the prequels, the other two are kind of just movies, although I think in time Revenge of the Sith has become a choice highlight for fans based on it's memes.

Phantom Menace on the other hand has a-list talent like Liam Neeson and a top-of-his-game Ewan McGregor as a pre-high ground memelord Obi-Wan. Anakin isn't half as whiny as he is in episodes II and III, even as a kid. There's a lot of imagination put into the locations, and the set-pieces are all excellently directed.

It's not a great film, but it's the one that feels the most like a blockbuster

Phantom Menace is also the most "satisfying" one in the trilogy. Also the only one shot on film... the other two were shot digitally and only at 720p!

[neatoman]

Apparently the final cut of the movie is shorter than The Last Jedi

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a29961249/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-confirms-runtime/

The Last Jedi is 152 minutes, this will be 141 and it was originally 155. The traditional runtime for a movie is 90 minutes.

A lot could have happened in the 14 cut minutes but it's not like Rise of Skywalker will be a short movie, or even that much shorter than Last Jedi.

[AquaParade]

I never care about runtime. It's all about execution.

Until I find myself two hours deep into a movie that is blowing my mind and mentally adding up the minutes that have gone by, in hopes of being satiated with at least another hour of the greatness being projected upon the wall in front of me.

[oldmanwinters]

In a way, I think Phantom Menace is probably the most 'iconic' of the prequels, the other two are kind of just movies, although I think in time Revenge of the Sith has become a choice highlight for fans based on it's memes.

Phantom Menace on the other hand has a-list talent like Liam Neeson and a top-of-his-game Ewan McGregor as a pre-high ground memelord Obi-Wan. Anakin isn't half as whiny as he is in episodes II and III, even as a kid. There's a lot of imagination put into the locations, and the set-pieces are all excellently directed.

It's not a great film, but it's the one that feels the most like a blockbuster

Phantom Menace is also the most "satisfying" one in the trilogy. Also the only one shot on film... the other two were shot digitally and only at 720p!

I concur. Always liked the film and ate up a ton of the merchandise tie-ins.

[CyberCubed]

Just watched that clip, man, "Marvel humor" does not translate well to Star Wars at all. "They fly now?" repeated 3 different times is something you'd see in Avengers or Thor or Guaradians of the Galaxy. Yeesh.

[ZariusTwo]

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[sdp]

so apparently the new (ridiculous) EU has been setting up the emperor returning for a while, i read the synopsis over what they've been doing the last few years and while mostly just ambiguous stuff from Rebels, the comics and the new game sort of give an explanation of the Emperor returning. At least that's something.

Still excited, end of an era. Star Wars pretty much dies after this movie, everything that comes after will just be Expanded Universe that you can enjoy as much as a comic/book/video game story, just fan service. Even if the sequel trilogy sucked so far, at least it had some roots into it being Star Wars.

[TigerClaw]

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[frank_one]

Still excited, end of an era. Star Wars pretty much dies after this movie, everything that comes after will just be Expanded Universe that you can enjoy as much as a comic/book/video game story, just fan service.I've been considering every new Disney's Star wars content as Expanded Universe this whole time. Ep 7 and 8 are not really "official" for me.

[Andrew NDB]

Just watched that clip, man, "Marvel humor" does not translate well to Star Wars at all. "They fly now?" repeated 3 different times is something you'd see in Avengers or Thor or Guaradians of the Galaxy. Yeesh.

Sadly, I agree. It doesn't seem that divorced from the "your mama" kind of humor from TLJ. Very puzzling from a marketing standpoint with this movie.

[ZariusTwo]

I've been considering every new Disney's Star wars content as Expanded Universe this whole time. Ep 7 and 8 are not really "official" for me.

Zhan's novels and the Dark Empire stories are the only sequels I care about

Oh, and New Jedi Order can get f*cked as well.

[Vegita-San]

I can't help but wonder if NJO was the start of the 'wahmen' story group taking over.

an all powerful female villain that made no sense. and luke and ben becoming wandering hermits...hmm..

[sdp]

They're half assing the sequel trilogy with the emperor, yes it's weak storytelling but hey I'll take it. I have my own problems with the prequels as well, sure the sequel trilogy went beyond in messing up star wars but whatever.

As far as old EU, it had great ideas but also horrible ideas and they were all canon, they had a chance to make some new good canon taking the best of the past but if you've seen some of the things they've made it's as ridiculous as the previous EU but it lacks any outstanding stories so overall it was just a downgrade.

I like seeing the praise of Episode 1, love that movie, I was a kid when I watched it but I think it holds up, pretty well despite it's flaws.

I can't help but wonder if NJO was the start of the 'wahmen' story group taking over.

an all powerful female villain that made no sense. and luke and ben becoming wandering hermits...hmm..

This is as ridiculous as saying not liking TLJ because you're sexist.

[Allio]

Star Wars Kabuki

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Wish we had a translation. It's pretty fun.

[sdp]

Apparently JJ's favorite prequel scene is the one about Darth Plagueis, so I think that pretty much confirms that Palpatine found the secret to not die from there which explains his return and also created life in this case Anakin/ which was already speculated for many years now, essentially the skywalker lineage. If Rey is a skywalker it'd really be for the best since it helps tie the "skywalker" saga, if they pull a Kylo is the skywalker it won't be as good. It all depends if they want to go for the "twist" of Rey not being a skywalker.


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Imagine if each episode had had 3 years in between them like the OT and PT before it, it would really feel like an end of an era, but as it is Ep8 only came out 2 years ago and even worse Solo just a year and a half ago. I'm still excited, can't believe palps is the one who'll salvage the sequel trilogy into it fitting somehow after those two stinkers they released.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently JJ's favorite prequel scene is the one about Darth Plagueis, so I think that pretty much confirms that Palpatine found the secret to not die from there which explains his return and also created life in this case Anakin/ which was already speculated for many years now, essentially the skywalker lineage. If Rey is a skywalker it'd really be for the best since it helps tie the "skywalker" saga, if they pull a Kylo is the skywalker it won't be as good. It all depends if they want to go for the "twist" of Rey not being a skywalker.

It's no secret that JJ had John Williams score Snoke's scenes in TFA virtually identically to that very scene in Episode 3 about Darth Plagueis.

[Andrew NDB]

"Billy Dee Williams praised for using gender-fluid pronouns":

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/02/entertainment/billy-dee-gender-fluid-trnd/index.html

[Vegita-San]

'if it annoys you that much, avoid looking at that stuff' in 3, 2, 1, ;o)

[Sumac]

"Billy Dee Williams praised for using gender-fluid pronouns"
There are a lot of things I can say about this, but I just go with *facepalm*.

I kind of surprised that the old guy decided to buy into this "genderliquid" crap. Did he become completely senile or just decided to reinvigorate his popularity, like those actors who came out as gay, when they stopped being popular?

[Vegita-San]

oops...cue shills for saying ' they where obviously joking!'

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[Andrew NDB]

Daisy Ridley: "I have an issue with the word 'tomboy.' You're saying a little girl is like a boy because she's active."

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/daisy-ridley-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-interview

[Vegita-San]

no, where saying that because she doesn't dress like a glamour queen that belongs on the runway.

some guys like the simplified tomboy look. means your low maintenance.

[CyberCubed]

Daisy Ridley's real life hair style makes her look like 10 years older than "Rey" in the movie. Seriously, she looks middle age in that video above.

In the movie she could still pass for 19-20 or so.

[Sumac]

Daisy Ridley: "I have an issue with the word 'tomboy.' You're saying a little girl is like a boy because she's active."
I have issue with people who nitpick everything.

[sdp]

I keep reading reports about how Ep IX sucks from the people who watched it and whatever but I'm skeptical, it seems some people just want Ep IX to suck because the first two sucked. Now I completely agree but I actually want Ep IX to be decent and somehow redeem even of barely the sequel trilogy.

I just hate seeing all these youtube videos about how much ep ix sucks without actually knowing anything about it, I wish people were more open minded to the movie and try to see it without bias, I can already tell no matter what Ep IX is most of the people writing or making videos about how it'll suck will say it suck.

[IMJ]

I keep reading reports about how Ep IX sucks from the people who watched it and whatever but I'm skeptical, it seems some people just want Ep IX to suck because the first two sucked. Now I completely agree but I actually want Ep IX to be decent and somehow redeem even of barely the sequel trilogy.

I just hate seeing all these youtube videos about how much ep ix sucks without actually knowing anything about it, I wish people were more open minded to the movie and try to see it without bias, I can already tell no matter what Ep IX is most of the people writing or making videos about how it'll suck will say it suck.

I agree with much of what you've said here. But also there's the lingering "fool me once, it's your fault, fool me twice it's mine" thoughts regarding the content of TLJ. I mean that movie literally told old fans to go away. And what's more is that everyone went in blind and rewarded Disney for it financially.

So for me, it's less about hanging in there as a fan and more about we need our piece of skin back from Disney first and then we can talk about what they can do to redeem Star Wars.

[snake]

Well, from the extremely reputable leaks that are out there- it does, in fact, suck.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, from the extremely reputable leaks that are out there- it does, in fact, suck.

I wish this wasn't true, but it is.

Still, I wonder... it's one thing to read those leaks and poo poo them. It's another to be in the theater watching it unfold with a full, original John Williams score.

[newfan]

I'm not racing out to see this before Christmas, I will just read everyone's spoilers first. Bringing back Palpatine has at least salvaged some interest for me both for the storyline and seeing a familiar face, seen as this is the end of the saga, and few original characters are left.

[Vegita-San]

I have never wanted a movie to fail so completely since Feigbusters.

Disney deserves it on every level for failing every step of the way.

[IMJ]

Talk about wanting a movie to fail, has anyone else notice that all of the leftist shill websites are claiming Knive's Out is an unmitigated success? Sure, it made more money this weekend than I'd have hoped for, but it made 72 million over the weekend on a 40 mil budget and that's before marketing and advertising costs, etc.

But you'll have Forbes resident idiot Scott Mendelson screaming it's a success, but if it wasn't a movie from the liberal-farm he'd be explaining how people rejected the film at the same expense to box office ratio.

[Andrew NDB]

Talk about wanting a movie to fail, has anyone else notice that all of the leftist shill websites are claiming Knive's Out is an unmitigated success? Sure, it made more money this weekend than I'd have hoped for, but it made 72 million over the weekend on a 40 mil budget and that's before marketing and advertising costs, etc.

Still, it made more money than anyone was expecting its first weekend. Sadly. Undeservedly. I tend to think it was the deceptive marketing... if they'd marketed it honestly, I think people would have stayed far away. It should flatline this coming weekend, though.

Trump stuff aside, I would have thought the "From the director of Star Wars: The Last Jedi" would have been enough. Are there really people out there that want to give their hand-earned money to this guy, probably improving his chances of being gifted a whole new Star Wars trilogy?

[Sumac]

Knives Out has a strong cast going on, so maybe people went for the actors.
RJ's behavior, however, would make me question my enjoyment of his projects. Usually I have no trouble to separate art and the artist, but RJ acts like a little kid, who is trying to own people who were ******** on him somewhere in the Internet. And all of that because he made a questionable choices for his movie.

He is not Alex Proyas mad right now, but I feel one more push and he might go on a crazy rant about EviL InTerNeT TRollS.

[ZariusTwo]

For those wondering about Finn and Rose

The Resistance Reborn tie-in reveals they broke up but remain friends

[Andrew NDB]

RJ's behavior, however, would make me question my enjoyment of his projects. Usually I have no trouble to separate art and the artist

I don't either. Though when it's a guy that used art -- an actual numerical Star Wars movie, in this case -- as a weaponized thing loaded with an agenda... that's not cool. And that he literally follows up that movie with this movie, which is a big direct anti-Trump statement and admits he made it in reaction to fan reaction to TLJ (https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/11/03/how-last-jedi-outrage-inspired-rian-johnsons-knives-out-star-wars-twitter-rey-kylo)... c'mon, you've more than used up any leftover good faith from "Looper," buddy.

For those wondering about Finn and Rose

The Resistance Reborn tie-in reveals they broke up but remain friends

Kind of seems like Rose has a pretty small part in the movie. Like, JJ just left her in because of obligation.

[IMJ]

I would say that it scraped by it's budget in ticket sales probably largely due to a concentrated (unorganized) effort by leftist viewers to support it, and then bolstered a bit probably by an older crowd who have no awareness of the whole thing at hand other than "new movie".

But I agree about the drop off. And if that happens, that's even more proof that there was a conscious audience divide of those who purposefully went to see it, and those who purposefully did not.

[Leo656]

It ultimately doesn't matter, though, it's a no-win situation.

If Ep. IX makes lots of money, we'll spend the next couple of years reading about how "progressive" ideas and ignoring the older fans in favor of courting new ones managed to "save" Star Wars. If it doesn't make a ton of money, we'll hear over and over again about "toxic masculinity and spoiled, entitled fanboys killed Star Wars because they're afraid of women."

Disney holds the pen, they own a lot of the relevant media. No matter what happens, they'll create the narrative they want to run with and cram it down everyone's throat. There's really no upside to it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It ultimately doesn't matter, though, it's a no-win situation.

If Ep. IX makes lots of money, we'll spend the next couple of years reading about how "progressive" ideas and ignoring the older fans in favor of courting new ones managed to "save" Star Wars. If it doesn't make a ton of money, we'll hear over and over again about "toxic masculinity and spoiled, entitled fanboys killed Star Wars because they're afraid of women."

Disney holds the pen, they own a lot of the relevant media. No matter what happens, they'll create the narrative they want to run with and cram it down everyone's throat. There's really no upside to it.

This right here. That's exactly what'll happen, either way.

Ya don't fvck with the Mouse House.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't expect to see a lot of agenda in IX. JJ has never really been about that stuff in any movie of his I've seen. He's a movie guy, even if he's like the poor man's hacky version of Spielberg.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't expect to see a lot of agenda in IX. JJ has never really been about that stuff in any movie of his I've seen. He's a movie guy, even if he's like the poor man's hacky version of Spielberg.

Agreed, but he's also stuck wrapping up a lot of stuff. He can't undo the way Luke went out in Episode 8, and he's got to make do with whatever Carrie footage he has.

Like I've said before, you know your franchise is fvcked up when Remix Abrams is your lesser of two evils.

[ZariusTwo]

Wayfinder dagger spotted in this tv spot

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[Andrew NDB]

Apparently John Boyega believes he is superior to guys like Ewan MacGregor.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-john-boyega-finn-disney-plus-the-mandalorian-watch-a9234301.html

When asked if he'd do more:

"You ain't gonna Disney+ me!" "I'll stay in the feature films."

[AquaParade]

Apparently John Boyega believes he is superior to guys like Ewan MacGregor.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-john-boyega-finn-disney-plus-the-mandalorian-watch-a9234301.html

When asked if he'd do more:

"You ain't gonna Disney+ me!" "I'll stay in the feature films."

I think that's sort of a pointed assumption to make. I mean, maybe you're joking Idk. But that said, I sort of got a similar vibe from Chadwick Boseman when he was asked if he'd do a Disney+ series. Sort of seemed "above it", but I can't say for sure.

Honestly, I have to wonder if you'd be saying that if you even wanted to continue working with Disney. Surely they wouldn't want a big star of theirs out there making statements that make Disney+ look "less than". I've heard working with Disney is pretty damn pleasant though, so I'm really just guessing.

[oldmanwinters]

I don't expect to see a lot of agenda in IX. JJ has never really been about that stuff in any movie of his I've seen. He's a movie guy, even if he's like the poor man's hacky version of Spielberg.

*sniff*sniff*sniff*
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/j-j-abrams-hints-lgbtq-184847278.html

Apparently John Boyega believes he is superior to guys like Ewan MacGregor.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-john-boyega-finn-disney-plus-the-mandalorian-watch-a9234301.html

When asked if he'd do more:

"You ain't gonna Disney+ me!" "I'll stay in the feature films."

What a doofus.

[Vegita-San]

JJ is as woke as the rest of the hollywood idiots...

[Andrew NDB]

JJ is as woke as the rest of the hollywood idiots...

I've never really seen any evidence to that end. I mean, there's this:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/j-j-abrams-the-rise-of-skywalker-will-have-lgbtq-representation

But I'm guessing that will just amount to something small.

[Xav]

There's also this.
Let’s Talk About JJ Abrams’ Racially Diverse Cast for Star Wars 7 (https://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-7-racially-diverse/)
This
Star Wars: The Force Awakens Almost Had an All-White Cast (https://movieweb.com/star-wars-force-awakens-all-white-cast/)
And this
J.J. Abrams: ‘Star Wars’ Fans Who Didn’t Like ‘Last Jedi’ Are ‘Threatened’ By Women Characters (https://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/jj-abrams-star-wars-last-jedi-women-1201929593/)

[Leo656]

I'm sorry but was there ever any doubt that Abrams was essentially a functional idiot? I've known that since like 2003 or whenever I read his Superman script. I'd never seen any of his work before that, but as I read more and more and saw how blatantly he was ripping off stuff like The Matrix, Lord of the Rings, and X-Files of all things - and not actually taking a lot from, y'know, Superman - all I could think of was, "What a hack". And when confronted about it, all he ever said in his own defense was, "I had to rush the script." Nothing about, y'know, "Every single idea was terrible" or anything, just, "Yeah, I had to rush it." Based on that I could never fully trust him.

I've since seen a few things from him that I quite like, and some that I don't care for, but "spotty" is the best description I could give. Some of his stuff has exceeded my expectations, but whenever I hear that he's on a project I'm like, "Really? That's the best they could do?" I'unno.

Like he's not terrible but I don't think he's much of a "visionary". He mostly recycles older ideas and his original ideas are sh*t like, "Lex Luthor, X-Files Agent who's secretly an assassin from Krypton sent to kill Superman". And he genuinely doesn't understand why it's a terrible idea, that's the problem.

[AquaParade]

Ha, John Boyega really sounds over the whole situation. Keeps saying he doesn't want to be "Disney plus'd" and now that he is "ready for life after Star Wars. That's when the check clears."

Fair enough. Just doesn't sound like the most positive attitude towards the experience, given he is on the big press tour, meant to make this thing look as great as possible. Guy is clearly over it.

[Vegita-San]

when you don't have anything to be proud of, or enjoyed the experience....
why bother building it up if it's the last?

[CyberCubed]

Aside from Adam Driver, most of them don't have big careers outside Star Wars. I mean John has been in some good movies like Detroit and a few others, and Oscar Isaac has some stuff down the line, but eh. Has Daisy Ridley been in anything besides bombs?

Feels similar to how Mark and Carrie kinda fell out of live-action movies almost immediately after Star Wars ended whereas Harrison Ford remained an A-list actor for the next 20+ years.

[IMJ]

Oscar Isaac has made some terrific flicks - Annihilation, Ex Machina. And he stays in work at least. Does a lot of dramatic roles.

Daisy Ridley was in Murder On The Orient Express which was not only a terrific flick, but made a ton of money. Although she had an ensemble cast, for her part she was fine in it.

John Boyega has had a few other flicks, but I don't think he's had a hit. They tried with Pacific Rim, but....

I think Isaac will keep working and doing his thing, Ridley could have a career if she reinvents herself, otherwise she might gravitate more towards that sort of BBC, European star thing, and Boyega is likeable enough on screen that it'd be cool if he remained relevant although I don't see him carrying a franchise of any kind.

[Sumac]

Billy Dee Williams is not as mad as previously suspected.
Apparently "woke" blogs took some of his words out of context and called him "genderfluid", while BDW himself has said that he is nothing like that.
SJWs owned.

[Andrew NDB]

Daisy Ridley, "if you have no problems with Trump, you're insane":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/star-wars-daisy-ridley-every-sane-person-trump

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Daisy Ridley, "if you have no problems with Trump, you're insane":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/star-wars-daisy-ridley-every-sane-person-trump

"If you're in Hollywood and don't complain about Trump, you're leaving money on the table."

How's that for a quote, Daisy?

[Vegita-San]

Daisy Ridley, "if you have no problems with Trump, you're insane":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/star-wars-daisy-ridley-every-sane-person-trump

My Guess?

she's obeying her hollywood masters to make up for her 'privilege' gaf earlier...
alot of these people probably don't even care about trump, especially the UK types.

[AquaParade]

This is the weirdest press tour ever. It just feels very abrasive and negative.

It's hard to tell how much of that is the media just picking out clickbait and how much of it is actually radiating from the actors themselves, especially given all the controversy surrounding the franchise lately, but it sure doesn't make me feel excited to see the film.

I don't say this because of the Trump comment - many people feel that way, but just in general.

[IMJ]

This is the weirdest press tour ever. It just feels very abrasive and negative.

It's hard to tell how much of that is the media just picking out clickbait and how much of it is actually radiating from the actors themselves, especially given all the controversy surrounding the franchise lately, but it sure doesn't make me feel excited to see the film.

I don't say this because of the Trump comment - many people feel that way, but just in general.

I'm actually beginning to get the feeling that the actors know that the franchise has been mishandled and in combination with the socially charged direction of interviews and other nonsense is growing weary on them.

I'm beginning to sense that the three of them probably got together as a group, decided to stick together and said "this is how we will collectively get through this whole thing".

[Sumac]

Daisy Ridley, "if you have no problems with Trump, you're insane"
She is not only mediocre actress she is also an idiot.
Who would've guess. :cry:

[snake]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2019 %2F02%2Fepisode-ix.jpg%3Fcrop%3D678px%252C148px%252C1653px%252C165 3px%26resize%3D1200%252C1200&f=1&nofb=1
Group therapy

[Leo656]

Daisy Ridley, "if you have no problems with Trump, you're insane":

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/star-wars-daisy-ridley-every-sane-person-trump

Just think, we've got four more years of this caterwauling ahead of us. Blech.

[IMJ]

Just think, we've got four more years of this caterwauling ahead of us. Blech.

HAHAHAHHHA! I know what you did there.....

[Leo656]

Stated a measurable fact? ;)

Seriously, it's in the bag and I'll just leave it at that before the thread gets locked.:tcool:

[CyberCubed]

Read the spoiler summaries of the climax of the movie.

:o

All I can say is this sounds like the worst fanfiction imaginable. And I had high hopes.

[IMJ]

Stated a measurable fact? ;)

Seriously, it's in the bag and I'll just leave it at that before the thread gets locked.:tcool:

Cancel culture. The leftist answer to loss.

[Andrew NDB]

So now I'm hearing on fairly good authority...

That Kylo sacrifices his "life essence" to bring back a dead Rey.

[Leo656]

Read the spoiler summaries of the climax of the movie.

:o

All I can say is this sounds like the worst fanfiction imaginable. And I had high hopes.

Link me bruh. I love Spoilers and I kinda want this movie to suck! :lol:

[Vegita-San]

Cancel culture. The leftist answer to loss.

How's that impeachment going? ;o)


I kind of feel like the younger stars, like Daisy, just don't care. and either are having words put in their mouth by disney in these 'articles' (did we even see them get interviewed, or is it just text?), or are covering all their bases to survive in this version of hollywood. ugh.

[Leo656]

I think it was Anthony Hopkins who recently said in an interview, something to the effect of, "Nobody should ever ask an actor or a celebrity about politics or world events. We're all rather stupid and we live in a bubble." I'm paraphrasing, but it was 99% that, and God Bless Him for it, too.

[sdp]

There's interviews of Boyega criticizing fin's arc in the 3 movies.

There's an interview where Daisy Ridley wasn't woke enough in an answer and was being criticized by progressives. Eating their own as usual.

The Trump comment of Ridley is not necessary here in this thread or in general when discussing Star Wars though, meh I completely agree with her and think it's ridiculous people even rage about that.

Too close for the movie to come out so I'll be avoiding spoilers, but will post them here after the midnight premier. I think I won't be watching all 8 movies to prepare for it, not even 7 and 8. Still excited, still the end of an era. I'm just going in with expectations that it'll be a half assed attempt at closing the trilogy and the 9 movies somehow but at least an attempt.

[Vegita-San]

Episode THREE felt like an end of an era. complete with the opening remix of the skywalker theme, with drum bass and all.

THIS feels like bad fan fiction done by the writers of twilight.

no emotional impact at all.

[sdp]

Episode III was horrible that ruined plenty of things that made Star Wars great, easily the worst of the prequels. It has its moments but after watching III my love of Star Wars died for a long while.

It's the end of an era because the original actors are pretty much done, anything star wars after this will feel like fan fiction. Even if these movies were bad at least they were continuing the story with some credibility (started by Lucas, original actors, originally meant to be 9 movies etc).

The difference between the prequels and the sequels is the prequels at least tried something new, this just badly rehashed the originals and went nowhere. Still hoping this movie does something good.

can't wait to see my meltdown after watching it :lol:

[Leo656]

Aside from "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "Lost the will to live", I can't find much wrong with Ep. III. It's the only Prequel that even superficially resembles a movie instead of a toy commercial. And I generally enjoy I and II more than most people, they're just kinda obviously Not Too Good for lots of reasons.

That said, with the originals all over cable lately, I can safely say that once you hit a certain age and have seen them all enough times... Star Wars was never actually amazing, not even the originals, outside of the fact that they literally reinvented how movies are made. And they deserve all the credit in the world for that. But as actual "movies", the plots and characters and especially the dialogue... Oof.

Fanboys raged when Lucas said something like, "It's just a fairy-tale for young children", but... That's exactly what it is. A lot of people projected a lot of nuance and texture and meaning into it over many years, mostly to justify their own semi-irrational obsession with it once they were past the "appropriate" age for it, but the truth is, it's a confection, always was.

20-year old me would be extremely pissed off at someone pointing that out, but it's all pretty easy to see now.

[IMJ]

Aside from "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" and "Lost the will to live", I can't find much wrong with Ep. III.

In a perfect world, Episode I wouldn't have existed, Episode II and III would've shifted down and Rogue One would've been Episode III with some more Vader and Kenobi thrown in for good measure.

[Leo656]

Eh, maybe.

I feel like making Ep. I take place so early in Anakin's life was kind of important to reinforce the narrative that even the most pure and innocent people could be seduced by "The Dark Side" and that it's all really just a matter of circumstance. If we meet him later on in life, some of that would be diluted. Like of course he'd be surly and angsty if we first meet him as a teenager, he's a teenager. Going from Angry Teen to Sith Lord isn't much of a character arc; it's barely even a hop. I know that what people wanted more than anything was a whole movie focused JUST on Darth Vader, in costume, hunting the Jedi to extinction, but while that may have been fun it also seems a bit like overkill in the grand scheme of things.

I think the story the Prequels told was essentially fine, I just think the terrible acting (especially from the actors who played the Main Character, Anakin) turned people off. The entire story of his Rise and Fall across three movies was completely fine by me as-written; I just think the performance robbed the script of any gravitas.

I wouldn't honestly have changed much. I'm convinced that in a vault somewhere, there's alternate cuts of every single scene where the acting and delivery is NOT terrible, and if those takes were spliced in the movies would be just fine. The biggest problem with all of them is that Lucas has a terrible ear for dialogue and was openly disinterested in any scene that wasn't all CGI. I think the stories themselves are fine, however.

[Andrew NDB]

It seems like a copout answer, but there's good reason to believe the "shoddy acting" and even a lot of the... somewhat strange dialogue choices were at least somewhat intentional. George has gone on about how the prequels were supposed to be like 50s pulpy things and that's exactly how those were. I'd still take any of the prequels over the new ones, even Rogue One and Solo.

Pretty stupid they're so embarrassed by the prequels (but not their own shenanigans) that we can't even see Coruscant again. Just Tatooine, over and over again.

[Xav]

Link me bruh. I love Spoilers and I kinda want this movie to suck! :lol:https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/d5i0ye/the_basic_plot_of_the_rise_of_skywalker_updated/

[Sumac]

I think prequels are fine as far the story goes. They really tell an interesting story.
Two things that make them bad are: stilted acting / horrid dialogues and over reliance on the CGI.

I find Episode 1 the closest to the originals in tone, but that's might because I absolutely can't stand Aniken's actor in 2 and 3.

And so far spoilers to the TROS make it sound like it will rot-s.

On the other hand, it's not like they can fix this trainwreck. It would require to completely change Rey as a character, and make her an actual character instead of boring "role model" Mary Sue, remove "Rebels" and "Empire" pastiches, pretend that TLJ never had happened.

As of now they just want to steer this burning train into the lake, to buy some time before inevitable Episode X, but they might just ride right into barrels of gasoline.

[AquaParade]

As a pretty casual Star Wars fan, who has seen all the films at least once, if not two or three times, I find The Force Awakens to be my favorite.

I'm not sure if that's blasphemy to hardcore fans or what, but I just find it the most compelling to watch. The original trilogy is easily the most impressive to me, because of the groundbreaking and innovation, and the practical effects are just a joy to look at, even today, but for pure entertainment, I really enjoy the visuals, story, and pacing of The Force Awakens.

[Andrew NDB]

As a pretty casual Star Wars fan, who has seen all the films at least once, if not two or three times, I find The Force Awakens to be my favorite.

https://media.giphy.com/media/7zSzFBQwwGMC54c19q/giphy.gif

[AquaParade]

https://media.giphy.com/media/7zSzFBQwwGMC54c19q/giphy.gif

But they're all so goofy. I mean, the original trilogy is innovative, but on a pure narrative level, I find it to be dreadfully dull.

[ZariusTwo]

storY of The Force Awakens.

But the story was episode IV.

[Leo656]

That's a bit of an oversimplification. They also ripped off big chunks of Ep. V, including using the torture droid scene not once, but twice!

I get why some people like or even prefer the "razzle-dazzle" of TFA, but it really has no identity of its own. And one could argue that it doesn't exactly take a genius to produce an "All Killer, No Filler" remix of something that's already been popular for decades. The "work" of deconstructing the Good, Bad and Ugly of Star Wars movies had already been done, all Abrams and Disney did was make a movie that embraced everything The Internet said they liked and avoided everything they said they didn't.

I seem to enjoy it more than most people, although I've had zero desire to watch it in years and haven't even bothered to buy it, yet. But it's pretty lazy, altogether. Anybody could have made it and it feels like it was Focus Grouped into existence.

[ZariusTwo]

I put together a cut of the film where Han lived..if anyone wants to see it, just ask via PM:)