Star Wars: Episode IX

[MikeandRaph87]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/amp/

Palpatine is confirmed to be a clone housing his spirit and it was slowly withering away forcing him on the machine.

[oldmanwinters]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/amp/

Palpatine is confirmed to be a clone housing his spirit and it was slowly withering away forcing him on the machine.

Canon until the next movie comes out!

[Andrew NDB]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/amp/

Palpatine is confirmed to be a clone housing his spirit and it was slowly withering away forcing him on the machine.

Ironic how the main villain of the "sequel" trilogy is a decaying clone of the same villain shown almost 40 years ago. Kind of acts as a metaphor for the whole sequel trilogy...

[neatoman]

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-palpatine-clone-rise-skywalker-confirm-novel/amp/

Palpatine is confirmed to be a clone housing his spirit and it was slowly withering away forcing him on the machine.

So what's stopping him from back yet again? What if he just has an endless supply of clones he can download into? If that's the case neither Rey nor Anakin "killing" him had any point at all, he'd just keep coming back until someone gets rid of the clones. Keep in mind, cloning in Star Wars is so advanced you can make an army of perfect clones big enough to defend an entire galaxy. Christ, it's like playing the Operation Phoenix gag from Rick and Morty straight...
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[Andrew NDB]

So what's stopping him from back yet again? What if he just has an endless supply of clones he can download into? If that's the case neither Rey nor Anakin "killing" him had any point at all, he'd just keep coming back until someone gets rid of the clones. Keep in mind, cloning in Star Wars is so advanced you can make an army of perfect clones big enough to defend an entire galaxy.

I don't know that his soul just wandered around and shoved itself into the clone. It sounds like his mysterious followers on Exegol did all of that for him, and now they're gone. Like any dignity this franchise had left.

[MikeandRaph87]

The novelization also includes that Rey's father was not Palpatine's son, but a somewhat altered clone of him, who left to lead his own life.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rey-father-palpatine-clone/amp/

[IMJ]

The novelization also includes that Rey's father was not Palpatine's son, but a somewhat altered clone of him, who left to lead his own life.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rey-father-palpatine-clone/amp/

See this is where it's going to get truly weird. There's going to be so much extended canon to try and fix this nonsense on film, right? Yet that in of itself is going to create a cluster because all of the extended material is now vetted as canon or it isn't published. And so, Disney is quite literally digging their own way out of a hole by digging another hole that might fall into the hole created by their own extended story group.

[sdp]

And people said keeping the EU of things that happened in between Ep VI and VII was an awful idea since it would bring a lot of baggage, baggage that will now be created with their inferior version of Heir to the Empire and other books, hell a worse version of Dark Empire is now canon.

https://spoilertime.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Dark2-780x1200.jpg

[Sumac]

The novelization also includes that Rey's father was not Palpatine's son, but a somewhat altered clone of him, who left to lead his own life.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rey-father-palpatine-clone/amp/
Sounds like pointless retcon / addition.
It's like writers can't help but to overcomplicate things, when it is unneeded.

[Andrew NDB]

They could've at least given us a damn lightsaber battle with Rey and Palpatine, if going the Dark Empire route.

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.ibb.co/kccxWcC/000c.jpg

Bizarre marketing strategies continue on social media...

[Andrew NDB]

Terrible movie... not a bad video.

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[Sumac]

It is sad that all this enthusiasm and creativity went into...this thing.

[Andrew NDB]

It is sad that all this enthusiasm and creativity went into...this thing.

On the one hand, JJ was struck with doing what he's never done, which is telling the end of a story adequately. He answer seemed to be throwing a whole ton of different story things at the camera in rapid succession and hoping nobody noticed that none of it actually meant anything.

Yes, this was his trial by fire. "Can JJ Abrams do a proper ending for something?" We've wondered this for years. We have our answer. And there can be due process for "maybe Kathleen Kennedy was over his shoulder and he kept saying 'yes!' 'yes!' 'yes!'" but this doesn't change much. He's quietly owned that he can't. Because he certainly didn't have to do this. He wasn't even supposed to do this.

[frank_one]

This trilogy sucks and JJ has directed 2 movies out of 3. Can we say he is at least half guilty?

[Andrew NDB]

Daisy Ridley says the Rise of Skywalker backlash was hard on her.

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2020/04/10/star-wars-daisy-ridley-admits-the-rise-of-skywalker-backlash-was-hard/

What is it with this cast, anyway?

[Sumac]

Daisy Ridley says the Rise of Skywalker backlash was hard on her.

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2020/04/10/star-wars-daisy-ridley-admits-the-rise-of-skywalker-backlash-was-hard/

What is it with this cast, anyway?
It is sad, of course, but if you take part in a ****** movie with a passionate fanbase, what else do you expect?

It's not to say that some of the most rabid fanboys are justified in their crazy reaction, but still, do you expect being praised for taking part in something that is just not good?

[Andrew NDB]

"But reaction to the first one was so good? I don't understand."

Well, it's not hard to factor. You put out a trailer with Han and Chewie and feel good stuff. Then everything after that is bad... what did you think would happen? I think we can all imagine amazing ST movies with this same cast.

I mean, absolutely none of anything wrong with the ST is the fault of Ridley. But the way she funnels the reactions of things is very puzzling.

[Sumac]

TFA was not bad.
It was bland and creatively bankrupt, but it was not a horrible movie, which tried to offend its own fanbase or rewrite previous movie out of existence.

[oldmanwinters]

"But reaction to the first one was so good? I don't understand."

Well, it's not hard to factor. You put out a trailer with Han and Chewie and feel good stuff. Then everything after that is bad... what did you think would happen? I think we can all imagine amazing ST movies with this same cast.

I mean, absolutely none of anything wrong with the ST is the fault of Ridley. But the way she funnels the reactions of things is very puzzling.

All the Jedi live in her now...

[Jazzfox]

I'm sadly one of the camp who just feel like the movie fell flat on a lot of faces when it came to execution, but seeing that video clip of behind the scenes does make me wonder what could have been if only they'd stuck the landing somewhere

I'm a lot happier that shows like the Mandalorian stand up and proudly show that episode IX doesn't mean this has to be the end of ways Star Wars can still light up imaginations and be its classic awesome self

I'm planning on doing a marathon of the movies, trying to decide an order here now with everything added to it, this sound about right?

Rogue One > New Hope > Empire > Phantom Menace > Clones > Revenge > Jedi > 7, 8, 9


Going by the whole order to only hit prequels after the empire reveal, but, feel like Rogue One belongs at the start with just HOW it attaches to New Hope, any thoughts on that one?

[Xav]

TFA was not bad.
It was bland and creatively bankrupt, but it was not a horrible movie, which tried to offend its own fanbase or rewrite previous movie out of existence.Well it did kill off Han and made everything that happened in the original trilogy irrelevant.

[Sumac]

Well it did kill off Han and made everything that happened in the original trilogy irrelevant.
That's what I've meant with "creatively bankrupt".
But purely technically and when it comes to pacing it is not a bad movie.

[Andrew NDB]

That's what I've meant with "creatively bankrupt".
But purely technically and when it comes to pacing it is not a bad movie.

True. We can still watch 7 and have grand hopes, Han dead or not. Like, OK, this is bad, but we have 2 movies to fix or explain this.

[Voltron]

Man, you are optimistic. After the prequel trilogy's crapfest, I was terrified they weren't going to pull out of this nose dive.

And they largely didn't. The Last Jedi basically wasn't a movie. For all the backtracking The Force Awakens did, TLJ went above and beyond to outdo it.

When The Rise of Skywalker came out, I wasn't even going to see it. I ended up getting a free ticket. ROS did a lot of work to make up for TLJ, but there's only so much you can do in 2 hours to fix years of crap.

Not to beat a dead horse, but using franchises (or movies in general) to package political messages really gets in the way of storytelling. On top of that, catering to foreign markets destroys any remaining hope of getting a decent film made at all.

[Andrew NDB]

Prequels had warts but felt like equal parts spectacle and... Star Wars. But foremost, felt like Star Wars. Should there have been a million CGI designers on every facet? No. But the story made sense from episodes I through III and it made a good handshake with IV. Maybe I wouldn't have made the same choices... but it worked between trilogies. The same can't be said of whatever came out over the last few years.

[Voltron]

Revenge of the Sith was fun. That felt like Star Wars to me. The first one did at times, but lost it in a lot of places. Especially with Jar Jar and young Anakin. The second movie was just. . .meh.

Have you ever seen the Mr. Plinkett reviews? He makes a lot of good (but gross) points, but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he said.

[Andrew NDB]

The Plinkett reviews are legendary. I would say I don't agree with anywhere near the levels of hatred for the prequels they have... but they are must see for sure.

[Leo656]

Prequels had decent story (took too long to get out of first gear, though) with terrible acting and mediocre special effects.

Sequels had good-to-great acting and effects but terrible, TERRIBLE writing.

Frankly... I'm with Andrew. I, II and III just fit much better alongside the original trilogy whereas the new ones just don't, puppet Yoda or no. That right there actually shows just how far off the mark their thinking was when designing this new series; they felt like things such as "We actually made a Yoda puppet!" were make-or-break things, and that we'd be so enthralled by that sort of thing, or just getting to see the original actors again regardless of how they'd be used, that we'd forgive or ignore the f*cking terrible writing.

To be clear, the Prequels (and the original movies, if we're being completely honest) had some atrocious dialog and more than a bit of "Will of the Force" coincidence, but that's not the same type of "bad writing" that the new movies are guilty of. I through VI tell one long story, albeit amateurishly at times. Not only are the movies in the "Sequel Trilogy" incongruous to each other, but they're just chock full of "But this doesn't make any SENSE" bits. I haven't seen ROS, but in reading about it in detail it's f*cking laughable, an obvious cut-and-paste job, and TLJ was just... good LORD.

I personally can forgive the sins of the Prequels far easier than I can the newer films. These people, in all their wisdom and experience and sophistication, were supposed to know better. But for me, in getting the feeling that the thing was going to go off the rails, it all goes back to that damn Yoda puppet. Right when I saw that, I'm like, "I kinda feel like these people have the complete wrong priorities for this project." And turns out, I was right. They put all their attention into the wrong things and it cost them dearly.

Those Rey figures are still collecting dust at my local Walmart as of last week, by the way. It's not Daisy Ridley's fault, and I do feel bad for her as I think she could have done great in a much better-written Star Wars series, but Disney really screwed the pooch on it. If she's having a hard time dealing with the fallout, well... call the Boss Lady, lady, don't yell at ME about it.

[Andrew NDB]

I think some more relevant threads have been purged to which this might have been more relevant. In any case...

Screenwriter David Koepp says that the core problem is that "Lucasfilm fans are difficult to please."

https://www.darkhorizons.com/koepp-lucasfilm-fans-are-difficult-to-please/

[Leo656]

Huh. I just noticed that. Weird.

Anyway... he's not altogether wrong. I didn't get into Star Wars "properly" until the re-releases in the late-90s, and didn't get "heavy" until Episode I came out, and it didn't take me very long at all to realize that nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars "fans" do. A big, huge, giant reason why I don't embrace any "fandom" despite being a seriously passionate fan of many things. I just cannot stand "fan culture", I don't like cult/mob mentality, and I generally think obsessives are just the goddamn worst kind of people, regardless what they're a fan of. "Fans" ruin everything, and Star Wars helped teach me that, although many things since then have reinforced it.

Like, I'm glad that other people like the things I like. I just generally want nothing to do with those people. :lol: If that makes any sense.

That said... well, for starters, this guy's resume is quite a mixed bag in itself. But aside from that... the SW Sequels just weren't well-written at all. You can't say that about even the Prequels. Maybe they were over-written and over-stuffed but there was very little "WTF?" in the writing outside of Midichlorians, and they're barely mentioned at all. Ep. 7 wasn't badly written, although I get why it wasn't the movie people wanted. But once you accept that "They tell YOU the story and not the other way around", IF you can accept that, and just take it for what it is, then it's fine. Killing Han off before he had a scene with Luke was a giant misfire, and even Abrams apologized for it, I think, or at least admitted after the fact somewhere that it was a shortsighted decision, but most of the movie is Just Fine if you can accept how hard they hit that Remix Shuffle button.

Ep. 8 felt like... it was like the New 52 version of Star Wars. As in, it felt like it was written by someone who hated the original property and was solely interested in writing something that would cater directly to him and other people who didn't like/didn't care about Star Wars. And it apparently succeeded in that, but ONLY that, and that's questionable because as you've mentioned elsewhere, Andrew, Ep. 8 essentially killed the franchise, or at least put it on life support. It'll NEVER be as big as it was before, though, not even close. And that's entirely Ep. 8's fault.

I haven't seen Ep. 9 yet - and I honestly don't know when I ever will - but I have read the story multiple times and it is frankly quite horrible. I'm sure it plays better in motion with all the shiny "pew pew" and the soundtrack and whatnot, but on paper, the whole thing is a disaster, objectively. BUT, that's only because they had to cram two movies into one: The "We're sorry for the last movie" movie, and the "So here's what we really wanted to show you" movie. Their initial idea of having each chapter of the trilogy be overseen by different people, and furthermore not even having them collaborate in any way, and further furthermore going out of their way to obstruct even the possibility of any communication/collaboration, was just the absolute dirt-worst idea ever. "We're putting a book together, and This Guy is gonna write Chapters 1-5. Then This Other Guy is gonna write Chapters 6-10, and Yet Another Guy is gonna write Chapters 11-15 to complete it. OH, and it's all one story, with the same characters, but you're not allowed to read anybody else's work and you can't talk about it!" :roll: Maybe a fun workshop exercise at a writer's retreat or a high school class, or something, but holy SH*T, how could anyone think that would ever turn out well? I know people who work in Hollywood all smoke crack, but they must've been on the good sh*t THAT day.

And it's so weird and crazy how some people love to tout how Ep. 8 shook things up by "breaking all the rules" of Star Wars, like that's a good thing. The fact is, Star Wars is for nerds and nerds f*cking love rules. That's why they play those tabletop games with all those cards and 40-sided dice and gigantic f*cking guide books that have 87 Rule Revisions. That's why they build massive comic book collections and argue about conflicting canon. Nerds LOVE "rules"; imagination is a wondrous thing and all, but if you remove the predetermined laws and boundaries of any fictional universe, well, then you're no better than a small child banging their action figures together. "Raaaah, and now Batman comes in to save Luke Skywalker, gyaaah! Pew pew pew!" And that's essentially what Ep. 8 was. Not much "Star Wars", but a lot of "I want to make people who hate Star Wars, like Star Wars." And just like New 52, they pleased SOME of those people and absolutely nobody else. They openly did not care if any existing fans of the brand liked it - just like New 52 - and that's questionable as hell.

So... yeah, "hard to please" fans? Sure, no argument. Fans are all The Worst, Star Wars fans worse than most. But that doesn't excuse the fact that when it came to constructing the Sequel Trilogy, they just... they did NOTHING right, aside from casting Daisy Ridley and re-signing some of the original actors. Literally Every Single Other Thing they did was wrong, and anyone could have seen it coming for miles. I'm sure they were all warned, too; they just figured they knew better.
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I also fixed a two-month old typo in my previous post because damn it, I have standards. :lol:

[Sumac]

Well, this guy is a retard and a bad writer to boot.

No self-respecting creator would say something like that after producing **** like The Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. It basically saying: "Why our fans don't eat any **** we labeled as Star Wars? How dare they demand quality and consistency with previous works?! They must be entitled rich white nazies who don't understand struggle of bla-bla-bla!!"

Western civilization is sick indeed.

[Leo656]

TO BE FAIR...

"Death Becomes Her" is pretty good, "Spider-Man" still has lots of charm, most people love "Jurassic Park" and I've heard that "The Shadow" was pretty good, although I still need to see that one.

Flip side being, he also wrote the Tom Cruise "Mummy" flick. But I guess you can't win 'em all.

At least he wasn't as nasty and dismissive about it as most other people involved with the Star Wars brand have been. Nothing about "toxic masculinity" or "systemic racism" or any of that. Good for him.

Just "There's a lot of fans, they have a lot of expectations, and that makes it a tough job." That's fair. He's not taking full responsibility but he's careful to avoid laying too much blame outright. And that's also fair. It's not like he actually "wrote" those Star Wars movies, at least not the same way he wrote some of the others he's credited with. Stuff like Star Wars doesn't have a "writer" in the traditional sense; what they have is a room full of people who just spitball ideas, and then they give it all to One Guy to put into A-B-C, Act I - Act II - Act III order. But the actual "stories" of the Sequel Trilogy were all done by a committee and then given to him to execute; it's not like any of the ideas were his.

He was essentially a typist or a stenographer, only given a "writer" credit due to union rules and such. Kind of unfair to put it all on this guy. He's merely trying to be diplomatic in the hopes that he'll one day get hired by Disney again. Can't fault him for that. ALL of the story decisions happened way above his pay grade, though, that much I can promise you.

[Xav]

Who the heck are you guys talking about? Because this David Koepp doesn't have a single Star Wars film credited to his name.

[oldmanwinters]

Here's another one of those "it's canon until we make a movie or episode that makes it not canon" announcements:
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-yoda-palpatine-sith-sense-before-prequels/?utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR10t-e4B9StlQeJ723UcLuM0_9IQY8LhDHd05k7iqG_lm4bubgZxdeS t90

[Sumac]

It would be easier to not make a pile of garbage in the first place, then rewriting ****.
But Disney gonna Disney.

[sdp]

Rumors now that Disney is planning to retcon the sequel trilogy as a "what if" scenario with some time travel shenanigans introduced in rebels or something like that.

Sounds completely false and doubt it'll happen but as horrible as it sounds I'd actually like it. First it would mean Disney realized they ****ed up, second while a stupid idea that wouldn't fix things really at the very least it would diminish the sequel trilogy as "events that can happen" and it's a better alternative than what we currently have. Third, in a way it would mean that the previous clusterf-ck of EU is not entirely dead.

I don't see it happening but yes, I do want this retcon, thanks for playing with my feelings clickbait sites.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Rumors now that Disney is planning to retcon the sequel trilogy as a "what if" scenario with some time travel shenanigans introduced in rebels or something like that.

Sounds completely false and doubt it'll happen but as horrible as it sounds I'd actually like it. First it would mean Disney realized they ****ed up, second while a stupid idea that wouldn't fix things really at the very least it would diminish the sequel trilogy as "events that can happen" and it's a better alternative than what we currently have. Third, in a way it would mean that the previous clusterf-ck of EU is not entirely dead.

I don't see it happening but yes, I do want this retcon, thanks for playing with my feelings clickbait sites.

Doubt it. It made them lots of money, and that's what Di$ney cares about the most

[Leo656]

I seen it, but I doubt it. They already popped their wad. Carrie Fisher is dead. The other originals don't really want to come back. They can't revisit and do a "proper" Episode 7, 8 and 9 without the original series cast and they already f*cked that up. We'd only ever get to see "What Really Happened" as a comic book or novel or cartoon or something, and like Star Wars fans love to remind everyone, Only The Movies Count, everything else is fanfic.

So yeah, nah, just more wishful thinking. Should've gotten it right the first time. It should have been an easy nut to crack, but Disney could f*ck up a wet dream. They had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity that can never be revisited and, true to form, they did the worst possible job with it.

Maaaaaybe it would've been plausible if Fisher hadn't offed herself like a dumbass. But that right there kills any chance.

[CyberCubed]

Rumors now that Disney is planning to retcon the sequel trilogy as a "what if" scenario with some time travel shenanigans introduced in rebels or something like that.

Sounds completely false and doubt it'll happen but as horrible as it sounds I'd actually like it. First it would mean Disney realized they ****ed up, second while a stupid idea that wouldn't fix things really at the very least it would diminish the sequel trilogy as "events that can happen" and it's a better alternative than what we currently have. Third, in a way it would mean that the previous clusterf-ck of EU is not entirely dead.

I don't see it happening but yes, I do want this retcon, thanks for playing with my feelings clickbait sites.

There's no way this would happen, sounds like something angry Star Wars fans would make up on reddit/4chan

[oldmanwinters]

Rumors now that Disney is planning to retcon the sequel trilogy as a "what if" scenario with some time travel shenanigans introduced in rebels or something like that.

Sounds completely false and doubt it'll happen but as horrible as it sounds I'd actually like it. First it would mean Disney realized they ****ed up, second while a stupid idea that wouldn't fix things really at the very least it would diminish the sequel trilogy as "events that can happen" and it's a better alternative than what we currently have. Third, in a way it would mean that the previous clusterf-ck of EU is not entirely dead.

I don't see it happening but yes, I do want this retcon, thanks for playing with my feelings clickbait sites.

Sounds like Fox trying to do Dark Phoenix over again!

[Leo656]

It's been nothing but Slow News Days lately. Every rumor gets a headline. Makes sense but doesn't mean even half of what people are talking about are true. They just have to generate content and there's literally nothing going on. Might as well make sh*t up.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Actually, I could partially see them going though with something along these lines, but without erasing anything. with the veil of the force/world between worlds in place, you don't need to 'change the past at all. Just explain all of the different stories are alternate timelines connected by the veil of the force.

We saw Dark Rey of out of the mirrors in the rise of Skywalker, so there is precedent. Mara Jade is rumored to be in an upcoming episode of the mandalorian, what if it's the actual Mara Jade from the Legends/old EU timeline crossed over through the veil of the force to the universe of the mandalorian. And maybe the ashoka in that season 2 is actually from the Disney timeline, crossed over to the universe of the mandalorian, and the events of the Sequel trilogy will not occur in the universe of the mandalorian? Establishing all of these timelines (including the different worlds in the Star wars 'infinities' comics) would be a profitable storytelling tool of Disney. I could actually see them doing it.

[Vegita-San]

the mandalorian does have references to warlords and the EU. I kind of feel like they are trying to lean more towards legends than the ST.

[Leo656]

So if they do this, then they "wasted" three of the most important and anticipated movies in history on "fanfiction" and would leave the "expanded universe" of TV shows and novels to present "What REALLY Happened."

That would be a stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID thing to do.

Almost as stupid as wasting three of the most important and anticipated movies in history on fanfiction was in the first place. Still dumb though.

[Andrew NDB]

No chance.

[IMJ]

Actually, I could partially see them going though with something along these lines, but without erasing anything. with the veil of the force/world between worlds in place, you don't need to 'change the past at all. Just explain all of the different stories are alternate timelines connected by the veil of the force.

Basically Abrams-Verse it like Star Trek.

[neatoman]

Anybody thinking the franchise needs to start from scratch after this trainwreck of a movie?

[IMJ]

Anybody thinking the franchise needs to start from scratch after this trainwreck of a movie?

No, not at all. I'd prefer Star Wars never gets relaunched in my lifetime. Just find a way to give the middle finger to the third trilogy egos and wipe it out and do it again.

It'll be a mess because no Fisher and Ford probably won't bother coming back, but who cares at this point. Just fix it as best as possible.

[Andrew NDB]

I'd settle for new, brutally edited versions of TLJ and TROS. Maybe with new, better footage.

[Leo656]

I finally hit middle-age, so like my 1970s forerunners, I'm perfectly fine with No More New Star Wars.

I even like the Prequels fine, but they cost the franchise a sense of innocence and purity that had had lasted nearly two decades but can never be recaptured, so I can understand why some fans feel that they added nothing of value. And the Sequels just puked on everything, and they definitely added nothing of value. So if people wanna pretend that "Star Wars" is three movies and Nothing Else, well... I don't fully agree but there's a definite wisdom in taking that position.

But yeah, if they would just do nothing forever I think we'd all be Just Fine.

[sdp]

I'm not a fan of fan edits or but I think if a fan edit of Episodes 7,8 and 9 into one 2 1/2 hour movie could be pretty awesome, and that's what episode 7 should've been. Remains of the empire, emperor back, our old heroes fight and die leaving the new cast 2 more movies to go against something new. It could work.

[ProphetofGanja]

Anybody thinking the franchise needs to start from scratch after this trainwreck of a movie?

I second that motion

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That would imply that there was something wrong with the original trilogy, and we certainly don't need that idea tempting filmmakers.

[AquaParade]

It's been fascinating yet unfortunate to watch. The franchise felt near invincible around the release of The Force Awakens. Like it was back and better than ever. Maybe the true die-hards didnt feel that way with George gone, but as a casual fan, that seemed to be the consensus.

It took the one-two punch of the most polarizing blockbuster film in memory, followed by a cluster**** of Justice League proportions to drag this beast back into the dirt. Almost surprises me that it wasn't on purpose.

[Vegita-San]

the fact is, they screwed up.

played it safe, got over confident, found out nothing is too big to kill, found out too late, and now it's dead. and they know it.

hopefully this causes them to think twice about doing it to marvel.

[sdp]

The screw up began with TFA, I know most people didn't realize it until TLJ, and a the few remaining didn't realize until TROS but after TFA it was very difficult to turn this trilogy around, any sequel would've had to do a lot and we got TLJ which did nothing, TROS tried to do something. I personally think it's the movie that tried the most and I'll respect it for that. This new trilogy feels like direct to video movies on a high budget.

It does seem like Disney seems to know they screwed up big time and they've been trying to make up for it but messing up the sequel trilogy is going to take a lot since they tainted the universe with their bad decisions. We won't know if Disney's reaction to saving star wars will work yet, it'll take a few years but Disney seems to understand they couldn't just pump out rebels vs empire and let people without vision in charge. This is the only good news, the bad news is it cost us the sequel trilogy, the thing most star wars fans have wanted, nothing in the future will ever be able to match the hype.

[Andrew NDB]

What makes me the angriest is that it didn't JUST cost us the ST. It rendered anything they could possibly offer us in between 6 and 7 (and we're talking like 30 years here) inconsequential. Yeah, they can try and do this or that... but at the end of the day we KNOW that in 7-9 the Empire is going to miraculously re-manifest and devastate everyone back into a "Rebels" state. Stupidly.

[Andrew NDB]

Boyega says he's "done with Star Wars." Which really just means Star Wars is done with him and nothing is in the pipeline for him (and why would there be?). He makes it seem like he's "walking away" from something that wants something to do with him anymore:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/boyega-has-moved-on-from-star-wars/

Not his fault, of course. He played his character fine. It's just, none of it was actually any good. And he knows it.

[Sumac]

Borgar is kind for arrogant, but I can feel pity for him - Finn was the best character in a Sequel Trilogy and he was wasted like ****.

Another sign that Disney didn't give a ****. I'd take trilogy with Finn as main character over Rey Sue Skywalker Palpatine.

[frank_one]

Finn has never been interesting. He has done nothing interesting in the three movies he was in. He was a stormtrooper who at some point decided to be a good guy. Why? We don't know. And that's it, His whole characterization is there, nothing else.

[CyberCubed]

He has no role now, but once he's 40-50 years old, you'll see "General Finn" come back for the next generation.

[neatoman]

He has no role now, but once he's 40-50 years old, you'll see "General Finn" come back for the next generation.

Ah yes, and he'll be leading the Revolutionaries who'll want to establish third Republic after the Domain took over. And a scrappy nobody force user will join the Revolutionaries to deafeat the Domain's Praetor, his Slaughter Nova weapon that can destroy 100 planets at the same time and the secret Sith Lord love child of Rey and Kylo who was conceived through the force at the last moment because the force can ****ing do anything, including that ****!

Then the next trilogy will be about how the Uprisers will fight against the Supression's Murder Sun to establish the Fourth Republic!

My god, are the possibilities for Star Wars endless or what?!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ah yes, and he'll be leading the Revolutionaries who'll want to establish third Republic after the Domain took over. And a scrappy nobody force user will join the Revolutionaries to deafeat the Domain's Praetor, his Slaughter Nova weapon that can destroy 100 planets at the same time and the secret Sith Lord love child of Rey and Kylo who was conceived through the force at the last moment because the force can ****ing do anything, including that ****!

Then the next trilogy will be about how the Uprisers will fight against the Supression's Murder Sun to establish the Fourth Republic!

My god, are the possibilities for Star Wars endless or what?!

As sarcastic as that post was, it also read uncomfortably likely as the future of Star Wars. :tlol:

[sdp]

Yeah, Finn was a wasted character with tons of potential so feel for the actor, and yes he will be back after enough time has passed as will Rey's actress. A decade is a long time to change your opinion, who ever saw Harrison Ford coming back for 7?

Finn becoming a Jedi would've been awesome, instead he had no role for the last two movies. I mean he was shown to be force sensitive and went toe to toe with Kylo despite having no training and not being a mary sue like rey.

[oldmanwinters]

More from the guy who vowed he'd never stoop to be relegated to a Disney+ production:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-wars-star-john-boyega-says-disney-used-his-race-to-market-the-movies-then-sidelined-him-101423383.html

[sdp]

At least the "woke" people are now allowed to hate and turning on TLJ, since they did our boy Finn wrong. I'm glad he's speaking out, I would've loved Jedi Finn so much.

[NinjaPug]

I know I?m in the vast minority but I actually liked his arc in TLJ. Went from caring about nothing but Rey to seeing the galaxy for what it was and realizing the greater good was worth fighting for. Is that as exciting as using the Force? No.

Is he just mad that his character wasn?t a Jedi? Do you blame Disney for that or JJ for teasing that he was the Jedi of the story through marketing simply as a means to try and shock the audience that Rey was?

The main issue with the ST falls on Lucasfilm for not having a plan for all of it before starting.

[Jester]

JJ and his dang Mystery Box twists. Just like Khan in Star Trek: Into Darkness.

Boyega's not wrong to feel used as a prop, but then again that's what happens when Hollywood decides meeting some sort of diversity quota is more important than developing those characters. Until Hollywood can stop patting themselves on the back and self-congratulating themselves for just having X number of Y people in a film and actually make them GOOD CHARACTERS, this will sadly continue to happen.

[oldmanwinters]

Until Hollywood can stop patting themselves on the back and self-congratulating themselves for just having X number of Y people in a film and actually make them GOOD CHARACTERS, this will sadly continue to happen.

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[Andrew NDB]

JJ and his dang Mystery Box twists. Just like Khan in Star Trek: Into Darkness.

Boyega's not wrong to feel used as a prop, but then again that's what happens when Hollywood decides meeting some sort of diversity quota is more important than developing those characters. Until Hollywood can stop patting themselves on the back and self-congratulating themselves for just having X number of Y people in a film and actually make them GOOD CHARACTERS, this will sadly continue to happen.

Yeah, why worry about plot or characters as long as you have the first lesbian kiss in Star Wars and can talk about it in interviews. What a bunch of heroes.

:roll:

[ZariusTwo]

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[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Horray, now we can see Rey kick the iconic Darth Vader's butt, while schooling Luke on how to really use the force, and doing everything the heroes of the old trilogy did better, with one arm tied behind her back, lego style! :roll:

Yeah, this is why my headcanon is the the first six movies, the clone wars series, Rebels, the mandalorian, and a certain few EU/Legends books set right after ROTJ. Everything else (including the sequel trilogy) are some weird alternate timelines in the world between worlds/veil of the force multiverse.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

EU/Legends is the only way to Star Wars.

Thrawn, Mara Jade, Jacen and Jaina, et al

[Andrew NDB]

What in the holy hooting hell... nobody cares about Rey. Shesus. Literally inserting her into episodes I-VI is not going to change anyone's mind. The opposite.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What in the holy hooting hell... nobody cares about Rey. Shesus. Literally inserting her into episodes I-VI is not going to change anyone's mind. The opposite.

Could be worse, amigo. Could be Rose. :twink:

[sdp]

It's lego star wars, they've had anachronistic stuff in that "universe" all the time that make no sense just because its cool so I don't mind, it's hard non-canon. As far as Star Wars the way I was able to reconcile my love for Star Wars post Episode 7 & 8 was that only the first 6 movies are canon and anything else in my headcanon I just choose the stories that I like to be canon. As much as th EU was cool, it was equally as awful so now that it's all non-canon I can just choose the stories I like, movies I like and anything going forward and keep them in my headcanon. So, I'm open to liking Disney Star Wars stuff but to me it is in the same level of canon as the average Expanded Universe book story.

[oldmanwinters]

Meh, Lego SW is basically the franchise's officially-sanctioned outlet for self-aware parody. No harm in them.

[frank_one]

I'm sure this will be way better than the sequel trilogy.

[Andrew NDB]

And I'm assuming Daisy Ridley is reprising the role for the voice, yes? Immediately throwing out the window her ridiculous "ohhh... I don't think I would ever play Rey again. I'm done with SW, etc.."

[ZariusTwo]

It'd be hilarious if all those sources that told Doomcock about the 'veil of the force' timeline retcon rumours were for this.

[sdp]

It'd be hilarious if all those sources that told Doomcock about the 'veil of the force' timeline retcon rumours were for this.
That always sounded ridiculous and too good to be true but can't say I was hoping it wasn't BS.

And I'm assuming Daisy Ridley is reprising the role for the voice, yes? Immediately throwing out the window her ridiculous "ohhh... I don't think I would ever play Rey again. I'm done with SW, etc.."

If Ford came back (twice!) then no way anyone says no to returning, give it a few years and some $$$, even Boyega.

[Leo656]

And I'm assuming Daisy Ridley is reprising the role for the voice, yes? Immediately throwing out the window her ridiculous "ohhh... I don't think I would ever play Rey again. I'm done with SW, etc.."

She also not-too-subtly implied that they killed her career and nobody wants to hire her for anything now.

She'll be back if they ask her to. It's not like her phone is ringing off the hook, by her own admission. I don't have any problem with her, I actually quite like her (just not the material written for her). But I can see her career having a similar issue as Hammill's, where she does Star Wars, then a whole lot of nothing (or nothing anyone cares about at least) for like 15 years until she catches on doing something else.

Like everyone acknowledges Mark Hammill as a legend NOW but for the longest time he was just "The guy who did Star Wars that one time, and oh yeah, I think he does some cartoon show?" Both Simpsons and "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" poked a lot of fun at the fact that the guy basically couldn't get work for the longest time despite being so "famous". I can see Daisy Ridley's career going much the same way.

But yeah if Disney cuts her a check she'll make nice. Same for any of 'em. They got nothing going on otherwise.

[frank_one]

Nah, I don't think she's really so desperate, she doesn't need them. She is still young and beautiful, she can find her way.

[Sumac]

She also can not act, if SW is any indication.

So, unless she get to play in another YA franchise, which were mostly dead for the last few years or find herself a director husband, who put her in all his project for free, I don't think her acting carrier is very bright.

[Leo656]

Everybody in the original main cast of Star Wars was "young and beautiful", too. Yet only Ford had any sort of career in front of the camera until 20 years later. Carrie Fisher was a sex icon for an entire generation, and aside from a cameo in The Blues Brothers, she had a ton of "f*ck-all nothing" for many years as far as acting roles. Granted, she was a huge giant coke addict and that probably had at least something to do with it, but the fact is, she didn't have anyone beating down her door with acting roles. Didn't matter how hot she looked in that metal bikini.

Again, I liked Daisy Ridley, but she's the one who said her phone isn't ringing. Those movies were so bad that nobody from that cast, by all accounts, is getting any substantial offers. If things had gone differently, then perhaps. And it's not their fault, all they did was work with the material they were given and did well enough at it. BUT, fair or unfair, being in bad movies has a way of killing your career even if you yourself are very good IN the bad movies.

If I were her, I'd be pretty pissed. Star Wars was supposed to be the start of her career, not the end of it, but the backlash was so severe that everyone involved is radioactive now.

She's hot, so I'd like to see her get more work. But we'll see.

[frank_one]

She's actually done stuff without Disney and she has a role in a movie coming in 2021. I wouldn't call her acting career dead yet. Let's give her a couple years.

[Leo656]

To be fair, I'm just going by what she herself said in an interview recently.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Okay, soooo.... apprently it was recently leaked from an offical book twhat the plot for the Star Wars sequel trilogy would have been like under George Lucas, and it's very interesting;

-Episode seven would have picked up a few years after Return of the Jedi (possibly with new actors playing the OT characters), and concentrated on the restoring of the republic.

-The villians would be the galactic crime cartels, united under the rule of Darth Maul (who had survived in the clone wars cartoon) stormtroopers and imperial officers would have been hostile to the new republic, and joined Maul's criminal empire. Maul is the 'godfather' of crime in the galaxy, and seks to overtake the republic through criminal activity.

- Luke sends out a call for all survivng jedi to gather to him, and there are about 50 or so jedi who survived the purge in hiding, but were too afraid to come out during imeperial rule. They slowly start rebuilding the Jedi Order, while fighting Maul and his sith criminal empire.

-Maul had an apprentice named darth Talon, (who was originally from the old expanded universe) and she gets most of the action scenes/is the new darth vader.

-Leia is the star of this trilogy/hero of this generation, and focus of this trilogy, as she restores the republic, and becomes chancellor and the end of this trilogy, while Luke sucsessfully restores the jedi order with the help of the surviving jedi, and they train a new generation of Jedi knights.

Why oh why couldn't we have gotten this instead of that horrible Disney trilogy?!

[CyberCubed]

Because it was 30 years too late. The actors of the original trilogy were too old, and that pitch sounds like it should have happened in the early 90's at the latest. It's understandable why they didn't go with it.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Because it was 30 years too late. The actors of the original trilogy were too old, and that pitch sounds like it should have happened in the early 90's at the latest. It's understandable why they didn't go with it.

I don't buy that, cubed. New actors could have worked. If Ewan McGregor can play Obi-wan in a series set close to A New Hope in the timeline (when he is supposed to look like Alec Guiness), properly chosen new actors could be the OT characters a few years after return of the Jedi.

[CyberCubed]

I mean the original initial hype of the new trilogy announcement was that Mark Hammil, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher were all reprising their roles. To replace them all with new younger actors (and we've seen that with the Han Solo movie and how poorly received the actor who played Han in it was), I don't think it would have worked.

[sdp]

I don't buy that, perhaps it was meant to be a story for a comic or book or to fill in the blanks, no way Lucas would've gotten new actors for a trilogy, he had already sought out the original actors to reprise their roles. We do know Lucas loved Darth Talon but his concept was more with the Whills and ot go into details of the force, he wanted a new story that hadn't been done.

Doesn't really matter anymore, we're stuck with Disney's turd of a sequel trilogy OT remake. The focus would be to put pressure on Disney on somehow redeeming it that trilogy with some fun EU stories.

Best we can do now is for Disney to get their **** together so in 10 years they can release Episode X (you know they will do this). With an older Rey, Finn as Jedi etc with a new Jedi Order and a new threat that is totally new, you know, what EP. VII should've been to begin with. We had one chance to make an epic Ep. VII but that's now past, Carrie Fisher is dead and they killed the original characters in a dumb way and did nothing new with the new ones.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I don't buy that, perhaps it was meant to be a story for a comic or book or to fill in the blanks, no way Lucas would've gotten new actors for a trilogy, he had already sought out the original actors to reprise their roles. We do know Lucas loved Darth Talon but his concept was more with the Whills and ot go into details of the force, he wanted a new story that hadn't been done.

Doesn't really matter anymore, we're stuck with Disney's turd of a sequel trilogy OT remake. The focus would be to put pressure on Disney on somehow redeeming it that trilogy with some fun EU stories.

Best we can do now is for Disney to get their **** together so in 10 years they can release Episode X (you know they will do this). With an older Rey, Finn as Jedi etc with a new Jedi Order and a new threat that is totally new, you know, what EP. VII should've been to begin with. We had one chance to make an epic Ep. VII but that's now past, Carrie Fisher is dead and they killed the original characters in a dumb way and did nothing new with the new ones.

Well, the article didn't say Anyting about new actors, that was just a bad guess on my part. Probably the trilogy would only start a few years after RoTJ with a prolouge or something, but mostly be set thirty years later.

And no, I won't acept an episode X with an older Rey, Finn and Poe. Even if a new movie is gold, I defnitely won't accept a mountain of gold built on a foundation of manure. From now on, the Maul story is now the canon for me, and the disney sequels are bad fanfics i will no longer participate in. (Mandalorian gets a pass, though).

[sdp]

Ah ok, then that matches the prev information since it also had Darth Talon as the villain

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Ah ok, then that matches the prev information since it also had Darth Talon as the villain
Well, the article didn't mention the quira character at all, and luke sucsessfuly rebuilt the jedi, he didn't become some hermit Kira was trying to find.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Expanded Universe novels and comics, people. You haven't lost them.

[frank_one]

Darth Maul, again? Maul surviving has never felt like an exciting plot twist to me. Using him as one of the main villains of a trilogy? Boring.

[CyberCubed]

Darth Maul was basically the prequels "Boba Fett" in the cool looking character fans latched onto and meme'd them into larger characters than they were and brought them both back from their "deaths" in canon.

[Leo656]

Most people who have read the articles about this absolutely don't believe that was Lucas's plan. It's just more revisionist history.

Lucas is notorious about this. For decades (before the internet allowed people to fact-check everything) he insisted that he had always pre-planned a grand, 9-episode saga right from the beginning, but we ALL know now that none of that was true and that 100% of even the original trilogy was made up as they went along. He might have had a very loose idea of where he wanted things to go but he never, EVER had a "master plan".

This is just more of the same. No sane person buys it. He's had a lot of time to think about what people have liked and disliked about Nu-Star Wars, so he "leaks" out stuff like this to make people pine for what could have been had he never sold out.

It would have been better than what we got, sure. But mark my words, he absolutely was not thinking about doing any of that stuff 15 years or so ago or whenever he claims this was "The Plan". Going by precedent, he probably came up with it last week.

He's salty about all the attention "The Mandalorian" Season 2 is getting and wanted to scoop some heat for himself. Nothing more than that. Just making up tall tales about "Lucas, The Master Visionary/Storyteller", as usual.

Last time he talked, "The Plan" for the Sequel Trilogy was about going deep into the Midichlorians and Luke training Leia to use the Force. NOW he says something completely different and swears THAT was the plan. He's just making stuff up to stay relevant.

All smoke.

[Sumac]

Either way, this plan sounds better than ST.

However, I disagree that it was not plan: a lot of those details, like criminal cartels, Darth Talon, were mentioned as part of original plan, back when TLJ has been released.

[Mayhem]

Have to agree, it still sounds better than what we got. And a bit more believeable.

[Sumac]

The main thing for me: it doesn't sound like retread of OT.

[sdp]

Lucas had to hand Disney his plans for Ep. 7-9 so his plans do exist. But it doesn't matter, all we can hope is that some ideas are used eventually and that Disney finds a good way to make up for Ep 7-9. Give us some awesome stories of Luke/Han/Leia before all the BS happened in books,games,cartoons to redeem them with some fun stories. Set up some new threat and adventures with new characters and have g post Ep9 stories where Ghost Luke and Leia are able to redeem themselves as well since those events could've started when they were still alive even if the threat didn't emerge until later. I don't know, I'm not a writer surely someone can make a good story to make up for it.

[Sumac]

Lucas had to hand Disney his plans for Ep. 7-9 so his plans do exist. But it doesn't matter, all we can hope is that some ideas are used eventually and that Disney finds a good way to make up for Ep 7-9. Give us some awesome stories of Luke/Han/Leia before all the BS happened in books,games,cartoons to redeem them with some fun stories. Set up some new threat and adventures with new characters and have g post Ep9 stories where Ghost Luke and Leia are able to redeem themselves as well since those events could've started when they were still alive even if the threat didn't emerge until later. I don't know, I'm not a writer surely someone can make a good story to make up for it.
Some were used: Rey, Poe and Finn are based on characters from Lucas draft. Finn was older and was supposed to die, while main characters were Rey and Poe.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Well, with Disney's Star Wars apparently being a multiverse now (revealed in a deadline article), the sequel trilogy is just one of many timelines, so there could be stories to tell of the OT heroes where they end up in a better place than they did in the Sequel Trilogy. I'd love to see a post-ROTJ animated series about the OT heroes, where Luke actually rebuild the Jedi Order successfully.

[sdp]

The new details don't conflict with the previous info we had of Lucas' sequel trilogy and yeah it sounds like a much better idea and I really wish Lucas had at least stuck around for Ep. 7 so the damage would've been minimal..


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As far as the alternate universe stuff seems like Disney just wanting do do stories and not have to worry about continuity or how they've ****ed this over. Not so much that they'll retcon Ep. 9 but that if they do a story that has nothing to do with continuity it's just "another universe". Disney Star Wars really is the worst.

[Andrew NDB]

Boyega and others calling Disney racists to commemorate MLK Day.

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/01/star-wars-backlash-rwb1/

I think it's silly. I guess there could be a case for Kylo, but did the white characters even make it out much better than Finn or Rose? It's a "dumb Kathleen Kennedy with no plan at all beyond a female/diversity agenda" thing, not a racist thing.

[Vegita-San]

agreed. racist, nazi, and other words get thrown around so much these days it's silly. it's lost it's bite.

[sdp]

I do think it was racist in a way for Boyega, but with no mal-intent, they just saw him as less marketable and were already risking it with a female protagonist. I remember seeing tons of racist comments before TFA came out because Finn was apparently a Jedi and people seething. Now I don't think the handling of the character was racist, it was bad management by Kathleen Kennedy but I do think racism didn't help boyega have a chance at the studio.

Now nothing about Rose was racist, it was mostly people making fun of how ugly and fat she was on top of a horrible character. At least Finn actually had stuff for his character to achieve.

[Vegita-San]

Am I the only one who thinks 'rose' wasn't bad looking? the outfit didn't do her any favors though.

Anyone who was complaining about Finn being a jedi was an idiot. they obviously forgot about mace windu.
I'd be more annoyed at a black vulcan..cause, you know, there are no WHITE vulcans...

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[AquaParade]

Nah, Kelly Marie is gorgeous in a dress. That said, many women are more gorgeous when dressed because of how much accentuation their outfits can give, between push up bras, heels, etc. Not to discredit women, who are generally more beautiful than a ball-hanging creature such as myself.

[CyberCubed]

She lost a lot of weight. She definitely is very chubby in The Last Jedi, you can see it in her face even ignoring her body.

She definitely looks better now due to losing weight, good for her. There was nothing wrong with the actress herself, it's just her character/role in the movie was boring. I hope she does well in other movie roles in the future.

[Sumac]

She wasn't a looker in TLJ, but her character, was a main problem.
For people who wanted to hate her, her appearance definitely played a role, sadly.

[Vegita-San]

Finn is trending on Twitter.

I honestly think he could have had a MUCH better storyline. you could have had a sith and luke vying for his 'soul' to train him. and it would have been a different type of story than the basic 'sith verse jedi' stuff...

much better than the bestest evah wonder rey.

[Leo656]

She definitely looks pretty hot in that picture, but yeah, in the movie itself she was definitely "puffy". The outfits didn't help.

Like everything else in the series, she wasn't the problem, the writing was.

I don't respect the way she lashed out at the fans - even though a few of them probably were offsides (although I personally never saw any of that, but I'll take her word for it that it happened at least a little bit) - but I do respect her frustration at having a bad "Star Wars Experience". It must he tough to get all excited about becoming part of this great big huge cultural thing beloved by millions, getting your own action figure, all of that... and in the end, your character ends up being "Jar Jar Level" in the eyes of the fans and nobody buys your action figure because of how much they dislike your character. That has to suck.

But that was all on Disney.

[CyberCubed]

She definitely looks better now:

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/23/fe/64/23fe64dd00a103764ce7c146fdc2ac85.jpg

Hollywood trainers work wonders, she definitely lost a lot of weight and now fits the usual "hourglass" Hollywood figure.

If she looked like this in the film she would have done better, at least visual wise. Her hair style in the film didn't help matters either. :lol:

[frank_one]

In the movie she looked like those unpopular girls you had in your class at school who still let their mothers chose their clothes and their hairstyle. Then you meet them five yars later and they are super hot. If only you would have known!

[Andrew NDB]

I've always thought Kelly Marie Tran is super attractive.

She definitely looks pretty hot in that picture, but yeah, in the movie itself she was definitely "puffy". The outfits didn't help.

I think it was more the hairdo they gave her. The feathered/tapered sides sort of accented the width of her head/face.

I don't respect the way she lashed out at the fans

Or cried herself into therapy over it (which we're reminded about almost any time she's giving a new interview or questioned about Star Wars). Weird and sad, and not in a sympathetic way.

[Andrew NDB]

So for the 2 people who still care... Matt Smith never actually shot his mystery role:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/matt-smith-on-his-scrapped-skywalker-role/

[sdp]

I've been reading some of the tidbits of how Lucasfilm has tried fixing some of the mistakes of the sequel trilogy, basically giving background of who Snoke was and how he was manipulated by Palpatine and basically making it so that it makes sense that he shows up in the last movie. I mean it's something and does make the movies make more sense. They still suck but counting that these movies will always be canon and there's always going to be new star wars content, it's best to just try to make the most sense out of this wreck. At least it's now socially acceptable to say the sequel trilogy sucked, no amount of culture wars could save the sequel trilogy from that unanimous decision.

[Sumac]

If I was Disney, first step: I'd fired Kennedy for being an idiot who made a billion-worth trilogy without anything resembling coherent plan and nearly ruined reputation of the series with her dumb and haphazard actions.

Second step: stage some cosmic retcon to kick sequel trilogy out of timeline. Not necessarily eliminating Rey, Finn and co completely, just make those events non-canon.

[sdp]

bums me out that butthurt Gen X nostalgia goggles ******s drove George Lucas away and let Disney ruin the entire franchise