Star Wars: Episode IX

[snake]

I feel the most for Hamill out of everyone. He's such a nice guy that he's repeatedly retracted negative comments in an attempt to damage control, but you can tell he's still hurt as a fan.

I'm more or less over the entire franchise. All of the "what-ifs" and "what-could-have-beens" hack away at any saving grace the sequel trilogy may have had in the first place. In the end, I'm just burned out and bummed out. Star Wars was such an integral part of my childhood that I thought could never steer me in the wrong direction. I grew up in the "movieless" era from 2007-2012 too, but funnily enough, that's when the franchise was at it's peak. The Clone Wars was airing and drawing in new fans such as myself, the toys were being made at a high quality and rapid pace, and the movies themselves were being solidified as all-time-classics, even the prequels- regardless of how you feel about them- were becoming iconic.

Everything really did change when Disney bought the franchise in 2012. I wish I could go back.

[Andrew NDB]

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

[Vegita-San]

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

completely agreed.

As much as I thought that 7 had the wrong story, it was a fun enough movie and the new characters where not that bad.

8 destroyed all that.

[Sumac]

Not superbig fan of Star Wars, but a big fan of good movies and particularly good space movies. There are not much movies like this and I really hoped that SW could feel the void, but Disney wasted it, replacing (some semblance of) originality with commercial hollowed repetition and pandering to the Internet mobs.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hate to say it... but as much crap as I talked about TFA... there were ways to springboard off of that into better stuff. 8 was the make or break it point. There's never been a trilogy in history that has been "saved" by the last installment.

Which, if JJ somehow is able to do that... wow. I will give credit where it is due. But... yeesh.

Episode 7 wasn't good, but it had good potential for future movies and character development.

Then somebody decided to let Rian Johnson off the chain and... whoo boy. WHOO BOY.

Back to the Future, Star Wars (either Episodes I-III or Episodes IV-VI), Dark Knight, Raimi's Spiderman, Indiana Jones, X-Men (original or DOFP), Terminator, Alien...

Historically, you start off decent, your sequel is a huge smash, and your trilogy conclusion isn't as good. Can't think of a single trilogy where a decent movie is followed by a terrible movie and is then followed by a good movie.

Once you're off the rails, it's all downhill until the reboot.

[sdp]

Episode 7 was a rehash that crapped on the originals, it would've needed a lot of work to fix that. I don't think 8 was THAT bad, it was bad but what made it worse is that it cemented the horrible take that Ep.7 established of empire v rebels and now there's no real going back. The only point in 8 I felt excited for the direction of the franchise was when Kylo told Rey, "Forget the past", no empire, no rebels it was finally something new even if the rest of the movie had been trash, but then they go "LOL JK, I'm bad you're good".

I'll watch 9 to see how it ends but I'm not expecting to like it or for JJ to fix anything, I just want to know how they finish this franchise killing trilogy. I'll talk what I think of the trailer and I'll post my complains after watching the movie but yeah that's about it. I'm over Star Wars, I think I'll still get nostalgic for the OT, maybe some prequel stuff, will check out some SWs stuff from time to time but I don't really consider myself a fan, more of a "I loved it before Disney but now I don't like it that much". I'll also try not to sound too much of a broken record, I'm sure I posted a variant of this information in this same thread a few more times, it's the HUGE star wars fan inside me that died that makes me comment when knowing it's over, like stalking an ex's instagram after they break up with you. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

If it was me, and 7 remained 7 but we're gearing up for 8:

8 should've been... the New Republic stops dicking around and marshals their fleet, letting the "Resistance" drop the veil of anonymity/plausible deniability and just rejoin the New Republic armed forces proper. Make it, like, the opposite of TESB... with the good guys/the sleeping giant awakened, chasing the First Order down like dogs. Then while Rey is getting her training and such with Luke, we begin to get the sense that... maybe the New Republic isn't so great, either, and Kylo is able to pull a coup and take over the First Order while Snoke escapes or something. At the end, have Rey go full evil! Hell, maybe she even kills or badly wounds Luke -- but in a proper fight!

Then Episode 9: Kylo trying to redeem Rey, the First Order fighting the New Republic full-on (WAR!). Lots of big family drama, reveal Rey is Luke's kid with a woman who kept it secret from him (who we then meet). Kylo talks sense to Rey, they both take on Snoke and win (alternately, if Luke is still around, big battle with Luke vs. Snoke). At the end, big peace treaty between New Republic and First Order... maybe they even coalesce into one new thing. Big John Williams music at end with Leia and the First Order reps signing documents and everyone cheering. Have Rey kiss Finn, f*** it.

Also... hint something about alien scouts being spotted throughout various sectors... but it being relegated to mere rumor. Something to stew the pot for X in 10 years.

[Andrew NDB]

Poster revealed. Knights of Ren are in it. And that's probably Keri Russell's character (that will likely be Rey's mom).

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-episode-ix-promo-poster-leaks-online-finally-revealing-the-knights-of-ren-and-more-a167428

[ZariusTwo]

First Order Part Two: RamPO

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Poster revealed. Knights of Ren are in it. And that's probably Keri Russell's character (that will likely be Rey's mom).

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-episode-ix-promo-poster-leaks-online-finally-revealing-the-knights-of-ren-and-more-a167422?fbclid=IwAR0R_r3_wCq9Nw90Q2wixbQwFQKaRKTve Nkmb2z6Jn1LpLTneB4ez9X5r90

RED stormtroopers?

Fvcking brilliant.

[oldmanwinters]

If it was me, and 7 remained 7 but we're gearing up for 8:

8 should've been... the New Republic stops dicking around and marshals their fleet, letting the "Resistance" drop the veil of anonymity/plausible deniability and just rejoin the New Republic armed forces proper. Make it, like, the opposite of TESB... with the good guys/the sleeping giant awakened, chasing the First Order down like dogs. Then while Rey is getting her training and such with Luke, we begin to get the sense that... maybe the New Republic isn't so great, either, and Kylo is able to pull a coup and take over the First Order while Snoke escapes or something. At the end, have Rey go full evil! Hell, maybe she even kills or badly wounds Luke -- but in a proper fight!

Then Episode 9: Kylo trying to redeem Rey, the First Order fighting the New Republic full-on (WAR!). Lots of big family drama, reveal Rey is Luke's kid with a woman who kept it secret from him (who we then meet). Kylo talks sense to Rey, they both take on Snoke and win (alternately, if Luke is still around, big battle with Luke vs. Snoke). At the end, big peace treaty between New Republic and First Order... maybe they even coalesce into one new thing. Big John Williams music at end with Leia and the First Order reps signing documents and everyone cheering. Have Rey kiss Finn, f*** it.

Also... hint something about alien scouts being spotted throughout various sectors... but it being relegated to mere rumor. Something to stew the pot for X in 10 years.

Sounds like a movie worth watching!

[Andrew NDB]

Disney pulled it! It's gone already.

Also, some character sheets. I wonder why no Rose Tico?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-episode-ix-leaked-images-reveal-lando-calrissian-new-character-names-and-costumes-a167427

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Disney pulled it! It's gone already.

Also, some character sheets. I wonder why no Rose Tico?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/star_wars/star-wars-episode-ix-leaked-images-reveal-lando-calrissian-new-character-names-and-costumes-a167427

She is a strong and powerful character. Can't wait for her TV series.

Rose and the Power of Love: A Star Wars Story

[Leo656]

I really hope her character died off-screen. What a wasted roster spot.

[Andrew NDB]

A very "important" character whose actress courageously fought mobs on Instagram about. Because of her we can have similarly "important" conversations about race!

[Leo656]

And whose action figure has the distinguishing "achievement" of clogging up more pegs than any other in all of Star Wars history! :lol:

Seriously. More kids bought f*cking Jar Jar. Think about that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And whose action figure has the distinguishing "achievement" of clogging up more pegs than any other in all of Star Wars history! :lol:

Seriously. More kids bought f*cking Jar Jar. Think about that.

I'd actually love to see real numbers on that.

X number of Rose Tico action figure sales.
Y number of Jar Jar Binks action figure sales.
Z number of, I dunno, Wicket the Ewok action figure sales.

That'd be very, very interesting.

[Leo656]

Everybody loves Wicket, man. Y'all trippin'.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Everybody loves Wicket, man. Y'all trippin'.

The entire Ewok race deserved to be fed into the Death Star trash compactor.

You really need to lay off the LSD if you like Ewoks, mano. :tlol:

[Leo656]

They're fine. I've never understood why people got so bent about that.

That's another thing I went my whole life never hearing anyone complain about, until The Internet, and now EVERYONE hates Ewoks and always has. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They're fine. I've never understood why people got so bent about that.

That's another thing I went my whole life never hearing anyone complain about, until The Internet, and now EVERYONE hates Ewoks and always has. :lol:

I hated Ewoks before I knew what the internet was, back when I was a Star Wars fan and didn't know what Star Trek even was. My hatred is real and eternal.

[Leo656]

I'm sorry for whatever a random Ewok did to you that has caused such a deep well of sorrow within you, child.

Not my favorite part of the movie but they're hardly something I think about often enough to be bothered by. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm sorry for whatever a random Ewok did to you that has caused such a deep well of sorrow within you, child.

Not my favorite part of the movie but they're hardly something I think about often enough to be bothered by. :lol:

Eh, I've moved on. Now I hate Janeway evolving into a salamander with that latent, all-consuming fire.

...

Come to think of it, maybe Star Wars isn't so terrible after all. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, I've moved on. Now I hate Janeway evolving into a salamander with that latent, all-consuming fire.

I still say that wasn't that bad, or even bad at all.

[Leo656]

Only in that I think Janeway's kinda hot, and thinking of her having at one time had lizard genitalia screws that whole thing up.

That woman has a handsome jawline, though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At least the literature side of Star Wars had plenty of weird sh!t.

Jedi Hutts, weird crystal star cult things... I dunno, I actually stopped reading before I got to that book. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

At least the literature side of Star Wars had plenty of weird sh!t.

Jedi Hutts, weird crystal star cult things... I dunno, I actually stopped reading before I got to that book. :tlol:

I... owned it and skimmed over it. Sort of like the Courtship of Princess Leia.

[Vegita-San]

i'd rather have janeway show up at my door than 7. yeah, I said it. although b'elanna was more my bag.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I... owned it and skimmed over it. Sort of like the Courtship of Princess Leia.

I actually liked that one okay. Seemed a little 90's, with Force witches riding Rancors, but it was entertaining at least.

I think the Thawne trilogy was still the highlight for me. I petered out with my readthrough around... I think the Corellian trilogy? I stopped before starting those. I had too many other, better and more interesting, books to read.

[Andrew NDB]

i'd rather have janeway show up at my door than 7. yeah, I said it. although b'elanna was more my bag.

Janeway wasn't unattractive but her voice... eh, never sat right with me. Seven of Nine I never found super hot.

B'Elanna, yes! Absolutely.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

i'd rather have janeway show up at my door than 7. yeah, I said it. although b'elanna was more my bag.

You are out of your gourd, good sir. Though Voyager wasn't lacking in the looks department with any of its female crew.

[Andrew NDB]

I actually liked that one okay. Seemed a little 90's, with Force witches riding Rancors, but it was entertaining at least.

I think the Thawne trilogy was still the highlight for me. I petered out with my readthrough around... I think the Corellian trilogy? I stopped before starting those. I had too many other, better and more interesting, books to read.

I think by the time of the Corellian Trilogy I was just buying the novels to have the novels, and officially just skimming through them. Then "Vector Prime" dropped, as did my interest entirely. Pretty sure that's the last SW novel I ever bought.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think by the time of the Corellian Trilogy I was just buying the novels to have the novels, and officially just skimming through them. Then "Vector Prime" dropped, as did my interest entirely. Pretty sure that's the last SW novel I ever bought.

That was the start to the whole "big bad alien race from beyond the galaxy's edge" storyline, right? The Force-immune guys?

[Andrew NDB]

That was the start to the whole "big bad alien race from beyond the galaxy's edge" storyline, right? The Force-immune guys?

Yeah, that's the one.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, that's the one.

I didn't make it that far, but I was expecting to like it. I'm curious, why didn't you?

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't make it that far, but I was expecting to like it. I'm curious, why didn't you?

To be fair, I don't think it was because of anything inside. By that point I was suffering from SW novel fatigue... it was fine when there was, like, 1.5 books out a year, but when they started doing all the Vector Prime stuff and simultaneously books between the prequels, X-Wing books, etc., it was just way too much to keep up with so I threw my hands up and walked away.

I think the last SW books I straight up read read was the Thrawn duology, "Specter of the Past" and "Vision of the Future."

[snake]

As the resident expert on Star Wars, I can confirm that it looks like sh*t and I have basically no desire to even see this movie.

[Leo656]

I was unpacking some boxes recently, and I came across my Official Star Wars Encyclopedia that I proudly purchased waaaay back in... 1999, maybe? And I couldn't help but feel sad knowing that like 90% of what's inside of it doesn't count anymore. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was unpacking some boxes recently, and I came across my Official Star Wars Encyclopedia that I proudly purchased waaaay back in... 1999, maybe? And I couldn't help but feel sad knowing that like 90% of what's inside of it doesn't count anymore. :lol:

Is that the illustrated "Guide to Ships/Characters/etc?" I frickin' loved those. Wish we had the Star Trek equivalent.

[Leo656]

Nah, but I might have one of those too.

It's the big, $65 hardcover Official Encyclopedia that covers "everything" - movies, novels, comics, etc. etc.

I also have a smaller, softcover "Official Guide to the Star Wars Universe" but it doesn't go into anywhere near as much depth.

That reminds me, I need to update that "Books" thread in the DF, since I recently unearthed a bunch of them. Bet'cha thought I forgot.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nah, but I might have one of those too.

It's the big, $65 hardcover Official Encyclopedia that covers "everything" - movies, novels, comics, etc. etc.

I also have a smaller, softcover "Official Guide to the Star Wars Universe" but it doesn't go into anywhere near as much depth.

That reminds me, I need to update that "Books" thread in the DF, since I recently unearthed a bunch of them. Bet'cha thought I forgot.

I used to have the Official Trek Encyclopedia, but it ended at, I think, Season 5 of Voyager. They later came out with an update, but the update was rereleasing the original paired with an auxiliary volume instead of actually updating the first one. It was weird.

Only $65? Sounds like a steal!

[Andrew NDB]

I used to have the Official Trek Encyclopedia, but it ended at, I think, Season 5 of Voyager. They later came out with an update, but the update was rereleasing the original paired with an auxiliary volume instead of actually updating the first one. It was weird.

Right? How weird. How hard would it have been to just update the previous stuff? I wish they'd do another one.

[Leo656]

Might've even been $75, I gotta check.

[CyberCubed]

Janeway's voice always struck me as a "Grandmother voice" which is why she felt too old for people even when she was young.

[Leo656]

Some people are just like that. I used to think Mary Steenburgen was way older than she was, because even when she was younger she looked and sounded like she was in her 40s. It's weird.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Janeway's voice always struck me as a "Grandmother voice" which is why she felt too old for people even when she was young.

I dunno, I'm too used to the voice by now to have a problem with it. But I see where you're coming from.

[Roseangelo]

Why is this thread talking about Star Trek instead of the big-ass bow caster C-3PO is holding in the "poster" that got leaked today.

[Andrew NDB]

Why is this thread talking about Star Trek instead of the big-ass bow caster C-3PO is holding in the "poster" that got leaked today.

My first thought was "uh oh... R.I.P., Chewie."

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Hey, if they ever do kill Chewie, they will never be able to top how the expanded universe killed him; dropping a planetary body on the galaxy's most awesome wookie!

Lol... I can't believe EU Chewie actually died by being MOONED! :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Why is this thread talking about Star Trek instead of the big-ass bow caster C-3PO is holding in the "poster" that got leaked today.

It's rather telling more people would rather discuss the worst Trek show of the 90s than the worst trilogy of the SW franchise.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why is this thread talking about Star Trek instead of the big-ass bow caster C-3PO is holding in the "poster" that got leaked today.

Because Cylons doesn't follow the Drome's first rule. :trazz:

Do you guys think Episode 9 will really kill off Chewie, too? Pretty brutal trilogy, if so.

"Hey, gang, remember all your favorite characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? WELL WATCH THEM ALL DIE!!!!"

[Andrew NDB]

Because Cylons doesn't follow the Drome's first rule. :trazz:

Do you guys think Episode 9 will really kill off Chewie, too? Pretty brutal trilogy, if so.

"Hey, gang, remember all your favorite characters from the original Star Wars trilogy? WELL WATCH THEM ALL DIE!!!!"

You're assuming they're going to kill off Leia because her actress died. Stop doing that.

Although technically you could say the same of the OT, vs. the PT. Everyone from the PT died in the OT. Like, everyone aside from the droids.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I've got pretty much no interest in Episode 9

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You're assuming they're going to kill off Leia because her actress died. Stop doing that.

Although technically you could say the same of the OT, vs. the PT. Everyone from the PT died in the OT. Like, everyone aside from the droids.

How else do you handle Carrie Fisher's death? They can't use Leia going forward. And Disney isn't just going to stop making Star Wars movies; that's leaving all the money on the table.

Maybe if they were only trying to finish this trilogy, yeah, they could leave Leia alive off-screen. Or maybe if the Sequel Trilogy had never gone back and made Han, Luke, and Leia such integral players in the current movies.

But making more and more movies, and always leaving Leia off-screen with no resolution? I don't buy that.

[Andrew NDB]

How else do you handle Carrie Fisher's death? They can't use Leia going forward.

There is no going forward. Even if they make Episode X, it won't be for 10 years or so... and she could've easily died between trilogies.

How else? Many ways. I have no idea what footage they're using of hers other than the big "addressing the Republic" cut scene from 7, but it's not hard to imagine how they could sprinkle her throughout 9 and somehow still have her "preside" at the end. Not super satisfyingly, but it seems sounder to me than, "The actress died so we must KILL the character! Let's start plotting her DEATH!"

I doubt the idea at any point was ever, "All OT characters must be DEAD by the end of this trilogy!"

But making more and more movies, and always leaving Leia off-screen with no resolution? I don't buy that.

They don't need to give her a "resolution." They just need to give her stuff to do. Apparently they have, somehow, in this.

If they ever use Leia in post-Episode IX stuff it'd probably be CGI/animated crap anyway. And even when they have the actual actors and actresses alive to reprise parts, they usually don't anyway.

[Xav]

I doubt the idea at any point was ever, "All OT characters must be DEAD by the end of this trilogy!""Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to".

[neatoman]

I remember hearing rumors about Rey mirroring Padme's role in this movie, that Kylo knocks her up through the force and then dies giving birth to the baby. Sounds idiotic and doubt it'll happen, especially given the potential backlash.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, Lando's in this movie, and it's fairly unlikely Billy Dee will ever play the character again after this. Does that automatically mean they're going to kill him off in this? No, that's dumb.

[CyberCubed]

We'll get an Episode X another 30 years from now when Rey/Finn/Poe are middle age to continue the Star Wars cycle for another generation. But at the rate Disney is going with milking they may do another mainline trilogy in only 15 years time or less.

[Andrew NDB]

We'll get an Episode X another 30 years from now when Rey/Finn/Poe are middle age to continue the Star Wars cycle for another generation. But at the rate Disney is going with milking they may do another mainline trilogy in only 15 years time or less.

I say 10 years. It was 10 years between Episode III and Episode VII. I think Disney accepts that as the minimum "cool down" period between trilogies.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I say 10 years. It was 10 years between Episode III and Episode VII. I think Disney accepts that as the minimum "cool down" period between trilogies.

Was it really only a single decade? Wow.

[CyberCubed]

It seems extremely weird to think the gap between Episode III and Episode VII was only 10 years...but it was from 2005-2015. For some reason they feel an entire lifetime apart. I'm not even sure why that is, 2005 didn't feel that long ago when 2015 hit.

I mean after Episode III nobody ever believed there would be any live-action Star Wars movie in theaters ever again. It's hard to believe it was only 10 years later...for some reason it feels closer to 20 years. God the early/mid 2000's really flew by.

[Andrew NDB]

It seems extremely weird to think the gap between Episode III and Episode VII was only 10 years...but it was from 2005-2015. For some reason they feel an entire lifetime apart.

I dunno... speak for yourselves, that seems like a blink of an eye to me.

[CyberCubed]

Fun fact: Batman Begins came out in 2005 and Batman V. Superman came out in 2016....it's about the same timeframe and those movies/reboots feel a lifetime apart.

[snake]

I’m with Cubed on this one, possibly because I was only, like, 4 in 2005.

[Andrew NDB]

I’m with Cubed on this one, possibly because I was only, like, 4 in 2005.

You're like 18? No way.

[snake]

17, actually. I’m surprised you’re unaware of this lol. I joined this place when I was 11.

[Andrew NDB]

17, actually. I’m surprised you’re unaware of this lol. I joined this place when I was 11.

I thought you were like 40, or older.

[snake]

I hope that’s a joke. :lol:

Do I really give off that middle aged man vibe?

[Andrew NDB]

I hope that’s a joke. :lol:

Do I really give off that middle aged man vibe?

I think I've been looking at variations of your Snake avatar for so long, mentally I imagined you as some kind of seasoned, ex-military dude.

[Candy Kappa]

Shush snake, you're still 11. I'm too old to grasp that you're soon eligible to drink.

[snake]

Almost legal, too!


If only Plastron-Cafe weren’t decomposing in her crypt right now.

[CyberCubed]

Funny, I joined these forums a little after I originally turned 17. I didn't expect to still be here as a middle age man over a decade later.

[sdp]

Well I saw the poster and well it looks like an Episode VII poster, talk about a cluster**** of a trilogy, now everything that happened in VIII will kind of sort of be ignored and they'll go back to the road that VII started, I don't even know what to think.

I want to like Star Wars again but even going back to 7, I didn't like what they built, hell the only thing i liked about 8 was the "forget the past" theme which they ignored and 7 definitely ignored. I think between all 3 movies fans might be able to make 1 good sequel movie we can call Episode VII.

It seems extremely weird to think the gap between Episode III and Episode VII was only 10 years...but it was from 2005-2015. For some reason they feel an entire lifetime apart. I'm not even sure why that is, 2005 didn't feel that long ago when 2015 hit.

I mean after Episode III nobody ever believed there would be any live-action Star Wars movie in theaters ever again. It's hard to believe it was only 10 years later...for some reason it feels closer to 20 years. God the early/mid 2000's really flew by.

It does feel like a lifetime ago since Episode III, I think because it was the end of an era and for years Lucas swore there would never be a sequel trilogy.Fun fact: Batman Begins came out in 2005 and Batman V. Superman came out in 2016....it's about the same timeframe and those movies/reboots feel a lifetime apart.

Batman Begins still feels somewhat fresh to me though, same with The Dark Knight. Oddly enough Rises does seem older to me.

[Xav]

I mean, Lando's in this movie, and it's fairly unlikely Billy Dee will ever play the character again after this. Does that automatically mean they're going to kill him off in this? No, that's dumb.The first two movies in the trilogy killed off a legacy character. No doubt the new one will do the same.

[Andrew NDB]

The first two movies in the trilogy killed off a legacy character. No doubt the new one will do the same.

I'm not saying you're wrong... but they completely shut down and regrouped after Fisher died. It's anybody's guess about... anything now.

[Leo656]

Seriously, how bananas is it that the actors for the OT characters are all alive, but their characters are dead (or about to be, let's be real), and the ONE character who's still alive, the actress is dead?

This sh*t couldn't have been booked any more screwy if goddamn Dixie Carter AND Vince Russo spent an entire weekend trying to prove me wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

Seriously, how bananas is it that the actors for the OT characters are all alive, but their characters are dead (or about to be, let's be real), and the ONE character who's still alive, the actress is dead?

I loved the comment from the Red Letter Media guys.

"It's like someone shot John Lennon, McCartney and Ringo all in one night." Whoops!

[Leo656]

:lol: That's wonderful.

[Andrew NDB]

Title might be "Skywalkers."

https://www.aintitcool.com/title-star-wars-ix-81951/

[ZariusTwo]

I love that their source is named after an obscure-as-f*ck 90s UK cartoon character:lol:

Nice to know Ain't It Cool's still around, browsing that was my jam fifteen years ago.

[neatoman]

Title might be "Skywalkers."

https://www.aintitcool.com/title-star-wars-ix-81951/

Hm... Let's see here:


Shmi, dead
Anakin, dead
Luke, dead
Ben, never used the name
Leia, never used the name and won't turn up after this movie


Odd.

[Andrew NDB]

I love that their source is named after an obscure-as-f*ck 90s UK cartoon character:lol:

Nice to know Ain't It Cool's still around, browsing that was my jam fifteen years ago.

It's barely. Harry got #metooed into hiding after it allegedly turned out he was playing grab ass with ladies 19 years ago.

Hm... Let's see here:


Shmi, dead
Anakin, dead
Luke, dead
Ben, never used the name
Leia, never used the name and won't turn up after this movie


Odd.

And Rey. Bet.

[Andrew NDB]

"Will of the Force." Maybe.

https://cosmicbook.news/star-war-episode-9-title-will-force?fbclid=IwAR0qMzAH1MT-LN188ZMOUe5l_g4jvrgmDBBQaK026RIN2Rqm4ij4lDHPIi4

Sounds legit to me.

[Vegita-San]

it'd sound nice if it had any reason to get excited about it.

[sdp]

I have to admit I'm excited to see the trailer, in a way I want to be surprised or intrigued. Even if the movie underdelivers. TFA had amazing trailers, TLJ not so much. Rey, Finn, Kylo, Phasma are all such great character designs with tons of potential and the trailer sold you on them. As I've posted a dozen times I doubt 9 will fix the mess already made but at least the trailer can sell me on the fantasy.

With all the negativity TFA had that even their "if you don't like TFA you're _____" social media strategy worked I think Disney rethought on what to do .

[Andrew NDB]

Well... Episode IX does have the advantage of coming to the table with everyone's expectations at pretty much 0. If it even delivers a little tiny bit good, that'll be way more than most are expecting.

I also really hate how so many articles are calling this "The conclusion of George Lucas' Skywalker trilogy of trilogies." He obviously has nothing to do with these awful ones, barring whether or not the rumor he was brought on to help in some advisory capacity in this one is true.

[ZariusTwo]

All Star Wars movies will go on hiatus after Episode IX

https://www.superherohype.com/movies/443617-disney-says-star-wars-movies-are-going-on-hiatus-after-episode-ix

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[Vegita-San]

I can't help but wonder how much of the stadium was filled with either plants, or lucasfilm loyals to help make it look good.

I can't imagine this many people still being happy, or caring for star wars these days.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/JGIUcJr.png

[Andrew NDB]

adzYW5DZoWs

That IS Palpatine laughing at the end, yes?

And wow, what a weird title. Putting characters' last names into the title? Bad form.

[Autbot_Benz]

I can't help but wonder how much of the stadium was filled with either plants, or lucasfilm loyals to help make it look good.

I can't imagine this many people still being happy, or caring for star wars these days.

well believe it there are plenty of people who still enjoy everything star wars who don't constantly whine about everything. So shut up you windbag

https://i.imgur.com/ODMWwWX.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

adzYW5DZoWs

That IS Palpatine laughing at the end, yes?

And wow, what a weird title. Putting characters' last names into the title? Bad form.

holy **** my body is ready

[Vegita-San]

Ahh, the Duplicity of autbot never ceases to amaze me. whines about the same things, and then says i'm the whiner.

that stupid title alone is basically them saying 'we know we ******* up'.

They had ZERO plan on this from the begining. the whole sequel trilogy started with 'lets make the hero a girl, and go from there'. that was literally it.

now this is where we are. RIP star wars.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

adzYW5DZoWs

That IS Palpatine laughing at the end, yes?

And wow, what a weird title. Putting characters' last names into the title? Bad form.

Fvcking weird.

So can we take this as confirmation that Rey is, in fact, somehow the child of Skywalker?

I dunno. Looks fine. Won't watch it.

[Vegita-San]

adzYW5DZoWs

That IS Palpatine laughing at the end, yes?

And wow, what a weird title. Putting characters' last names into the title? Bad form.

WTF....is that supposed to be death star wreckage at the end?
and yes, pretty clearly palpatine.

[Andrew NDB]

So can we take this as confirmation that Rey is, in fact, somehow the child of Skywalker?

What else could they possibly do to make her relevant at "the end of the Skywalker saga"? Of course she's going to be a Skywalker.

Yeah, Death Star wreckage. Death Star I or II, though? And... why? And... how?

Maybe they'll make it like Palpatine "inhabited" Snoke... and now he inhabits someone/something else. I wonder Ian McDiarmid's whereabouts the last year or so...

[ZariusTwo]

WTF....is that supposed to be death star wreckage at the end?
and yes, pretty clearly palpatine.

So they are using elements of the original story treatments of Force Awakens then, as those early drafts involved an underwater mission to explore the Death Star remains.

Also, this means all three trilogies have ended in movies beginning with "R"

[Turo602]

Was hoping it was gonna be called Rise of Rose. She was the best thing about The Last Jedi.

[Autbot_Benz]

Was hoping it was gonna be called Rise of Rose. She was the best thing about The Last Jedi.

https://i.imgur.com/rxoHpNF.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Also, this means all three trilogies have ended in movies beginning with "R"

Nope, this one begins with a "T."

I never heard that about Death Star remains. I do remember that Daisy Ridley said that JJ told her that yes, Rey is Luke's kid, but that that could change depending on what they do in VIII and IX and who's in charge. But it's JJ again in IX, so of course she's Luke's daughter.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What else could they possibly do to make her relevant at "the end of the Skywalker saga"? Of course she's going to be a Skywalker.

Yeah, Death Star wreckage. Death Star I or II, though? And... why? And... how?

Maybe they'll make it like Palpatine "inhabited" Snoke... and now he inhabits someone/something else. I wonder Ian McDiarmid's whereabouts the last year or so...

Nope, this one begins with a "T."

I never heard that about Death Star remains. I do remember that Daisy Ridley said that JJ told her that yes, Rey is Luke's kid, but that that could change depending on what they do in VIII and IX and who's in charge. But it's JJ again in IX, so of course she's Luke's daughter.

I was wondering if Rian Johnson's stuff had done irreparable damage to that plot point.

And it IS the only way to make Rey relevant and tie this whole $hit show together.

[Andrew NDB]

And it IS the only way to make Rey relevant and tie this whole $hit show together.

Cue the SJWs and articles whining about "Rey is a strong womyn, she doesn't need to be a Skywalker to matter!!" etc., any time now.

[Vegita-San]

how much do you want to bet they are going to try and rectify ALL the complaints in this one movie?

for instance, a scene where Rey gets REAL/Completed training and gets instructions from qui gon, yoda, luke, and anakin?

[Vegita-San]

Cue the SJWs and articles whining about "Rey is a strong womyn, she doesn't need to be a Skywalker to matter!!" etc., any time now.

considering Disney probably sponsored most of those articles.. depends on how much they are truly trying to rectify the past leadership.

but, probably alot of them, yeah.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, Death Star wreckage. Death Star I or II, though? And... why? And... how?

So it'll be II's. And they specifically will go to the Emperor's chamber, underwater.

http://www.thegreenlanterncorps.com/ds.jpg

[snake]

Lol so boring.

[Andrew NDB]

"Remember Palpatine?"

[newfan]

I had liked the idea of Rey being Palpatine's bloodline at the start for some reason, cause Luke seemed too obvious. Signs point to Luke though, less Han and Leia hid a daughter for some reason, but not sure why they would do that but keep their son...so less likely. As for the title, what if it just means Ren goes back to the good side, so becomes a skywalker again. That would suck, not him doing that, just it being the reason or the title.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I had liked the idea of Rey being Palpatine's bloodline at the start for some reason, cause Luke seemed too obvious. Signs point to Luke though, Less Han and Leia hid a daughter for some reason, but not sure why they would do that but keep their son...so less likely. As for the title, what if it just means Ren goes back to the good side, so becomes a skywalker again.

For some reason, when I first read this, I read "unless Luke and Leia hid a daughter for some reason." :teek:

Too much of Game of Thrones, methinks. :tlol:

[newfan]

For some reason, when I first read this, I read "unless Luke and Leia hid a daughter for some reason." :teek:

Too much of Game of Thrones, methinks. :tlol:

:lol: Well that would be a reason to hide her.

[Andrew NDB]

less Han and Leia hid a daughter for some reason

That wouldn't make her a Skywalker, that would make her a Solo.

Ren goes back to the good side, so becomes a skywalker again. That would suck, not him doing that, just it being the reason or the title.

Same deal. He was never a Skywalker.

[newfan]

That wouldn't make her a Skywalker, that would make her a Solo.



Same deal. He was never a Skywalker.


I was thinking more the bloodline but yes, he wouldn't have had the name.

[neatoman]

adzYW5DZoWs

That IS Palpatine laughing at the end, yes?

And wow, what a weird title. Putting characters' last names into the title? Bad form.

Are you implying that Palpatine is still alive or that his demise was part of his 7D Force Chess?

[Autbot_Benz]

Are you implying that Palpatine is still alive or that his demise was part of his 7D Force Chess?

It was confirmed by someone at lucasfilm that Palpatine is back in some way or form as Ian Mcdiarmid came on the stage right after the star wars trailer ended

[CyberCubed]

I don't think he's still alive, but ghost Palpatine Vs. Ghost Luke would be something to see.

[Andrew NDB]

My guess is that Palpatine will be inside a new body (just like he was in Snoke's, I bet) played by a different actor... but maybe at a certain point we hear McDiarmid's voice coming out of the body.

Also, can we all assume that Rey rebuilt the Anakin lightsaber now?

[Andrew NDB]

... so it looks like Ian McDiarmid is straight up playing Palpatine? In the flesh? Not just a voice?

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2019/04/12/jj-abrams-confirms-emperor-palpatine-return-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-episode-9/?fbclid=IwAR2JYPuzpPypRfgv6FTpWFfNZXKXqw4GFWZnfJgE 5vQuat60bDu9oe57kFU

[CyberCubed]

Well he's likely a ghost, I doubt he's been alive all this time as I said above. I don't know if Force Ghost Luke Vs. Palpatine will be something cool or sound like something from some 12 year olds fanfiction, but who knows...they could pull it off. Can ghosts even harm each other? lol

[ranger_scout]

The teaser trailer provided practically everything I was hoping to see. Lando is finally back and we got a glimpse of Leia's presence. I had a feeling that they wouldn't show Luke as a force ghost or something like that just yet.

[Andrew NDB]

So yeah, Lucas really did become involved in IX. At least, early on. And it was his idea to bring back Palpatine.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/4/george-lucas-helped-jj-abrams-with-episode-ix-script-and-even-came-up-with-the-idea-to-include-palpatine

[Turo602]

The lack of R2-D2 in the trailer annoys me. C-3PO seems to be more involved this time around, which it's about damn time, but we're still missing R2-D2. They were a big part of both trilogies, always accompanying the heroes and even saving them and their antics were just a very charming part of Star Wars in general, and the way they've just taken a back seat this trilogy has never sit well with me.

[Andrew NDB]

The lack of R2-D2 in the trailer annoys me. C-3PO seems to be more involved this time around, which it's about damn time, but we're still missing R2-D2. They were a big part of both trilogies, always accompanying the heroes and even saving them and their antics were just a very charming part of Star Wars in general, and the way they've just taken a back seat this trilogy has never sit well with me.

To be fair, they barely even showed the actual sequel trilogy people. The only goal here was "the feels."

Although... even on that note you would think they'd include an R2 moment.

Anyone else pick up on them trying to recreate the famous original Episode I trailer? "Every generation," etc..

Seeing a lot of speculation that "The Rise of Skywalker" doesn't refer to a person or the family (or it could also, dually)... but rather the name of what replaces the Jedi Order. i.e., after IX if you're a "good" Force user and want to register yourself, you are a Skywalker. Could be. And that would make the title sit better with me.

[Turo602]

Seeing a lot of speculation that "The Rise of Skywalker" doesn't refer to a person or the family (or it could also, dually)... but rather the name of what replaces the Jedi Order. i.e., after IX if you're a "good" Force user and want to register yourself, you are a Skywalker. Could be. And that would make the title sit better with me.

That's funny, I just finished telling my brother that same exact thing. Because we had Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith, so naturally, I thought maybe the third film in this trilogy would be titled around the Knights of Ren, but since it's Skywalker and not Skywalkers, and the last film was The Last Jedi, it just makes sense that Skywalker is going to be the new name for the Jedi. So even though the Skywalker family story is wrapping up, their legacy will go on through different people, meaning Rey might not even be a Skywalker herself, just someone who adopts the name.

[neatoman]

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[sdp]

This trailer did something I didn't think it could do, it got me excited for the movie. I doubt it'll be a great movie, it looks like it's going to do everything it can to salvage the sequel trilogy but that is at least an apology from Disney.

Bringing back the Emperor might be cheap but if the explanation is decent, then you might have a reason as to why Empire v Rebels has continued, the Emperor was still pulling the strings. Retcon Rey to a skywalker and instantly she'll be far more interesting and redeemable, have Finn become someone, Kylo do something interesting, Phasma is too late for her but maybe even her. Everyone else like Poe, Rose etc no one cares about.

[Andrew NDB]

This trailer did something I didn't think it could do, it got me excited for the movie. I doubt it'll be a great movie, it looks like it's going to do everything it can to salvage the sequel trilogy but that is at least an apology from Disney.

I don't know if it got me "excited" for the movie, but it did kind of put a smile on my face. And that Leia shot was sure a cheap shot for emotion if I ever saw one... it worked, of course.

Bringing back the Emperor might be cheap but if the explanation is decent, then you might have a reason as to why Empire v Rebels has continued, the Emperor was still pulling the strings.

I admit, I never thought they'd do that, but it makes a lot of sense.

Also, don't forget... it was originally Lucas' idea to end Episode IX with the Emperor fight. Originally. It wasn't until pre-production of Return of the Jedi that he sort of merged and simplified all the big elements in VII-IX into VI.

I wonder who the big bad would have been in Lucas' 2012 outlines for VII-IX.

Retcon Rey to a skywalker and instantly she'll be far more interesting and redeemable

It wouldn't even be really a retcon. How would Kylo f***ing Ren even know who the parents were of some random kid from Jakku?

have Finn become someone, Kylo do something interesting, Phasma is too late for her but maybe even her.

Man, that's a lot.

Kylo I'm not too worried about. He's probably the most interesting character in these movies and it's not too hard to give him something "big" to do in this.

Finn, probably at some key moment I'd reveal he has Force potential. What else can you do with him, really?

Poe, who even cares? He's like, Angry Wedge Antilles. There's a reason you don't see whole scenes written around Wedge.

Everyone else like Poe, Rose etc no one cares about.

There's no reason to care about them. So far they just seem like ideas of characters, not actual living, breathing characters.

[newfan]

I know it means he was never truly destroyed in Jedi but I do also like that Palpatine is back, given how things turned out with Snoke, someone needs to be the big threat (though I liked Andrew's idea that he was in Snoke's body all that time). Also, it's another character from the original trilogy, with few left it would seem more removed as a conclusion.
Sad that Lando never got to reunite with any of the 3, more so Han or Leia but glad to see him make an appearance.


As with others, my interest has lifted a little at least.

[Andrew NDB]

(though I liked Andrew's idea that he was in Snoke's body all that time).

The only way this gets hairy is the interviews when Last Jedi was coming out about, "Snoke is definitely not a Sith."

But obviously this was before they had any idea what they were doing in Episode IX. There is nothing in-movie about Snoke not being a Sith.

Sad that Lando never got to reunite with any of the 3, more so Han or Leia but glad to see him make an appearance.

Yeah, with the sequel trilogy, I had a small checklist of things I was most looking forward to seeing. A new scene with Luke and Han in it and Han hanging with Lando one more time were on it.

I keep seeing stupid articles about Ben/Kylo Ren "reclaiming" the name Skywalker. He never had it! Even if he's not Ben Solo because apparently Han never married Leia (or did he?) and ran off to be a smuggler because nostalgia, he'd be Ben Organa. Is there any official consensus on what's his legit last name?

[newfan]

The only way this gets hairy is the interviews when Last Jedi was coming out about, "Snoke is definitely not a Sith."

But obviously this was before they had any idea what they were doing in Episode IX. There is nothing in-movie about Snoke not being a Sith.



Yeah, with the sequel trilogy, I had a small checklist of things I was most looking forward to seeing. A new scene with Luke and Han in it and Han hanging with Lando one more time were on it.

I keep seeing stupid articles about Ben/Kylo Ren "reclaiming" the name Skywalker. He never had it! Even if he's not Ben Solo because apparently Han never married Leia (or did he?) and ran off to be a smuggler because nostalgia, he'd be Ben Organa. Is there any official consensus on what's his legit last name?

So far as changing Snoke, I mean with different writers and having to come up a change for this movie the story with him can be changed, as you said, especially if it (and not a lot else) was confirmed about Snoke in the movies.


As for the original cast, I mean it was a big thing them coming back after all these years, only having Han and Leia reunite (in person I mean as Luke was a projection) is disappointing.

As for Ben, unless he names himself cause he is all about 'grandfather', however that is his dark side being all about Vader not Skywalker. I'd rather it was something else too the title meaning that is. They may yet surprise us, though I'm not sure there are many options to go with.

[CyberCubed]

Unless I missed her in the trailer, I didn't see Rose at all. We know she's in the movie because her actress signed on, but I really wonder if her role is severely reduced to minor character. I'd be shocked they'd do that because she's the only prominent Asian character in the movie, and it might cause some backlash to see a female Asian minority get sidelined due to how she was received in The Last Jedi. She wasn't a good character but it isn't the actress fault, it was the poor dialogue and role for Rose.

As for Poe? I think he's fine for what he is. He's a hot headed fighter pilot, and a good friend of Finn, what more do you need? Not every character needs to have this tragic backstory or layers of depth. He's fine as a support character.

[sdp]

I'm sure Rose will make a fine background character, that's who she was in TLJ even if she had a ton of screentime. I'm sure there'll be plenty of complains about poor female minorities and that the alt-right won but who cares people will always whine about political stuff no matter what the movie makers do.

Poe should very much have been someone more interesting, they tried to sell us on Finn, Rey and Poe as the new "trio" of the trilogy and they've done a very poor job at it 2/3rds in. Counting we only have one movie and tons of things to fix, Poe should be left off as a bland character, we already sacrificed too much time in TLJ to absolutely nothing. Finn on the other hand had tons of potential and while TLJ spat on him, yeah have him become force sensitive in TROS and do something there.

A whole movie fixing the details that don't make sense can help patch up this trilogy which I thought was impossible but looking at all that came out the last few months Disney was in panic mode and began to listen to the complains and adjusting their plans which even if a bit too late for a kick ass trilogy is still a win.

Explain how Snoke was this puppet of the Emperor, hence how he got the power so quickly but still went out like a loser. Luke needs to return as a ghost, maybe explain how the dark side in him to defeat Vader in ROTJ corrupted his judgement and training.

[MikeandRaph87]

What do you all make of the idea that Skywalker will be a Neo-Jedi as in rise of Skywalker?

[AquaParade]

I need someone to tell me that The Mandalorian will get a home release at some point. Like a Blu-ray or 4K.

I’m already hook, line, and sinker for Disney+, but this is something I’d like to own.

You think there’s a chance?

[sdp]

Some of Netflix original shows have dvd releases and Star Wars nerds love physical, Disney while not perfect has released plenty of their stuff on dvd, I think it's likely.

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian, I'd rather have the live action SWs that Lucas had made but I went from not caring anything about it to "Well, Disney seems to be listening so it could be cool". I'm sure I'll check it out eventually. With "all of the SWs movies on Disney+", I wonder if the Ewok films, they're star wars films after all. The Ewok and droid cartoons would be another big plus for me as would the original Clone Wars shorts.

[Andrew NDB]

What do you all make of the idea that Skywalker will be a Neo-Jedi as in rise of Skywalker?

Kind of already talked about that here. Seems like a reasonable prediction. Rebuilding the Jedi Order as the Jedi Order when the Jedi Order proved to be seriously flawed wouldn't make much sense. So they make something new... the Skywalker Order, or whatever. You're not a Jedi, you're a Skywalker now.

I'm sure Rose will make a fine background character, that's who she was in TLJ even if she had a ton of screentime. I'm sure there'll be plenty of complains about poor female minorities and that the alt-right won but who cares people will always whine about political stuff no matter what the movie makers do.

Rose has been shown in BTS stuff on set, so she's definitely in there. Nothing suggests her role in it is much bigger than, say, Billie Lourd's in either episode, though.

Explain how Snoke was this puppet of the Emperor, hence how he got the power so quickly but still went out like a loser. Luke needs to return as a ghost, maybe explain how the dark side in him to defeat Vader in ROTJ corrupted his judgement and training.

I'm still thinking it might be revealed that Snoke was Palpatine. That's really the only way to retcon some value to even having Snoke around at all.

I bet the farm there will be Force Ghost stuff galore. Luke of course, more Yoda, Kenobi and even Anakin. Hayden's presence at the Star Wars Celebration along with McDiarmid's probably wasn't a coincidence.

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian

Have you seen the footage from the Star Wars Celebration of it that leaked today? I've been "meh" on this show so far... but it looked really amazing.

[Mayhem]

Have you seen the footage from the Star Wars Celebration of it that leaked today? I've been "meh" on this show so far... but it looked really amazing.
And it had to leak because the Celebration live stream blanked it out on the screen as they apparently were not allowed to broadcast it online :roll:

[AquaParade]

Some of Netflix original shows have dvd releases and Star Wars nerds love physical, Disney while not perfect has released plenty of their stuff on dvd, I think it's likely.

I'm not crazy on The Mandalorian, I'd rather have the live action SWs that Lucas had made but I went from not caring anything about it to "Well, Disney seems to be listening so it could be cool". I'm sure I'll check it out eventually. With "all of the SWs movies on Disney+", I wonder if the Ewok films, they're star wars films after all. The Ewok and droid cartoons would be another big plus for me as would the original Clone Wars shorts.

Good points. The Star Wars community is made up of many adults, from a generation who may still highly appreciate physical content. I guess I'd have to count myself among them. I mean, hey, look at me Disney. I'll pay for this product twice! With the subscription and for a 4k release.

My fear is that Disney will go so hard on "+", that they won't want to allow any other possible way to see The Mandalorian. Hopefully in good time though.

[Andrew NDB]

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-backtracking-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/280494/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-backtracking-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/280494/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents

https://img.memecdn.com/brace-yourselves-gifs_fb_970167.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

http://i.imgur.com/OYi9JD4.gif

[ZariusTwo]

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-backtracking-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/280494/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents

The more upset the shill access media get over this, the better

[CyberCubed]

Rey's parents being reverse retconned into important again would be the dumbest change. It will be eyerolling when we find out she's connected to Palpatine/Obi-wan/Luke, etc. Expect a "I'm your father" line from J.J. Abrams as a crappy nostalgia throwback in the movie.

[Vegita-San]

Apparently 'Rise of Skywalker' means nothing. they just wanted a title that 'evoked emotion'.

god, these people are complete idiots.
supposedly at celebration, no one looked excited talking about ep 9 either.

[Leo656]

They have to try and fix all the mistakes from two movies in one "finale" AND remind anyone why they should still give a single sh*t about anything this franchise does going forward.

I don't think they have it in 'em, frankly.

On the plus side... Daisy Ridley, sweaty and breathing heavy. I could use a little more'a that in my life.

[MikeandRaph87]

I did not know where to drop this, but I got a kick out of Mark Hamill's impression of Harrison Ford. It is approximately from 1:00 to 3:00.
onMm0DLg8CE

[Metalwolf]

If Rey did ever turn oit to be a Skywalker, I know one good thing will definitely come out of it: It will get rid of the gross Reylo shippers.

[oldmanwinters]

If Rey did ever turn oit to be a Skywalker, I know one good thing will definitely come out of it: It will get rid of the gross Reylo shippers.

It is never that easy.

[sdp]

If Rey did ever turn oit to be a Skywalker, I know one good thing will definitely come out of it: It will get rid of the gross Reylo shippers.

The ship will actually increase in popularity if that happens.

[Andrew NDB]

Here it comes:


"Disney may be backing off from everything that made The Last Jedi good."

https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-backtracking-last-jedi


"Why Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Shouldn’t Change Rey’s Parentage"

https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-wars/280494/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-rey-parents

More. "Don't Retcon Rey into a Skywalker":

https://www.tor.com/2019/04/22/hey-star-wars-episode-ix-dont-retcon-rey-into-a-skywalker/?fbclid=IwAR2GFQQlkkG4LK6wF29t6LZlQiIIOkBdDXi7dJOn PCOgc2OkfkuLa3mrgQs

[Leo656]

"Don't do the only thing that can make this sh*tty new story make any sense at all."

Nerds are terrible.

[Andrew NDB]

"Don't do the only thing that can make this sh*tty new story make any sense at all."

Nerds are terrible.

It isn't coming from a nerdy place. Once SJWs figured out that Rian Johnson was doing a big liberal agenda-based deconstruction of Star Wars -- and making Rey a "nobody" was a big part of that -- they're in lockstep with the whole thing.

i.e., redistribute all wealth so we're equally poor; if Rey is a nobody can lead a Star Wars film as an uber Jedi, then anyone can! And so on. Making her a Skywalker offends people in this way of thinking.

[Leo656]

Eh. Either way, insufferable.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It isn't coming from a nerdy place. Once SJWs figured out that Rian Johnson was doing a big liberal agenda-based deconstruction of Star Wars -- and making Rey a "nobody" was a big part of that -- they're in lockstep with the whole thing.

i.e., redistribute all wealth so we're equally poor; if Rey is a nobody can lead a Star Wars film as an uber Jedi, then anyone can! And so on. Making her a Skywalker offends people in this way of thinking.

This is it exactly.

These people aren't Star Wars nerds, they're Social Justice Extremists. (Not SJWs, which is #1 a cliche, and #2 not always a bad thing.) But they're willing to sacrifice story on the altar of public relations and cultural "importance", and THAT is the cardinal sin.

Rey could be awesome in good movies, like Princess Leia. Rey could be awesome in mediocre movies, like Prequel Obi-Wan. But instead, she's the holy icon in this PR back-and-forth with a terrible Star Wars movie as the battleground.

"OMG, women in leading roles! Horrible!" "OMG, men hate women in leading roles! Horrible!" And on and on.

[Leo656]

At least Daisy Ridley is hot.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At least Daisy Ridley is hot.

It doesn't hurt, that's for sure.

[sdp]

A couple of days ago Mark Hamill tweeted out a "missed opportunities" tweet that had a photoshopped pic of Luke/Leia/Lando/Han all together from their appearances in the sequel trilogy and yeah that's what everybody wanted to see, we all got goosebumps when we saw the trio reading the script together when EP7 was announced. And yet people with a political bias were still defending TLJ and calling Hamill wrong.

Like 3 days ago the official page tweeted out "Would you rather be in the Resistance or the First Order?" And politics found its way to the poll with users replying how those who voted for the first order were literal nazis and fascists. I guess comic conventions can now only have jedi and no figures of the bad guys can be had?

Kind of sucks that politics has spilled over so much into the media that we love. And man that photoshopped picture Mark Hamill tweeted, if only....in an alternate world where Lucas didn't sell Star Wars to diseny.

[newfan]

Yeah I saw the Hamill tweet, guy isn't allowed to miss his friends? A lot of people would have liked them all together again, doesn't make them trolls, some of them may even have liked the movies but still felt they would have loved that.

[sdp]

^I edited my post a little since I realized my main point was going to be missed and the likes of Vegita-San would go on rants for a few pages which doesn't help things.

[newfan]

^I edited my post a little since I realized my main point was going to be missed and the likes of Vegita-San would go on rants for a few pages which doesn't help things.

Okay, deleted the quote part on mine.
Though my post came off from one angle with this particular thing, the issue is all round.

[Vegita-San]

^I edited my post a little since I realized my main point was going to be missed and the likes of Vegita-San would go on rants for a few pages which doesn't help things.

Oh please. You're ranting about the same exact thing. own up to it.

[sdp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5VQPhgX4AAPry6.png

I've been in the Star Wars mood lately, can't wait for 9. I don't think the wounds have healed from the sequel trilogy, I know after TLJ I thought I"d never care for the franchise again and while I'm interested again I don't think even if 9 is an apology the damage is already done and I'll never be as passionate as I once was but I might still be able to enjoy it.

Okay, deleted the quote part on mine.
Though my post came off from one angle with this particular thing, the issue is all round.
Ah, that wasn't necessary, just wanted to clear things up as to why i edited my post :tgrin:

Oh please. You're ranting about the same exact thing. own up to it.

The key difference is I don't go all the way to the other extreme.

[Vegita-San]

you're there. but like autbot, sounds to me like you're trying to play both sides..or just not ready to admit that you've 'crossed over'....

you're post read exactly like someone who hates SJW stuff would read.

[ZariusTwo]

May 4th is now OFFICIALLY Star Wars Day following a vote in California to recognise it

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/california-makes-it-official-votes-declare-may-4-star-wars-day-1206925

[ZariusTwo]

22 tie-ins for Rise of Skywalker

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/art-of-rise-of-skywalker-1024x948.use_.jpg#main

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/05/04/22-star-wars-books-leading-up-to-rise-of-skywalker-are-coming/

[ZariusTwo]

Star Wars movies will resume in 2022 with the first of the new trilogy, and will alternate every Christmas with Avatar sequels

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-avatar-star-wars-marvel-1203207661/

[sdp]

Figures, not excellent but slightly better than their original annual star wars strategy (https://miscrave.com/articles/annual-star-wars-spin-offs/) or hell maybe more than one per year a la MCU. At least they realize some cool off period is good. Just make it something entirely different from Empire v Rebels and I may get excited.

Weird how Universal has realized this more with their Jurassic World franchise.

[Vegita-San]

qnOSKPy3AD8

[sdp]

Forbes: Disney Could Lose In A Box Office Battle Between 'Star Wars' And 'Aquaman 2'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/05/13/aquaman-star-wars-avengers-avatar-batman-superman-captain-america-disney-box-office/amp/
Aquaman earned $812 million outside of North America last year, making it the biggest solo superhero flick ever in the unadjusted foreign box office. That’s also more than Rogue One ($524 million) and The Last Jedi ($712 million). Disney’s Star Wars movies have arguably overperformed in North America while playing closer to “normal-good” everywhere else. Even Solo earned $214 million domestic, which would have translated to an arguably okay $612 million worldwide on a more conventional 35/65 split. Aquaman earned very good DC Films business (right between Suicide Squad, Batman v Superman and Wonder Woman) domestically while overperforming in China to push it past $1 billion. If Last Jedi can earn $1.33 billion right while Jumanji 2 earning $942 million, then theoretically Aquaman 2 and “new Star Wars” can coexist.


How did Aquaman did that well? Did people mistake him for a Marvel hero?

[Leo656]

Massive increase in women worldwide buying movie tickets, I imagine.

You have seen homie's abs, right? To most chicks I know, $20 or so is a pittance to pay in exchange for two-plus hours of Soaking-Wet Shirtless Khal Drago.

I wish I were kidding, but I've personally witnessed female conversations in which they claim/admit that they went to see that movie at least twice, just to ogle. I'm all like, "Hey, Google Image is free, and it ain't like the dude's a big fan of wearing shirts, anyways," but nobody listens to me.

[Vegita-San]

yet, women aren't as bad as men.. they just aren't :)

-sarcasm-

[ZariusTwo]

First look from Vanity Fair

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/star-wars-cover-story?utm_medium=social&mbid=social_twitter&utm_brand=vf&utm_social-type=owned&utm_source=twitter&verso=true

[CyberCubed]

One thing I notice is Rey barely looked aged in these films, Daisy Ridley looks exactly the same as she did back in 2015 (make it 2014 when they were still filming). I liked how in the original trilogy Luke Skywalker looked visibly aged by Episode 6, but we know that's partly because of his accident after the first movie and also because the original films were short years apart from 1977-1983.

These new movies feel like they all take place right after each other. It makes Rey's "progression" feel less obvious when she looks the same in all 3 movies. Even Anakin had noticeable aging from Episode 2 to 3 and it was the same actor only 3 years apart.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Cubed, you DO realize the original trilogy was only filmed over a period of six years, right? That's not really very long. That entire trilogy came out roughly two years per film, and at the time, that was actually fairly fast. But in any case, six years is hardly a long time in an actor's life.

[Leo656]

Cubed's new gimmick is only posting easily-disproven statements about Star Wars. :lol:

Plus you know this cat and time. 6 years may as well be 60. It is what it is. :trazz:

[Vegita-San]

Cube and realize are like .... i'll let you finish that one ;o)

apparently if a person doesn't age in one year, they've aged really well ;o)

[snake]

She changed a lot IMO.

That coke-bloat in TLJ was visible as f*ck.

[sdp]

I'm not hating what I'm seeing, just wish we could've had it in Episode 7 and not waste two movies rehashing storylines. I think by the time the sequel trilogy is over someone can make a good Episode 7 with fresh ideas using a cut of all 3 movies.

[Leo656]

She changed a lot IMO.

That coke-bloat in TLJ was visible as f*ck.

Y'know what's scary? I was watching "Empire" on cable the other day, and then I was reading some article about TLJ, with pictures, and holy sh*t, Carrie Fisher ended up with like 87% more nose than she had in her 20s. :lol: Not quite Artie Lang-levels, but definitely not attractive. Especially since Johnson insisted on so many EXTREME close-ups of her face despite the fact that it really wasn't flattering in any way. Brrrr. Anti-Bueno.

Drugs are bad, kids.

People hate me because I still look exactly like my Freshman yearbook photo. I'm like "I'unno what you want me to say, man. I don't smoke cigarettes, I don't take pills, I don't stick sh*t up my nose and I only drink on holidays or weekends." The rest takes care of itself. Like, I'm pretty well dead inside, but I remain outwardly beautiful. :trazz: Aside from my tattoos, picking out which photos of me are from 2000 and which ones are from last week is pretty tough. So I don't think a person HAS to look entirely different after years or even decades, it's about how many miles you put on yourself.
Taking care of oneself isn't difficult. You just have to have a little pride in yourself.

Of course, I also don't have kids, so I guess that's cheating. Nothing's worse for you than having kids, I swear to God. May as well trade in your face for a crumpled wash rag. I seen it, man. And I don't recommend it!

[sdp]

Too bad Rey won't have an iconic sexy outfit like Leia & Padme because of Disney and PCs.
http://www.boletodecine.com/files/images/foto%20inside.jpg
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/264016138935_/Hasbro-Star-Wars-Slave-Princess-Leia-Unleashed.jpg

[Leo656]

Too bad Rey won't have an iconic sexy outfit like Leia & Padme because of Disney and PCs.
http://www.boletodecine.com/files/images/foto%20inside.jpg
https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/264016138935_/Hasbro-Star-Wars-Slave-Princess-Leia-Unleashed.jpg

I'unno, I still think she's kinda sexy.

I seen a video of her working out one time and it kind of left an impression.

I also seen her naked in something but she was playing a corpse, so I kind of don't dwell on it as much as I probably should.

I'unno, I dig her. I just think she's been given absolute sh*t to work with in this, but I don't blame her for it.

[sdp]

I'm not saying she's not attractive, just won't have an iconic sexy outfit. I like her normal outfit a lot and the one in TLJ too. I do think if she was simply Rey Skywalker she'd be more liked in general because all her B.S. abilities would at least have an explanation.

I think we're getting the movie we all wanted to see back during Episode VII. I'm excited even if disappointed it took the failure of TLJ for Disney to realize this and messing up the sequel trilogy forever.

As to why the actors don't look like they've aged much, well the 3 movies were basically filmed in less time than it took Lucas to make 2 movies. The previous trilogies were 3 years apart so 9 years and these were made in 5 years, nearly double the time for the actors to age.

[Leo656]

It's probably for the best that we'll never see Daisy Ridley in a Slave Leia bikini. I personally don't think I could take it.

Especially if she had her hair down, and was doing that "Sweaty, heavy-breathing" thing they love to show her doing in every trailer for every movie.

I'm only human, after all.

[sdp]

I wouldn't want a slave outfit, that's already been done. Padme just had her shirt ripped but it's super iconic, she looks badass:

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f6/8c/66/f68c664fb99d863cb6325e601d675b81--star-wars-people.jpg
I'm not a designer, best example I could find on google was something as simple as this:
https://pm1.narvii.com/6267/22c967c21d6ab9869061849404fe17313a58ddc4_hq.jpg

I mean star wars was inspired by A Princess of Mars and the previous movies have paid tribute to it. Hell now that I think about it even Disney's John Carter had Dejah Thoris in an iconic sexy outfit that worked perfectly to show Dejah even if it was not the skimpy metal one she's supposed to wear that inspired Leia's metal bikini:

http://i1.wp.com/thejohncarterfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Screen-shot-2011-12-22-at-6.27.58-AM-e13245727676601.png?fit=580%2C325

#Disneyhatesnavels #poorprincessjasmine

[Leo656]

Y'know, people don't like to give George Lucas nor "Attack of the Clones" credit for much, but I will say this: They managed for a brief moment to make Natalie Portman look genuinely attractive and not like an anorexic drama club kid. That took effort.

She and Angelina Jolie top the list of "Chicks The Magazines Have Spent 20 Years Telling You Are Hot, But Really, They Should Eat Something Right Away Before They Pass Out". Except Angelina Jolie was actually once VERY hot, but it was 1997. Natalie Portman's only ever been "hot" in that one scene, from that one movie.

Again, AOTC gets sh*t on a lot, but points for that one thing, at least.

[sdp]

They did a great job with outfits for Padme, I especially love the ones from Episode 1, they felt so alien. But she changed clothes all the times during the trilogy and it worked for her character since she was royalty. Even her flippin' death scene had her in an outrageous outfit
http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/wallpaper/vaiwa/3.jpg
http://i0.wp.com/www.whitehotroom.com/wp-content/uploads/inspo_padme1.jpg?resize=800%2C600
http://i0.wp.com/www.whitehotroom.com/wp-content/uploads/inspo_padme2.jpg?resize=800%2C600

[Leo656]

They definitely went far beyond with the costuming for her, I'll give 'em credit for that. :lol:

Especially since if they'd filmed it nowadays, she'd just be wearing green saran wrap covered with ping pong balls, and all of those elaborate outfits would be CGI'd in post.

[Barkworm]

Of course, I also don't have kids, so I guess that's cheating. Nothing's worse for you than having kids, I swear to God. May as well trade in your face for a crumpled wash rag. I seen it, man. And I don't recommend it!
The other day I noticed that my wife has become Rogue from the X-Men hairstyle wise within three years so I'm backing up this statement.

[Leo656]

The other day I noticed that my wife has become Rogue from the X-Men hairstyle wise within three years so I'm backing up this statement.

All the chicks I wanted to bang in high school now have kids, and in turn, look like the Moms of the chicks I wanted to bang in high school. :lol:

It's a little depressing.

[Mayhem]

and in turn, look like the Moms of the chicks I wanted to bang in high school. :lol:
I'm guessing the "wanting to bang" part attributes to the chicks, not the moms here? :lol: you never know though...! :P

Considering TLJ took place immediately after the end of TFA, then the characters not looking like they aged is continuity appropriate. Whereas there was a three year gap between ANH and ESB, as the Rebels abandoned Yavin IV, fled across the galaxy and went into hiding again.

[snake]

Felicity Jones is easily the hottest woman they’ve cast in a SW film.

[Vegita-San]

make solo2 happen.. those poor saps.....

[sdp]

I'm afraid to re-watch TLJ, so much horrible stuff that I didn't even pay attention to because I was mad of recycling the rebels v empire story but if I rewatch it i'd hate it. But it also had cool stuff, I liked all these kylo scenes, it had me excited until they pulled a "j/k it's rebels v empire again"

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hell this AMV makes Kylo look awesome:
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I don't know, somehow the sequel trilogy can be salvaged a little bit.

The current rumor is that Rey is Ben/kylo's sister somehow, I would actually really like that, unsure how they can explain it but I'd like that.


Out of the pictures released, I'm glad that the knights of ren will play a role finally, the mystery helmet girl looks badass, rey v kylo looks cool. I only hate that Finn has a new love interest I"m guessing? Who is that black chick? People hated Rose so now they give him a new partner? I'm a Finn x Rey fan, can't believe they're not going to let that happen. Reylo wincest? no thanks.

[snake]

Sdp, you're showing more enthusiasm for this project than the people behind it, so congratulations?

[Andrew NDB]

rey v kylo looks cool

Why are they even fighting, again? Like, if I were to see them clashing again right now... why should I root for him to be beaten?

Such a weird couple of movies. I have no idea who the bad guys are or what they even want or their motivations.

[oldmanwinters]

Such a weird couple of movies. I have no idea who the bad guys are or what they even want or their motivations.

I was really confused in Force Awakens, as it seems like the ex-Rebellion has now been the galactic order for decades but the new *"Third Order" just burst onto the scene after covertly building a planet-sized Death Star. Then, despite losing the plant-sized Death Star, the *Third Order was established as dominant before the start of Last Jedi because... reasons? So now the handful of people who ran the Republic are now the Rebels again because... it sounds cooler?

EDIT: "First Order" because I just can't keep it all straight.

[sdp]

I'm not saying it isn't a mess, just trying to fix things the best way possible and hope they sort of implement similar ideas to fix them so at least the trilogy of trilogies of a series we've followed all our lives can have a somewhat decent ending and I think that's achievable even if not the greatest thing or what they could've done but whatever.

Why are Rey and Kylo fighting? One is bad the other is good, lame but if the rumors of both being skywalkers fighting to see where the balance of the force or whatever I guess that sort of works, the fight in the rain seems very Matrix Revolutions but something we haven't seen.

The official explanation from their crappy EU as to why the first order is dominant in TLJ is because even though their "NOT" a Death Star 3 from TFA was destroyed they destroyed the key planets holding the republic together I guess. Wish they could fix that somehow but the first order from Episode 7 was already a weak excuse as to how they'd survive, not really sure. Best way to explain it would be Palpatine still had ties in the Republic but let's see how they handle palpatine first before we can make that deduction.


I don't know maybe something cool can sort of come out of these movies. Definitely not looking forward to the new trilogy starting in 2023, doesn't feel long enough to shake off the bad taste from these movies.

[Andrew NDB]

The official explanation from their crappy EU as to why the first order is dominant in TLJ is because even though their "NOT" a Death Star 3 from TFA was destroyed they destroyed the key planets holding the republic together I guess.

I'm sure that's what they would go with, the few times they even remember there is a New Republic.

But the planets gone or not... it wouldn't be like the entire New Republic Fleet was all planetside. They'd all be in space. Where are they? Why wouldn't they immediately be marshaled together and integrate "the Resistance" into it proper, like immediately after the Starkiller attack?

[oldmanwinters]

Everybody will forever criticize Episode One for "trade disputes" but at least Lucas tried to build up a long-game explanation for how the Old Republic collapsed and opened the door for the Empire to make a coup.

The Sequel Trilogy just hopes nobody will care about motivation.

[Sumac]

I wasn't fun of all this Trade Federation stuff in Episode One, when I have seen it for the first time, since it felt like I was thrown right in the middle of the story, without any explanation on what is going on, but as the time went by, I have become more and more appreciative of it.

As for the ST, the whole goal of Disney was to capitalize on Nostalgia, instead of inventing something new. This why we have "Rebels" and "Empire" fighting each other. It was not about "let's make a great story!", it was "let's REmake a great story!". And while new movies are technically competent and sometimes fun, they certainly don't feel like they will become classics.

[snake]

People legit are too stupid to understand the political stuff going on in the prequels. It DOES make sense when you think about it, and it fleshes out the universe immensely. The problem is that the average Star Wars fan eats paint chips on the daily and can’t handle situations that require critical thinking. Example: Palpatine manipulating both sides of the war to put himself into power is apparently too hard of a concept for people to grasp.

There’s problems in the prequels, especially plotwise- but they at least make sense from a logistics standpoint.

[sdp]

What was the reason Kylo turned to the dark side again? Snoke did it? but how? why? Because Luke tried to kill him?

Why did Luke try to Kill Ben in cold blood while he was sleeping again? Just because he was afraid of the power and that'd he'd be a very powerful villain if he didn't stop him then?

There have to be better fan theories or official EU explanations by now right? Are there any? I'm not saying it's not still beyond stupid the decisions they made, I completely agree. Just trying to find the most feasible explanation for all of these things, with all the mental gymnastics people have done so far to justify things there has to be a better reason for those two right?

[Andrew NDB]

Lucasfilm's new logo:
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/lucasfilm-debuts-logo-celebration-national-pride-month/?fbclid=IwAR2UqlmEpE8CXCyM1xMaMn1oR_1M7AqxWY3mf2uc dz8-6cZhlONj5PVWevE

[neatoman]

Lucasfilm's new logo:
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/lucasfilm-debuts-logo-celebration-national-pride-month/?fbclid=IwAR2UqlmEpE8CXCyM1xMaMn1oR_1M7AqxWY3mf2uc dz8-6cZhlONj5PVWevE

OK, I bet you'll only ever see that Logo on the Lucasfilms website during june. Doub't it'll actually appear in any movies.

[Vegita-San]

pretty.. but it seems they just want to stir the pot some more...

[Autbot_Benz]

pretty.. but it seems they just want to stir the pot some more...

Or they just wanna show support during Pride Month :roll:

[Zulithe]

It's completely normal for companies to celebrate Pride in ways like this. It's been gaining steam in recent years as the importance of social media has grown, and companies feel more inclined to be clear about what they support or don't support.

And why shouldn't they have a Pridified logo, the data clearly shows that LGBT+ people lean towards higher education, so many of us find our way into the ranks of big companies like Lucasfilm where our contributions shine, and so participating in Pride is just one of the ways they show their solidarity and appreciation, not just to those valued employees but to LGBT+ fans, of which there are a great many.

Long-time Lucasfilm employee and SW megafan Steve Sansweet is gay, just to give one prominent example.

[sdp]

I thought steve sansweet left lucasfilm many years ago, not a great guy met him back when AOTC came out. This is all clearly a marketing ploy, doesn't really affect much, Disney star wars was ruined by bad decision in the story, not so much by the feminist agenda they were trying to push.

Still excited for this movie, this may very well be the last SWs movie I get this hyped for and see in theaters. It truly is the end of an era. Whether they succeed in making sense of the sequel trilogy, screw it up, or just barely patch up things to sort of make it work. It doesn't matter, it'll still be the end of this saga I've followed my whole life and some since the 70s/80s.

Sure newer movies might get me hyped up if they do things right and under the right hands we might get movies better than the prequel/sequel trilogies that match the original. But the skywalker saga is really going to end and unless we get an old woman Rey story in Episode X continuing the story in 20 years somewhow I just don't see how a story could match the expectations we had before.

Let's see what the second trailer for the movie offers, I guess it should hit sometime in august?


, the data clearly shows that LGBT+ people lean towards higher education, so many of us find our way into the ranks of big companies like Lucasfilm where our contributions shine,

wait what? what does higher education have to do to finding your way to lucasfilm :lol:

[Vegita-San]

someone at lucasfilm not nice? shocker.

there is a difference between pride and arrogance, right? :D

un related note. was passing the tv and heard someone say ' we gave all the jobs to women....' pause...realizes interviewer is black and adds 'and people of color'... oh eva longoria...you sounded just like kathleen kennedy looking for trophy claps :).

[Zulithe]

Oh, some people are of the opinion that Steve is not nice? Well hell, if that's all it takes to write someone off what chance do some of the haters in this thread have? :lol: I've listened to many podcast interviews with him, and video interviews, and he seemed nice enough to me.

He was there for 15 years (thus, long-time) rather he's a CURRENT employee is neither here nor there. It doesn't matter, I could list off every known LGBT+ Lucasfilm or Disney employee, past, present (future too probably) and the reactions would be the same.

I'm always excited for new Star Wars, though the first trailer for IX has me the less excited than the previous four film trailers. The Mandalorian, Galaxy's Edge opening, Clone Wars returning, upcoming comics/books, and the other Disney+ shows in development do have my interest as I think Disney-owned Lucasfilm has already given us good things and it looks like a lot more is coming. Not everything is going to be well-received, but Disney will keep throwing money and talent at it until something sticks, because that's how they've had so much success with so many other things.

And nothing arrogant in what I said. It's called adversity. You thrive or die, figuratively as well as literally. Imagine being in a really bad break-up and afterwards you feel lost and broken. You don't know what to do. You see your former SO doing well and it makes you feel even worse. What do you do in this situation? There is only one correct path: work on yourself. Focus on self improvement is the only way forward towards the next thing, because you can't control those other factors in your life that have brought you misery. Now, what if it were not just a breakup, which is a temporary situation, but your entire framework for existence? Then you may begin to imagine how some groups of people deal with it.

[ZariusTwo]

Shill harder:lol:

[ToTheNines]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/498/813/382.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/498/813/382.jpg

NINES! I love you, I miss you, and I need you in my life.

Come back to me... all is forgiven!

[Andrew NDB]

NINES! I love you, I miss you, and I need you in my life.

Come back to me... all is forgiven!

Right? That's my guy.

[ToTheNines]

Fellaaaaaaas. You know I miss the good old days. I’m married now, moved into a new house earlier this year, plus my industry is getting totally slammed with work and we’re chronically short handed.

I’ll try to make the cameos more frequent. But in my lurking, it’s pretty clear the mod situation is still clown town. So we’ll see.

[Vegita-San]

Fellaaaaaaas. You know I miss the good old days. I’m married now, moved into a new house earlier this year, plus my industry is getting totally slammed with work and we’re chronically short handed.

I’ll try to make the cameos more frequent. But in my lurking, it’s pretty clear the mod situation is still clown town. So we’ll see.

Jester got promoted, thankfully, so it evens things out a little with some sanity :).

[Andrew NDB]

Disney ordered to pay reparations to long-time SW fans: ;)

https://babylonbee.com/news/disney-ordered-to-pay-reparations-to-longtime-star-wars-fans?fbclid=IwAR3RPOkMk6A9kc5kZSdIxh6x2a2QUk9QVJXq c7tsblT_A6OxaqHxW99wImk

[Vegita-San]

yari, yari, such sad baka-s....

didn't realize that there where two onion sites :)

[Andrew NDB]

So there's going to be "Sith Troopers."

https://nerdi.st/2SeaZXw

Odd. Neither Snoke or Kylo were Sith... so Palpatine really does come back with a faction? Weird that the Sith itself would directly commingle with a military like that.

[Allio]

I forgot, but weren't there force using Troopers before?

Something like Shadow Troopers

[Andrew NDB]

I forgot, but weren't there force using Troopers before?

Something like Shadow Troopers

Dark Troopers in Dark Forces, you mean? Nothing to do with the Force, I think.

[Xav]

Shadow Troopers were enemies in Jedi Outcast. They were Dark Jedi in black Stormtrooper armor.

[Andrew NDB]

Shadow Troopers were enemies in Jedi Outcast. They were Dark Jedi in black Stormtrooper armor.

Oh, OK. None of that is canon anymore. Not that it ever really was.

[Xav]

Yeah I don't really care what's "canon". I'll still take the Dark Forces saga over Disney Star Wars, any day of the week.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah I don't really care what's "canon". I'll still take the Dark Forces saga over Disney Star Wars, any day of the week.

I feel you. But the EU is a whole barrel full of... I don't want to say nonsense, but... a whole lot of stuff. That doesn't really work well when stacked up together. Some gems, mired by a whole lot of... other stuff. And more stuff. And even more stuff. And probably more drama than your average daytime soap, pound for pound. I don't mind it being jettisoned when episodes VII-IX were made into being... I only mind that they were jettisoned for something of so lesser quality. Or no quality.

[Egon1982]

As a fan of the original trilogy (despite i have some big problems with Return of the Jedi but still good sequel and the last good SW film) for 33 years since i was 4 and enjoyed the Dark Horse comics and sequel books, i was let down by the prequels and the new movies as sometimes you can't strike lightning in a bottle twice and i wish George should had hired writers and directors to the prequels as George is much of a visual artist and idea man than director despite he did good in the first star wars called Star Wars (1977) but had someone rewrote his script for that movie by Willard Hyuck and Gloria Katz as people saw the script and said his dialogue is bad as he hired those 2 fellows to rewrite the script and even hired people to write Empire and Jedi despite he did co-write Jedi as he added the "Leia being Luke's sister" and Ewoks thing in the script.

The Last Jedi is the last stand for me for Star Wars.

It ripped out Star Wars' soul. The Last Jedi is a boring, wretchedly written, bitchslap in the face to the original trilogy and the new trilogy. It was Empire(And parts of ROTJ) without a heart. A total disappointment.

And there is no going back from this. It's actions and TFA's have made everything that the characters from the original trilogy fought for? Completely pointless. It turned Han and Luke into utter failures and made them a disgrace. Especially Luke. The way his character was written and portrayed in this film was pathetic and insulting.

**** the Last Jedi. It isn't Star Wars at all. It lacks the heart, the imagination and the wonder that made the franchise loved by so many. And it is an utter disrespectful travesty to all that have come before it. It is so ****** that it is surreal.

It offers nothing but misery, bland visuals, cringe-inducing lines of dialogue("You're scum. ... "Rebel Scum".), pathetic attempts at humor(Those Porgs which are as bad as Gunguns and Ewoks), forgettable action sequences, idiotic writing, and beyond boring pacing. Easily the worst film of the year 2017 for me personally and without a doubt the most infuriating.

Star Wars has no hope now. It has been lost in the path that The Last Jedi has chosen to take. Lost forever to never be seen again, just like the Jedi that returned all those years ago.

The Last Jedi is the new Alien 3. It will continue to have people defend it and say it is some amazing film that breaks new ground, while other fans of the franchise will say otherwise and mourn the loss of a franchise they held so dear.

Hence why there are so many articles and videos saying The Last Jedi is really some nuanced brilliant film and that people just didn't get it's genius and that it is underrated and that the idea of "letting the past die" and committing franchise suicide was ballsy and something that should be commended.

While people like myself are shaking their heads, and not understanding at all why anyone would be defending let alone downright praising such garbage. And despite all of the problems I do have with Alien 3? Even that movie is a better film than The Last Jedi is.

But it suffers from the same problem that The Last Jedi does. It has no respect for the films that came before it or for the franchise as a whole. In it's attempts to be shocking it rips the heart and soul out of the franchise and kills it.

Neither franchise to me will ever be the same. And The Last Jedi is just the next victim of the decision to break away so hard and fast from the past that the future dies along with it. Because both franchises will be trying in vain to make up for their mistakes with each new installment that gets released. Alien has been doing that since Alien 3 and now Star Wars will follow suit. Aliens to me was the last good Alien film and it and Alien are the only films worth a damn.

Luckily the strike against Disney star wars has began as Solo bombed luckily as i have no desire to see that, any spinoff movie or episode 9 as i'm burnt out on Star Wars to only stick to the original trilogy and i'm boycotting Disney Star Wars, luckily also the Star Wars land in Disneyland flopped too as i guess Last Jedi killed it for some fans and audiences.

[Sumac]

Alien 3 had great director and had a coherent story.

Last Jedi was few impressive moments tied by one of the most idiotic and stupid plots I've seen in blockbuster + boring beyond believe protagonists.
Arrogant director and marketing made it even worse.

[sdp]

I think we all feel in a similar way, I still hope this last movie can redeem the movies somewhat. Still I think this will be the last time I'm ever this into Star Wars no matter how well Disney handles it from now on.

Oh, OK. None of that is canon anymore. Not that it ever really was.
:cry:
Some gems, mired by a whole lot of... other stuff. And more stuff. And even more stuff

True, but so much great content there, for a more casual EU person, you could get some great stories. It's only when you dwelled deep into the EU where things were ridiculous as a whole. It really was best to take the few stories that worked for you and ignore the rest.

A shame Disney's EU couldn't just take that as a blueprint on what worked and what didn't to rebuild the EU, instead it's pretty much the same ridiculousness only without baggage and amazing stories.

[MikeandRaph87]

This suggest there is a rejected concept from the Extended Universe cannon that allows Luke to go back and forth between the living. Take it as you will.
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[Vegita-San]

This suggest there is a rejected concept from the Extended Universe cannon that allows Luke to go back and forth between the living. Take it as you will.
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If it's what I think, TECHNICALLY he did.

He was able to traverse his SPIRIT into a realm halfway between the living and dead... this was, he was able to easier communicate with spirits of his wife, Mara Jade, and 'darth cadeas' in a pool of spirits.. but it was rather dangerous for him to go there.

[snake]

Disney would never use

1. An EU concept

2. A somewhat new or interesting concept or application of force powers

These movies are cut and dry, plain as that. My prediction that literally nothing will happen in 9 just like literally nothing happened in 7/8 still stands.

[raph27]

Disney would never use

1. An EU concept

2. A somewhat new or interesting concept or application of force powers

These movies are cut and dry, plain as that. My prediction that literally nothing will happen in 9 just like literally nothing happened in 7/8 still stands.

I could see them bringing back Luke as damage control after the reaction to TLJ as a whole. Honestly, my biggest worry with IX is that after audience response to TLJ and box office dwindling of Solo, they'll play this one extremely safe, even more than TFA was. Abrams being back in the director's chair doesn't help that either.

[MikeandRaph87]

I don't know if its one those things where you see what you want type things because of all of the middle fingers that Johnson gave us, killing Luke is the one thing I cannot get past. I want Luke alive and will give Johnson the rest, but would this going between planes work and not take away from anything? Like I said its wishful thinking, but I was not aware of an extended universe concept where it was possible.

[Xav]

Disney would never use

1. An EU conceptYou mean like Leia and Han having a son who falls to the Dark Side?

[snake]

You mean like Leia and Han having a son who falls to the Dark Side?

If they wanted to use Jacen Solo, they would’ve flat out used him. They striped that concept of all nuance, importance, and depth- creating Kylo- a bootleg Jacen Solo that still somehow manages to be the most interesting thing in these sh*tty ass movies.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know if its one those things where you see what you want type things because of all of the middle fingers that Johnson gave us, killing Luke is the one thing I cannot get past. I want Luke alive and will

Luke was probably going to die either way. I'm not sure why people are so against Luke dying, he's like 60 years old or whatever.

[snake]

Luke was probably going to die either way. I'm not sure why people are so against Luke dying, he's like 60 years old or whatever.

It’s less Luke dying and more Luke dying amidst being shat on as a character and a giant middle finger being given to the OT’s themes and story.

[MikeandRaph87]

It’s less Luke dying and more Luke dying amidst being shat on as a character and a giant middle finger being given to the OT’s themes and story.

Yes, this.I assumed that he would die, but in the climax of Episode 9. Its the way he went out, projecting himself draining his life force.

[AT-Man]

RedLetterMedia made a prediction video about the episode IX, and one of their theories is it will have a time travel element that resets everything. But what if Luke's force ghost goes back in time to impregnate his grandma to give birth to Anakin? Would that be stupid enough?

[Andrew NDB]

RedLetterMedia made a prediction video about the episode IX

I watched it. I don't think any of that is coming true.

[Vegita-San]

RedLetterMedia made a prediction video about the episode IX, and one of their theories is it will have a time travel element that resets everything. But what if Luke's force ghost goes back in time to impregnate his grandma to give birth to Anakin? Would that be stupid enough?

I thought that was the entire reason Filoni invented SW's version of time travel in the first place. to give Disney an out, should they so choose, to reset the timeline back to the EU, or something new again..

[Mayhem]

Disney would never use

1. An EU concept
You mean like Leia and Han having a son who falls to the Dark Side?
Grand Admiral Thrawn appearing in Rebels also says hi here.

[snake]

Grand Admiral Thrawn appearing in Rebels also says hi here.

I meant in the ST. Tons of EU stuff made a comeback in, well, the new EU.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought that was the entire reason Filoni invented SW's version of time travel in the first place. to give Disney an out, should they so choose, to reset the timeline back to the EU, or something new again..

I really doubt that.

[Andrew NDB]

Rey not from Jakku:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/star-wars-rise-skywalker-leak-134700666.html

Also, might be a Palpatine contingency plan. That sounds fake and speculative, though.

[neatoman]

Rey not from Jakku

I mean... That was always obvious right?

[ZariusTwo]

Details on the Sith Troopers, where they come from and some info on their weapons

https://www.inverse.com/article/58234-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-9-leaks-sith-troopers-emperor-connection

[ZariusTwo]

New poster

https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC 8yNjMvNDk5L29yaWdpbmFsL3Jpc2UyLmpwZz8xNTY2NjY3ODY0

[MikeandRaph87]

Kylo Ren's helmet is back. I thought he beat it to disrepair because he was told he was hiding with the mask? Maybe that small detail will suggest repair to the disrespect of Rian Johnson.

[neatoman]

New poster

https://img.purch.com/h/1400/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC 8yNjMvNDk5L29yaWdpbmFsL3Jpc2UyLmpwZz8xNTY2NjY3ODY0

Palpatine looks like a CGI render from 1995.