Alan Ritchson says new movie "honors the origin story"

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Yeah, but he still used the Oroku Saki identity most of the time.

Why does that matter? He wasn't Saki. At that point it's just service? It wasn't his name. He wasn't even human. He wasn't Japanese. How can you defend one change then condemn another? You don't see the hypocrisy in your stance on this ... the change is the EXACT SAME THING.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

The film was targeted for kids as well and if you take him out of the equation, who can they relate to?....a big message it wanted to sell to the younger viewers was the importance of family, being able to do the right thing no matter what you have done in the past.

You can convey the message of family in a TMNT movie without the use of a made up character.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Xav

Maybe it's because those people haven't seen the story-arc were the turtles battle Eric Sachs and his black-ops army?

I'm sorry did you mean 21st century " FOOT SOLDIERS " ? Who knows maybe they did read the comics with the foot soldiers flaring ray guns around. Who knows how crazy they were about TMNT.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

The only reason i see is that the he had this idea of leo cutting Shredder's head and the network was "No,no we can't have that in a show for kids, find a way to fix it" So they turned him into an utrom...

i dont know if it possible with a pg-13 rating, but I would love to see something like it in this movie...

...imagine, the turtles going all out on shredder, leo finds the smallest opening, and lobs his head off, Shredder drops to his knees...they think its over, and all of a sudden he gets back up, wires, and sparks flying out from where his head used to be, the camera pans down, and we see a compartment open, and there it is...an Utrom.

Its possible, Fitchner remains tight-lipped about his character, and keeps saying that it goes through several evolutions, in previous interviews.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

You can convey the message of family in a TMNT movie without the use of a made up character.

Films try to give you characters you can relate to. It's true, it was the Danny Pennington Show, but even with that I still thought they did an excellent job letting you get to know each character a bit. Did you like some of it?

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

Films try to give you characters you can relate to. It's true, it was the Danny Pennington Show, but even with that I still thought they did an excellent job letting you get to know each character a bit. Did you like some of it?

Danny wasn't 1o minutes in the movie, the most...

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

Films try to give you characters you can relate to. It's true, it was the Danny Pennington Show, but even with that I still thought they did an excellent job letting you get to know each character a bit. Did you like some of it?

Yes, I didn't mind it. I stand by it not being necessary. You should be able to relate to the turtles on some levels. That's a bit of their charm. I'm playing devil's advocate in defense of this new film against the asinine critcisms. I didn't mind Danny, but sometimes I felt there was a little too much focus on him as a subplot.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Danny wasn't 1o minutes in the movie, the most...

We followed his tale as well though and it was more dominant then some of the other characters.

I think the film is almost perfect so I'm on the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Why does that matter? He wasn't Saki. At that point it's just service? It wasn't his name. He wasn't even human. He wasn't Japanese. How can you defend one change then condemn another? You don't see the hypocrisy in your stance on this ... the change is the EXACT SAME THING.

Oh brother.

The fact of the matter is the Saki persona still had a presence within the 2k3 show, from Ch'rell to the Tengu Shredder. If we saw straight from the beginning of the show in the first episode Shredder was an Utrom, and without no mention of Saki, then yes, I would be against it. But since we saw him as "Saki" the majority of the time, him being an Utrom is a minor complaint I have with that version.

From what we have gathered about this film, Saki is appearing no where, and to start a new TMNT film without him with someone else behind the mask, who isn't even an established TMNT character, is dumb. Not to mention disappointing to anyone who's a Shredder fan.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

We followed his tale as well though and it was more dominant then some of the other characters.

I think the film is almost perfect so I'm on the complete opposite side of the spectrum.

Exactly. Danny got the only definitive character arc. The narrative places more emphasis on him than: Donny, Mikey, and even Leo. At least you can admit this. People throwing shade at the new film really need to take a hard look at the 1990 film.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Yes, I didn't mind it. I stand by it not being necessary. You should be able to relate to the turtles on some levels. That's a bit of their charm. I'm playing devil's advocate in defense of this new film against the asinine critcisms. I didn't mind Danny, but sometimes I felt there was a little too much focus on him as a subplot.

I didn't like Danny. I thought he was a whiny brat. I love when Shredder confronts him. Well worth it.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I didn't like Danny. I thought he was a whiny brat. I love when Shredder confronts him. Well worth it.

I don't like Danny the character himself. He's a punk b1tch, relentlessly selfish. But I didn't mind his worth from a thematic perspective emphasizing the meaning of family. Like I said, he got way too much focus however, and truly wasn't necessary. The turtles humanized characteristics are relatable.

[MastahShredder]

Btw, the second sequence in that clip is my favorite movie moment ever. I get the chills.

Didn't go the first time and the Foot failed. Shredder sounds like such a badass giving orders and declaring he'll be going himself to oversee it. I love that line.

There will be no mistake this time. I go myself. And the rat, kill it.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Oh brother.

The fact of the matter is the Saki persona still had a presence within the 2k3 show, from Ch'rell to the Tengu Shredder. If we saw straight from the beginning of the show in the first episode Shredder was an Utrom, and without no mention of Saki, then yes, I would be against it. But since we saw him as "Saki" the majority of the time, him being an Utrom is a minor complaint I have with that version.

From what we have gathered about this film, Saki is appearing no where, and to start a new TMNT film without him with someone else behind the mask, who isn't even an established TMNT character, is dumb. Not to mention disappointing to anyone who's a Shredder fan.

This is an exercise in mental gymnastics.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

Btw, the second sequence in that clip is my favorite movie moment ever. I get the chills.

Didn't go the first time and the Foot failed. Shredder sounds like such a badass giving orders and going himself. I love that line.

So your technic of defending the new movie is by discrediting the old one? Interesting...

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

This is an exercise in mental gymnastics.

Whatever. I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this issue.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

I appreciate his words and I believe that he's genuinely enthusiastic but it doesn't make me any less skeptic. Its a little hard to take his word about expecting this to please the die hard fans when based on his previous interview he's only familiar with the old toon and maybe the movies.

I find that with movies like this its better to believe it when you see it. It may be a cynical stance to take but I've read enough. Interviews and fluff pieces to know folks in the movie business aren't above stretching the truth or even outright lying to build buzz for their movies.I ve also learned to read between the lines. In the interview evan daughtry talks about having all the toys and watching the cartoon and nothing else so when he talks about being faithful to the mythology I'm inclined to wonder if its only as it was presented in that show. Its hard to trust someones idea of what will be pleasing to a fanbase when they themselves only seem knowlegable about one interpratation of it.

I understand.. I mean I don't take it as bulletproof evidence either but like you said its nice to here him come out again and explain things. As for Evan.. I like what he said as well.. yea we can assume that he hasn't read the comics but who knows.. I agree with you though. This is why I feel better knowing that they brought in Eastman in the very beginning of development to get the full scoop on the mythology and back story. They had him do concept sketches also. So if this is completely off base from the source material and has absolutely no relevance to it there is no excuse. If they fail to make this an authentic turtles movie there is no excuse for it. In August we will all know if it is or isn't.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

So your technic of defending the new movie is by discrediting the old one? Interesting...

Well when people hold the same stupid critiques to the new film which hasn't even be released yet to the original let everything slide? It shows tremendous amounts of hypocrisy and bias now doesn't it ...

In Mirage the Foot weren't run of the mill kids rebelling against their middle income daddies.

Do people get all bent out of shape about that change as well?

What about Don not being a techno wiz, and dork. Instead reduced to Mikey's clone.

How about Leo being a shitastic leader. Not even really going out searching for Splinter, but relying on April's investigative reporting alone ...

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Why does that matter? He wasn't Saki. At that point it's just service? It wasn't his name. He wasn't even human. He wasn't Japanese. How can you defend one change then condemn another? You don't see the hypocrisy in your stance on this ... the change is the EXACT SAME THING.

the point I think hes trying to make is that chrell might not have actually been the "real" oroku saki but he presented himself as a Japanese man and adopted all the customs and ideology that went along with that thus providing the cultural connection back to japan that the turtles origin and rivalry with the foot clan hinges on. from what we've seen of eric sachs so far he appears to be just a white dude with no ties to japan beyond that one mural which as of now we have no idea the meaning of. I completely hate the chrell plot twist for a whole lot of reasons but at least he identified his human persona as being Japanese

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

the point I think hes trying to make is that chrell might not have actually been the "real" oroku saki but he presented himself as a Japanese man and adopted all the customs and ideology that went along with that thus providing the cultural connection back to japan

But the inclusion of Karai for the 1st time in live action, the Shredder samurai armor, ancient Japanese scrolls isn't doing that as well?

EFF outta here. You guys play mental gynamistics to defend one vision, and then overly critique another.

Hell, Peter Laird the hack had no problem deviating for the source material. But because an alias of Saki was used it makes the change less disrespectful? Because he used a fake Japanese identity?

Um, ok. That makes a WHOLE lot of sense.

Oh, and I understood the point he was making. I appreciate the thought process but it's the same DAMN thing.